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  • Posted By: benluclar @ 08/12/2008 9:26:35 AM

    And then, there are the people I observe whose children are all in foster care, who procreate with no intention or thought at all.
    If any sane person could observe first-hand the pathetic children's services procedures in this day and age, they would be aghast at how many innocent children are swept from safe and loving foster and hopeful adoptive homes with loving parents and are returned back home to biological druggie mommy and jailbird daddy to be once again beaten, cigarette-burned and traumatized repeatedly over many years.
    I am speaking from experience, not dramatizing. It is truly pathetic and unbelievable.

  • Posted By: benluclar @ 08/12/2008 9:16:52 AM

    As a mother of two, now grown, I see some truths in this article; however, there is a sad realization I have found in my now empty-nest years. I miss being needed by an innocence which needed me. I miss revisiting a pristine world that is observed through the pure heart of my children. I was so busy then that I did not realize how sinister and disillusioning the true world could be ... until now. So, I guess my children, in a way, protected me from that, now to only create an awareness of the real world stripped bare.
    Grandchildren are the lights of my life, who renew me from reality for short periods and remind me that the world is only as bad -- or good -- as the observer and his perspective.
    That is what children are about. When you are young and bringing them up, and for your older years when reality around you becomes surreal.

  • Posted By: KerryS @ 07/21/2008 12:44:05 PM

    The article doesn't really consider the long-term joys of children and grandchildren, just the immediate sacrifice. As such, it is a worthless inquiry. The author might just as well have asked, "Is it fun to save for retirement?" Well . . . no, it isn't. But that doesn't mean it isn't worthwhile in the long run. You could easily interview people who will tell you how unpleasant it is to sacrifice now to save for retirement later. You could point out all of the things people could buy now, instead of saving for retirement. What a waste of paper that would be.

    I am very sorry for couples who have the health and ability to support a family, yet deliberately choose not to have children so that they can enjoy their own selfish pursuits. They don't realize that they are giving up one of the only true joys in life now, and relinquishing all family enjoyment in their old age. They will never know the happiness of seeing a child take his first step , the proud moment of seeing a daughter graduate from college, the joy of a sloppy kiss from a grandchild, or the satisfaction of leaving a legacy through your posterity. Who will visit them in the nursing home? Who will morn when they are gone? They may be having fun now, but their future is bleak and lonely.

    • Posted By: Manee1 @ 07/25/2008 2:21:50 PM

      It's interesting how you know for a fact that childfree couples will be "bleak and lonely" in their old age. None of us know the future - you just might be bleak and lonely too. Your children could die, or not care to visit you in that old folk's home. Who knows? It's ridiculous to speculate on one's own future, much less the future of people you don't know at all. At the very least, we both know we're doing in life what we want to make us happy - you having kids, and me not having them. I'm comfortable enough in my choices that I don't have to put down others - you should examine what it is YOU'RE not comfortable with in your life that makes you have to make being without kids seem unattractive. It's absolutely wonderful to me! Different strokes, different folks.

      • Posted By: LanaLana @ 08/02/2008 4:31:42 PM

        I agree Manee1. It all comes down to what make you happy. If having kids makes you happy then go have them. Why hate on people that don't have kids. Why push your beliefs of having kids on other people who choose not to. If you have kids enjoy the experience, but don't expect that they're going to return the favor. If you're blessed then they will love and take care of you, but what if things don't turn out that way? People can be childless and still be selfless. They can help others too. Look at the nuns and priests without children.

  • Posted By: cunardqueen @ 07/03/2008 9:50:25 AM

    "As for everyone minding their own business, that's nonsense. Our decisions to have or not have children are directly impacting everyone's future. Unless you do not care about the future, it is very much everyone's business, at least enough so that an opinion should be voiced."

    I've got news for you.... child-free people have been around for a long time, and have not affected or impaired the continuation of the species. There will always be people having children, so don't worry about the human race if a few of us choose not to have children. Besides, I married a man with 4 kids, so I have a close enough experience to parenting.

    Nor is there an over-population problem, as the other extreme keeps talking about. This country couldn't even get enough people to do Hands Across America because of all the unpopulated areas in the midwest.

    As I said, live your lives minding your own business and don't worry about what some stranger on a message board thinks of your decisions. Your choices are not for everyone.

    • Posted By: Guru1976 @ 07/03/2008 10:09:13 AM

      "child-free people have been around for a long time, and have not affected or impaired the continuation of the species. There will always be people having children, so don't worry about the human race if a few of us choose not to have children."

      I'm sure that pandas used that same logic... You're dense.

      • Posted By: Tacocat27 @ 07/03/2008 10:36:17 AM

        Pay no mind, Guru is the dense one. In fact after reading his/her posts I greatly fear for the future because of the children they have produced. It scares the hell out of me to see such ignorant close-minded parents on here, because you know they teach their kids the same ideals. I fail to see how it is any of their business if I am content with my boyfriend and our three dogs. Heck we don't even plan to get married, just live together for the rest of our lives (another debate entirely I'm sure) What impact in any way does that have on you Guru? Why if you disagree with our reasoning would you ever want us to have kids and pass on such "undesirable" traits? If you are so convinced that our lives are meaningless (an absurd assumption to make considering you don't know a single on of us "childless" folk personally) then can't you just be content to "feel sorry for us?" Save your illogical preaching for people who actually need it. We're not doing anything wrong, and to call us selfish without knowing us and how we leave our lives is just downright mean. I hope to all hope you don't teach your children to be so judgemental, and if you do, well then I'm sorry to tell you this, but YOU are screwing with the future. My genes, my business, perhaps your time would be better spent reevaluating your own life instead of attacking those who's beliefs differ from your own.

        • Posted By: Guru1976 @ 07/03/2008 11:18:23 AM

          Silly me... We should all just become extinct. Is that what you think is best Taco? You're completely clueless in your selfish little world. I think you should have children so that you will become smarter. The world is screwed up because there is so many dumb people such as yourself. No, I don't want you to cut off your lineage in order to prevent your offspring from continuing your stupidity. I want you to have kids and to become an adult like so many others. Then, once you have matured, you can teach your children good things and the world will become a better place. If you did have kids and you insisted on passing on this stupidity that you're now spewing, the rest of us could still be content with a few more people to serve us. XD Either way, at least you're contributing to humanity, and even you can learn something from the experience. Perhaps you would become a better person, despite your displayed efforts of fighting against it.

          • Posted By: Tacocat27 @ 07/03/2008 11:53:48 AM

            my stupidity? So my simple decision not to have children is the base of my own stupidity? You don't know me! You don't know my intelligence level! How dare you make such assumptions. I highly doubt me not having children is going to have any affect on the developement of my intellect. You pulling the population card is getting really old as well, have you been completely blind to the population trends of the last decade? We're growing by huge numbers and I highly doubt the maybe 5% of the population who choose not to have children is going to affect that in any way what-so-ever. Parents like you will take care of that will your illogical thought that everybody on this earth must produce children. Heres a solution, why don't you go ahead and pop out a couple more for me and we'll call it even. I never called you stupid, simply illogical in your line of thinking, so please give me the same credibility. I don't think you are stupid for wanting to have children, its your choice, plain and simple and I respect that, so why can't you respect me for the same instead of spouting off nasty comments? You cannot factually state that having children is a direct corellation to one's level of intelligence. I've seen plenty of parents out there who's intelligence level is questionable, the same can be said of those without kids. If anything, me being childless will afford me more time to go back to school and pursue other intellectual endevours. I'm not saying there won't be some life lessons I'll miss out on that require having children to obtain, but the same can be said for you. I just don't understand why you have to be so nasty, it really discredits your views.

            • Posted By: Guru1976 @ 07/03/2008 1:05:56 PM

              Knowledge is power, and you're refusing to learn. That makes you stupid, in my book. That's aside from the fact that you're cheating the community out of your contribution. The fact that you want someone else to make up for your laziness is even more offensive than what I have said to you. I am reprimanding you for being ignorant. You have the opportunity to learn, but you are too lazy to put forth the effort, even though your effort would benefit many people.

              • Posted By: Mrs. Danvers @ 07/03/2008 5:06:05 PM

                The fact that you are berating someone on a message board for their choice in life shows your vapid ignorance. Your posts scream of "my misery would certainly love some company". It must s**k to be you.

                • Posted By: Guru1976 @ 07/31/2008 4:22:38 PM

                  "The fact that you are berating someone on a message board for their choice in life shows your vapid ignorance." Even after that thought, you weren't smart enough to realize you just labeled yourself by posting. LOL Next!

              • Posted By: lostlo @ 07/07/2008 8:57:01 PM

                How in the world do you think that having children is the only way to contribute to society? Having children isn't contributing to society at all... RAISING children very, very well does make a contribution. But no, society does not need for everyone to have children. That would actually be a disaster, our population is already growing and the global food supply is probably maxed out.

                My favorite part is "your effort would benefit many people." Most parents have children to benefit themselves. Unless by "many people" you mean a few people in your own family.

          • Posted By: kikicandor @ 07/05/2008 7:59:25 PM

            Although I don???t particularly want to take on this topic, I find Guru irking me. If, kitten, your intellect is so vastly higher than us poor childless folk, please explain why you couldn???t catch your own grammatical error in saying ???the world is screwed up because there is so many dumb people such as yourself???. If you cannot keep your vile bigotry from passing to your children, please at least teach them proper English.

            • Posted By: ZenGarden @ 07/09/2008 12:00:28 AM

              Don't feed the troll (a.k.a. Guru1976)

              • Posted By: Guru1976 @ 07/31/2008 3:56:53 PM

                It's not just childless people that have a lower IQ, "kitten", it's the vast majority with few exceptions. ;)

  • Posted By: alvaedison @ 07/03/2008 11:28:02 AM

    hear hear user432. cause clearly you "guru" are teaching your own kids good things like telling people they should have been left in a dumpster. did you ever stop and think that maybe the world is such a bad place because of people like you? that maybe you don't know everything and shouldn't be preaching to others? "the rest of us can be content with a few more people to serve us" you are twisted and sick. no wonder you hold these opinions.. you clearly think extremely highly of yourself. I hope your kids hate you.

    • Posted By: Guru1976 @ 07/31/2008 4:17:12 PM

      lol It's funny that you were offended about me talking about someone needing to be left in a dumpster, but it didn't bother you that the guy I was talking to was referring to all children as "baggage" and "property". It's too bad that you've chosen the wrong side. You'll never win this argument against me. As for people serving us, we need trash men, bus drivers, and other public servants , don't we?

  • Posted By: SEAS004 @ 07/03/2008 5:05:11 PM

    I agree with those who think that Guru's comments are skewed.

    • Posted By: erinlovestoread @ 07/04/2008 12:34:30 PM

      I think just about everyone on here agrees. Guru, seriously, esp considering the comments you made about your mother, just CONSIDER seeking some counseling. You never know what you might learn and that is something you keep saying to others. Everyone else, I would encourage you to stop responding to Guru and stop talking about him/her. They are just like the playground bully and only have the power that we give them.

      • Posted By: Guru1976 @ 07/31/2008 4:12:28 PM

        I didn't make any bad comments about my mother. You're an idiot. You can't win a debate against me head on, so you make up lies to try to somehow discredit me? I guess that's one method... Who needs ethics or morals anyway, right?

  • Posted By: cunardqueen @ 07/03/2008 8:15:52 PM

    "I'm sure that pandas used that same logic... You're dense."

    I think the assumption that pandas are capable of logic and made conscious decisions not to have children marks a more dense mind than mine. When did pandas start using birth control? In fact, is the extinction of any prior species linked to birth control or even lack of sex?

    If having kids will bring me to your level of intelligence, I'll pass.

    And I also find the concept that you can't be smart unless you have kids as highly offensive to infertile couples.

    • Posted By: Guru1976 @ 07/31/2008 4:07:16 PM

      Yep, you're a genius.... NOT... I guess you totally missed the true point in the statement. You had no clue that I was saying that pandas were not using any logic by not having offspring, much the same as those people that choose not to have children are also not using any logic... I know... It was mean... You just proved my point, regardless... You are one of those that aren't on my level.

  • Posted By: Minervah @ 07/04/2008 6:06:49 PM

    Sorry, my last post was a reply to Guru. It didn't get attached to my original post where I mentioned many well-known selfless childfree people such as Mother Theresa and Ophra Winfrey who were/are childfree by choice but devoted their lives to helping people. Guru responded they were selfish and lazy because they were childfree.

    • Posted By: Guru1976 @ 07/31/2008 3:59:20 PM

      They were... Do you know them personally to say differently? Putting on a front for the public does not portray your true personality...

  • Posted By: happygirl100 @ 07/21/2008 5:35:54 PM

    Who knows any person or kid who visits people in a nursing home, really? Most adults are too busy running around and working to make ends meet and their children have no interest whatsoever in going for a visit to an old age home. Take a look at the book "Dumbest Generation: How the Digital Age Stupefies Young Americans and Jeopardizes Our Future (Or, Don't Trust Anyone Under 30 - the under 30's are the dumbest people alive." These are your children - the children that watch tv and play video games endlessly because the parents are too tired or busy working. This article on whether people are happier with kids (answer: false) is the first truthful take out there....you know what they say - the truth hurts.

  • Posted By: Abeccareb @ 07/21/2008 2:59:50 PM

    @KerryS
    The way you describe those who don't have children by choice is wrong...With the state that our planet is in due to over population, I believe that limiting the amount of children born each year would help things out a bit...not that there should be any laws about how many children to have or anything BUT if you insist on calling those who choose not to have children selfish, consider those who choose to have children simply to have comfort in their old age so they won???t be lonely, etc. To me, that is true selfishness.

  • Posted By: amaryllism @ 07/09/2008 12:34:02 PM

    i don't think we should be focusing on whether a child makes you 7% less happy. (what exactly would 7% less happiness feel like, anyway? would i notice the difference between 5% and 7%, or 7% and 10%?) what i would like to see is a world in which i am not regarded as a child-hating, non-woman freak/serial killer because i choose to be childless (or childfree). in order to avoid contempt, and once even violence, from coworkers and acquaintances, i have to tell people that i am infertile. admitting to being willfully without child is an invitation to abuse in this country. just for the record: i love children. i ask to babysit my neices and nephews, i smile and wave to stranger's babies, and coo over baby pictures just like everyone else. i do not have a selfish need to "keep my figure", i am not "afraid of the pain", and my husband is not an abuser. these are just a small sample of the responses i get from people, but god forbid i ask someone why they would actually want 6 children, or children spaced a year apart, etc. there's a lid for every pot, as they say, so let's just assume that people have good reasons for the decisions they make and leave it at that.

    • Posted By: Contentisima @ 07/11/2008 11:49:48 AM

      High-five, Amaryllism! You may borrow my standard response to those who are ill-mannered enough to press as to why I never elected to have children: I believe kids aren't something you *have;* I believe that a parent is something you *become.* It's a profoundly important job, one which you should at least *want* to do. Just like I never wanted to become a taxidermist, or an accountant, or nuclear engineer, I never wanted to become parent. Truly knowing this about myself and accepting it has led me to make the best choices for my life. I am very satisfied, very fulfilled, very happy.

  • Posted By: DrAlanSinger @ 07/10/2008 9:41:54 PM

    If the foundation of our society has become, ???Am I happy enough???? then it is correct to assume that children will play a smaller role in our lives. In 30 years as a Family Therapist, I have never encouraged couples to have a child and I am a very happy father of four children.
    ???To carry on the family name??? or ???because most couples you see have kids??? are among the lousiest reasons to have children. The desire to start a family must come from a deep longing that will withstand emotional stress, financial strain, and yes???even logic. Children bring a much deeper sense of fulfillment than one???s own personal level of happiness.

    Dr. Alan M. Singer
    www.FamilyThinking.com

  • Posted By: zpegan @ 07/08/2008 10:54:46 PM

    The term "childless" implies something of value is missing. This is conclusory. The more appropriate term is "child-free."

    • Posted By: cunardqueen @ 07/09/2008 12:02:32 AM

      I would disagree.... think of the terms seedless, sugarless, seamless, wireless, strapless, spotless, odorless, and most importantly, painless. These are all things that you WANT to be -less, right?

      • Posted By: ZenGarden @ 07/09/2008 2:31:32 PM

        The idea of using "childfree" rather than "childless" is the negative cultural connotation the latter evokes. zpegan is right. The examples you cite have nowhere near the same kind of semantic baggage as "childless." I do like your conclusion though!

  • Posted By: Mirillia @ 07/02/2008 3:45:09 PM

    Parenting is not easy by any means, but it is very beautiful. The many sacrifices parents make deserve our appreciation. Certainly, our current social conditions raise additional challenges for parents. It is difficult to balance careers with family time. However, parents devoting themselves selflessly to their families even in the most difficult times is extremely rewarding and beautiful.

    • Posted By: ZenGarden @ 07/09/2008 12:42:57 AM

      "Sacrifices"? Parents, for the most part, CHOOSE to have children, so all they do for them is nothing more than their obligation. Stop portraying parents as selfless martyrs...

  • Posted By: bpdawson @ 07/02/2008 4:27:42 PM

    this article is ridiculous. it completely misses the point that having kids is not about making YOURSELF happy. it's about putting OTHER PEOPLE'S needs before your own. it's about sacrifice and yeah you're going to be tired and you won't get to what YOU want to do most of the time. the message of this article is basically: oh no, people actually have to make sacrifices when they have kids?!?! that doesn't sound very fun! i wanted my whole entire life to be about me me ME. i want to make ME happy! ME ME ME ME ME ME ME!"

    • Posted By: ZenGarden @ 07/09/2008 12:37:07 AM

      You seem hysterical: seek help, fast.

  • Posted By: mariez @ 07/02/2008 4:58:15 PM

    I am a 47 year old mother of 3 kids, ages 9, 11 and 13. They are by far the greatest stressor in my life with rewards being far and few between. For those brave enough to not have kids, the term "childfree" is a much better description than "childless". Kudos.

    • Posted By: ZenGarden @ 07/09/2008 12:35:07 AM

      Finally: an honest parent! Kudos right back!

  • Posted By: busytimes @ 07/02/2008 5:51:21 PM

    So sorry to read this article. Once again, it confirms the "it's all about me" mentality in our culture. Children are a lot of work, stress and sometimes just a royal pain in the neck. Yes, I do have a couple teenagers right now, and am pregnant with #6. My scope is much bigger then the here and now though. These people who are happily married and want none to do with those nasty, dirty little kids..I have a question for you. What will you do when you are aged and your spouse dies? Your parents are gone, and if you had any siblings, they could be gone too? What then? I have observed and seen both ways. I knew an elderly couple who were childless and so in love. They were high school sweethearts in the 30's and married. Had a wonderful marriage, one of the best I've ever seen. But when the wife died, leaving the husband old and alone it was terrible. He had NO ONE. They happened to be our neighbor while I was growing up and my mother (a mother of 5 by the way) took him under her wing, fed him dinner every night and helped care for him while he was sick. While this was very nice of her, we still were not family and I'm sad to say it was not the same for him as family would have been. It was really sad to see how lonely he was. On the other hand, my mother and my husband's g-ma both came from large families. What a difference. There's always family around. My husband's g-ma is 88 years old. Her husband died at 51. She still has siblings and the love of her three children and all of us grandkids. At 88 she still has a rich and full, and joyful life. You see, it's NOT all about the here and now, and it's not even all about "ME". We're all here for each other. When our focus becomes so self centered, yes, you can have happiness, but how lasting in the wake of changing circumstances? I look at all the work I put into my children as an investment for the future. They will have each other when we are dead and gone. (My husband absolutely LOVE our siblings and are so thankful to have them, how RICH we are!!!) I KNOW our parents are thankful to have us children, since one has parkinson's and another has had many struggles with brain tumors. What would our parents do at this point without us?? WE are returning the investment they put into us when we were young. LIFE is important and each person is special. When we reject the gift of children because they are "expensive" or because they are an "inconvenience". How sad. Children are a gift from God. We need to wake up and acknowledge that fact, and quit focusing so much on what WE think will make us happy.

    • Posted By: cassidy_gd @ 07/02/2008 6:58:54 PM

      I guess my question for you would be.....who freakin' cares!? I'm 34 and living my life in the "here and now", as you say. I'm not worried about what's going to happen when I'm 75 or 80 years old. I want to enjoy my life to the fullest and this is the way I choose to do it (and that's "not to have kids"). My wife and I are perfectly content being...gulp....CHILDLESS. There I said it, so what. Just because we don't choose to live our lives that way you do doesn't make us wrong, just different, but of course that's what it is right? We're enjoyed our 20's and now we're enjoying our 30's and we'll certainly enjoy our 40's, 50's and 60's and all without kids and that's just wrong isn't it? We should just conform and be like everyone else....wrong! We're living our lives the way WE want to live them, not according to the way others think we should be living them. Here's something for you....some day we'll all be dead...you, me, my wife, your husband, even your dear children. It's a fact of life that's as much a part of life as anything else. The key is, what you do between now and then is up to you and how you choose to enjoy your life is up to you and how we choose to enjoy our lives is up to us. My wife and I prefer to keep our life simple and uncluttered which means no kids. This is our choice and not yours...so what. Enjoy your life and love your kids. We'll enjoy our lives and we'll enjoy all the things that not having kids affords us the opportunity to do. That's the way we like it and we don't care what anyone else thinks. I think that's the most beautiful thing about being child free.....we don't care what you think! You can say anything you want about having kids, but it will never sway our feelings about beind child-free. It's a beautiful thing being free and clear to do what we want, when we want, at our own pace and to our own liking without the baggage.

      • Posted By: Happy Mom @ 07/02/2008 7:17:06 PM

        Are you sure you don't care what people say? Then why bother to reply to this post? Let me say, I don't care whether people want kids or not. That's your choice and some people shouldn't have them. Also, I certainly don't expect my children to be my caretakers in old age. But, I do feel bad for you and other childless people that you will miss the profound love and joy having a child brings. Say what you want, you can't say you know what it feels like to have a child. I assure you, it is unlike any other love you will ever feel, even for your spouse, because it is unconditional.. Vacations, careers, material things don't even begin to compare. I would die for my children. Enjoy your simple life- you will never know what you are missing.

        • Posted By: ZenGarden @ 07/09/2008 12:30:18 AM

          Neither will you know the ecstasies of the childfree lifestyle, so quite your sanctimonious drivel.

        • Posted By: cassidy_gd @ 07/02/2008 7:32:16 PM

          I know what I'm not missing and that's the main thing!

          • Posted By: Happy Mom @ 07/02/2008 7:35:27 PM

            Actually, you don't- that was my point. You don't know what it's like to have a child until you have one. Since you don't have one, you don't know. Other people's kids are no indicator of how you will feel about your own. I know plenty of people who don't really care for other people's kids, but are passionate about their own.

            • Posted By: cassidy_gd @ 07/02/2008 7:41:10 PM

              Well, I suppose if you want to sit here and beat a dead horse, I could you say that you don't know what you're missing either right? I mean I could say that you don't know what it's like to be <whatever age you are> and be child-free. It's as valid a question as your question to me. I mean you can say, "well there was a time in my life that I didn't have kids", but I'd reply with that was then and this is now. It's all fruitless anyway. You're choosing to live your life the way you want to live and all while trying to convince everyone how great it is to have kids and I'm living my life the way I want trying to defend my position as a child-free individual. That's the way it'll always be; kid-factories on the offensive and child-free people on the defensive. Seriously, no need to reply, go enjoy time with your kids and I'll go enjoy doing what ever the hell I want to do because that's what being CF is all about.

              • Posted By: Guru1976 @ 07/03/2008 9:59:34 AM

                You are a complete retard. I wish someone would have tossed you in a dumpster, as so much baggage and clutter. People like you are what makes this world a bad place to live in. You have so much further to grow to even become humane. Perhaps it is best in your case for natural selection to pass you by. You obviously don't have what it takes.

                • Posted By: alvaedison @ 07/03/2008 11:20:05 AM

                  wow actually "guru" you are the selfish stupid one and You are the one who is inhumane and one of the things that makes the world a bad place. it's clear you think you're superior to everyone. I hope your children grow up and leave your selfish ass alone. Did you ever stop and think that maybe they, like many people who are posting here, probably can't stand you? your high handed preachy attitude sickens me. You obviously have no idea what life is about to criticize others, you merely feel the need to put people down to validate your own choice. it's completely obvious. Don't blame other people for your insecurities.

                  • Posted By: Guru1976 @ 07/03/2008 2:58:51 PM

                    lmao If you're going to insult me, at least stay on topic. XD Perhaps you can't comprehend what we are talking about, so you are offended and feel the need to attack me? No one could tell otherwise by reading your post.

                    That idiot referred to children as baggage and clutter. Go ahead and pick a fight with me to take his side, and I'll line you up with him and virtually rip you both to shreds.

        • Posted By: childfreeandlovingit @ 07/02/2008 8:29:54 PM

          My dogs bring me tremendous joy, and I love them to death. I don't need a child to do that for me, especially when my dogs won't ever curse at me and tell me how much they 'hate' me...haha. My husband and I love each other 'unconditionally', so I disagree that I need a child to provide that. Plus, I know plenty of people who hate their parents/children, so your argument is flawed.

          • Posted By: Guru1976 @ 07/03/2008 10:01:47 AM

            Your dogs will not ever tell you they love you, either. Dogs don't talk, stupid. Perhaps when your husband dies, you will realize what a foolish mistake you have made.

      • Posted By: hoylehoppy8 @ 07/02/2008 11:10:48 PM

        "baggage" and "clutter" are inhumane ways to refer to children!

    • Posted By: npowell28 @ 07/03/2008 4:05:23 AM

      Have kids so "someone will be there to wipe you butt when you are old"? Wow. That is quite possible the worst argument for having crumb snatchers that I have ever heard. Man, oh, man is this country in trouble. Will you be getting signed statements from the children stating that they intend to take care of "dear ol mom" so that you don't end up abandoned at Shady Pines, like most are???

    • Posted By: Minervah @ 07/02/2008 9:46:27 PM

      busytimes you are a lucky person. But after having been a volunteer in various nursing homes and seeing the situation in my own mother's assisted care home, I can tell you that these old people were abandoned by their adult children more often than not. Having kids as insurance that someone will take care of you in your old age is a mistake.

  • Posted By: arniet @ 07/02/2008 5:53:10 PM

    I think that there is pressure b/c misery loves company. Why should anyone be: free, rich, happy, well rested? I'm not! It's not as if they can recant, the parents. They are in it for the long haul, whether ofr not the marriage survives. Even divorced parents are linked by that indissoluble bond custody and child support. I say, parents, you made your bed, so sleep in it. And quit your whining.

    • Posted By: ZenGarden @ 07/09/2008 12:27:47 AM

      The deafening sound you now hear is my rapturous applause--your comment captures my thoughts precisely!

  • Posted By: crytothemoon @ 07/02/2008 8:00:07 PM

    I think it's not all black and white. Sure, kids can make life hectic and expensive, but there are so many moments that are experienced in raising children that the childless will never have. In my opinion, it's worth it to skate over the hardsihps. No one ever said child raising is easy. That doesn't make it a bad thing as a whole. Plus, having kids in your life makes life a little more exciting. You never know what they're going to bring into your life.

    • Posted By: ZenGarden @ 07/09/2008 12:23:37 AM

      What a heaping pile of garbage! Maybe having kinds makes YOUR life more exciting, but for those of us who already get our kicks from hiking Mayan ruins, sleeping in the Saharan desert or tasting Tuscan grapes off the vines the thought of kids is nothing less than wretched.

  • Posted By: showmecouple @ 07/02/2008 10:52:46 PM

    Some people are so self centered..they miss the point. Raising children is the future....The only future. It is the only job that is really important.... I have a very succesful business life, participate in the community, help where I can, but the greatest accomplishment in my life is the raising on my children. They are the future, and that is what matters most.

    • Posted By: ZenGarden @ 07/09/2008 12:13:30 AM

      If the greatest accomplishment in your life is pumping out a meatloaf of DNA that resembles yours...then I do feel sorry for you.

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