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  • Posted By: cardar33 @ 07/02/2008 10:02:00 PM

    Near the end of the article Lorraine Ali mentions the unquantifiables such as love for her son that was deeper than she thought possible. There are others too. After a rather frustrating day with my 18 month old son, we went to the supermarket. As he sat in the cart he smiled and waved at people: the teenage kid stacking cans, the elderly lady in a motorized scooter, a stressed woman behind me in line. And with each one of these people a dour face was completely transformed. It was like sunshine had reached these tired souls and for a moment they forgot their troubles and basked in the admiration of this toddler. And instead of grumpiness and grouchiness there were smiles all around. And it made me happy too.

  • Posted By: NickiDrea @ 06/30/2008 9:25:19 AM

    Wow. Who did these researchers talk to? My mom has three daughter- I am the youngest and I just turned 26, my middle sister is turning 36 this year, and my oldest sister is 39. My two sisters are the product of my mom's first marriage and they were adopted by my father, but I am my father's only biological child.

    My mother, who is a Vice President at a large PBM (Pharmaceutical Benefit Manager) says that her children have been the joy of her life. Although we all took different paths in life- my oldest sister is a housewife with four kids; my middle sister is a working single mom (by choice), and I am a lawyer getting married next year- my mom says that she loves us equally and cannot imagine never having children. She is very proud of all of us and she says that we make her extremely happy.

    As far as my dad, he says that I am the "love of his life" and he puts me on the highest pedestal. My dad was ecstatic at being a dad- my mom says that he cried hysterically when I was born, and since Day One he has be happy to put me first in his life. He is EXTREMELY proud of me, brags about me all the time, and wants me to be happy all the time. He can't stand to see me upset and will do whatever he can to make me smile. I honestly believe that I am his favorite person in the world (he is certainly one of mine). If my dad saw this article he would think it was ridiculous. He wanted more kids after me, the only reason my parents didn't have more kids was that my mom already had two from a prior marriage and didn't want to have any more.

    Of course, I don't have kids yet, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about... however, for now, I want at least three kids... and I will have them starting in 2010, since I'm getting married in 2009.

    • Posted By: mrose6463@yahoo.com @ 06/30/2008 3:15:48 PM

      "As far as my dad, he says that I am the "love of his life"... since Day One he has be (sic) happy to put me first in his life... I honestly believe that I am his favorite person in his life."

      How sad for your mom.

      • Posted By: templedog @ 07/02/2008 9:55:23 PM

        REALLY! That's what I was thinking. Must be nice. Some people aren't really allowed to have a realtionship with their fathers because the mom unit is too insecure- so I wouldn't have a clue of what she was talking about. But again, must be nice.

    • Posted By: mark_moderatto @ 06/30/2008 3:04:40 PM

      planning is good...im not of the idea that there is no future...

    • Posted By: mark_moderatto @ 06/30/2008 2:59:44 PM

      that's good...planning is good...im not of the idea that there is no future...

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  • Posted By: Wired @ 07/02/2008 9:47:06 PM

    I propose a moratorium on the "production" of any new childlings.

    Sadly there are to many people having children when they cant even take care of themselves. Learn to drive,gather a career,teach YOURSELF to look both ways before crossing the street, learn what "WTF and LOL" mean and then have kids.

  • Posted By: jp_negri @ 06/30/2008 12:03:37 PM

    Good God! What a lot of venom you people direct toward childless couples. We're self-absorbed, selfish, scared of commitment, social security parasites, dooming the human race to destruction through not reproducing, pretentious, and the worst of all ... LIBERAL !!!! Ooooo!
    My wife & I tried for several years to have a kid or adopt one. After miscarriages, thousands spent on fertilization failures, and two very painful failed adoption experiences we finally said 'Screw it ! There's gotta be a way to find happiness & fulfillment in our lives besides creating or acquiring a child." We made that decision several years ago & have no regrets.
    Self-absorbed? We've gone through a particular kind of pain & loss that fertile people can't relate to & have no right to judge.
    Selfish? Our childless freedom has given us the opportunity to move across country to assist in caretaking for a terminally ill family member.
    Social security parasites? Aha! You the reason YOU had kids is so you can mooch off THEM when you're old. Who's the parasite NOW?
    Destroying the human race? Our non-contribution of 2.3 kids will be MORE than offset by all those Quiverfull families having 10 or 12 kids. As a matter of fact, with global population closing in on 7 billion, I wish MORE people opted for no children.
    Liberal? Why, yes I am. What's THAT got to do with it?
    I've seen plenty of parents with lousy relationships with their kids. I've seen parents' hearts broken through the loss of a child. Not all of you are the Brady Bunch. Children are, more often than not, a wonderful thing to their parents, but children are no guarantee of happiness or fulfillment. The only true way to find happiness & fulfullment is to find it within yourself.

    • Posted By: templedog @ 07/02/2008 9:43:20 PM

      I agree with the others below.
      Very nice, well said.
      :)

    • Posted By: AngieN @ 06/30/2008 2:52:48 PM

      Bravo! Very thoughtful and eloquently put, my husband and I agree with you a 110% .

    • Posted By: love4animals @ 06/30/2008 1:50:08 PM

      AMEN!

    • Posted By: katjones37 @ 06/30/2008 1:00:32 PM

      There's been plenty of vitriol spewed by both sides.

  • Posted By: 30 something childfree woman @ 07/02/2008 9:40:58 PM

    There are tons of issues at play when it comes to parenting. Some of them relate to people's basic personalities. For example, some people love having a full house, with lots of fun, activity and noise. Some people really can't stand to be by themselves and like to have people around constantly. Some people really enjoy solitude, and being around people 24/7 would drive them nuts. i am one of those people. I would be absolutely miserable if I lived in a tumultuous household. I can visit that type of place, and it is fun for a little while. But I physically could not live like that. This is just one of the many reasons I can't have kids, but I'm just putting it out there. I lived by myself for years and loved it. People are always saying the childfree will be miserable and lonely when they are older. This is an assumption based on a specific type of personality. Not everyone's social needs are that great. I would be fine if I lived by myself as an elderly person.

    I wish that people would stop encouraging, harassing and pressuring people to have kids. Deciding to become a parent is a very personal decision, and for some it's a nondecision. It just isn't a strong desire for everyone. Please be aware and more compassionate about this!!! I know so many parents that are miserable, barely keeping their heads above water, and it wasn't the right choice for them. If they had the space to get to know themselves better, and weren't pressured from birth to have kids, they may have made a better choice for themselves and their children.

    The population will not die out if your daughter, sister or friend decides not to have a baby.

  • Posted By: stillme @ 06/30/2008 1:13:03 PM

    I wholeheartedly agree with this article. I have a 2 year old and 4 month old, and I can tell you I am not happy spending my days with them. I am staying at home because daycare costs outweigh my earning potential, and I am depressed, tired, angry and so ready to get out of the house. I have to say my marriage is worse than before kids. My attitude and outlook on life is lower, and I do not like myself after kids. I love my two kids with all of my heart and would never give them up now that I have them, but if I really knew what parenthood was all about (I'm an only child, mind you), I may never have had children--ever.

    • Posted By: Lilu @ 06/30/2008 5:14:29 PM

      I can understand how you may feel the way you do. I was once in your shoess. My children are 20months apart. Although I've always wanted children and I felt completely ready to be a mom I was not ready for the lack of involvement from my now ex husband. It was like being a single parent while still married. When my son was born he was the perfect baby and I trully enjoyed that first year but by the time my daughter was born he was a fussy todler and she was day sleeper who wanted to eat and play all night. I nearly went insane. I finally took charge of my life and decided that just because I have kids doesn't mean I can't have fun. I looked for other moms who were in the same boat. We organized outings with and without the kids. Had dinner at each others homes. Enrolled our children in various classes and sports and chatted while we waited. Hung out and talked about our problems. If I moved I found other moms I could relate to. Now that they are teens I'm married to an awesome man who is as involved in my childrens lives as I am. We are a very happy family but sometimes the green eyed teenage momster rears it's ugly head and I have noticed it's the only time my husband and I argue but we are surviving the teenage years somewhat sand.
      What was all that rambling about?
      No, Kids don't make your life happier but they do have the potential to make it more interesting. GET OUT OF THE HOUSE!!!!! Put your kids in a stroller and go for a walk. Meet other moms. Talk to them. They are everywhere, they are easy to spot. The excersise and sunshine will do you and the kids a lot of good. Don't live in a sunshine friendly state? Meet moms at the mall, the shopping center, church or online. These moms are in the same boat as you.
      The mess will always be there no matter how much you clean. Enjoy your kids while they are still little. Have Fun and Good Luck.!!!

      • Posted By: templedog @ 07/02/2008 9:32:52 PM

        YOU ARE AWESOME!
        See? I really think THIS is what a big part of this article is about- not HATING but going back and forth till we can hash out some answers for everybody.
        Understanding leading to helping and healing and if we are lucky maybe people not fence-fighting like bored puppies because of perceived different lawns!
        AWESOME POST!

    • Posted By: DisciplineIsFreedom @ 06/30/2008 4:06:24 PM

      Kudos to your honesty and good luck getting more support in your life. You are going to have to prioritize getting some time to yourself each week, even if it's only an hour, to connect with your inner joy. Note that I don't suggest finding time to entertain yourself or reward yourself with outer joys. I'm not saying see a grownup movie, have a glass of wine with a friend, or otherwise distract yourself from the present moment. I'm saying spend some time in full contact with how you are feeling in the present moment, with nothing distracting you. For a long time you will just feel the despair you speak of, feeling it more fully, letting it move you to tears. But after the tears you will continue to move deeper, until you finally find the true you, which is always naturally joyful. Once you learn to find that place, you can go back there within yourself whenever you need. Good luck.

      • Posted By: Lilu @ 06/30/2008 5:32:48 PM

        I can understand how you may feel the way you do. I was once in your shoess. My children are 20months apart. Although I've always wanted children and I felt completely ready to be a mom I was not ready for the lack of involvement from my now ex husband. It was like being a single parent while still married. When my son was born he was the perfect baby and I trully enjoyed that first year but by the time my daughter was born he was a fussy todler and she was day sleeper who wanted to eat and play all night. I nearly went insane. I finally took charge of my life and decided that just because I have kids doesn't mean I can't have fun. I looked for other moms who were in the same boat. We organized outings with and without the kids. Had dinner at each others homes. Enrolled our children in various classes and sports and chatted while we waited. Hung out and talked about our problems. If I moved I found other moms I could relate to. Now that they are teens I'm married to an awesome man who is as involved in my childrens lives as I am. We are a very happy family but sometimes the green eyed teenage momster rears it's ugly head and I have noticed it's the only time my husband and I argue but we are surviving the teenage years somewhat sand.
        What was all that rambling about?
        No, Kids don't make your life happier but they do have the potential to make it more interesting. GET OUT OF THE HOUSE!!!!! Put your kids in a stroller and go for a walk. Meet other moms. Talk to them. They are everywhere, they are easy to spot. The excersise and sunshine will do you and the kids a lot of good. Don't live in a sunshine friendly state? Meet moms at the mall, the shopping center, church or online. These moms are in the same boat as you.
        The mess will always be there no matter how much you clean. Enjoy your kids while they are still little. Have Fun and Good Luck.!!!

  • Posted By: dannyjkim @ 07/02/2008 11:37:28 AM

    children are a pain in the butt. But, good children, grow up to take care of their beloved parents who brought them into the world. You might be enjoying your child free life in your 20s through your middle ages. But, Trust me, when you are 70-80 years old with no one to take care of you, you will be depressed as hell as you wither away in a nursery home. I've worked at a nursing home, and it is depressing to see the elderly have no one come visit them or take care of them. When i get a stable job, i'm going to take care of my parents and make sure that their last years are filled with happy memories. That is the least i can do to pay back for their unconditional love :)

    • Posted By: childfreeandlovingit @ 07/02/2008 9:30:08 PM

      FYI, there was a study looking at elderly with grown children and those without, and surprisingly they found that those who've never had any children were actually happier later in life. Go figure...

  • Posted By: rwebb_nvision @ 06/30/2008 1:17:20 PM

    To each his (or her) own. I agree with BDaDDy's comments that there are different types of happiness, some fleeting, some more substantial and lasting. As for me, I get both. Nothing makes me happier than when I'm traveling for work and I get a chance to look at pictures of my 3 kids and think about how fortunate I am that when I get home, all three will join in a resounding chorus of, "Daddy! Daddy! Daddy!". Or, times like just last night when I spent the evening playing on a blanket in our living room (the blanket was our boat and my 3 were characters from the latest Indiana Jones movie - my 2-year-old got to be Indiana).

    I'm pretty "rock-steady" in the emotions department but I've been known to shed a tear or two as well. Like when my daughter, again just yesterday, explained how she came to know God hears her prayers (she's seven). Oh, I can't forget about Saturday when my wife and kids dragged me to a small, local parade. I was blown away to watch my kids who were franticly chasing the candy that was thrown out, turn to share their haul with other kids (some that they didn't even know) that were a little slower in snatching candy for themselves. That's just a small percent of the joys I experienced just this weekend. Can you believe I get to live like that everyday? Sometimes I can't believe it.

    So, for me - you bet! My kids aren't my only source of happiness but they sure are my favorite source. I realize not everyone gets the same joy and happiness from being around those of the perpetual snotty nose (yes, I do have to admit that in spite of being great kids, there does seem to be an inordinate amount of snot sometimes). That's okay - no one says that to be a good person you have to find happiness in your kids. For that matter no one says you have to even like them. It's too bad that there are so many kids whose parents don't find joy in everything they do.

    I'll make a deal with anyone in that category. If you feel like you'd be happier without your kids (and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that), send them my way. I'd be HAPPY to have them!

    richwebb_2@comcast.net

    • Posted By: templedog @ 07/02/2008 9:25:49 PM

      BOY rich, you should be careful with that- send them your way.
      If only every pushy person, and church was able to say the same- it wouldn't be such a scary ordeal.
      But people PUSH for the baby, sadly they don't seem to be there to help after they get "one more non believer converted" or what ever the thought process may be.
      What would you do if a million unwanted kids showed up on your doorstep tonight?

  • Posted By: nistalgia @ 06/30/2008 1:19:44 PM

    If surveys were of an honest degree of fair opinion, this would be acceptable. We all have an opinion, I do not agree with the artical nor care for someone who has thoughts written in press to destoy family. remember they write hamfull things to recieve reaction...

    • Posted By: templedog @ 07/02/2008 9:19:14 PM

      OH PLA LEESE---
      You are NOT going to stop this discuss with THAT wimpy little remark- you're coming from the dark ages with that one.
      NO!
      This is a subject just like any other that has been swept under the rug, many of us girls deal with a bunch of catty, snarky incidents because we CHOOSE to go about our path the way WE SEE FIT.
      This NEEDS to be brought out into the open.
      It also needs to be brought out to do some healing work on those that sit with this guilt they have when they ARE in over their heads- trust me- your thinking is in the cave man era.
      YOU BET this is going to receive attention and it's about TIME!
      We got the the UFO thing, we got thru the Gay Thing, the Race Thing- well HERE'S ANOTHER "THING" we need to get thru.
      Sorry, don't expect everyone to be sheeple.
      And wichart- you also make some very good points-- below me there.
      And actually I DID do the baby borrowers--- I DO seriously think, everyone should do that as a REQUIREMENT BEFORE HAND.
      I also think it's a great idea for teenagers to drop in on their friends that have had to leave school before graduating because of an unplanned teenage pregnancy.
      VERY EYE OPENING!
      And while they are at it, see how long it takes before the "male lion" mentioned in above posts decided to go drop his seeds elsewhere to make more works of art.
      FIRE is a GOOD thing, when it's cooking your food, however if you aren't waiting for an insurance check due to damaged and unlivable housing- how good is an out of control blaze ripping thru your home while you sleep?
      Unplanned pregnancies are rough on EVERYBODY, except in many cases the sperm donors.
      NO IT'S COMING OUT OF THE CLOSET NOW. And I AM GRATEFUL-- if it saves lives, others will be grateful as well.
      Looks like you're going to have to endure some of us that don't want children living RIGHT HERE on PLANET EARTH elbow to elbow with YOU!

    • Posted By: wichart @ 06/30/2008 8:52:13 PM

      This isn't about destroying family. It's simply pointing out that a few studies show that people with children rate themselves less happy than people who have chosen not to have children. It does not apply to each individual person, so if you're happy with a family then go for it. All this article does is help dispel the myth that creating a family will lead to happiness. I've actually known this for years, because I have a friend who thought marriage and kids would make him happy, and he discovered that just the opposite happened. We're not all meant to have kids (especially pedophiles), and we're not all fulfilled in some way by having them. You're committing the cardinal sin of logic by assuming that having a family is a good thing, but really it's neutral at best. Your motivation, expectations, financial means, emotional stability, and several other factors are what determine whether having children is good or bad (or will increase or decrease your happiness). I've known too many couples over the years who had kids as a way to "fix" their marriage, but it really just adds additional strain to an already bad situation, leading to a quick breakup. Perhaps we should just make everyone participate in this new "Baby Borrowers" show before they're allowed to have children. That looks like a good barometer.

    • Posted By: anotherpointofview @ 06/30/2008 4:06:03 PM

      *applaud*

    • Posted By: Luridmoon @ 06/30/2008 3:00:21 PM

      SIGH... So now I am the destroyer of family and morality because i have not been impregnated, great...

  • Posted By: jerseycitymom @ 06/30/2008 1:20:54 PM

    And I also think that it's a very, very personal decision. It's WAY better for all parties if a couple decides NOT to have kids and then later changes their minds...rather than the other way around. All one needs to do is read a local newspaper to know that MANY people have children who have NO idea of how to take care of them...

    There is no perfect answer. Only the one that makes sense to the 2 people involved.

    • Posted By: wichart @ 06/30/2008 4:04:30 PM

      Jerseycitymom, I think you make a good point. The supposed "happiness" quotient of parents would probably increase dramatically if couples at least waited a few years to start having kids. I think too many couples jump right into it without ever thinking of what life will be like after the kids arrive.

      Here's the test to decide whether or not you should have children. Would you rather:
      watch football - or - watch Barbie: Mermaidia
      go golfing - or - go to a 5-year-old's birthday party
      take a European vacation - or - pay for a set of braces
      go to the bar - or - go to bed so you're well rested when the kids wake you up at 6:30

      If you picked the first answer to any of those questions, you're not ready for parenthood.

      Another thing couples need to take into account is that childbirth generally destroys a woman's figure. Not many women ever get their pre-birth body back, so men, if you're not OK with that then don't get her pregnant. I don't want to hear any whining about the extra thirty pounds or the sagging breasts and stretch marks, because you chose for that to happen just as much as she did.

      • Posted By: templedog @ 07/02/2008 9:07:31 PM

        ROTF!
        AWESOME POST-- those are EXACTLY things I think about, and in this house- I know I'm not alone there! Dog hair freaks my guy out- imagine the rest of the circus! OH MY!
        WELL SAID!

    • Posted By: templedog @ 07/02/2008 9:05:10 PM

      Well said. Why people can't just watch what's going on around them everytime they go out- should be proof enough. People seem to think they will just automatically KNOW how to raise children. NOT SO.

  • Posted By: Julia_D @ 07/02/2008 9:04:40 PM

    As the bumper magnet on my sexy Mini Cooper convertible says: "NO KIDS FOR ME - I'M CHILDFREE - AND LOVING IT!" Loving every minute of doing what I want, when I want! Life isn't good... it's freaking awesome! =)

  • Posted By: ed11lm43 @ 06/30/2008 1:22:51 PM

    The premise of the question, "Do kids make you happier?", shows the selfish attitude that we have. It insinuates that the entire purpose of life is to make ourselves happy. Nowhere in the article did I read anything about giving another human being a chance at life as being a factor in bearing children. We need to realize that life is not all about us all the time. Having children may not make your life more enjoyable, but it gives another person a chance to experience life. I wish we could get over the ???what???s best for me is best??? attitude.

    • Posted By: martha4yost@gmail.com @ 06/30/2008 3:31:18 PM

      ha, ha...you're so caught up in the myth...Give another person a chance to have a life -- so they can have an unejoyable life, too? that makes no sense.

      • Posted By: templedog @ 07/02/2008 9:01:47 PM

        REALLY
        wouldn't that sort of depend on the QUALITY of that life you were giving a chance to- I agree here.
        That can sometimes be a disasterous excuse. And I have heard MANY OF THEM- more flimsy than not.

  • Posted By: ginasand @ 06/30/2008 1:24:14 PM

    Are you kidding me? Not having kids is the best decision I've ever made! I travel around the world, I can get up and go whenever I want, do anything I want, I'm well educated, and very well grounded. Why do people have this "myth" that children are suppose to complete you? That's as foolish as saying marriage is supposed to complete you. I can get a dog, and have a less expensive, more loyal companion than either a child or a spouse. I love the kids around me, my friends and family-I spoil the heck out of them, and it's great!
    At the end of the day, they go home to their chaos, and I'm left in the peace, quiet, comfort, and cleanliness of my home. It's a great life! It's selfish that's for sure. But so what? Who is anyone to tell you how to live your own life. Besides that, by not breeding, I'm certainly doing my part for Global Warming. I think people who don't produce more people should get some kind of tax break, or something! We deserve a lot more than sympathy, which is actually hillarious to me, considering that the people I know who are childless are always healthy, wealthy, and happy.

    • Posted By: templedog @ 07/02/2008 8:58:54 PM

      AMEN to that- we SHOULD be getting tax breaks! But more over if you DO have kids, maybe ditch the microwave and start studying more about food and less about the frozen isle. But I don't always think we are ALWAYS more wealthy- I do tent to spend less on garbage I wouldn't want for myself though- so thumbs up on this one!
      :)

    • Posted By: anotherpointofview @ 06/30/2008 4:03:21 PM

      This comment was pretty shallow

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 06/30/2008 1:59:43 PM

      I don't really think it's selfish. Definitely not as selfish as having kids you don't want because it's what you're "supposed to do"...having children just to make yourself look better or be more accepted DEFINITELY is more selfish that realizing you're not a kid person and not having them. Kudos to you for realizing that there are so many more things in life that can be fulfilling. If a person thinks being married and/or having children is the only path to leading a successful, fulfilling life, they must be living a very empty life indeed.

  • Posted By: JayhawkFan89 @ 07/02/2008 8:53:20 PM

    I'd rather be childless in a happy marriage than have children in a loveless marriage. Honestly, I don't even know if I want children. I've never felt drawn to children, I was never a babysitter growing up, and being a "mommy" just isn't something that is high on my list of life goals. And that's totally okay by me. And for those who want nothing more in life than to raise kids, that's totally okay too. Whatever makes you happy.

  • Posted By: Radmanaustin @ 06/30/2008 1:26:25 PM

    Maybe our life style needs to change. I think in general Americans base their happyness on what material posessions they have or don't have. Also think of the happiness that grandchildren bring which I hear is even greater than your own children. It maybe how we raise our children that is resulting in our own sorrow when we reap what we sow in poor parenting in this day and age.

    • Posted By: luciomarioectoro@yahoo.com @ 06/30/2008 3:51:17 PM

      Childrearing broke down with my (Woodstock) generation in that parents suffocate their kids and are so involved in their lives that they endlessly interfere w/the kids' learning to deal w/the Downs in Life. The parents demand minimal household work from progeny who grow older w/o necessary skills to grow up. If parents would raise responsible kids I suspect their burdens would be lessened.

      • Posted By: templedog @ 07/02/2008 8:52:15 PM

        Fabulous post.
        ABSOLUTELY!
        I think MANY of the world's problems would be a little bit better if we weren't dealing with HELICOPTER PARENTS!
        These people make me NUTS!
        I didn't have a helmet to ride my bike, my parents didn't go to job interviews with me, and I couldn't even imagine how half these kids survive as long as they do.
        They simply ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO ANYTHING, or to KNOW anything, they don't really even have social skills that could be considered MANNERS!
        It's ALL ABOUT THEM.
        Are you smarter than a 4th grader?
        Great show- let's see that kid work his way around a tax audit- a trip to the grocerey store- or fix a flat tire or handle a medical emergency.
        Everything has to be CUTE AND SAFE for my little Bubs- well we KNOW they KNOW HOW TO SPEND MONEY and THEY KNOW HOW TO EAT.
        Can they handle mowing the lawn and raking the leaves?
        Can they rent an apartment, can they get a deposit back?
        They are HANDED funding for school- but can they get through ONE SEMESTER without everything falling apart?
        We have the BSL whining about they don't want people to have any sort of dog that could be considered a protection dog- HEAVEN FORBID if you have a German Shepherd, because you can't have a wolf anymore, but now it seems well because of the child attacks and dog bites
        WELL HELLO I was raised around large animals all my life- I was TAUGHT how to behave around them.
        I didn't get attacked.
        I was taught how to behave in public- GOOD AS GOLD OR I"LL NEVER TAKE YOU TO DINNER AGAIN-
        You are small, you are taught, you are given responisbilities and you learn more.
        WHAT IN TARNATION IS IT WITH HELICOPTER PARENTS?
        Can someone please explain this to me?

  • Posted By: eggie @ 07/02/2008 4:14:15 PM

    This study doesn't take into account the benefits of having children, like having family to be there for you in your old age, or to give you grandkids to spoil when you are older and have nothing better to do. They help give life purpose.

    • Posted By: childfreeandlovingit @ 07/02/2008 8:47:17 PM

      You can never guarantee that your child will take care of you when you're older (a bit presumptuous and self-serving). As a healthcare worker, I've seen my share of elderly 'dropped off' at the nursing homes by their grown children because the children were too busy taking care of their own kids.

  • Posted By: happy day @ 07/02/2008 8:45:53 PM

    It seems to me that the article makes a good point. Obviously, many people get happiness out of having children, but the studies are not telling any single person that they are unhappy for having children; the studies are looking in aggregate. Some people might well be better off not having children. The moral of the story is not that *you,* personally, should not have children; it's that it makes sense to analyze whether or not children will add to your individual happiness rather than simply assuming that childbearing always increases happiness.

  • Posted By: happy day @ 07/02/2008 8:44:44 PM

    It seems to me that the article makes a good point. Obviously, many people get happiness out of having children, but the studies are not telling any single person that they are unhappy for having children; the studies are looking in aggregate. Some people might well be better off not having children. The moral of the story is not that *you,* personally, should not have children; it's that it makes sense to analyze whether or not children will add to your individual happiness rather than simply assuming that childbearing always increases happiness.

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