Candidates Think Flip-Flopping is the Only Way to Win Elections

With all due respect CC

You can predict all you want about either candidate but
Don't be a fool in your own skin and think that what you believe will become a reality

I respect your opinion but do not agree with it. I have been following McCain's political life for quite a while and as far as I can tell he blew his chance many years ago with his frequent midnight raids on Bills by inserting amendments that would cause them to fail, his temper tantrums durning Senate hearings sabotaging the entire precedings, all caught on CSPAN for the world to see and I was watching. His move to the left after he was swift boated by The Bushies and then came crawling back with his red dog tail between his legs supporting the very creep that destroyed his integrity, his once good name and any chance of being the nominee in 2000 and now he has hired the very Creep (Karl Rove) that designed and instigated his distruction. yeah he has a lot of experience, hasn't learned anything with it and lacks the wisdom, the judgement and the back bone of a great leader. he show signs of the early stages of Alzheimer's disease which is quite evident with his frequent displays of deer in the head light gaffe moments, doesn't understand or even know who we are engaged in battle with in the middle east, thinks the president of Iran is calling the shots for Iran, is the King Daddy of Flip Floppers, has 1400 pages of medical records and those are the only ones that have been released and the list goes on and on.

These are not reasons why I think you shouldn't vote for Mccain I personaly don't give a rats @ss who you vote for. These are just reasons why I won't vote for him and I have plenty more. so lets just agree to disagree and leave it at that. by the way i don't have clue who in hell you get your information from nor do I care but i do care where i get mine and it is not from Corporate Republican run Main Stream Media. Abraham Lincoln is my favorite President and John Adams my favorite American my favorite Senators Gaylord Nelson and William Proxmier. I have been involved in Politics before I was first able to vote and I have been voting since the Johnson Administration and I did not vote for him. I believe politics is infested with people who just don't have the talent to do things honestly correct no matter whose party you care to look at. The political process is severely broken and McCains history has bore the truth that he will not fix it nor will he even try. he is extremely comfortable in the damaged political process which he has helped to create.

have a nice life CC and for all of us may we be spared more of the same

RetiredMarine and anyone else I have antagonized. My only intent has been to express the truth and my frustration but I am exhausted now. I don't think that I have neglected saying anything, it is all here somewhere. I wish you all good will and the best, especially for all of us come 2009. God Bless.

(continuing from above)

I have attempted on several instances to respond to those postings but they ignore the truth offered and just go on. I by no means am perfect and my arguments aren???t perfect but the weight of everything should not be ignored. There will be those that attack John McCain???s character and record, I don???t need to do that because I believe the facts speak for themselves. John McCain advocates and guarantees he will continue the falsely justified Iraq War that offers questionable results, significant ongoing costs and has over stretched our military, that he will continue the deficit spending, the failed energy policy, the tax cuts weighted in favor of the wealthy,,, on and on with the irresponsible Bush-Cheney policies favoring a special few. Barack Obama promises, without guarantees, that he will provide change from all of those policies biased against the average American, those that have significantly cost the middle class and instead bring honesty and equitability back to our government. IT WOULD SEEM ONLY RATIONAL TO CHOOSE A CHANCE FOR CHANGE OVER MORE OF THE SAME. Of course that would take an objective and unbiased mentality.

Did you know that if McCain is elected you will have to pay income tax on the value of the medical insurance that your employer gives you? Worse still, he is offering a tax break for people who pay their own insurance, BUT only $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families.

Let's say you have a family of four. Your insurance policy costs would be at least $1,500-2,500 per month under a self-pay plan, which cost more than employer group plans. So, you pay $18,000 -$30,000 per year for insurance, and you get to deduct only $5,000 of that. If you paid $25,000 for you insurance, you would be out of pocket $20,000 per year. This is FAR WORSE than the current system, where if you are self employed you can deduct 100% of you medical insurance costs.

So, if you're not self employed, you would stick with your Employer's plan. Employer plans for a family of four have a value of $900-$1,500 per month totaling 10,800-$18,000 per year. Surprise! On April 15th, you owe tax on all of that as INCOME to you. Say your bracket is 25%, and the value of your Employer medical plan is $14,000. You will OWE THE IRS an additional $3,500, and that's ON TOP of whatever monthly premium you already pay to your employer for your insurance.

Many analysts say that McCain's new rules would encourage employers to stop offering health benefits. If that happened, then far fewer Americans would be insured than are insured today, because what family of four can afford $18,000-$30,000 out of pocket per year for self-pay health insurance?

Furthermore, McCain's plan does not require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions of people who self-pay their insurance. People under employer group plans have all of their pre-existing conditions covered. This is a hugely unfair aspect of the current system. Insurance companies can afford to cover the pre-existing conditions of the much larger pool of people with group insurance, but they refuse to pay the pre-existing conditions on the smaller pool of self-pay customers. They have been allowed to price gouge the self-pay customers, which is a form of market manipulation that should be illegal.

So let's say one of your kids had diabetes and you have high blood pressure, then your employer stops offering insurance. You now have to buy your own, but you and your child are INELIGIBLE due to pre-existing conditions. Oh, yeah, they will let you buy the insurance, but you can't use it for any pre-existing condition until you have paid on time every month for two years. And you know what happens at one year and 11 months? You get a letter saying your policy has been cancelled. I have many patients this has happened to.

McCain's plan SUCKS.

It does nothing to help middle class working Americans afford or obtain medical insurance. In fact, it makes the current system WORSE.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/29/mccain_unveils_health_care_pla.html?nav=rss_email/components

Obama has always been a moderate Democrat. He has some liberal ideas and some conservative ones, but overall he is a centrist. Read his book Audacity of Hope (written more than four years ago) and you will see that he is saying the exact same things today that he was saying then.

The liberal media and the radical right have both wanted to paint Obama as a leftist liberal, each for their own reasons. They each were guilty of creating an image of Obama that simply is not accurate. Now, they are both screaming, the liberals saying "He's going centrist and abandoning the liberals!" and the right wingers saying "He's flip flopping by going moderate!"

Both factions are wrong. Obama has not changed. Obama himself referred to this problem last fall, when he said that people were going to project all kinds of ideas onto him, and that some of them were going to be disappointed, because he can only be who he is.

Obama is a moderate Democrat. Always was a moderate Democrat. End of story.

Gallup Daily: July 8, 2008

Obama 46%

McCain 44%

The nations registered voters remain closely divided in their presidential preferences, with 46% of those interviewed in Gallup Poll Daily tracking from July 5-7 saying they will vote for Democrat Barack Obama and 44% favoring Republican John McCain.

more: http://www.gallup.com/poll/108700/Gallup-Daily-Obama-46-McCain-44.aspx

Wow, what happened here? Obama had a 6 point lead a few days ago last I looked. CNN just had a story on this saying that the flip-flopping tag is starting to stick and promotion of it is only going to get worse.

WOW!!! Still no changes, huh? I would think polling after the most patriotic of America's patriotic celebrations would have given McCain a certain boost.

"Democratic candidate Barack Obama continues to maintain a slim margin over Republican John McCain, 48% to 42%, according to Gallup Poll Daily tracking conducted July 2-3 and July 5. Today's three-day rolling average is based on interviewing conducted in the two days before the July 4 holiday, July 2-3, and Saturday, July 5."

Sunday, July 06, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows Barack Obama attracting 47% of the vote while John McCain earns 40%. When "leaners" are included, Obama leads 49% to 44%.

RCP Average = 5.8+OBAMA

Electoral College: 238 OBAMA to 163 McCain

Seems that McCain doesn't own the "patriotism" label as he'd hoped........

only a fool would vote for a fool like obama, sad thing is theres a lot of fools and idiots in the world.

Did you know that if McCain is elected you will have to pay income tax on the value of the medical insurance that your employer gives you? Worse still, he is offering a tax break for people who pay their own insurance, BUT only $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families.

Let's say you have a family of four. Your insurance policy costs would be at least $1,500-2,500 per month under a self-pay plan, which cost more than employer group plans. So, you pay $18,000 -$30,000 per year for insurance, and you get to deduct only $5,000 of that. If you paid $25,000 for you insurance, you would be out of pocket $20,000 per year. This is FAR WORSE than the current system, where if you are self employed you can deduct 100% of you medical insurance costs.

So, if you're not self employed, you would stick with your Employer's plan. Employer plans for a family of four have a value of $900-$1,500 per month totaling 10,800-$18,000 per year. Surprise! On April 15th, you owe tax on all of that as INCOME to you. Say your bracket is 25%, and the value of your Employer medical plan is $14,000. You will OWE THE IRS an additional $3,500, and that's ON TOP of whatever monthly premium you already pay to your employer for your insurance.

Many analysts say that McCain's new rules would encourage employers to stop offering health benefits. If that happened, then far fewer Americans would be insured than are insured today, because what family of four can afford $18,000-$30,000 out of pocket per year for self-pay health insurance?

Furthermore, McCain's plan does not require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions of people who self-pay their insurance. People under employer group plans have all of their pre-existing conditions covered. This is a hugely unfair aspect of the current system. Insurance companies can afford to cover the pre-existing conditions of the much larger pool of people with group insurance, but they refuse to pay the pre-existing conditions on the smaller pool of self-pay customers. They have been allowed to price gouge the self-pay customers, which is a form of market manipulation that should be illegal.

So let's say one of your kids had diabetes and you have high blood pressure, then your employer stops offering insurance. You now have to buy your own, but you and your child are INELIGIBLE due to pre-existing conditions. Oh, yeah, they will let you buy the insurance, but you can't use it for any pre-existing condition until you have paid on time every month for two years. And you know what happens at one year and 11 months? You get a letter saying your policy has been cancelled. I have many patients this has happened to.

McCain's plan SUCKS.

It does nothing to help middle class working Americans afford or obtain medical insurance. In fact, it makes the current system WORSE.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/29/mccain_unveils_health_care_pla.html?nav=rss_email/components

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As just one example take the often rationalized Iraq War which was falsely justified, misleadingly reported and now, offered as necessary to be maintained indefinitely. This last point is emphasized as being necessary for the honor of our troops, to allow for success and to defend against terrorism. All of that neglects that we are only there, after attacking was dishonestly justified, for the benefit of Special Interests and a select few and to satisfy GWBush???s ego with his legacy then being he was the president that brought Democracy to the region. Don???t believe that, then consider that the real problem was in Afghanistan (but without oil) and defeating Iraq took away the real countering factor of Iran (bad mistake). Facts that are neglected are 4000+ US service men have died, 25000+ have been injured, $100s of billions US dollars have been spent, it is the effort of a farce coalition with America paying 95+% in lives and dollars, the Iraqi oil was suppose to pay for the war and the rebuilding effort, the Iraqis are fighting Iraqis while their government squabbles over every detail for sectarian advantage, it now is likely a civil war of questionable duration and for questionable results, our military is stressed with our service people asked to do more than what is reasonable, our people have been killed by some of the very people they are fighting for, it has been deceptively declared part of the War on Terrorism when it has literally taken from that effort and with our service people needed to return to Afghanistan and become further stretched, we are making Iraqi???s wealthy with American dollars to help us fight their war and all this while the reporting, at best, has been manipulated to serve the Bush Administration???s purposes. It really is about time it was ended for the sake of our troops and more ??? and as I said, this is only one example. Semper Fi

Awe what a good little sheep. you hit just about every one of the Sean Hannity/FOXpublican talking points that there has been, so cudos to you.
UNFORTUNATELY, as usual you are FULL OF RACIST SH!T! Nobody cares about Rev Wright, unless you just want to again boost his numbers and make him stronger, like each time it came up in the primaries. Also Only about 13% of voters still think he's Muslim, 13% why does that sound familuar? Oh yeah that is the combined number of people from Wva And Kn who said they would not vote for him because he's BLACK, not Muslim, BLACK.
You see I have figured out the whole "Muslim" joke. I refuse to believe that 43 million people can be that STUPID, when it is clear that he is NOT and NEVER has been a Muslim. He is however BLACK and always has been (at least half). It's not ok, or socially acceptable to hate himm for being "Black" you can't just come out and call him the "N" word, not anymore. BUT, you can hate him if you "believe" he's Muslim, right now that is acceptable socailly, now only by about 28% of the population, but it's easier to claim that's why YOU hate him and get away with it then to just say..."I hate that "N" word"...and it makes you angry that you can't just come out and say it, you think it should be your right, and it is, you're just a coward, so you say "Muslim" instead of "N" word. Shame on you RACIST.