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  • Posted By: 4carol @ 06/30/2008 10:07:02 AM

    I am so sick and tired of MCCain's campaigners saying that Barack has demeaned and/or lied about his (MCCains) service record!! He has never said anything demeaning whatsoever about the service record. I wish they would get on the real issues and quit attacking...but I guess that's all they know being they're working for McCain-after all, he's the master at attacking (look out Iran). OBAMA '08

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/30/2008 1:04:22 PM

      I guess you haven't heard Wesley Clark then

      • Posted By: metzlerd @ 06/30/2008 5:03:55 PM

        Actually I guess you havent heard him. Clark only questioned what in McCains military background can be attributed to experience that will be useful to as President. If McCain supporters tout his military experience than that is a fair issue.

        It is even more rediculous to blame Obama for what Gen Clark said.

        • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/30/2008 5:49:08 PM

          Actually I was surpised Clark took such a cheap shot. Nobody has to like McCain, but for an Obama supporter to minimize McCain's military experience in any way is inappropriate. One can't blame Obama for the remarks, but they were uncalled for.

          • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 07/01/2008 2:11:25 PM

            News,

            Do you really consider Gen. Clark's remarks as questioning McCain's service record. I saw the interview and honestly the statement in question was not insulting or belittlling.

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/01/2008 4:54:17 PM

              For what it is worth, Clark opening his mouth to say anything tied in with McCains military experience, regardless how it was supposed to not be a dis, it was taken as a negative to even bring it up. Thus, this blurt helped McCain this time around.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/30/2008 9:32:09 PM

          Second.

      • Posted By: Nor-Cal for Obama @ 06/30/2008 4:54:56 PM

        If you could read , and of had actually READ Clarks comments, then you would KNOW that he in know way demeaned Mccains record in relation to what it is, a military record. Which, does NOT qualify one for the presidency.

        He was absolutly correct.

        • Posted By: News and Notes @ 07/01/2008 10:21:42 AM

          Challenging my reading skills, yes, that will move me into Obama's camp. For a uniter, many of Obama's supporters are incredibly arrogant. I know exactly what Clark said, and to minimize McCain's experience in any way, even in reference to presidential qualifications, is inappropriate. While I am not a McCain supporter, I would put his qualifications over Obama's any day of the week

        • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/30/2008 5:46:52 PM

          You talking about Weasely Clark? One day a hardcore Hill supporter, the next day a BO Hippy Bus Rider. Puleeeeze! Hey Driver of the Hippy Bus! Why don't you throw his confused a** off the bus!!!

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/30/2008 9:32:52 PM

      Nothing but desperate moves from the McCain camp.

    • Posted By: flamingo123 @ 06/30/2008 4:30:34 PM

      Another brainwash Obama's supporters.

    • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/30/2008 12:28:49 PM

      Your opinion is noted. A bunch of hearsay, but noted. Ever heard of a fact before?

  • Posted By: loriw @ 06/30/2008 4:58:38 PM

    Sen. Obama is half black and now he is half Clinton.
    So much for change....

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/30/2008 9:40:31 PM

      So now you feel the need to offend both Obama and Hillary supporters?

      • Posted By: loriw @ 06/30/2008 10:24:19 PM

        I'm getting impatient and therefore cranky, I want to see some town hall meetings or debates with both Obama and McCain. I want them to get their VP's named so we know who could become the POTUS if something happens to either of them.

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/01/2008 1:26:31 AM

          loriw, you are so right. Those are two obvious topics of conversation that have not been announced yet. Altough I am thinking that the 10 Town Mtgs. that McCain challenged Obama to we are lucky he does 1 or 2 (has Obama said he d do any yet?) cuz Mr. O is not comfortable in an environment where he is there with opponents being asked questions off the cuff (not knowing what he is to talk about) like with the media/pundits. That is why he never rose to any challenge Hillary made about a town mtg cuz he was so mortified at the questions being asked and we all know how poorly he was perceived in responding to thos questions that were asked of him. Although in a town hall meeting he is in a setting where he is asked questions from we, the people, not pundits, about real issues and his solutions to those issues, what his policies are and why,etc. Obama is mainly comfortable, at his element when hen is making a speech, knows what is going to be talked about (cuz it is eg. an inspirational speech in which not questions are to be asked about issues, solutions, policies he supports and why,etc.). I will be surprized if Mr. O does ONE town hall mtg with McCain. Just my gut feeling about Obama and hey, he doesnt have to. But we all know if he wanted to make it happen it could cuz Im sure both have aides very competent to make openings for a few town mtgs. happening by opening up their schedules for something as important as this especially given the people want to see these town mtgs happen.

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/01/2008 1:33:43 AM

            I forgot to comment on the VP announcement. It might be still early yet for that, but I, too, am very interested not just in who Obama selects as his VP , but also what McCain will pick for VP cuz I think this race continues to be closer than anyone has expected (given that we have had a cowboy Repub. prez in the white house totally making a mess of our country). I know that I am surprized that Obama is not soaring hugely double digit if McCain is supposedly being interpretted as another Bush. My thinking if people were thinking that way to that extent there would be a much larger spread between McCain and Obama, which so far has not been the case.

            • Posted By: News and Notes @ 07/01/2008 2:12:40 PM

              One might argue that part of the reason the race is still so close is becuase the Democrats are going to nominate the weaker candidate. Obama's VP pick is extremely important. If he puts up a Hillary hater he could be in trouble

              • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/01/2008 4:48:56 PM

                I dont think Obama will put Hillary on the ticket. If he is smart, he will put a VP on the ticket that has much experience in foreign policy/national security to fill the big hole he has in this area; and if the person also has at least a grasp on how to turn our economy around (another hole Mr O needs fixed) that would be good. Actually, if the VP could do everything that Pres doesnt have for experience that would be good cuz that would free up Obama to make speeches every day talking about hope and change while the VP does the job. LMAO.

        • Posted By: News and Notes @ 07/01/2008 10:14:25 AM

          Just like Obama refused to debate Hillary after the Pennsylvania primary, he will refuse town hall meetings with McCain because that is not his favorite format

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/01/2008 7:21:13 AM

          I am getting impatient too and would like to see them in town hall meetings and debates. I'm curious as to whom they will choose as Veeps but certainly not for the reason you state.

    • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/30/2008 6:09:22 PM

      Loriw - so now the truth comes out, you'[ve been a Rep all along?

      • Posted By: loriw @ 06/30/2008 7:19:52 PM

        Nope still undecided but the scales are tipping toward McCain the more that Obama embraces the Clintons whom I dispise. Hope that clears it up for you.

        • Posted By: dreffein @ 07/01/2008 4:35:52 AM

          Loriw - you are sooo transparent. I've seen from your other posts you're dissing Obama now. So, I'd say it's pretty clear you were for McCain all along. As for the Clintons, as I recall, old Johnny boy has been singing HRC's praises. And, since I know what a great moralist you are, I'm curious how you condone McCain's cheating on his first wife?

          • Posted By: loriw @ 07/01/2008 2:33:08 PM

            Dreffin I don't condone McCains cheating on his wife but the difference between McCain and Clinton is that Clinton repeatedly lied about it to the American people and McCain admits to it. BIG DIFFERENCE. See when people lie to me they are sending the message that I am too stupid to know the truth. I knew Clinton was lying when he said he didnt inhale and I knew he was lying when he stated he did not have sexual relationsts with that woman. His Body langualge screamed LLIAR.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/01/2008 7:18:02 AM

            GM Dref. I feel as you do. Lori now accuses Obama of being in bed with the Clintons.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/01/2008 1:38:28 AM

        dreffein, I am (and Independent) in the same boat as Loriw to some extent, but I continue to teeter on both and most likely it weill depend on what we learn about both candidates over the summer before the GE.

  • Posted By: pissed-off @ 07/01/2008 10:36:58 AM

    hey Clark you have to remmeber ia a retired milatary leader and he had a lot of troop's he is saying being held captive is not a requirement if that is the case all veteran's should be considered let's keep it real now he just doesn't want McCain to get it twisted and have some vet's even those with mental condition's potraying themselves as candidates or he know's the mentality of some our Veteran's he was not trying to bring him down just keeping the fear out of the game

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 07/01/2008 1:22:59 PM

      Even those who don't like McCain can concede that he is qualified to be president, and his military experience, while not required, is a unique qualification that he brings to the table. Discrediting McCain for his stances on issues may be a stronger argument.

      • Posted By: the-commish @ 07/01/2008 1:58:06 PM


        You are correct there, News and Notes!

        McCain's military service and 5 1/2 years of captivity in the Hanoi Hilton is admirable, and no cause to discredit him.

        However, despite his own rhetoric, he will not be a change from the Bush years.

        That is an automatic red flag!

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/01/2008 4:41:54 PM

          STUMPER
          Posted Monday, June 16, 2008 6:40 PM
          Why McCain Wouldn't Be Bush III (Sorry, Barack)
          Andrew Romano

          EXCERPT:

          Yes, McCain is a Republican. Yes, he--like Bush--has Republican positions. And yes, you should vote against him if you disagree with the Republican Party on the issues. My only point here is that McCain, based on his bipartisan past, is probably one of the Republicans least likely to govern like Bush--and thus least deserving of the inevitable "Bush III" label. None of this is to say that McCain would be a perfect president, or even a good one. I'll let the voters decide that. Maybe you think he's too old. Maybe you think he's too conservative. Maybe you think he's squandered his honor for political gain. Maybe you just like Obama better. Any reason is fine, as long, that is, as the crucial comparison is between Obama and McCain--their policies, their personalities and the problems they'll face as president--and not between Obama and Bush. Because even though 43 has done some preposterous things during his time in the White House, he's not defying the Twenty-Second Amendment to run for a third term--despite what Obama says.

          Here is the full story: http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/06/16/sorry-barack-mccain-won-t-deliver-a-third-bush-term.aspx

    • Posted By: amendment2man @ 07/01/2008 11:00:56 AM

      HUH?!!

  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 06/30/2008 10:21:22 PM



    GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Because in the matters of national security policy making, it's a matter of understanding risk. It's a matter of gauging your opponents, and it's a matter of being held accountable. John McCain's never done any of that in his official positions. I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in Armed Forces as a prisoner of war. He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility. That large squadron in Air- in the Navy that he commanded, it wasn't a wartime squadron. He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall. He hasn't seen what it's like when diplomats come in and say, 'I don't know whether we're going to be able to get this point through or not. Do you want to take the risk? What about your reputation? How do we handle it-?'

    -it's publicly.' He hasn't made those calls.

    So, in short, General Clark respects John McCain's service, calls him a hero to millions, but notes that experience doesn't make him qualified to be Commander in Chief.

    General Clark called McCain a hero to millions for his sacrifice. And, that's a pretty big statement coming from a man who, himself, left Vietnam on a stretcher. But, facts are facts:

    * Senator McCain's service and experience, both as a POW and as a Senator apparently hasn't infused him with a dose of good judgment.

    * Senator McCain's experience hasn't led him to realize that the war in Iraq and it's continuance has empowered and emboldened Iran, and destabilized the region.

    * Senator McCain's experience hasn't caused him to recognize that we're losing ground in Afghanistan, and Osama bin Laden is still out there, plotting.

    * Senator McCain's experience didn't lead him to support the 21st Century GI Bill -- he opposed it. It didn't even make him feel the need to get back to Washington to vote on this -- one of the most important veterans' bills this Congress. He twice skipped votes on the GI Bill, to fundraise.

    * Senator McCain's experience didn't help him empathize with troops are overstretched and overdeployed, when he voted against the bipartisan Webb-Hagel "Dwell Time Amendment," which would have given troops as much time at home as in the field.

    Senator McCain is running on his experience, saying it makes him ready to lead right away. By doing so, he is asking people to look at what that experience taught him. By looking at Senator McCain's positions and votes (or lack of them), it seems that experience has not given him the right judgment on important issues of our time. And, while we should all honor Senator McCain's service, that doesn't mean we should necessarily honor it by putting him in the White House to take up George W. Bush's third term.

    So, General Clark is 100 percent absolutely right, and he should not back down, These are important times, and deserve a blunt and honest debate

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/30/2008 10:47:48 PM

      So according to Gen. Clark Obama brings:
      Incredible communication skills
      Proven judgement
      Deals with people well
      Understands issues
      Brings people together

      Incredible communication skills

      I've said it before and I've seen nothing to change my view: Obama can not communicate without the aid of a script
      He visited 57 states? 10,000 people died in one tornado? He sees fallen war heroes in the audience? etc. etc. etc.

      Proven judgement
      Really? The depth of a person's judgement can be inferred from the company he keeps. Which is why we tell our kids to not hang with drug addicts and delinquents (advice Obama apparently did not heed in his youth??? a pattern of poor judgement that continues today)
      Deals with people well
      Was inclined to give him this one, then I remembered how he keeps dragging race into the campaign while accusing others of dragging it into the campaign. Accusing people of racism without any evidence does not indicate an ability to deal well with people.
      Understands issues
      Wants to raise capital gains tax out of fairness even if it hurts the economy?
      Thinks invading Pakistan should be an option but thinks removing Saddam, Uday and Qusay was a bad idea
      Thinks Iran is a minor threat, no wait, a major threat, no wait, let's have tea
      Brings people together:
      Can anyone give me an example of Obama bringing people together? Still waiting for the whole unity thing...

      • Posted By: the-commish @ 07/01/2008 2:03:30 PM

        Hey Zombie,

        General Clark did not even mention Obama. He was talking about McCain!

        He did not say Obama was qualified (which I think he is) and did not even say that McCain was not qualified... just that his military service did not automatically qualify him to be Commander-In-Chief.

        By the way, hello fellow Nevadan!

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/01/2008 4:29:38 PM

          Lets face it. The guy should have just kept his mouth shut cuz whether you think Clark said or didnt say, it really helped pump up McCain by this general picking on McCain and his service not qualifying him to be POTUS. It was taken as a negative comment and would have served Obama better by not being mentioned by Clark. .

  • Posted By: loriw @ 07/01/2008 2:09:48 PM

    Ok everyone here is where I stand. You all know my dislike for the Clintons goes beyond the cheating, Bill LIED about it repeatedly to all of us Americans, Bill lost his law license due to perjury WHILE POTUS, the Clintons are dirty politician who appear to arrange for very bad luck to happen to people who cross them, and they stole property from the White House as they left. Thats the Reader's digest version.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 07/01/2008 2:14:06 PM

      So yes, I am disappointed that Sen. Obama has now embraced the Clintons-hiring their staff and campaigning with Hill+Billy. Sen. Obama was supposed to be about change, not politics as usual but the Clintons are politics as usual only worse. If Obama's campaigning with the Clintons brings in money from their large donors won't Obama then be obligated to them and their special interests-exactly what he said he was not going to do- be infulenced by special intersts?

      • Posted By: loriw @ 07/01/2008 2:17:56 PM

        Finally to end speculations on my vote...here is where it stands UNDECIDED!
        If Hillary becomes the VP then on that day I will be for McCain.
        There are things i like and dislike about both McCain and Obama so I plan to see first and foremost who the VP's will be since I believe there is a strong likely hood that neither will complete their terms. 2.Want to see them both in debates with each other.

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/01/2008 4:20:43 PM

          I agree. For the undecided, whomever is picked for either nominee to be the VP on their ticket will help people teetering on which guy to support, or at least I hope they both make a great pick for VP as there are alot of good ones to choose from luckily.

  • Posted By: debra1953 @ 07/01/2008 9:36:15 AM

    well i for one will not vote for obama or mccain if my life depended on it and it dose i know they have both proved themselves to be liars and will say anything to get elected and i just don't trust either to do what they say they would do obama said he is for change well so far he has ran the same kind of campaign as all the others in the past will say or do anything to get elected and mccaine has done the same so were dose that leave us the same way we were and that scares me not for myself but for my kids and grand kids and great grand child that will be here soon i will probably not live long enough to have it effect me very much but they have there whole life's ahead of them at least when we had the choice of electing Hillary we knew what we were going to be getting now that choice is gone the people did not want her so i hold them responsible for my family futures and hope and pray they are the ones that are right and i am wrong but if i am the one that's right god help us all

    • Posted By: nopartyaffiliation123 @ 07/01/2008 10:42:43 AM

      you know what, just because you aren't voting, we aren't going to have a President this time around and your kids won't suffer. How is that sound for you? Wise up, nobody's perfect.

      • Posted By: debra1953 @ 07/01/2008 3:02:00 PM

        i did not say i wasnt voteing i said i was not voteing for obama or mcaine there is a 3rd party you know

  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 07/01/2008 2:54:09 PM



    I don't know where any reporter or any other political junkie with any kind of scrupples sees what General Clark said about McCain is a rub on his service record. As a matter of fact if you read the entire statement as it was said he praises McCain for his service to the country. He just doesn't think that should be a qualification for McCain to be President. In these times of terrible uncertainty in our country just being a POW and X Military Service Man is not good enough reason to be POTUS. This contorversy is not going to go away until McCain opens all of his service records and that of all the service records of the Vietnam War that where sealed with the passing of the McCain Bill. And that is really where and what this is really all about. If we don't know the whole story then there really isn't any story and everything that has been said is just a fabrication not of the real McCain and we will never know who John McCain really is. If you are jusr following McCain with blind faith and believing what MSM is shoving down your throats about this issue (and dare I say what some would call the "liberal media" I guess the press's reaction to this article proves there is no such thing) you are a fool in your own skin and derserve everything you are not going to get.

    OPEN THE RECORD, THE REAL RECORDS. and lets put this to rest once and for all and get on with the real business of electing a President who will lead us back to a nation of freeholders and away from what we have become, a nation of beholders


  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/30/2008 7:50:06 PM

    In the long run, history hates a bald face liar. All of the data is there. The war was as big a lie as we have ever endured from the office of the President. It was fake built upon fake built upon misrepresentations that are now common knowledge. As soon as the cudgel is taken from his incompetent hand, the truth will flood in and the best that he can expect is infamy. Mc Cain takes the hit as the culprits fade into the background.

    • Posted By: amendment2man @ 07/01/2008 10:00:09 AM

      Hey Saddam HAD WMD's he used them on the Kurds! its a historical fact.

      it was based on circumstantial and historical evidence so enough already. The surge has WORKED . security has totally improved. The government is coming together and their forces are being sucesfuly trained. your argument is tired, old and outdated. even your childish candidate obama is slowly conimg to the same conclusion and changing his tune regarding Iraq.

      Mcsame? sounds like a compliment now.

      • Posted By: loriw @ 07/01/2008 2:27:11 PM

        Saddam was in fact himself a weapon of mass destruction who personally order the murder of thousands of his own people and many of his own family members. I for one am glad that we took him out of power.
        If we had done the same with Hitler at the beginning of his madness perhaps we would have kept him from invading other European countries and killing millions. Perhaps we learned from that part of history.

  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/30/2008 12:37:42 PM

    GOODMORNING ALL!!!!

    It's been a busy weekend for politics, folks. The GALLUP POLL - which had the candidates tied for the better part of last week - now has OBAMA back up by 4pts. RASMUSSEN is showing a 6% lead for OBAMA, and REALCLEARPOLITICS has OBAMA leading by 7%.

    The ELECTORAL MAP - which the GOP never missed an opportunity to reference - has McCain LOSING by 40 points.

    Although, BOTH candidates have major flaws and questionable pasts, how is it that ALL of the polls are significantly one-sided? Tracking the candidates support groups reveals that McCain has no true core supporters. His constituacy is "scattered". Evangelicals are jumping ship....the far right, hard-core conservatives are ignoring his phone-calls......and, what I've been hearing is that women (as upset as they are at OBAMA) are not viewing McC as an option.

    It seems McCain's past, and caveman-like attitude towards women is rearing it's ugly head. In a recent interview, McC jokes about BEATING HIS WIFE:

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/mccain-gambles.html

    I wouldn't think this would be such an issue if he didn't already have a history of degrading women. In a press conference McC CALLS HIS WIFE THE C-WORD:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/07/report-mccains-profane-ti_n_95429.html

    You'd think that McC's disrespect toward women would only be directed towards adults, but it doesn't stop there. When Chelsea Clinton was only 12 years old, McCain directed a vebal assault towards her - a defenseless young girl:

    http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.politics.bush/2008-02/msg00109.html

    On top of the fact that he cheated on, and abandoned his ex-wife after she was severely injured in a car accident, to be w/ a rich, blonde heiress - I now understand why he's losing support of women by the day.

    Wait.....almost forgot........OH HAPPY DAYS!!!!!!



    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/30/2008 1:54:36 PM

      Good morning and thank you KB. Yup, Happy Days, Obama is ahead!

      • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/30/2008 2:26:20 PM

        Where exactly are you from stating good morning at 1 in the afternoon? We are supposed to respect the opinion of someone who wakes up 3 hours before the majority of us work day ends? lol suuure Yeah take the opinion of someone who cant even crawl outta bed before 1pm. That'll happen

        • Posted By: merc Medic @ 07/01/2008 4:02:01 AM

          SPORTLOCK09
          As I read may of your comments I can see you certainly aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you? However most of us here would probably agree that you are certainly a "tool". If unsure what I mean, go to:
          http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tool

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/01/2008 2:25:17 PM

            Thanks for posting this. Sportlock is always trying to instigate.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/30/2008 9:16:50 PM

          Hey buddy, if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. Deal?

      • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/30/2008 2:17:31 PM

        Im sorry did I miss an election? What exactly is he ahead of? I think Hilary was a shoe in before the boys club got together and trounced her wasnt she? You can wipe your azz with a gallop poll by a bunch of democrats. Your next post should read duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/30/2008 9:22:34 PM

          Aww, aren't you respectful. For one thing, Obama is ahead of you in everything. Get my drift?

        • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 06/30/2008 5:25:09 PM



          17 mil + votes to not quite 9 mil votes in the primaries, real numbers and its not even the general election. Johnnie Midnight is going to be beat like a step child. The Repulicans are not energized this GE and the ones who are are voting Democratic well except for all of the "ROVEBOTS"

          Its sure to extend your PAIN with your vote for McCain




          • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/30/2008 6:20:27 PM

            Hey not sure you noticed but the Democrats primaries lasted about 3 months AFTER the Republican primaries. I guess you didnt think that had anything to do with it.
            Real common sense and you show you dont have an ounce of it.

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/30/2008 5:23:01 PM

          You are not kidd'n there Sportlock09. She is and continues to be an extremely strong women to have not broken down given what she dealt with with the MainStreamMedia and the DNC. This video shows the hate, sexism and enjoyment political pundits had with Hillary Clinton.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/30/2008 4:07:07 PM

      Ha so when McCain is in the lead next week, will you still think those Polls are valid?

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/30/2008 9:17:44 PM

        McCain wont be in the lead next week, nor the week after, nor the month after, and so forth...........

      • Posted By: Nor-Cal for Obama @ 06/30/2008 4:51:32 PM

        McCain has NEVER lead against Obama in the national. What in the hell makes you think he will next week?

        • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/30/2008 5:45:39 PM

          Polls don't mean much early on

    • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/30/2008 1:26:43 PM

      The fact that everyone of these polls differs, dead heat,4% to 6% to 7% should discredit each one of these polls. If you were given 4 different winning lottery numbers by 4 different sources and one of the sources gave you the numbers you had, what do you do? Would you assume all 4 of the sources were correct or would you discredit each source until proven without a iota of doubt? Common sense I'm sure you have, ya just refuse to use it when it comes to the O-man. WHICH discredits anything you post until proven factual. Have a good day!

      • Posted By: metzlerd @ 06/30/2008 4:48:14 PM

        You don't prove or disprove a poll. A poll just is. It may be close to reality, or it may be way off, but they will never all be the same You either care what they say or you don't. If you don't, no point in jumping all over someone because each poll is different.

        • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/30/2008 5:51:33 PM

          True, but some folks use poll data as bragging rights, which, this early on, can be perilous

  • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/30/2008 11:07:15 AM

    This campaign is already exhausting. Obama is a smooth talking, under experienced liberal, and McCain is a maverick turned radical republican. It's all about mud slinging wiht very little substance. Hillary was by far the best of the three

    • Posted By: ozarkajuice @ 06/30/2008 11:22:06 AM

      Your right hillary is the best out of the 3. i mean how many ex first lady's dodged sniper fire?

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/01/2008 7:25:13 AM

        Yeah and lost 11 states in a row to a virtual young unknown.

        • Posted By: News and Notes @ 07/01/2008 10:17:17 AM

          That is the kind of smug arrogance and Hillary bashing that may cost Obama the election

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/01/2008 2:19:30 PM

            I'm not being arrogant. I stated a fact. You stated that you believe Hillary is the best of the three candidates. I asked you why you believe that since she lost. The fact is, Hillary is not the best. She did lose 11 states in a row to Obama. He won 35 states out of 50. That is why Hillary lost the nom. In my world the better man/woman usually comes out the champ.

          • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 07/01/2008 2:06:59 PM

            I do not understand these type of comments from Clinton supporters. What difference does it matter what we say about Clinton. There have been some really horrific comments left by Clinton supporters about Obama, but although they may anger me Clinton did not say them, so why would I hold these comments against her. I only hold people responsible for their comments.

      • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/30/2008 4:49:54 PM

        Jackie O wow that was beneath even me to post this.

      • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/30/2008 12:22:41 PM

        A lil short on content I see. Still yelling sniper fire lmao. I see you've moved past sticking to your pledge of public financing, I never heard one of these sermons before, Selma got me born, my father was a goat hearder WOW(Harvard educated goat hearder?) 57 states with 1 to go tomorrow,raised poor(gramma was a bank manager) AA should be based off of race/AA should be based off of class, I'll skip about 300 others and move directly to the best of all. CHANGE!!!!!!! LMAO

      • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/30/2008 11:44:49 AM

        Sarcasm in this campaign? I'm stunned .....

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/30/2008 9:53:54 PM

      If Hillary was the best of the three, please explain to all of us why she lost.

      • Posted By: News and Notes @ 07/01/2008 10:16:42 AM

        Obama was a better politician but he wouldn't make a better president. His constitutents, young, black, and rich make up about half of the Democratic electorate, but only about a third of the general electorate

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 06/29/2008 10:12:11 PM

    WARNING TO ALL OBAMAMOHAMMEDS...WATCH AT YOUR OWN RISK...DOES NOT MIX WELL WITH KOOL-AIDE............................ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDgc6tZTBpk ............................

    # of views has gone from ~200 to ~3000 in last few hrs.

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: metzlerd @ 06/30/2008 9:38:02 AM

      You forgot:
      What kind of a con man fails a lie detector test about the whole thing?
      What kind of a con man has a rap sheet?

      What do you have to say about this?
      "In addition to Sinclair's press conference, Whitehouse.com, a former porn site that is now a politics-related blog, is holding a subsequent press conference this afternoon at the press club to release the results of two polygraph tests that it administered to Sinclair this February, which Sinclair failed. The site has also promised to release a video of Sinclair as he was taking the two tests."

      "Sinclair's story about having used cocaine and having sex with Obama in 1999 is not credible," wrote Hamsher in her original blog post about the press club event. "As (the progressive activist Matt) Stoller says, it's another 'whitey' style rumor and we all know how quickly this stuff makes the leap from the right wing smear machine to Sean Hannity to Fox News and then alley-oops its way into the AP."

      "According to a report today in The Politico, Sinclair also has a long rap sheet, and is wanted in Colorado."
      http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/internet-outlet.html


      Here's my question. Why is it you and "Larry" seem to have more in common than what you seem to be reporting?

      • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/30/2008 1:05:02 PM

        Hey know it all,
        Only problem with your post is that Obama has admitted to crack cocaine use. So if your stating the person who said this is a liar, Obama is your man with the liar brand. Have fun with that for a minute

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/30/2008 2:44:54 PM

          He never once mentioned CRACK" Sen. Obama stated in his book that he tried cocaine during his college years.

          You are just such an AZZ!

          • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/30/2008 6:16:24 PM

            Hey, hey SJ, don't get me started on my favorite Larry/BO love song again: Hi-Ho, Hi-Ho ... it's off.....

            Well, you know the rest ...hehehe

  • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/30/2008 10:54:37 AM

    At the beginning of the month I thought the opposite would be true, but the more time that passes, the more I miss Hillary. Obama is a smooth talking under experienced liberal, and McCain doesn't know whether he is a maverick or a radical right wing republican. In the meantime, they are fatiguing the voters with their mud slinging. Change we can count on? Leadership we can count on? Not a chance from either one of these two.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 06/30/2008 7:45:09 PM

      How can you miss Hillary, she back....and climbing in bed with Obama. He's campaigning with her and he's hiring all her staff to run his campaign. Hillary hasn't left unfortunately. And before long we'll have to have Bill back too I suppose. Yuck.

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 07/01/2008 2:09:10 PM

        Lori, Clinton's staff is definitely NOT running Obama's campaign. He has agreed to try to find positions within his campaign, but he pretty much has his top staff in place.

    • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/30/2008 12:27:23 PM

      Yeah you knew it all a month ago didn't ya. Now, people like you *** e d the rest of us out of an opportunity to have a real president. Hilary was the only choice we had and people like you couldn't get over sniper fire for crying out loud. You were sold by a great salesman and now you feel the buyers remorse. I hope you feel as dumb as you sound, btw WHere the hell are all the college kids at now? Oh yeah, they moved on to the next season of the Hills and American Idol.

      • Posted By: Richard1327 @ 06/30/2008 6:22:03 PM

        DUDE, you just summed-up the entire 2008 primary and general election in one short paragraph. On behalf of the of people with IQs higher than a lab rat and the INTUITION to figure out who the candidates REALLY were, CONGRATULATIONS FOR PUTING IT INTO WORDS for the rest of the jack-ass population who just doesn't get it!

      • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/30/2008 12:46:40 PM

        What are you talking about? I am a very strong Hillary supporter. I was devastated when she didn't win the noomination. At the beginning of the month, at Hillary's request, I was hoping that I would warm up to Obama and move on. It hasn't happened yet, actually the opposite is true.

        • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/30/2008 1:44:14 PM

          My apologies sir,
          I am not familiar with you past support of Hilary so I retract my statement to you. I still feel the same way for the majority of Obama supporters whom throw stones and preach change and then in the same breath defend Obamas shady dealings. I am truely fed up with this missed opportunity we had with Hilary.
          Now what? We pick the least corrupt, of the remaining corrupt candidates.

          • Posted By: metzlerd @ 06/30/2008 4:35:56 PM

            Most of Obama's shady dealings were fairy tales from FOX News and YouTube.
            While some people focused on the "shady dealings", others did some fact checking.
            What are people supposed to think when there are so many people making up stories?
            You can't believe most of that garbage, and accurately call yourself an educated voter.
            If you don't necessarily believe it but you're repeating it anyway, then you aren't really any better than the rest of the corrupt politicians out there.

            It wasn't too long ago that the same group of people tried to tell us that John Kerry never actually served in vietnam. It turned out that Kerry was telling the truth all along, but because people didn't find out til after the election, 4 more years of George Bush.

            You'd do well to remember that if your going to go believing garbage like that.

            • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/30/2008 6:10:25 PM

              Ummm so you wish for us to believe nobody knew Kerry was a vet? OMG Public education right? The problem with Kerry was he turned on his fellow soldiers. REMEMBER? He said we Americans were doing horrible things over in nam. I guess he never noticed American soldiers with their dycks cut off and shoved into their mouths tied to a tree and skinned.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/30/2008 1:03:55 PM

          I feel you...write Hillary in, vote McCain or vote Nader....send the message to the DNC that they screwed up big time.

          • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/30/2008 1:35:25 PM

            The DNC and party elites pushed Obama all the way through. As soon as Hillary would get momentum, one of the partisan snobs (Kennedy, Richardson, Edwards) would come out and endorse Obama. The FL MI debacle fell right into their hands as well. I'm trying to get over it and move on, but this general election campaign so far has been horrible. Even in the rubble, Hillary is the only one showing leadership.

            • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/30/2008 2:09:05 PM

              Sounds like the boys club trumps party affiliation. The boys got together and that was the end of Hilary.

      • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/30/2008 1:56:19 PM

        Sportlock - news and notes is an HRC supporter...

    • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/30/2008 11:27:03 AM

      News and Notes - know how you feel...

  • Posted By: loriw @ 06/30/2008 4:41:06 PM

    Sen Obama is half Black and now he is half Clinton

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/30/2008 5:48:44 PM

      Lori,

      Just curious are you voting for McCain in this election?

      • Posted By: loriw @ 06/30/2008 7:25:21 PM

        sorry for the double post, computer is acting up tonight.
        NO, I have not made up my mind and will not until november. However the more the Obama campaign embraces the Clintons the more I lean toward McCain. I dispise the Clintons and have been clear on that since day one. If Hillary becomes the VP that will clinch my vote for Mc Cain. I believed that Obama was really about change but the more he gets in bed with the Clintons the more I have to question it. The Clintons are politics as usual only worse. Obama is taking on more of the Clinton staffers to run his campaign, so I am disappointed. I had hoped he would distance himself from the Clintons as I find the Clintons as offensive as Rev. Wright's preaching.

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 07/01/2008 2:02:16 PM

          lori,

          These are politicians, they have no choice but to work together towards the common goal of electing a Democratic president. I do not believe that they hate one another, they shouldn't.

      • Posted By: dreffein @ 07/01/2008 4:39:44 AM

        SJ - loriw has been for McCain all along. She turned her hate from the Clintons and towards Obama now that HRC is out. She's been playing Obama lover all along. Making a comment like "half black and half Clinton" exposes her deep hate for anything Democratic and shows her as the true bigot she has been all along..

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 07/01/2008 2:00:05 PM

          Hi Dreff,

          I agree before Lori was pro Obama, she has always venemently hated the Clintons, still unsure as to why, other than the cheating???? but now it seems that she hates Obama. So there is only one candidate left for her McCain. I am dissapointed in that. I really have no problem with those who vote for McCain because you share his views, although I am unable to understand their logic in doing so. But for people to vote their hate, that is a problem for me.

          It seems that lori now hates Obama because of his political associations with Sen. Clinton and her staff. This I do not understand.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/01/2008 7:23:08 AM

          I'm disturbed as to why anyone would actually hate a politician. They're human and make mistakes.

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 07/01/2008 11:52:46 AM

    Obama seemed to be pro Palestinian then shifted to become pro Israel. His buddy in Chicago Ali Abunimahsays this about Obama's political positioning:

    "Obama's about-face is not surprising. He is merely doing what he thinks is necessary to get elected and he will continue doing it as long as it keeps him in power. Palestinian-Americans are in the same position as civil libertarians who watched with dismay as Obama voted to reauthorize the USA Patriot Act, or immigrant rights advocates who were horrified as he voted in favor of a Republican bill to authorize the construction of a 700-mile fence on the border with Mexico."

    http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6619.shtml

  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 07/01/2008 10:53:24 AM

    GOODMORNING ALL!! LIFE IS JUST SO BEAUTIFUL!!!

    I don't see McCain's problems going away. Unless, he and Charlie Black get there wish.....a hopeful attack on US soil to "strengthen McCain's chances".

    Today's Gallup: "After more than a week of Barack Obama and John McCain being tied in Gallup Poll Daily tracking, Obama now holds a statistically significant five percentage point lead in the preferences of national registered voters, 47% to 42%, slightly larger than Sunday's 46% to 42% lead for Obama."

    It seems (no matter how the GOP tries to spin it) the American public knows exactly what Gen. Clark was vocalizing. Military service becomes a very touchy subject, especially when the experience includes the amount of sacrifice that McC endured. BUT, IT IS NOT AN AUTOMATIC QUALIFICATION FOR POTUS. This is simple commonsense, NOT A SMEAR or a dismissal of McC's record. The media (running out of talking points) is fanning the flames on an obvious non-issue.

    Don't forget Rasmussen: "Continuing the remarkable stability of recent weeks, the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows Barack Obama attracting 46% of the vote while John McCain earns 40%. When "leaners" are included, Obama leads 49% to 44%.

    What's interesting is McCain's military service is beginning to cause quite a stir. Folks want to know more about his experience in Vietnam, AND how he was allowed to serve after graduating at the bottom of his military class: "After high school, McCain was accepted to the United States Naval Academy, though he was not a strong student. He was often disciplined for misbehavior and ultimately graduated near the bottom-790th out of 795-of the class of 1958."

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_did_JOhn_McCain_rank_in_the_Naval_Academy_1958_class

    We just had 8 years of a C-average student running our country. NOW, we're going to elect an actual "FAILURE"?!?!?!?!!?

    Oh, almost forgot about you folks who dismiss the polls and would rather see the ELECTORAL MAP.

    RealClearPolitics has OBAMA leading by 78 electoral votes, and is leading in 5 out of 7 "battleground states".

    Have a great day!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/30/2008 9:32:13 PM

    KOOL-AID??????..From the kitchen of the obama sheeple!! take one heaping spoonful of an inexperienced elitist white male seeking self validation through exploitation of his african-american genetics. Combine two parts black liberation theology clerics spewing intolerance! With two parts of unrepentant intellectuals committed to the destruction of America. Stir in one cup of militant black wife harboring the overwhelming desire to stick it to whitey and one spoonful of typical white person grandmother mix well. Pour a gallon of anti-patriotism into tall glasses and sprinkle with naïve foreign policy ideations. Serve on a platter of meaningless oratorical hyperbole with a generous dollop of wealth re-distribution. Sprinkle liberally with zest of white guilt flip it and flop it till it tastes right. Serve large portions to the undiscerning and spellbound masses convinced that the Second Coming is upon America and now you have a complete recipe for disaster!

    • Posted By: amendment2man @ 07/01/2008 10:38:45 AM

      you sir are so correct that I think you should write for a publication. your analysis of this hack is so spot on.

      he really was for it before he was against it as usual.

      it's funny how thoughtful the posts are tha come out against obama. the posts supporting him are similar to the candidate....big on rhetoric short on substance. his supporters truly suit him that's seems to be why they are so jim jones cult-like.

    • Posted By: josemarti @ 06/30/2008 9:42:49 PM

      So well put. You forgot the two teaspoons of anti-semitism.

      • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/30/2008 10:05:33 PM

        You also forgot a 100 gallons of Lib-Bias Media ... hehehe

  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 06/30/2008 11:30:02 PM



    The only one wagging their tale about Barack Obama in regards to General Clark is you dead dog

    Nice try, walking dead hero, at the turn around. I'm Only talking about General Clark "The War hero" That actually has had the experience to make the judgments and he calls them like he sees them.

    I didn't see in his statement any Mention of Barack Obama

    Extend your stupid PAIN with your vote for McCain

    5:00am comes early
    have a good night posting


    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 07/01/2008 10:23:28 AM

      While I don't support McCain, Clark's comments were inappropriate, and they only help McCain's cause

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/30/2008 7:43:38 PM

    Mc Cain's chance was in 2000. He was ten times better than Bush (that doesn't say too much), but the Rove method of smear ate him up. He's too old and too late. It's sad but true. He's just spittin' into the wind.

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 07/01/2008 10:11:19 AM

      Actually McCain really doens't seem like he wants it very badly. He's running a 9 to 5 campaign ....

  • Posted By: Richard1327 @ 06/30/2008 6:03:31 PM

    When it comes to change, it doesn't begin with the president. "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" JFK. Change begins with each citizen in the USA living up to their potential, working as best they can, being the best parents they can, helping others and contributing to their communities. Change begins with each citizen registering to vote and voting for honest representatives who have the best interests of the people, the country and Earth in mind. Voting for the best qualified representatives at the local level ensures as they move up to the Senate, House of Representatives or a Governorship, they will maintain their pledge to represent the people. Everyone knew GW Bush was a loser from day one, but every kept voting him into a higher office and now the USA is a mess because of decisions people made at the most basic level.

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/30/2008 7:02:14 PM

      Good point Richard!

      Re: "Everyone knew GW Bush was a loser from day one, but every kept voting him into a higher office and now the USA is a mess because of decisions people made at the most basic level."

      Please America! Let's not make the same mistake! It would be a HUGE MISTAKE to put a ROOKIE SENATOR from nowhere into the W.H.!

      JUST SAY NO TO INEXPERIENCE!!!

      THANK YOU!!!

      • Posted By: merc Medic @ 07/01/2008 6:56:53 AM

        Have you ever compared the experience level of Obama with Lincoln? There are those (mostly northerners) who think Lincoln did OK, despite his inexperience. Their political experience is fairly similar, except that Obama has more time in the U.S. legislature. I'm not suggesting that Obama is a Lincoln (or god forbid a JFK) just suggesting that numbers aren't the story,.

  • Posted By: Coalition For a United America @ 06/30/2008 7:48:18 AM

    For those who believe in truth after 8 years of lies and decdeit and to see that Both parties are corrupt, Here is an article from FactCheck.org, an organization which supports neither party. This article is why we need a revolution in this country to take back our country from the pandering and lying and corrupt politicians:
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_lame_claim_about_mccains_money.html

    • Posted By: metzlerd @ 06/30/2008 4:11:31 PM

      That article doesn't say anyone is corrupt. It says McCain doesn't report taking very much PAC money. 1.7% or so. Because of that it says Obama is comments about McCain and lobbyists are overstated.

      The article glosses over a few facts, though, which might be more in keeping with your comments on corruption.:
      1) We learned when McCain was a member of the Keating 5 that he tends NOT to report certain things.
      So saying that he is not influenced by PAC's and lobbyists because he only reported getting 1.7% of his contributions from there may not mean a whole lot.
      2) PAC's and lobbyists are aware that we pay attention to this stuff, so it isn't easy to follow the trail. Simply looking at how much money McCain reports is almost laughable in this environment.

      Take the Swiftboat vets and George Bush.
      Bush reported for the whole campaign $2,545,821 from PACs, roughly 0.6% of his total contributions. Now you'd think that wasn't really that much.
      However T. Boone Pickens (Oil industry), Bob Perry (Largest Home Builder in Texas) each gave more than that entire reported PAC total to the swift boat vets 527 org. This group was setup solely to prevent Kerry from winning the election, and paid vets to lie to discredit Kerry's service in the military..
      Bob Perry is a member of the Council for National Policy a group which meets to secretly to exchange ideas between a membership that is also kept secret, but which describes itself as an educational group.
      Bob Perry is friends with Karl Rove as they have worked together on past campaigns.

      Should it have been reported as PAC money? Technically no because it's a 527 org. Did he get the money? Well no.
      Does he owe Bob Perry anything? Well, what do you think?

      • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/30/2008 6:13:23 PM

        In the 5th grade is this considered a legible sentence?
        You wrote (Because of that it says Obama is comments about McCain and lobbyists are overstated.)
        WTF does Obama is comments about McCain mean?

        • Posted By: merc Medic @ 07/01/2008 5:37:15 AM

          SPORTLOCK09
          My guess is that when you get to the 5th grade your teacher will probably explain it to you as a typo. However, until then you just keep asking questions. Thats how people learn.

    • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 06/30/2008 10:04:44 AM

      Make that 16 yrs of lies. Clinton was definitely no angel!

      • Posted By: amendment2man @ 06/30/2008 12:15:19 PM

        it very well be about 200 years of half truths. Dont be naive its nothing new and not unique to any administration.

        why do politicians pander? to fool you into thinking they are on your side. obama has recently pandered on the 2nd amendment issue. he knows that this will hurt him as the 2nd amendment support groups will surely not vote for him. he claims support for the Supreme ct, Decision yet he hails from an anti-gun environment and has a record which reflects his total opposition to legal gun ownership. what a hack! wait until november, all you obama kids better get new coloring books, crayons and kool aid.

        • Posted By: metzlerd @ 06/30/2008 6:59:59 PM

          The only thing your comments demonstrate is your lack of knowlege.
          Obama has been consistent on his stance on the 2nd amendment. He believes it is an individuals right to own a gun. He also believes that government has a right to regulate gun ownership. That's kind of a gray area, but that's just the way it is.

          His voting record supports this. The only thing that doesn't support it is some questionare that was found with handwriting on it. He says the questionare was filled out incorrectly by someone else. There is nothing to show that this claim is false, but a voting record along with statements made by him at various times regarding why he voted as he did that basically support what Obama says.

          Any statements where people say he is anti-gun regulation or anti-gun ownership are at most just opinion in the face of facts.

      • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/30/2008 11:05:32 AM

        Compared to Bush, Clinton was a saint !!

      • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/30/2008 10:50:30 AM

        Compared to Bush he sure was.

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