A Brutal Toll

It is clear on this site that there are more black racists than white, although world history shows that all races are brutal to others when they get the upper hand. Southern European slaves were kidnapped and traded for hundreds of years by African Muslims until the European rise to power. Arab Muslims carried off African and South Asians into slavery before that. Ghengis Khan had his day, as did the Aztecs and the Mayans. In reality it is amazing how Western ideals of freedom and liberty allowed European whites to completely and voluntarily yield the reigns of power - which is what led to transformation over time - not perfect, and not all at once, but truly a reality. Ironically the white supremacist government of Rhodesia also yielded power in this way with sad results. So for those of you quick to pick on whites or any other race, just remember that all races have blood on their hands, and it is a miracle, given the quantum European technological supremacy of the last two centuries, that it was their values of equality that probably prevented them from really doing a number on the less powerful.

It's ridiculous to say that the whites stole the land from blacks to begin with. You can argue with European colonization all you want but the land used for farming in the former Rhodesia was fallow land which is to say it was uninhabited. The whites concentrated their farming endeavors in the middle third of the country which was open. The Shona lived in the east and the Matabele lived in the west. No blacks were displaced by whites for farming. Through European brains a granary was developed in the middle third of the country which fed the inhabitants of the country and had plenty left over for export. If it wasn't for the European presence, there wouldn't be any commercial farms at all. Nothing for a black savavge like Mugabe to steal!

Hey Raven after you get done reading my response to you here, head on over to the post (Killer Exchange), under the international tab...You know where you stalked me to last time?...I posted some more Gems for you there too. Winko;)

'THE RAVEN' is one fine example of how most really young black men behave...Makes me proud to have the "repesentin" black man on this post...Raven seems not really interested in whats going on in the world, as his "homies" always monotonely "rap" about how you " have yo mind on yo food stamps and yo food stamps on yo mind "he gots his" and dont give a *** what happens to any of his fellow man black or white. Hey Raven try wearing a belt wit dos pants dat always be fallin down da butt...You look funny on COPS running while one hand is holding your pants and the other da crack dat u dont have 'G". Its even funnier when you run right out of your shoes while the police dog is chasing you (must be because you dropped out of 1st grade and didnt learn to tie them)...FO SHO!

As for his own patriotism, Obama said he chose Monday's topic in part because of questions raised during the presidential race so far, even though he had always considered his love of country a given, in fact his inspiration for running for office.

"I have found, for the first time, my patriotism challenged - at times as a result of my own carelessness, more often as a result of the desire by some to score political points and raise fears about who I am and what I stand for," he said before a crowd of a few hundred people at the Truman Memorial Building.
Reminds me of Nat Turner at the advent of "The War Between The States (The Civil War) In The United States Of America. Nat Turner and his black followers murdered entire families (including women and children - infants). Blacks of the USA came from just such ancestral headhunters, and cannibals (people eaters) from the Africas, Kenya. Obama - is one such questionable black who graduated to civilized society due to birth by a white mother although his blood father was a Kenyan. Obama may not be a cannibal, headhunter but his actions indicate arogance mixed with extreme hostility to the point of protecting his image as a patriot to the possiblity of losing ones head if they challenge his patriotism. Obama would take a head off if someone, anyone impuned his patriotism.
"I will never question the patriotism of others in this campaign, and I will not stand idly by when I hear others question mine," he said.
Exactly what Obama would do is not clear but if angered sufficiently would he resort to taking heads like his ancestors. Obama may not eat people but I am of the opinion he would put a head on a stake to intimidate those he consider his enemies.

Where did the blacks learned RACISM? Isn't it from the aliens who want to grab their ancestral land? During pre-colonialism and imperialism the blacks, brown, and yellow races concept of the land is that: it belonged to the common people. When foreign people arrived, they taught them that land should be possesed and showed them how to fight and die in order to own it.

What once was a rich and furtile land is now a poor country with staving people and money that is useless. Kill and whites and take over their land! They got what they wanted, now let them eat the results.

Violence towards others who harm you comes as a natural response. True. Yet, humans pride themselves on being able to consider alternatives and also being able to successfully implement them in a unbiased and fair manner. True. So I consider these attacks on farmers a horrendous crime. Race is not important, but only the protection of human rights for all human beings.

As for the issue of who owns the land and whether or not descendents of colonists actually have rights to the land in which they live and farm on, this is more complicated. The existence of these farms and many other structures in Africa, are remnants of a terrible time in Human history, i.e. obvious exploitive policies that dictated what was considered acceptable treatment of natives in a given land. Examples are numerous... see China, India, Australia, U.S.A., and etc.... This brings up the question of legitmacy and fairness (or does it? alternative view to be discussed).

Hard questions
Is it right for these remnants to remain?
who knows...

Easy questions:
Is murdering of these farmers right?
no

Is the murdering of these farmers based on skin color?
yes

Are they being used as a scapegoat for other problems?
of course

On a side note
it is interesting that they way in which the land in which they sit on was won in many cases... By peaceful negotiation? Some times, but it is also the case that violence is what now affords these farmers with the land in which they own and wish to protect from invasive forces. An interesting sidebar I suppose.

All races have committed the same crimes at different points in history. Must have something to do with us all being human, eh?

PS
Raven - how can you post such blather? I am white so does this make me all of the "animal f***ing, aryan, child molesting, serial killing etc etc etc", or do I have a choice between all those triats? Seems you are a shining example of intolerance. Thier are others, notably kingcroat, but that one rant is awe inspiring.

Truly,
ZTurlte aka"white animal"

pbpace - Julian Cobbbing is a him, not a her.

Hmmmmm....as I read this, it seems that this thread is full of wild claims. To whoever asserted that African on African slavery was a type of indentured servitude, you need to do a little more research. Mainly in the area of what is now known known as Benin, and parsts of Burkina Faso. Specifically the Dahomey Empire. They had a nasty habit of selling off thier niegbors and human sacrifice. Kinda like...well, any other member human races down through history?

Holy, you are really an idiot! Can't you read? There were 300 white farmers and now they are down to 30. The africans steal, take, you land, PERIOD! Look what they did to this poor man and his in laws! Republican has nothing to do with it... and your response is typical of a liberal... and idiot statement! Nothing new there! I just think if you don't believe it you should move your ass over there and see how long it takes for you to get beaten up and maybe killed and have your land taken away. If you think that's right you for sure should move there.. but better yet... if Obama is elected.. it just might be that way here..
NOBAMA!

I am so tired of these racial issues. When are mislead white people going to realize that we need to seperate ourselves from blacks. How many more innocent people will have to die on both sides.

The point is that people cannot go around claiming that white people invested invasions, explotation, slavery etc. thats the point.