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  • Posted By: Kingcroat @ 07/01/2008 2:05:47 PM

    Raven noone is impressed by your rantings. Would you not agree that the races should be seperated?
    Integration in the US has killed the black family and it social network. Don't you want a black country in the US run by and for black folks. let's stop the killing and BS.

    • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 07/01/2008 7:14:18 PM

      I'm not ranting, whitey. Do you honkies read from the same redneck book? Say anything truthful about you people that you don't like to hear (like the great Wright did), and you're ranting. Save it, white boy. Those days are gone. We don't give a fu*k about what you think about us--black people, that is. Hell yeah we should seperate. Once we started inner-grating with you animals, our whole way of life went to hell. You people are nothing but pedophiles, serial killers, spree killers, mass murderers, klan members, aryan nation members, neo-nazis, militia maniacs, mall murderers, college killers, school yard murderers, incest lovers, animal fu*kers, traitors to the country (look up the CIA, FBI, and Tim McVeigh, cracker), rapists, murderers of black children, church bombers...should I continue--animal?

      • Posted By: Kingcroat @ 07/02/2008 9:44:29 AM

        Good then we agree that we should seperate?

  • Posted By: cyrus.jechrifo @ 07/01/2008 10:38:39 PM

    The white farmers who bore the brunt of ZANU-PF's force are only paying what their forefathers had done during colonialism and imperialism era in Africa. Try to look back in history and it will tell you that it's not really good to covet other peoples land and the treasures that belonged to it. In the end there's no escaping the fact that you have to pay for it !

    • Posted By: no-american @ 07/02/2008 9:29:37 AM

      If your father was a murderer would it be right to execute you if he died before he could be punished? Same standard. GET OVER IT! MOVE ON! The world owes you NOTHING!!!!

  • Posted By: lyno46 @ 07/02/2008 7:10:13 AM

    Africa in general keeps falling on it's face and making bad situations worse. When will the point be increased wealth and health for all Africans and celebrate success and tax revenue . It is time to proceed to a life well lived not full of hate and resentment but instead personal empowerment and true pride. The United States of Africa( if it existed) could be a true world power imagine that.

  • Posted By: Yoshinogawa @ 07/02/2008 5:27:13 AM

    Mugabe...I don't think he can last much longer, is the feeling I get. Of course, there's that junta in Burma that's been hanging on for quite awhile, but eventually these regimes must all give way. It's basically a matter of when Fate will catch up with Mugabe (and Fate is awfully busy these days). To be free here in Canada is something really to be appreciated...and from this fortunate land, "the true north strong and free," I offer my deepest wishes to freedom seekers in Zimbabwe, that your country will find liberation soon.

  • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 07/01/2008 10:47:56 AM

    Nice job, Newsweek, continuing to fan the flames of racism.

    The overwhelming majority of people who have borne the brunt of Mugabe's thugs in Zimbabawe are not white, they are black.

    But just like in our country, black on black crime isn't news, but black on white crime is.

    A generation from now, Africa's tragedies will make the present extremists in the Middle East look like a tea party. We "had" to intervene because Sadam was a monster, gassing his own people, but we are more than content to stand back and ignore Rwanda, Zimbabawe and the rest of Africa's crimes against humanity, and why?

    Because Africa doesn't have anything we want - or rather, the West has already cornered the market on African diamonds and gold.

    Now, if we should happen to discover vast amounts of oil reserves under the Serengetti, watch how fast Africa will suddenly appear as one of our national interests.

    Come on, Newsweek, why don't you write the real story of Africa's tragedy, instead of picking a story guaranteed to push the "black uprising against whites" button, in an election year with both a black and white presidential candidate?

    • Posted By: figurinoutlife @ 07/01/2008 1:26:09 PM

      You haven't thought this through C. MacLean:
      1) Nigeria is one of the world's top oil producers
      2) Black on white crime makes less news than white on black crime
      3) Racism, when first defined, was supposed to be about an irrational hatred for other races. Now it just means "you said something about my race I don't like". Who's really to blame for the negative view whites have of Zimbabwe - Newsweek or Mugabe?

      • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 07/02/2008 1:38:25 AM

        1) Yes, Nigeria has oil - my point was that if Zimbabwe had oil, we would be invading now in the interestes of national security or some other nonsense, but because it doesn't, we are content to sit back and look the other way, just as we did in Rwanda.

        2) In the US, black on white crime makes far more news than white on black crime - just check out any local nightly news cast - but black on black crime makes almost no news at all. Newsweek is making a big deal about 30 white farmers, but the fact that Mugabe has tortured and killed thousands of blacks doesn't even get mentioned.

        3) Racism is more than irrational hatred - it is a systematic way of thinking about and talking about another group of people in a derogatory way. It is judging a whole race by the behavior of one or two people, also known as stereotyping.

        As for whites having a negative view of Zimbabwe, I doubt most Americans could even find it on the map before this month. And thanks to this article, their view is now about how a few white farmers are being targeted when the real story is how evil Mugabe is to all of his people.

        No, I've thought it through quite a bit, and I stand by my original statements.

  • Posted By: tombizodwa @ 07/02/2008 1:21:25 AM

    Charles Davy not Devy...

  • Posted By: tombizodwa @ 07/02/2008 1:14:21 AM

    Mugabe does not hate all whites in Zimbabwe. He is a hypocrite. White Zimbabweans, like Charles Devy, who owns safari, about 3367 square kilometres, in Zimbabwe and the is father of Chelsy Davy, the girlfriend of Britain's Prince Harry still enjoy Zimbabwe.

    Mirror on Jun 27, 2005 wrote "In recent days her dad, safari operator Charles Davy, has been fiercely criticiz(s)ed for his links with Robert Mugabe's regime in Zimbabwe...."

    Quoted by the Daily Telegraph, Charles Davy defended himself, "I am not involved in politics in any way, but I reserve my right of association, as any person should, and I really do not see that the leaders of any political party have the right to choose my friends or business associates." In June 2005, Zimbabwe's opposition MDC criticized Davy's links and said "If people like Charles Davy are indirectly involved in businesses with the regime, they ... should be included on the list" http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15580353-23109,00.html

    On December 19, 2004, The New York Daily ran a headline " Harry Babe's Dad is Mugabe's Pal" http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2004/12/19/2004-12-19_harry_babe_s_dad_is_mugabe_s.html

  • Posted By: tombizodwa @ 07/02/2008 12:25:17 AM

    I am a black Zimbabwean and denounce any violence on any Zimbabwean whether black or white. Both whites and blacks are suffering because of one man. This is not a race game. Mugabe's real last name is Matibiri, and his father is from Malawi. His mother is a Zimbabwean from Zvimba. Mugabe's rural home at Kutama mission is run by white Jesuit priests. The late, Jesuit priest, Fr. O'Hea, the surrogate father of Mugabe, was white. He helped ambuya Bona, Mugabe's mother, when Matibiri, the husband and father of Mugabe ran away with another wife when Mugabe was 10. Mugabe continue to dress in Western suits, and you tell me he does not like the white man. Why can't he dress like Kaguvi our great liberator of 100 years ago. Mugabe eats with white priests and is a die hard Catholic. He is a hypocrite. Like him, my rural home is in Zvimba, and happen to have Malawian blood like him. In addition, I have Mozambican, South African, and Zimbabwean blood in my lineage. My ancestors came for to Zimbabwe a century ago to work in the mines and on the farms. I am black, and proud of the diversity in Zimbabwe. My fiance is white, and can't wait to add color to the world.

  • Posted By: cyrus.jechrifo @ 07/01/2008 10:35:16 PM

    The white farmers who bore the brunt of ZANU-PF's force are only paying what their forefathers had done during colonialism and imperialism era in Africa. Try to look back in history and it will tell you that it's not really good to covet other peoples land and the treasures that belonged to it. In the end there's no escaping the fact that you have to pay for it !

  • Posted By: CaBez @ 07/01/2008 12:29:16 PM

    I apologize, I did not give credit where credit is due: Blacks DO contrtibute, they ensure that there are plenty security firms around, insurance companies get to charge incredible premiums, and luxury car makers get to sell plenty cars to overpaid and underworked bureaucrats. Give credit due : blacks make GREAT thieves, they can steal anything from under anybody's nose. They even manage to steal South Africa from the whites ,albeit with a little (lots of) help from the western world, specifically Britain.

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 07/01/2008 8:36:09 PM

      What's wrong?

      Lose your wife to a black man?

      Daughter marry a black man?

      Son marry a black man?

      I truly pity you...

    • Posted By: dark.energy363 @ 07/01/2008 1:58:23 PM

      CaBez - apprarently your stuppidity is limitless, Steal So.Africa???You're kidding me dude. Exactly who stole what from whom?

  • Posted By: TMic @ 07/01/2008 11:18:50 AM

    Please... spare me the crocodile tears. This has been going of for a couple of decades and just now Newsweek decides it is important! The people of Zimbabwe voted for Mugabe years ago and they now have the man they wanted. It is no one's business but theirs to fix and I recommend that this farmer, like many of the other whites, leave for greener pastures. There are many African countries offering land to experienced farmers.

    No doubt the West will be blamed for standing by, but then we get blamed for stepping in. This is for Africans to settle....... if they want to. Otherwise, have a nice day.

    • Posted By: African-white @ 07/01/2008 5:22:08 PM

      You are a sad person. How would you feel if people kill your family because you are american and take your home. And then someone tells you that you should leave your contry (one you have protected under librity for years ) because they want it? Look in the mirror. ANow do youlike what you see?

      • Posted By: TMic @ 07/01/2008 7:55:29 PM

        If that white farmer wishes to stay and fight for his farm or his country, more power to him. If , after 2 decades of rapes, beatings and murders, he wishes to stay and put his wife and children in such obvious danger, he is a fool. It is because that I would not want my family killed that I would leave. How can you defend someone who risks the lives of his children because he cannot adapt to the reality around him. So, I have empathy, but no sympathy. Zimbabwe is about to go down the tubes and I think we should let it. That farmer can take his family to many African countries where they have very elaborate programs encouraging white farmers to work there. He is still in Africa and .... his family is alive. If you remember one of his first thoughts was about the safety of his wife and child, thousands of whites have considered that long before this man and have chosed to emigrate. Wake up and smell the coffee.

    • Posted By: African-white @ 07/01/2008 5:30:46 PM

      Yes you are right they have been doing this a long time but there are only 30 left.And that makes it important. You say they should just leave. How would you deal with it? No please let me awnser that for you. "I will move". Now after you say that lest see, shall we. You have lived there all your live and so did your family before you. You worked hard for everything you have and you love your country. Now everyone you know is being killed around you and you have no where to go and reacing out doesnt do you any good as this blog shows. Now what? Are you going to stand and fight for your country?

  • Posted By: Kingcroat @ 07/01/2008 12:16:15 PM

    True, and Hitler wanted to avoid war with England. It was the war monger Churchill who brought the war.

    • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 07/01/2008 7:19:51 PM

      I like you, croat. You are the dumbest person here--and you are not afraid to show it. I have read some stupid things here, but what makes you so funny is that you say the dumbest things--AND YOU'RE SERIOUS ABOUT IT!! You are one funny european. An idiot--but a funny one.

  • Posted By: Kingcroat @ 07/01/2008 2:57:55 PM

    I am far from a christian. I am a European first. Christianity is a foreign religion that was brought into Europe.
    It is semetic.

    • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 07/01/2008 6:54:04 PM

      Dude--you makin' me laugh so hard...I can't take it no more. Man, do you know how it sounds (ok, I can't hear you, but I can imagine you saying it out loud) when you say you're "a European first"? First, you sound like a moron. You must have discovered meth. Croat, huh? Are you from that place where stupid whites were killing each other--over...? Bet you were. You sound so proud to be european. Or do you mean just white? europe is so unstable. If it was not for the U.S., you honkies would be speaking russian and german by now. Miss hitler, do you? How many women and girls did you rape?
      White race--first victim? SHUT UP, STUPID! What fu*king book are YOU reading from? You whites rewrite history so fast, you people are starting to believe your own propaganda.
      But you're right about one thing, though, redneck--religion sucks! You, too.

  • Posted By: dark.energy363 @ 07/01/2008 10:25:27 AM

    Can you feel the love in here? God must be pleased, if there were a god. And there isnt. With Religion simply being a tool of the ruling class. But i digress. We should feel sorry for anyone dying needlessly white or black. Also, you have both good and bad in ALL races. But lets be fair here. The land that these farmers now live on was/is il gotten gain. They have no more inherent right to it than say the white man has to this counrty. One small difference is that here the Native American has no power to do anything and over there the natives are in the majority. Obvioulsy Mugabe is a thug who should be gotten rid of, but that does not chance the fact that this land was acquired thru brutality. One who lives by the sword, if you will. And BTW, Africans can and did rule themselves long before the Europeans Missionarys took it upon themselves to "Spread the Love of God" in Africa. sic.

    • Posted By: pbpace @ 07/01/2008 6:43:03 PM

      This is/was a silly post to start with...why cut and paste it three times?

    • Posted By: panhandle @ 07/01/2008 10:55:01 AM

      Looks as though the Africans are stealing the land back from the Europeans who stole it in the first place.

  • Posted By: techresmgt @ 07/01/2008 2:11:28 PM

    'The Raven' maniac. Apparently seeing racism in everyone and everything but himself. Why does he believe anyone on the planet has to blame his race to make themselves 'feel better'? We can get along fine without the likes of his rabid, racist, and hypocritical diatribe. He should also look into a quality spell check application. If a Caucasian individual was verbally abusing a Black person's views in the same manner of speaking as 'The Raven', the sky would be falling, lawsuits would be launched, and Mugabe would be flying in for the roast. The issues of entitlement exhibited by this individual is usually reserved for the ladies, is it not? It should not be condoned in this venue. Happily and hopefully, 'The Raven' does not represent the views of the majority of those in his ethnic group. Racial slurs and profiling are not welcome here.

    • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 07/01/2008 6:41:42 PM

      Wait--tech--let me stop laughing! Are you new in town, idiot? Are you not reading what your fellow honkies are saying? You sound like a damn fool. You honkies are using racists slurs all over the place. You rednecks are so stupid. You see it, but you figure if you ignore it, it's not real. IF you were verablly abusive?Dumbass--YOU ARE! But that's ok, whitey. I can take it. This "venue" represents "FREE SPEECH", moron. Aparently, there are no schools in your trailer park, huh? SO, if you don't like it, leave it!
      Don't want to shock you, white boy (like rev. WRIGHT did to you pasty faces), but, yep, many in my "ethnic group" feel the same way I do. That don't surprise you--does it--whitey?

  • Posted By: wildlifeusa @ 06/30/2008 5:53:43 PM

    Africans are not able to govern themselves, because they are tribal societies and they will kill eachother. Of course, whites should have never colonized africa, but we still brought them some good like building cities and roads, water wells and medecine. I feel sorry for the whites who were borned there. They are zimbabee citizens and where could they go?? South africa maybe?

    • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 06/30/2008 7:07:00 PM

      Yeah, jackass, If only they had leaders like Hitler, Stalin, mooseleeni, BUSH! Shut your stupid a$$ mouth. However bad Africa is is due to the raping of their wealth by whitey, murdering their leaders, and the fathers of future leaders. Whites have never done anything for Africa, moron. Every place in Africa that you white animals have gone to turned that place into a sewer. I don't feel sorry for any of those white devils over there. Why don't you go over there and offer your assistance--you're full of ***.

      • Posted By: PINKFELINE66 @ 07/01/2008 2:26:08 PM

        Wow Raven, was to use that education white America gave you. You seem to be using it well. 'White Devils"??? Do you people still actually use that phrase? You've come a long way since slavery. Way to go idiot. Now go off and have your mammy make you a voodoo doll to play with. YOU are the one who needs to go to Africa if you hate it here so much. Yea, I agree that slavery was bad - bad for Americas future to keep you animals here...

        • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 07/01/2008 6:18:36 PM

          You people? Mammy? Voodoo doll? Animals? Slavery was bad? You're not a racist, are you? But I like you, white trash. Thanks for the laugh. Or should I call you pink trash? Feline, huh? I'm gonna take a wild guess and say you're a female piece of white trash (We still use the phrase "white trash", too witch). The kind that grew up in a trailer park and was first fu*ked by her father, uncles, and brothers before she was ten. Bet YOUR mammy just stood there and watched, too--didn't she? You white females are so weak-minded. Speaking of animals, how many dogs and horses have YOU fu*ked? There's a thousand pornographic web sites showing you nasty, trashy white female animals fu*king all kinds of barn yard animals. Snakes, too. And your redneck men with their little--what do you call them...C. O. C. K. S, can't leave the sheep and chickens alone.
          Don't play with dolls, pig--but I'd like to play with you. Ever had a black man? Betcha wanna!
          I see the schools in the trailer parks have failed you. Why don't you put that meth down, stop fu*king your daddy (and brothers, and cousins, and uncles, and the family dog), and read a fu*king book.

      • Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/30/2008 7:34:59 PM

        Understandable sentiment but not quite true to my thinking. A lot of the former colonies had better standards of living for their citizenry than the current post-colonies. They usually treated the Africans like ***, but the sewers did run okay in a lot of places.

        The tragedies have had more to do with the exploitation and exportation of natural resources, the racism and arms dealing, and the creation of artificial colonial borders that do not follow ethnic lines. This is a big problem in the Middle East too.

        (I'd say the slave trade was much worse than colonialism, personally. And one of the most barbaric things of the modern era, next to the current wars.)

        • Posted By: pbpace @ 07/01/2008 3:01:57 PM

          Hey my friend... me again. Please keep in mind that if we're talking about Zim. we're talking about much more than sewer service degradation. The whole civil society and the ability of the country to feed itself have been irreparably (IMO) harmed. This is a sad turn of events for the former bread basket. I also agree with your comments regarding the artificial, colonial-inspired borders not following homogenous ethnic lines. The exploitation of natural resources was also deleterious. Please note, however, that it would appear that environmental degradation and species loss appears to be accelarating in the post-Colonial world. I'm thinking here especially of the Congo but also Zim. With regards to the slave trade - a horrendous black eye on western history no doubt. An institution facilitated, however, not just by the European colonialists but also Arab traders and other (black) African tribal groups. These tribes often turned over their vanquished enemies to the middle men (Arabs) - many people and groups had their hands in the proverbial cookie jar. The true tragedy is that the Trade continues unabated in many areas of Africa almost 150 years after the Emancipation Proclamation.

        • Posted By: vze1otlj @ 06/30/2008 7:53:38 PM

          Typical. The black man is never responsible for anything. If the white man would just get his foot off of my throat...

          Rhodesia was a very prosperous nation for a long time. It has only taken a short while to almost completely destroy it.

      • Posted By: CaBez @ 07/01/2008 12:45:37 PM

        NAme one thing of substance that blacks have done in Africa, you racist

        • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 07/01/2008 1:55:28 PM

          Black Africans or black Americans? cabez, I could tell you a lot of things that BLACKS have done in Africa, pig, but why don't you take your dumbass to the library and find out for yourself. You white racists don't have a clue about the contributions that black Americans have made in this country, how the fu*k are you trying to pretend you know anything about Africa--except what you've seen in tarzan movies?

    • Posted By: Mzalendo @ 06/30/2008 8:10:12 PM

      South Africa is still in Africa, maybe you want to invite them to come here.

  • Posted By: Jeray @ 07/01/2008 2:03:08 PM

    i dont understand what the freak you all are talkin about. Between racism, ignorance. and jus plain stupidity i am disgusted. Someone said "name one thing blacks have done of substance in Africa." You are seriously the stupidest person i've seen right now. Firsty let me point out that the so called "Middle East" is apart of Northeastern Africa... pick up an atlas. Next, Blacks can not be called blacks in their native land so scrub it from your vocab they're africans! Now let me get to the point. So called "Blacks' in Africa has catapulted this world to the sucess it is now. Algebra was invented by and perfected by Muslims in the now Iraq. Beutiful Architecture and works of art were depicted in these lands. Egypt. one of the most well known places in the world is home to the pyramids andd secrets still uknown to the day. Also Timbuktue was the learning center of the world with magnificent libraries and structures. So learn your history people. The decline of Africa did not begin with the colonization by Europeans but by the military campaigns of such WHITE EUROPEAN leaders such as Alexander the Great, The Romans, and Napolean. These peoplle were in awe of the standard of living and advancements of the African people. This soon led to anger and jealousy causing them to destroy the library at Timbuktue(along with the only copy of some books), the execution of innocent peolpe( Jesus- who was also a black african), and also the desecrating of such monuments such as the pheonixes in Egypt. While the colonization of Africa was the breaking point there were incidents before that! Overall you must learn your history , learn more than you do at school. Especially in America where we are brainwashed early to belive in stateism and what hear is right. Africa is the motherland. While white people are my brothers and sisters i cannot except you knowing that your feelings of superiority towards me will cloud your thoughts. the only thing that makes you white is the lack of magllelum(or skin pigment that absorbs sunlight). I live by a higher law that America was founded on a is probably the only thing that keeps the world in balance if it was followed: do what u say youll do, and dont encroach on anyone elses property. DUH!!!!!! i am a highscool student at East Forsyth and i love history. Learn it!!!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: pbpace @ 07/01/2008 4:22:14 PM

      WIth all due respects you seem to use black and African interchangeably. Are you saying anyone from the African continent is black? The "...Middle East" is apart of Northeastern Africa". It would be more to correct to say that The Middle East could be broadly construed to cover parts of Northeast Africa as well Southwest Asia. "Algebra was invented by and perfected by Muslims in the now Iraq".. Algebra has its origins in ancient Babylon and was perfected by an individual that lived in Africa (Alexandria) but who was of Greek (Hellenistic) origin. The Persians and Arabs of the Middle East also made important contributions. Fair enough, many of the rest of your comment contains baseless claims (e.g., Jesus was black). You are free to believe what you want but please present as your opinion and NOT fact. You also make many blanket statements about white prejudice. While it might be true for some it is not true for the whole white race. I think you harbor some prejudice of your own - again your right ,but don't project your hostility upon me. BTW, the thing (or lack thereof) that makes whitey so white is melanin and not "magllelum".

  • Posted By: dark.energy363 @ 07/01/2008 4:12:45 PM

    As i have stated earlier there is both bad and good in ALL races. It is a part of the human condition to be fearful,brutal and selfish. I mean the NA had african slaves. Talking about the oppressed being the oppressor. All races fall short. But if we are to govern ouselves as some here have stated whereby we simply kick the livin s**t out of our less armed brethren, we are no better than wild beasts. One would hope that we are evolving past this shortsighted view of interpersonal relations other wise we are doomed.

  • Posted By: Kingcroat @ 07/01/2008 3:01:06 PM

    No we shouldn't just invade someone because they are weaker. We need to respect our differences and preserve them. I am not sold on this lets all mix together and become half-breeds. that the MTV generation has. Nature or if you will god made us who we are. Respect what has been created.

  • Posted By: Kingcroat @ 07/01/2008 2:22:11 PM

    To set the record straight once and for all.

    As far as racial invasions the white race was the first victim. Europe was attacked looted and raped on numerous occasions by:

    Turks
    Arabs
    Huns
    Mongols
    Moors
    Avars



    So what happened. Well the europeans turned the tide and grabbed the upper-hand.
    So

    • Posted By: dark.energy363 @ 07/01/2008 2:29:33 PM

      And your point is what Kingcroat- we should simply invade anyone weaker?? How christian of you. As a matter of fact i would expect nothing less from a so called Religious christian types.

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