‘The Wild Horse Is Us’

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  • Posted By: retired n @ 07/02/2008 1:32:32 PM

    posted by: lpc-58@----- I think that the government should worrie more about the rising gas prices, than killing off the wild horses. The money that they use to kill off the wild horses could be used for better things. I bet that the person who come with this idea never saw the wild horses. All they want is to put more in there pocket

  • Posted By: desertdonkey @ 07/02/2008 12:31:30 PM

    (rest of my comment)


    That in turn causes problems with the desert tortoise and grouse populations. YES, ravens are the #1 killer of desert tortoises. You find their shells under the telephone poles out here. The ravens just pillage them (and fyi, desert tortoises are very common / non-threatened species. that's a bleeding heart tactic nefariously used to shut down desert land to dirtbikers.. there are so many baby desert tortoises in captivity (legally) here every spring, they can't even give them away.. it's ludicrous).

    So yeah.. there's my rag. I am VERY ticked at the Bureau of Land Managment for NOT paying their contracted employees. They are not paying her and they even ask her to do work that is not on the contract. She is so nice that she does it (not been paid in 2 months!.. and she won't even get the back check when (if?) she does get paid).

    The horses and donkeys are thrashing wonderful ecosystems they should not even be a part of.

    The BLM does not properly dispose of dead donkey and horse carcasses (should bury them). This allows ravens and coyotes to grow in numbers that the desert ecosystem would not support under natural circumstances.. this impacts severely the desert tortoise and chukker (I said 'grouse' above, I meant chukker) populations. Stupid.

    And the horses / donkeys are trash.. just not good breeding. The whole "mystique" thing is garbage that whining bleeding hearts use to keep these trashy welfare fed (YOUR tax dollar) animals alive.

    and people who KNOW.. right or left wing, do not want these animals around. At least not in the numbers that they are in. It's ludicrous.

    • Posted By: horse luvr @ 07/02/2008 1:32:28 PM

      We are not discussing registration qualifications. Wild horses, donkeys, and burros are survivors despite their breeding practices. The trash breeding that you mention is from to small of herds to allow stallions to battle for herd domination to prevent inbreeding thus trashing the species.

      Your lady friend that you are so worried about... She can choose to stay there or to leave..Life is all about choices.

    • Posted By: hsineexas @ 07/02/2008 12:47:04 PM

      Well thank God it isn't up to you! You are part of the problem, and belong in the box with the rest of the greedy, ignorant, mindless politicians.

  • Posted By: oldseal65 @ 07/02/2008 1:32:17 PM

    This is just another example of the inability of out government to do anything with out completely (&^$% it up.
    Everytime "we" stick out collective noses into the natural order of things we demonstrate just how incapable we truely are. Just leave the thing of nature to nature. The big ranchers have enough land and what little those horses will eat or drink will not effect one head of beef. and it won't raise the price of beef either.


  • Posted By: goodgunguy @ 07/02/2008 1:26:11 PM

    Survived the Ice Age? Mustangs were dropped of by Spanish invaders. How much more of the story is bogus if the writer can't even get the first paragraph straight? Horses are great creatures, but no more sacred than any other animal. Sound wildlife management is the only way to protect our eco-systems... So, we cull the herds... natural selection is gone. Humans have pushed out the predators. Now we need to manage things. This should not be an argument based on emotion.

    • Posted By: msjane @ 07/02/2008 1:31:19 PM

      Cattle cause more damage to the environment than wild horses. I want to protect the wild horses and let them run free in the West.

  • Posted By: wildlifebio84 @ 07/02/2008 1:28:44 PM

    Couldn't agree more debbier!!!

  • Posted By: renobanker @ 07/02/2008 1:28:43 PM

    Of course the wild horse survived the ice age or they wouldn't be here today. They evolved in North America and did just fine here until the arrival of mankind. They made it through many ice ages but did not survive the last one in North America. However they thrived in Asia. The point is they do just fine in North American if left alone. If they overpopulate nature takes its course. Leave them alone and let them live and die free.
    I am a strong wild horse advocate who lives in Nevada- wild horse roam the hills above my home. I am also a Republican. All this Bush bashing is just petty politics. Sen John Ensign of Nevada, a repuplican and former veterinarian, helped lead the fight to ban the sale of wild horses for slaughter. Contact him or Sen Harry Reid or your local representatives and urge them to stop the destruction of the wild horse.

  • Posted By: labradorlover @ 07/02/2008 1:28:34 PM

    NO, NO, NO..... WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD. HORSES CAN BE TRAINED. THERE ARE MORE STATES IN THE U.S. THAT THESE HORSES CAN BE SENT TO, TRAINED AND LOVED JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ANIMAL. CAN YOU LOOK INTO THEIR EYES AND TELL THEM THEY ARE NEXT IN LINE???? HOW ABOUT MICHAEL VICK'S DOGS. THEY ARE NOW BEING TRAINED AND PUT INTO LOVING HOMES. PEOPLE HAVE TO START THINKING WITH THEIR HEARTS AND NOT WITH THEIR POCKETBOOKS. SORRY TO BE ONE OF THE MANY WHO LOVE ANIMALS. I JUST RESCUED A DOG, HOW ABOUT YOU?

  • Posted By: beltwaybrian @ 07/02/2008 1:06:07 PM

    Euthanize this Administration.

    • Posted By: BIFFBIRD @ 07/02/2008 1:28:33 PM

      AMEN....START AT THE TOP!!! I THINK HE HAS BEEN EUTHANIZED FOR A WHILE ..WELL THE BRAIN ANYWAY.
      PAT O

  • Posted By: Mike92630 @ 07/02/2008 1:26:30 PM

    This article starts with a falsehood (unfortunate misconception?) "After surviving the ice age . . . ".
    Wild horses in the American west are the animal equivalent of "invasive nonnative plants" i.e. weeds.
    They are no more or less "natural" and noble than cows, chickens, pigs, goats, or russian thistles.

    Aren't articles in Newsweek supposed to be at least factually correct?

  • Posted By: alimoss58 @ 07/02/2008 1:26:12 PM

    We should not take out the problems that people and livestock put on the land on the Mustang. The Wild Horse is what America is all about. There has got to be a better way if we truly have to watch the population of the herds. Have you thought of spraying or neutering the animals in a effort to control the population. It is just like our goverment if they can't control it just kill it.....

  • Posted By: MJ35 @ 07/02/2008 1:25:57 PM

    OK, YOU PEOPLE WHO ARE DEBATING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HORSES EXISTED DURING THE ICE AGE ARE COMPLETELY MISSING THE POINT HERE.

  • Posted By: KTigresss @ 07/02/2008 1:25:13 PM

    It seems like it will never end. Human beings killing off every other kind of species to make
    way for more of us, more of our waste, more of our garbage...LET THEM BE. Simply. They
    are gorgeous creatures who have just as much right to live here as we do.

  • Posted By: kwhorseluver @ 07/02/2008 1:24:35 PM

    samtoi! thank you for also speaking some sence. the horses need controled! maybe not exterminated. but for sure controlled. there was some gal on here earlier saying y don't they just give the horses to people. most people can't afford horses let alone handle the responsibilty. it's 20$ a bale of general hay. a horse goes through a bale a week. when you own a horse you can't just feed them hay they take suppliments and grain. plus you have wormer. plus the removinng of waste. plus where are you going to keep them? be realistic. do you really think that the government would want to upset this many people? if there was an easy way out they would have done it. but it's gotten to a pinical point with the wild horses. and this is their solution.

  • Posted By: josiearb@msn.com @ 07/02/2008 1:24:27 PM

    This is the last of America's totally free horses! How can anyone even consider ending their existence?
    This is truly an outrage! What is even more appallling is that this type of end is even being considered!!
    SHAME ON AMERICA IF THIS IS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN!!! SHAME ON US!!

  • Posted By: desertdonkey @ 07/02/2008 12:27:45 PM

    A couple of things here..

    First, there's a "BLM Wild Horse & Burrow Facility" just outside of Ridgecrest, California (I can see it from my place). A nice young gal moved down from Susanville to work a feeding contract for the horses and burrows (donkeys). The contract stipulates that the employees get paid one time per month.

    Well.. apparently some federal employees were cut (let go) in the Denver office. These were people that handled paying the people contracted to feed the wild horses and donkeys. So my new friend hasn't been paid in nearly 2 months... which means her bills are LATE and she will have to pay LATE FEES and her CREDIT will be affected.

    I have asked her to let me contact the BLM regarding this, but she is too nice to let me get involved in this. OH, and get this.. when she does get paid, it won't be for the check she should be receiving this month, but for the one that she didn't get last month. So she'll still be off by one paycheck.

    So these horses and donkeys.. most people just don't get it. They are an invasive species. They do not belong in the environment they are in. They are causing disastrous problems to amazing riparian habitats in desert areas.. just stomping down plants and defecating all over the place and especially in the streams. RUINING them. It is disgusting.

    Their populations are not in check and they are competing for resources that native species should be using. They are a superfluous tax on Americans.. a "welfare cost" as I put it. Not only is the upkeep of the horses expensive (well, as I said, the Bureau of Land Managment is NOT paying my friend and causing her a large degree of financial harm, not to mention how bad it is psychologically to be in fear of not getting paid, then not getting paid and having to borrow money for things like FOOD)... but there are a lot of federal employees associated with the "managment" of these horses and donkeys. STUPID.

    This is horse welfare. It's stupid. The adoptions do NOT work. People do NOT want these haggard animals (buy horsing standards, these critters are TRASH.. inbred, diseased.. just eating and defecating welfare recipients). The adoptions only further some bleeding heart welfare agenda because
    1 - the horses and donkeys cost.
    If BLM really wanted to get rid of these things, they'd GIVE THEM AWAY

    2 - you do NOT own the horse or donkey for one year
    That's right, it's still property of BLM / Federal Government for one year, even though you have to pay to feed it, etc.

    I dunno.. I think the BLM is poorly managed organization and they poorly manage the land. Get this, when a horse or donkey dies out here, they just put it in a pit and don't even bury it. The coyotes and ravens just go to town, thus allowing them to populate in numbers in that the land would not naturally allow. In other words, they get a massive free food source, which in turns allows ravens and coyotes populations to grow larger than they would n

    • Posted By: horse luvr @ 07/02/2008 1:23:45 PM

      desertdonkey - You mention the wild horses are an invasive species live in desert areas, stomping on plants and defecating.... What about us are we not the invasive species to the horses, buffalo, native americans, etc? Will you tell me what herbivour is able to flourish in a desert with very little to eat. The defacating problem? Where does your body waste end up? The problem with leaving the carcasses for the carnivours to eat... That's all part of our life cycle. One dies so another will live. Please rethink your viewpoint.

    • Posted By: hsineexas @ 07/02/2008 12:40:36 PM

      What is disgusting is your viewpoint! You must be a very unhappy, uneducated person, because you do not quite understand this delicate situation. People like YOU are who continue to pollute the government agencies with their hardened, money-craving hearts. God forbid we should actually care about something other than our own pocketbooks. The American mustang is NOT an invasive species, nor are they trash. I am ashamed that I have to call people like you my fellow citizens. You are who truly is in need of euthanization and slaughter!

  • Posted By: agriff @ 07/02/2008 1:23:34 PM

    That is the most disgusting thing I have read in a while, and in my job, I read some pretty awful things. We talk about the conservation of our nation and of its natural beauties, yet propose to go so far as to kill herds of these wild horses? Last option or not, its an option on the table right? As if it wasnt bad enough we come in and take the land from the native people to begin with, and put restrictions on their cultures and the way they live, but, now we want to take over where the animals have roamed freely since ling before our presence? Proposterous. To look any decent human in the eye and propose this measure, is an insult, and a confirmation of just how JACKED up we ourselves can be. Now... I digress.

  • Posted By: wildlifebio84 @ 07/02/2008 1:23:24 PM

    Horses, the genus Equus, actually originated and evolved here on the North American land mass. Horses are truly an American icon and also a North American Icon. During the Pleistocene and Eocene, horses thrived; they were a little different than the modern horse we know today, but none the less, they actually belong to North America. It is theorized that when humans started migrating over the Siberian bridge, that horses became extinct. They were REINTRODUCED by the Spanish, hence the Spanish genetics
    that we find in them today. Yes, all horses have ancestral genetics, all which pertain to the closest relative, Prezwalski's horse in Mongolia. I'm appalled that so many people can have say what they wish and pronounce it as fact when in fact, they have no idea what they are talking about. Research the subject before
    you just your so-called facts on public comments. If you are so naive and biased, then cows and sheep need to be put down as well. They were originally domesticated in the Middle East, where their wild ancestors roamed. You can't be biased towards one animal and make an argument when indeed, the counter alternative is more viable towards scrutiny than what is being proclaimed here. Not only are these wild mustangs part of our ecosystem, they are part of Native American culture. They provided effort in WWI and WWII on European and American fronts. They served in many ways; war, ceremonies, and even now, therapeutic programs our handicapped and wounded veterans need. Many of these horses were wild mustangs...think before you speak...

  • Posted By: tonydokoupil @ 07/02/2008 1:23:21 PM

    whoops. That should have read: "As the journalist who produced this interview with Deanne..." and so on. That's what copy editors are for and I love them. Best, TD

  • Posted By: MJ35 @ 07/02/2008 1:23:11 PM

    SO WHY DOESN'T THE US GOV'T START KILLING EVERY WILD ANIMAL WHILE THEY'RE AT IT? UNBELIEVABLE!! THEY DESTROY THE HABITATS FOR THESE CREATURES, THEN HAVE THE AUDACITY TO CALL THEM AN EXPENSE AND PROPOSE EUTHANIZING THEM AS A SOLUTION!!!!! I HAVE NEVER BEEN ASHAMED OF BEING AN AMERICAN UNTIL NOW! WHAT A GROSSLY GREEDY COUNTRY THIS IS!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: R Lawrence @ 07/02/2008 1:11:18 PM

    I have lived in the American West all my life and knowing that there are wild horse herds roaming the country is what, in many ways, defines this land. It is true that the western landscape is in terrible condition and overgrazing is certainly the major cause but the wild horse heards are not the cause. For over a two hundred years ranchers have been grazing far more cattle on these lands than the environment can support. BLM has always controled by the political interests of ranchers, oil and gas companies, and mining industry. Horses an all other wildlife has always been at the bottom of the list. Wild horse heard size can be managed and controled rather easy by using population controll methiods. Birth control methiods are prooven techniques that keep population numbers down without much expense and allows for selective breeding as well. Ranchers and farmers have been doing this for hundreds of years, it is certainly not new science and just requires as much work as it does to round up these horses to kill them. You roundup the heard, select the healthy mustangs for breading, cut the ones that you don't want to breed and using several methiods of birth control you can keep the numbers down. Not rocket science. Over grazing the land is just a convenient excuse to yield to the cattle political interests, it is not a real reason.

    • Posted By: jaquimatofreno @ 07/02/2008 1:22:38 PM

      Why don't you get out there and round up the herd and administer the birth control? Sounds easy if someone else is doing it. you should try getting your facts straight about cattle grazing before you comment. The government currently is bombarded with lawsuits when they try to round up horses, because it's inhumane. Try again.

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