‘The Wild Horse Is Us’

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  • Posted By: hoklai @ 07/02/2008 1:22:32 PM

    When you say these horses survived the ice age, what are you talking about? This breed did not exist during the Ice Age. They were brought to the Americas by the early Spaniards in the 16th century. They are descendants of the Iberian horse which dates back to 3000 BC, and besides the Iberian peninsula was not covered in glaciers during the Ice Age. So what does your first sentence have to do with your article? Nothing. The truth is, EVERY horse in the world today survived the Ice Age. Every living thing on the face of this planet survived the Ice Age. Do your homework.

  • Posted By: Deb68 @ 07/02/2008 1:22:30 PM

    HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THESES HORSES HAVE EVRY RIGHT TO BE WHERE THEY ARE. IF YOUR GOING TO PUT ANYTHING DOWN PUT THE F******* RANCHERS DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SHARE WITH THE WILD ANIMALS. ALL THE DAMN GOVERNMENT AND RANCHERS IS PROFIT. IT DON'T LAST FOREVER THE MONEY. SO PULL YOUR F****** JACKED UP HEADS OUT OF YOUR A****, AND SEE THE LIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: goodgunguy @ 07/02/2008 1:22:30 PM

    Survived the Ice Age? Mustangs were dropped off by Spanish invaders. The Native Americans had no word for horse and thought they were big dogs. How much more of this story of is bogus if the writer can't even get the first paragraph correct. The Mustang is indeed a great symbol of America in that it came from Europe, took over without invitation, destroys much of what it touches and now demands to be recognized and protected as a "true part of the American landscape." These horses are no more sacred than any other species. Yes, animals are wondrous, magical and amazing things

  • Posted By: antigovt @ 07/02/2008 1:22:03 PM

    really people, does it matter if they introduced by the Spanish, survived and ice age or were brought here by aliens? It's not about origin, it's about sustaining an icon of America and the American West, like bears, wolves, elk, etc. etc.

  • Posted By: labradorlover @ 07/02/2008 1:22:03 PM

    NO, NO, NO - look into their eyes and tell me you want them put down. How many states are there in the United States that would take horses and work with them to make them adaptable and adoptable. That is wrong with this world, too many of one thing, kill, kill and kill again. If Michael Vick's pit bulls can be adopted as they have been, well, so can these wonderful animals. Listen with your heart, not with your dollar!

  • Posted By: oldseal65 @ 07/02/2008 1:21:47 PM

    First of lets get the "Bureau of Land Management" out of the horse business and on to something useful.
    Those horses have been running free and surviving for hundreds of years. "WE" do not need the land they are on. Let nature and the natural course of events settle their fate. Not some bureaucratic crap.
    When are we going to learn how to leave things alone and let them be. We, in our effort to help, do far more farm than good.

  • Posted By: gruneheidifarm@juno.com @ 07/02/2008 1:21:12 PM

    If they would open the slaughter houses in the US we would not have this problem. Before all you bunny huggers get in a tuff, I am a horse owner and avid horse person. There is a dire need for them to re-open. Since the closure of these plants horses have to endure more suffering on the long trips in a hot cramed truck out of this country to Canada and Mexico, Mexico of which is worse because they have no humane treatment or inspections. There is a place and like I stated dire need to re-open the US slaughter plants but with more USDA inspections, Veterinarian on staff, humane treatment to and while at the plants and of course we (we I mean the all mighty government) to create a tax or charge for exporting our prime grade A goventment inspected horse meat. The horse business in this country is suffering. We need to fix this huge mess for the horses sake. We are not to judge what other folks call food. In India's culture cows are Gods and worshipped not eaten. This country is so backward in some of its thinking. By the way, if you have ever visted Europe, can you honestly say you know what meat you were eating. I think not.
    Please do our horses justice by opening the slaughterhouses in this country where they have some sort of humane treatment and kept under watch where they will suffer less.

  • Posted By: Juliaorr @ 07/02/2008 1:21:08 PM

    The BLM is run by people sympathic to cattle ranchers who want all the grazing land for themselves. It is terrible that euthanasia is even being considered and completely unacceptable. It shouldn't be a case of the public having to adopt these horses to save them they should be allowed to live as they have been doing for hundreds of years. If the BLM can't manage the land appropriately they need to step down and give the job to people who don't have a bias towards the cattle industry.

  • Posted By: TerryWatt @ 07/02/2008 12:32:08 AM

    According to the LAW that directs the management of wild horses and burros, the herd areas established in 1971 where wild horses and burros were found on federal lands - of which more than half of those herd areas have been systematically "zero'ed out" since 1971, the law says these herd areas are to be managed primarily for the wild horses and burros. Did you all hear that? MANAGED PRIMARILY FOR WILD HORSES AND BURROS. In doing so, the BLM may remove cattle from these areas. There are millions and millions of acres of public lands, only so many wild horse and burro herd areas within them - leaving millions and millions of other acres of public lands for the rancher's cows. Yet we constantly hear the BLM propaganda machine repeating "over-population of wild horses" - over and over again as if they repeat this enough times it becomes fact. Lies never become fact. There are actually 6 million domestic livestock on public lands, ranchers barely pay anything for this "privilege". And yet only 3% of US Beef comes from the use of our public lands. Most cattle are raised on private lands. We don't even need to graze cattle on public lands, public lands ranching is considered a "tradition" and nothing more - most of these cattle are owned by big corporations using what some call "welfare ranching" for tax write offs. All this to keep some outdated "tradition" going (and corporate tax write-offs) LONG after it was a necessity to expand the west. Does everyone realize what the cost of public lands ranching is to tax payers every year?? It's over $500 million dollars - that's the loss the BLM takes each year managing the domestic livestock grazing program on our public lands. And yet they're crying about the cost of managing the wild horses - which are being managed to extinction due to public lands ranching. In other areas, big game "trophy" hunting clubs also lobby for wild horse removals so they can put in more big game to shoot so they can hang more "trophies" (bighorn sheep heads) on their walls. One of those association's founders, past president, and current politically active members, Larry Johnson, is on the BLM's Wild Horse and Burro Advisory Board.

    There is no need to GELD stallions, what really needs to be gelded is the BLM, the welfare ranchers, and the big game "trophy" hunters.

    The wild horses and burros have been persecuted from day one and even the law that was put into place in 1971 to "protect and preserve" them has been violated time and time again by the federal agency given the job of implementing the law. How about in the late 90's when BLM employees were getting wild horses for free and selling them to slaughter? How about when that was exposed in several AP articles, what happened when they were to go to federal court for trial? Nothing - the feds blocked the trial, period, end of story.

    This has gotten

    • Posted By: nvhunter @ 07/02/2008 1:20:41 PM

      I'm a lifelong resident of rural, rural Nevada, 6500 ft. elevation actually. I'm a hunter also. I take exception to Mr. Watts' statement that hunting clubs lobby for the removal of the horses so that there will be more bighorn sheep trophies to 'hang on their walls.' For Mr. Watt's info: WILD HORSES AND BIGHORN SHEEP DO NOT EVEN BEGIN TO SHARE THE SAME ENVIRONMENT!! In fact, it would probably be very rare, or almost non-existent for them to even see each other! That tells you how much he knows! I would advise everyone who reads his posts to read them with a grain(or maybe a shakerful) of salt.. Frank L. Ely, NV

  • Posted By: tonydokoupil @ 07/02/2008 1:20:17 PM

    As the journalist that produced with interview with Deanne Stillman, I'd like to clarify the relationship between the American wild horse and the Ice Age. Some of you have said that the horse did not survive the Ice Age, while others have claimed that the horse isn't native to the U.S. In fact, fossil records show that the ancient horse flourished for millions of years in the Mojave Desert in the western US, surviving the Ice Age by crossing the Bering land bridge to Russia. The horse then returned in the 1500s, brought by the Spanish. This is all in the introduction and lead chapter of Deanne's fine book "Mustang." Thanks for the careful read. Best, Tony Dokoupil

  • Posted By: aintwegotfun @ 07/02/2008 1:19:30 PM

    We need to be less abusive to our use of land. So many times I have come accross people that buy houses built next to forest preserves, etc. & then complain about the birds/animals being nuisances. We steal the land & habitat from these animals & then deny their right to exist. If you don't like nature, then go live in the city. We have destroyed so much habitat that the land we take from the animals forces them to venture into the human world for survival. And where has all this building of homes got us? A housing crisis that is destroying our economy. Human greed & "keeping up with the Jonses" is the problem.

  • Posted By: Crowall @ 07/02/2008 1:19:30 PM

    I was shocked when I first heard about this! I totally respect the American rancher and how their work helps to feed this country, but if they are leasing federal lands they should have to deal with the animals that are there, not get rid of them. This is like if someone wanted to graze sheep in Yellowstone and decided that all the bison, bear and elk were hurting the grazing land. Let's get rid of them, too! Will we ever realize that nature needs room to exist or it will disappear forever?

  • Posted By: gruneheidifarm@juno.com @ 07/02/2008 1:19:28 PM

    If they would open the slaughter houses in the US we would not have this problem. Before all you bunny huggers get in a tuff, I am a horse owner and avid horse person. There is a dire need for them to re-open. Since the closure of these plants horses have to endure more suffering on the long trips in a hot cramed truck out of this country to Canada and Mexico, Mexico of which is worse because they have no humane treatment or inspections. There is a place and like I stated dire need to re-open the US slaughter plants but with more USDA inspections, Veterinarian on staff, humane treatment to and while at the plants and of course we (we I mean the all mighty government) to create a tax or charge for exporting our prime grade A goventment inspected horse meat. The horse business in this country is suffering. We need to fix this huge mess for the horses sake. We are not to judge what other folks call food. In India's culture cows are Gods and worshipped not eaten. This country is so backward in some of its thinking. By the way, if you have ever visted Europe, can you honestly say you know what meat you were eating. I think not.
    Please do our horses justice by opening the slaughterhouses in this country where they have some sort of humane treatment and kept under watch.

  • Posted By: jaquimatofreno @ 07/02/2008 1:19:01 PM

    Boy you all have grand notions but no solution-they're not overpopulated? I bet if you had that many rabbits in your back yard, you'd throw a fit. It's all dandy as long as you don't have to deal with it. I love the comments about "they need to be adopted" No kidding? Why don't you do it, then? You want someone else to do it, just not you.

  • Posted By: wel1977 @ 07/02/2008 1:18:11 PM

    What can a person do to keep this from happening? This is about ignorant and that says it all especially about the one's that want to do it.

  • Posted By: musicovermind.org @ 07/02/2008 1:16:37 PM

    Tony, the last ice age ended 14,000 years ago. The first horses were introduced by Spanish conquistadors considerably later than that. So the mustangs have survived many things, but not the ice age.

  • Posted By: ShannonQuill @ 07/02/2008 1:16:19 PM

    Why can't Bush toss some of that multi-trillion dollar war funding this way? How can we help preserve other countries and cultures when we are destroying our own? No wonder the vast majority of perople overseas (and here) think the man is an idiot. He comes from the west and has a huge ranch and with the oil business booming I'm sure his family could afford to donate some time and money.

  • Posted By: rmatson @ 07/02/2008 1:15:40 PM

    We do live in a disposable society....will we be next? The government can do anything to bring the price of gas down but they can put down animals that THEY feel are over populated. It's all about the almighty dollar. I don't have the answer but killing these animals that were here long before we were is not a solution.

  • Posted By: zaczan@yahoo.com @ 07/02/2008 1:15:15 PM

    Wild horses as they are defined in this article are not native to the United States. They were brought by early explorers that were either left or escaped captivity. Native wild horse of North America went extinct around the end of the last ice age. They are an introduced species that are a drain on the resources of the areas that they populate. They must be managed in someway to control disease and possible starvation as resources dwindle. Adoption has been around for many years and is a useful to but unless more people are willing to take care of these animal then more extreme measures will have use. Auction will open the doors for slaughter houses and the like. If the option is to kill the horse use the meat to feed the people of this country that are down on there luck. Horse meat is really pretty good.

  • Posted By: nscofield @ 07/02/2008 12:53:18 PM

    It's fairy ridiculous that our Congress has just passed a $126Billion war spending bill that is supposed to last into the next presidency and this comes up because it's costing taxpayers a measly $35Million. The leaders of this country have their heads so far up where the sun don't shine it sickening. I understand the need for population management however 20,000 horses should be able to be dealt with. With gas prices soaring to record numbers we might need to start breeding these horses for transportation purposes again! Here in Nebraska we're starting to have quite an abundant population of wild turkeys so do we need to start rounding these up in pens cause they're causing problems? I think not. This is ridiculous.

    • Posted By: humanroadrunner @ 07/02/2008 1:15:13 PM

      My wife and I have rescued 2 wild horses. After working with them for 4 months, they are as loving and gentle as our "tame" horses. They were just atraid of "humans" to begin with. On the other hand I live in SC. Two bald eagles have migrated to our area. It's really neat to see them, but I have small goats (kids). I guess I'll have to blow those eagles out of the sky to protect my baby kids. I know there are other measures to ensure the kids' saftey, but I'm just thinking like our gov. officials think. I'll close so I can load my guns. Ha!!!!!
      Save the Horses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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