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  • Posted By: Yellowcar @ 07/15/2008 10:57:04 AM


    America is presently destroying itself----after 9/11 all the airline stock went down----same is true now
    after 9/11---the entire stock market went down-----we have worse today---
    after 9/11 -----the country of USA changed-----I thought they changed-----I thought they wanted to HELP
    the people living in USA-----they really don't want to HELP YOU-----
    They are more interested in Trapping Bipolar People, they will use Coercion and Coercive Persuasion
    and put GPS on you car, so they can harass you any place in the World. It is true----we have created
    harassment and hate for all the mentally ill people-----it is not a Stigma----it is In Your Face Harassment
    and Hate----Online, on the phone, and with Police GPS we allowed every policeman to read you
    medical records, and treat you like dog s/h/i/t----
    We are not interested in HELPING YOU-----we are only interested in Destroying You-----much like the
    Stock Market in the USA-----check it out------

  • Posted By: Yellowcar @ 07/15/2008 10:37:39 AM


    What can and does create mental illness-----people getting hurt, people losing their MONEY----
    See what is happening in the US stock market today-----it is real blood----we damaged many families
    in the USA---people that invest in the US stock market and support the country of America----
    Check out Freddie Mac----symbol FRE-----
    Check out Fannie Mae----symbol FNM----
    These two companies have mortgages on $5 trillion dollars in residential real estate in the USA----
    We are destroying America
    We create mental illness in the USA-----we live with more stress then any other country, we have
    more divorces then any other country, we have the highest suicide rate in the World----

  • Posted By: Jared26 @ 07/14/2008 4:20:56 PM

    ADD and ADHD are the biggest loads of crap I've ever heard. Those "conditions" or whatever they're called, should instead be called INI (I'm Not Interested) or IRBDSE (I'd Rather Be Doing Something Else). If you made me study physics, I'm pretty sure I'd show signs of ADD or ADHD. Let the kids do what they want...don't drug them to do what YOU want.

    • Posted By: motherhen @ 07/15/2008 9:37:58 AM

      Sometimes children have to do what they are asked or told to do. For example learning to read, looking both ways before crossing the street. A child or an adult have to be able to function in everyday situations. I do not have visions of sending my son to Harvard at this point in his life, but he must still learn to read if he wants to drive a car, etc.

  • Posted By: devon44 @ 07/14/2008 4:14:11 PM

    Wow. I have read every comment on here. I have not seen the word "DISCIPLINE" used at all. Not even once. Many of the parents with ADHD kids say that their kids are aggressive, throw tantrums, etc. when not on their meds. One parent said that they had 2 kids, raised them both the same, except 1 had ADHD. Did you ever think that you needed to discipline the other kid more? There is a lot of talk about diets, exercise, etc. - but not one person has talked about penalizing their children for their bad behavior. When I was a kid, I was always getting into trouble. The school said I had ADD and recommended meds. My parents called BS and kicked my butt every single night if I got in trouble at school, and kicked my butt if I didn't do my homework. (Of course, I mean they yelled at me, not beat me) - I was AFRAID of my parents! That is a good thing. Every parent on here seems to want to be little Johnny's friend - can any of you really say that these 'ADHD' kids are afraid of getting in trouble at home if they act up at school? On the other hand, my sister was a good kid and she never got in trouble. Kids are different and there need to be serious consequences for acting up, that are consistent every single time. If you are not capable of disciplining your kids, all the diets and exercise in the world will not help - in that case you had better drug your kid like a Zombie.

    You are all disgusting, and you are doing serious damage to your children. Flame me all you want, because I know none of you are self aware enough to even know what you are doing, and half of you are 30-40 years old, claiming to STILL have ADHD? And you are STILL on Meds? That is truly pathetic, nothing but an excuse for not having ANY self control. Yes, I have trouble concentrating on boring stuff, like business meetings etc. What do I do when I have trouble concentrating? I TRY HARDER, I USE SELF CONTROL!!!

    • Posted By: motherhen @ 07/15/2008 9:33:56 AM

      I agree with you on one point: Discipline is a key factor. We must remember that each child is different, and the characteristics of their diagnosis affect each child differently. Some children also have multiple issues. For example my son who is 11, has issues that leave him functioning socially and academically approximately 5 years behind chronological age. I do agree that it is essential to set expectations NOT RULES, and that there are rewards/consequences to go with the expectations. My son is allowed 15 minutes of TV a day and 30 minutes of computer time a day PROVIDED that he made appropriate choices (we say good choice/bad choice) and completed his work. The TV time is G rated only and the computer time is for his computer based reading program called HeadSprout it takes about 20 minutes for him to complete and then he can play on NickJr for 10 minutes. If he has made bad choices he does not get his TV time, or his NickJr time. we use other things as well. He loses two of his favorite cars (he is into racing and likes to collect the numbered race cars) for each bad choice such as hitting, screaming, tempertantrums, disrespect, He is given one verbal warning for each offense and a chance to calm down before his things are taken away. IMy husband and I present a united front. My son is given opportunities to earn his cars back by making good choices. Neither my husband or I are on any medications or have any disorders that we know of (yes we do go to the doctor when necessary). My main point is that the discipline needs to be tailored to the child. What works for discipline for my son may not work for someone else's child. I do now that spanking my child is not the answer, because he already gets violent at times. Hitting him in any manner for any reason just shows him that is ok to hit. We cannot say to our son, you can't hit other people or you lose( whatever it is we are up to in the take away stage) and then stand there and spank him. Routines go hand in hand with discipline. a certain time for everything. When my son gets off of his scheduled routine it is difficult for him to function. Many of the parents who have posted probably do have some sort of discipline set up and did not mention it because it was not the main thread of the discussion. As far as making my chi8d a zombie hate to tell you this he isn't. He rides his bike, swims, play kickball in the backyard with his father and me and the neighbor children, baseball/softball. My point is even the meds, he is still encouraged and actively gets up to go outside and play. If I have to take a physical away, it is the interaction with neighbors children for that day. He still gets his outside time with his father and me.

  • Posted By: Psych NP @ 07/14/2008 11:28:01 AM

    Who wrote this article? It is not current practice for Health Care Professionals to recommend a drug holiday,

    • Posted By: jane50071 @ 07/14/2008 7:06:37 PM

      Actually, in the pamphlet they hand you to help ifnform you of some of the characterists of taking the meds, it does suggest the "breaks". I tend to give my child one dosage instead of 3 on weekends. This usually works ok. If we are going somewhere in public he takes the normal. I know how to deal with my sons characteristics. Others may not.

      • Posted By: motherhen @ 07/15/2008 8:55:54 AM

        In reference to eaglecjy and you, I say keep going. NO ONE knows your child better than you!!! Not the doctor, not the teacher, but YOU. If YOU and YOUR FAMILY are comfortable handling the difficulties and it gives your child a chance to be him/herself safely that is great.

  • Posted By: eaglecjy @ 07/14/2008 11:01:52 AM

    My son is 14 with ADHD, TIC Tourette Syndrome and BI-Polar and I took him off his medications right before school ended. A total of 7 meds. At first it was hard and sometimes I did want to admit him to the hospital but I weighed out the struggles. It's been 2 months and he is doing well without them. He has lost all the weight he had gained with the meds and has grown 2 inches. I did this for him, to give him a break from all the meds knowing it would be hard for my family. I will not put back ion the meds until school starts. Depending on how he does with school will depend on which meds his Dr. will recommend.

    • Posted By: motherhen @ 07/15/2008 8:43:18 AM

      I noticed that you said you took him off for the summer knowing that it would be hard FOR YOUR FAMILY. I was wondering seriously if you would send him to camp without his meds, or even with them. I struggle with the idea of sending my son to camp or anywhere without the supervision of myself or my spouse. It is difficult for the families of these children when they are off meds or when the meds stop working. We have triedc taking our son off the meds even for the weekend and it just does not work. The agression is way out of control. I am concerned about the severe weight gain, although I do not know what the "normal" weight should be. He weighs 119 pounds is eleven years old and right about 5 foot. Knowing that you care enough about your son to weather the storm during the summer and give him the support he needs is wonderful.

  • Posted By: AKgrandma @ 07/15/2008 5:51:47 AM

    Well, I am entering comment without reading all entries, but I did see someone post a lead to Feingold orginization. As with the Feingold diet, I highly reccomend parents FIRST try to get as many chemicals out of your child as you possibly can before you go the drug route. ADD and ADHD are not Ritalin defficient deseases. If your brain has a chemical imbalance, doesn't it make sense to rid your body of chemical additives first? My third son went from a normal little boy into a wild man after a brain tumor scare where the doctors put a dye into his bloodstream or brain before giving him a CAT scan. Within a week he was boucing off the walls. It was several weeks before I got news of the dye being used. It was my physchiatrist who got the doctors report. I don't remember where I learned of the Feingold Institute, but when I got all the information, I put both my son and myself on the diet. Basically, it rids the body of all the chemicals that you find in food. Especially the artificial colors and preservatives that are abundant in our food supply--especially so-called "children's" food which almost without exception is highly colored. I'm not saying it was easy--mostly I had to fight freinds and family from sneaking my son forbidden foods. If I had told them he was allergic to wheat or had a Ritalin defficiency, they would have understood and helped me, but because I told them he was "allergic" to food additives, they treated me like I was commiting child abuse! Hopefully your family would be more understanding. And sometimes it was me that slipped him something he shouldn't have because I was in a hurry and did not read the ingredients lable. Once I bought an innocent looking jar of applesauce with pineapple. What could be more innocent? Well, when he started acting up--getting moody and crying over nothing--I was shocked at the return of symptons. I began to search my mind for what I had fed him that day and eventually ended up reading the back of the applesauce jar and there I read "yellow dyes 5 & 6." No one can ever convince me that those chemicals are not harmfull and our childrens diets are flodded with them--way more than when I was a child. And people wonder why there is an epidemic of behavior problems and more and more children are diagnosed with ADHD and ADD. For the sake of your child, get hold of Feingold Assoc, and look at the studies they have done on this. Diet CAN help the child if it is the chemicals in the foods that are harming him. And by following the diet your whole family will be eating much more healthily, too

  • Posted By: glorifiedmilkmaker @ 07/15/2008 4:39:34 AM

    I have ADHD and was on those medications from like 1982-2006. I am now 30 have a family history of ADHD and I know a thing or two about the going on and off of those medications. No child should stop taking them cold turkey the side effects are crazy. I would get lazy, depressed, sleepy and fat. Then I would start taking them again and I wouldn't eat or sleep I would start crying for no reason...NOT HEALTHY!!!! These medications are a bigger deal then most realixe.

  • Posted By: p.d.areyouwitme @ 07/15/2008 2:52:39 AM

    I'm all my years at summer camp as a staff member, I've seen many cases where youth are taken off meds, for a med-vacation. If seen it work, and I've seen it crash and burn. it's really sad to see a camper stuggle to maintain composure, a balanced temper, focus, etc. because his/her meds are not on the menu for the week. Each and every year (going on 11 years) I watch campers leave camp early, due to behavior problems. Some are due to lack of much needed meds, some are due to other reasons. In any case, I want parents to know that summer camp should be a time for growth and development and without meds, some kids don't have the tools they need to fully succeed.

  • Posted By: andrew35 @ 07/15/2008 2:44:03 AM

    ?? feel so sad and sorry for all these k??ds. ??ts so easy to treat a symptom w??th drugs these days. no one seemed to bother abt the cause. and every profess??onal ??s try??ng to put a new label on th??ngs they f??nd (e??ther w??th sc??ent??f??c proof, stuff they dont understand etc). l??ke p??geon-hol??ng problems. ARE TODAY'S YOUNG PARENTS ready and knowledgeable enough to ra??se k??ds - LIKE HOW WE WERE RAISED BY OUR PARENTS? bec fam??ly un??ts are much smaller these days, parents are spo??l??ng the??r 1-2 k??ds rotten. AS WE SAID, SPARE THE ROD AND SPOIL THE KID. old w??ves tales do have the??r reasons for ex??stence. ITS EASY TO BEND A SAPLING THAN A TREE. for all those parents w??th grown k??ds, ??ts too late. LIKE A GROWN TREE, IF YOU TRY TO BEND ITS BRANCH, MOST LIKELY IT WILL BREAK.

    th??s ??s a wake up call for all parents and TEACHERS.

    have a good l??fe

    ANDREW SEOW

  • Posted By: DrevansMommy @ 07/15/2008 2:18:43 AM

    Reading a lot of these comments reminds me of myself 7 years ago..... when I was just having a baby. I was totally against any medication for children, and in some ways I still am. But, among many parents today I have a "special needs child." That is the lable, and it is just that..... a lable. My son needs his medications to function. Without them he cant so much as remember he needs to get dressed, eat, ect. Things just go way to fast in his brain. However... with his medications he is able to do these things, and he is very smart. A 157 IQ at age 6. He will be going into the 2nd grade and he is on a 5th grade level. I think a lot of people need to take a step back and realize no two children are the same, no two parents/people are the same, and it is not for anyone to judge your child, "normal" or "special needs."

  • Posted By: mkmom @ 07/15/2008 2:06:14 AM

    The comment in the article that there is no scientific evidence that a regulated diet as a treatment for adhd is incorrect. There have been many studies done in Europe, especially in England. If you are interested in the facts please go to www.fiengold.org and follow the links to the reseach.

  • Posted By: DrevansMommy @ 07/15/2008 2:02:13 AM

    I think this article is stearing parents in the wrong direction about taking kids off the meds at all. My son has ADHD, AND PDD nos, ODD, High functioning Autistic. He is on Adderall, but he is also on Tennex, which is a blood pressure medication ment to assist the adderall in controling his symptoms. This is saying that taking children off medication is ok, and too many children are on more than just ADHD meds, and stopping those meds are very dangerous to do all of a sudden. It is just not ok to tell parents it is ok to do this. A lot of drs do put children on meds when they just need disipline but the parents and the teachers just dont want to do this. Overall parents need to talk to their childrens doctors before they do anything with their childrens medications. Parents know their kids best, but doctors know their meds best.....

  • Posted By: Yellowcar @ 07/15/2008 1:58:46 AM


    mentatpsi---to answer your question-----
    I don't agree with you------a Major Chemical Imbalance must be either controlled or corrected----to do nothing
    is very wrong----
    I am bipolar, and I have not taken drugs for over four years-----I'm not advising anyone to try it----without
    knowing what I know, and being monitored by a doctor.
    Neuroplasticity-------I don't feel it works----
    Each individual is different-----however when a doctor says ADHD----then you have a Major Chemical Imbalance-----it must either be controlled or corrected------you have no other option----to do nothing is not an option-----
    No doctor in the world can perform magic-----he must juggle drugs just to control your chemical imbalance, it is very difficult, as you must know if you are ADHD

  • Posted By: mentatpsi @ 07/15/2008 1:46:32 AM

    yellowcar, i have ADHD, i think i understand. Getting off the medication doesn't kill. What you seem not to realize is there is room for growth. Perhaps at a certain age the child is overly hyperactive due to lack of proper brain utilization, but as one ages it is somewhat possible to "grow out of" the disorder (depending on the individual) by developing certain habits. Heard of Neuroplasticity? The brain has the ability to rework itself given mental discipline. There is also a spectrum for ADHD, what you speak of might fall under ADHD with Hyperactivity, but are you aware that there's an ADHD inattentive type? Either way, the disorder is way too broad to fall into generalizations. You can't conclude that everyone suffering from it is incapable of functioning without medication. Each individual is different.

  • Posted By: mentatpsi @ 07/15/2008 1:46:13 AM

    yellowcar, i have ADHD, i think i understand. Getting off the medication doesn't kill. What you seem not to realize is there is room for growth. Perhaps at a certain age the child is overly hyperactive due to lack of proper brain utilization, but as one ages it is somewhat possible to "grow out of" the disorder (depending on the individual) by developing certain habits. Heard of Neuroplasticity? The brain has the ability to rework itself given mental discipline. There is also a spectrum for ADHD, what you speak of might fall under ADHD with Hyperactivity, but are you aware that there's an ADHD inattentive type? Either way, the disorder is way too broad to fall into generalizations. You can't conclude that everyone suffering from it is incapable of functioning without medication. Each individual is different.

  • Posted By: Yellowcar @ 07/15/2008 1:44:05 AM


    thetodfather82------you must be a Genius-----however you can't find the answer for the mentally ill-----

    So genius -----tell us how you are helping the mentally ill people-------

  • Posted By: midwesterner76 @ 07/14/2008 7:16:14 PM

    It's interesting to me how defensive people get when they react to comments like natalie f.'s. They don't offer any scientific proof or anything. They just rail on a person for not affirming their belief in a disease that was "discovered?" fifteen years ago? It is a boon to drug companies and an easy out for controlling parents to say that their child has AD(blah blah). Give them a pill and forget about it. It is that simple people.

    • Posted By: thetoadfather82 @ 07/14/2008 8:55:49 PM

      Scientific proof hasn't been furnished on this board because I doubt that all these people are scientists or doctors. That said many reading these posts (a somewhat crude representation of the American public as a whole) wouldn't understand the science behind drugs of any sorts. Here's a greatly simplified synopsis: attention deficit exists in children because they're central nervous systems (CNS) are understimulated so they fail to perpetuate concentration on given tasks for prolonged amounts of time. Some drugs use Adderal, a methamphetamine, while others use Ritalin as the active ingredient (Ritalin and Concerta). Both are CNS stimulants that act to increase brain activity allowing for increased concentration. The drugs have short half-lives and therefore must be taken several times throughout the day with the exception of extended release pills which are taken once a day (qam). The added benefit of extended release drugs like Concerta is a carefully designed delivery system which eliminates peak concentrations in the blood stream throughout the day. The main side effects of CNS stimulants are (but are not limited to) decreased appetite and decreased sleep both of which are possibly reasons for drug holidays (the topic of this article - not the validity of the ADHD diagnosis). Hopefully that's a good enough starting place; these poor parents don't have to offer scientific proof you should instead research it yourself. It does seem like you are trolling this board seeing as the topic of the article once again was drug holidays not the validity of ADHD.

      • Posted By: midwesterner76 @ 07/14/2008 10:16:43 PM

        Really, it sounds like you just used a bunch of fancy words to say that the kid has a hard time concentrating. I'm not doubting that. That hardly seems like the kind of thing that we need a medical diagnosis for. My point is that when a kid is acting out, usually (not always), there is an environmental thing. Come on, one previous poster said that she got the kid's dad convicted of a felony for not giving him medication for ADHD.

        • Posted By: thetoadfather82 @ 07/15/2008 1:28:34 AM

          The second sentence of my reply stated that the mechanisms by which medications work are very complicated as is the biological basis for any disorder. And of course environmental issues play a factor. Take schizophrenia: a genetic defect predetermines that a person can develop schizophrenia in his or her lifetime but environmental issues pull the trigger. Medications work at the biological side of the issue while psychotherapy among other things work at the environmental side. That said, obviously more "fancy words" (e.g. scientific proof) doesn't matter here because it's beyond the scope of most undergraduate studies.

      • Posted By: julieanns @ 07/14/2008 9:26:52 PM

        Are you a scientist or a doctor? I rather doubt that you've attended college, to go by the poor grammar.

    • Posted By: julieanns @ 07/14/2008 7:41:50 PM

      AMEN midwesterner76 and natalief. Parents of ADD children, have you even bothered to research other possible reasons for your child's behavior? Much less find another way than the USA recommended daily dose of medication? Wow, talk about ignorance. Do you really think your child is the only one ever to have problems "focusing," a non-condition identified by schoolteachers who are little more than children themselves? 20 years ago there was no such disease and no medications for it; there was also no Columbine and other incredibly tragic school shootings. and yes folks, a proven correlation has been found between the "meds" for children way too young to take them and linking them to wild behavior abberations. Before we were kids ourselves, how *did* our parents cope? It is similarly proven that simple herbs and aromatherapy can alter behavior in children and adults -- without any drug, over the counter or otherwise. Doesn't it scare you to read the laundry list of side effects including stunted growth and more?? Again... wow. Open your eyes folks. It's not a question of discipline as much as knowing when NOT to medicate a child. The good ol' American medical way of handing out prescriptions is about to burst. Have y'all any clue of the number of class action lawsuits pending and successfully closed against major pharmaceutical companies? That giant bubble is about to burst and guess what? It'll be up to all of us to find another way to deal with reality rather than popping or pushing pills.

  • Posted By: Yellowcar @ 07/15/2008 1:28:29 AM


    Time to go------the TESTER are taking over this web site-----they hate when people talk about the Real Truth.
    We have criminal justice people and drug companies monitoring this web site------they like to destroy
    any meaningful conversation------it is real Harassment and Hate----Online

  • Posted By: Yellowcar @ 07/15/2008 1:24:22 AM


    Psychskill ---your comments are Harassment and Hate-----please go away-----
    Who do you work for--------are you working criminal justice or working for a drug company?
    Why are you on this web site?
    Who are you?

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