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  • Posted By: Yellowcar @ 07/14/2008 8:12:04 AM

    What you don't understand----the ADHD kid has a MAJOR CHEMICAL IMBALANCE---that must be controlled or corrected-----to do nothing, can cost him/her their life-------this is not a GAME-----this is Life----
    The risk is extremely high for a kid that is ADHD----the suicide rate is OFF THE CHART for people that are
    ADHD, when they come OFF DRUGS-----
    It is not easy coming on or off DRUGS-----

  • Posted By: Yellowcar @ 07/14/2008 8:06:56 AM

    Before you write a story, you better fully understand the situation-----
    You don't even understand----
    A Major Chemical Imbalance is not to be Played With----either you control the Major Chemical Imbalance or you begin to correct the chemical imbalance. Do do nothing ----is not the answer-----nothing is nothing----
    it can cost a person their life----

  • Posted By: tempresponse @ 07/14/2008 7:41:18 AM

    I offer all of you to watch "The drugging of our Children" By Gary Null Phd. You can watch it on google.

  • Posted By: julescolon1112 @ 07/14/2008 7:32:30 AM

    I agree with you, MagicSchool. Why can't parents look at them selves as the ones to blame and not their children?? Every kid is so different, and deserves to develop into who he or she is, not into what a slacking parent or teacher can handle at the time. It's such an excuse!

  • Posted By: simplydanielle @ 07/14/2008 5:22:41 AM

    It struck him hard. Six years later Steven morns overs his childhood as if he'd lost his family. The Aderall made him numb; a social suicide. His friend didn't see how the drug was any different. Steven agreed. At twenty-two he's hoping to get a job. ----Medications whether used for physical or mental treatments should be used as sparingly as possible. Be responsible.

  • Posted By: simplydanielle @ 07/14/2008 5:08:18 AM

    Socially it struck him hard. Six years later Steven remembers his experience with Aderell as if he'd spread a communicable disease. He says he felt numb his entire childhood. More profoundly, the medicine made him listless and withdrawn. It isolated him. Friends were few. Then he met "Jason" who agreed with his low self esteem. Jason figured Aderell wasn't much different than the drugs he was selling. Steven agreed.

    Hi

  • Posted By: cio0531 @ 07/13/2008 9:43:06 PM

    As a parent of a child with ADD I can tell you that the medication cannot be stopped and started as easily as apirin. It can take 2 weeks for the child to react well to the medication, and should always be taken off gradually. Also not all children benefit from a "drug holiday" for some it actually worsens the problem when then have to go back on. Structured sports are not a remedy, because a child who needs medication is not able to participate in severly structured sports. I have to agree with rlc1415, if you had a child with ADD or ADHD you would know that most of your article is incorrect. Some ADD children do learn to overcome some of their symptoms, but there is no cure. Also, reactions to food preservatives and colorings is not the same as having ADD or ADHD! A child with these conditions is not cured by diet.

  • Posted By: Jane118 @ 07/12/2008 10:22:54 PM

    A recent British study (The Lancet, September 2007) is the latest of many to show that for many children the symptoms of ADHD can be triggered by food additives like synthetic dyes and the preservative sodium benzoate. In February the American Academy of Pediatrics published an article saying that diet is a valid treatment for ADHD, and in May the British Medical Journal carried an editorial calling for diet to be a standard treatment, along with medicine, for ADHD.
    Food manufacturers are rushing to remove the petroleum-based dyes from foods sold in England, and the European Union will require products that use the dyes to carry warning labels that they may trigger behavior and attention disorders. For more than 30 years, the non-profit Feingold Association (www.feingold.org) has been helping families determine if the symptoms are being triggered by food additives.

  • Posted By: Jane118 @ 07/12/2008 10:17:21 PM

    In September the medical journal The Lancet published the results of the newest study linking petroleum based food dyes and the preservative sodium benzoate to ADHD behaviors, even in children with no previous symptoms. Then in February the American Academy of Pediatrics published an article saying that dietary treatment of ADHD was a valid choice. And in May the British Medican Journal carried an editorial calling for diet to be considered a standard treatment.
    The non-profit Feingold Association of the US (www.feingold.org) shows families how to see if the child's symptoms are being triggered by petroleum-based food additives; in most cases they play a huge part in the disturbed behavior and attention problems.
    Most recently, the European Union has decided to require warning labels on foods that contain these synthetic dyes; consumers will be warned that they can bring about disturbed behavior and attention problems.

  • Posted By: Caver_Girl @ 07/11/2008 1:46:50 PM

    First of all, there are tens of thousands of children on ADHD drugs that shouldn't be, that could be "cured" if they were just encouraged to play outside more. Kids need nature. That's been scientifically proven.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 07/12/2008 5:55:41 PM

      I would be interested in where you got your statistic of "tens of thousands". As a parent of an ADHD child and one that has researched and attended conferences on subject I seriously doubt your "statistic". Children with ADHD are prone to impulsivity and can not be cured by tossing them outside to play as you suggested. Not everyone lives in a rural area with space to allow them to roam. These kids are more likely to be injured if not constantly supervised-running in front of cars, falls due to climbing, eating plants/berries that are poisonous, playing with fire or firearms, the list of possibilities is endless due to their impulsivity . I suggest you volunteer to supervise an ADHD child for a day- I know the parents would be grateful for the respite and you would gains some understanding by walking a mile in that family's moccasins.

      • Posted By: rlc1415 @ 07/12/2008 9:47:16 PM

        my kid bikes, skateboards, snowboards in addition to many other outdoor activities. he still has severe adhd. obviously you don't have an child with adhd. and there is no cure.

  • Posted By: teagarro @ 07/09/2008 5:34:02 PM

    It's truly unfortunate that this article doesn't mention the relationship between the incidence of ADHD medications and their profitability. During the past twenty years, the pharmaceutical manufacturers have aggressively pushed the newer medications, whether or not they???ve even proven to be effective because of the patent protections that they retain and the high profitability of those medications while they still retain the exclusive right to manufacture them. Recent ethical concerns with prominent psychiatrists and payments they intentionally concealed from regulators raises concerns that are even more serious. Since ADD and ADHD are organic problems for which there is no clear and conclusive method for diagnosing, parents and physicians will continue to misdiagnose children who???s disruptive, aggressive and defiant behavior is due to poor parenting, not to a chemical imbalance such as bipolar disorder or ADHD.

    • Posted By: Msmith12 @ 07/09/2008 7:59:08 PM

      "disruptive, aggressive and defiant behavior is due to poor parenting, not to a chemical imbalance such as bipolar disorder or ADHD."

      That is a very ignorant comment.

      • Posted By: rlc1415 @ 07/12/2008 9:44:53 PM

        poor parenting! how do you explain my family. 2 children parented exactly the same and one with adhd? walk a mile in my shoes before making ignorant comments.

      • Posted By: loriw @ 07/09/2008 8:15:53 PM

        agreed. There is evidence that the frontal lobes of persons with ADD/ADHD do not fuction the same as those that do not and the evidence comes from PET scans.
        In regards to bad parenting, I do not believe that bad parenting causes ADHD but genetics plays a part. My husband due to his ADHD was not as effective at parenting. We used a lot of behavior modification with the kids in addition to the meds, however my husgand had trouble being consitant with the behaior mod. so alot of times it failed. Parenting requires consistant and predictable consequences- a Prent with ADHD (many are)has trouble being consistant and predictable. Not to mention a parent with untreated ADHD probably does a lot of risk taking and doesn't recognize when risk taking in their children is inappropriate and fails to act on that as another parent would have.

        • Posted By: loriw @ 07/09/2008 8:18:41 PM

          sorry for typos-couldn't see what was typed below the reply box so I couldn't correct the errors.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 07/09/2008 7:52:23 PM

      This post author is obviously not in the medical field either or they would have known that kids with ADD/ADHD can have co-morbidity which means they can also have another diagnosis such as bipolar, OCD, depression, conduct disorder, tourettes etc.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 07/09/2008 7:49:09 PM

      I could tell within a few sentences that this was not a parent of and ADHD child. As a parent of 2 children AND a husband all diagnosed by a qualified child psychiatrist that specialized in ADHD I can tell you that the right medications at the right dose WORKS. I am fortunate to live near a large metropolitan area that has excellent doctors. My husband's employee's noticed big improvements in my husband when he started taking meds for ADHD and could tell when he forgat to take his meds later. Do some MD;ps prescribe to some kids who really are not ADHD- perhaps. But in my experience the meds worked wonders. My kids never would have been able to suceed in school without the meds. Again- ever try to do a time out with an ADHD child ?

  • Posted By: Plainswoman @ 07/11/2008 4:31:16 PM

    I ran Cub Scout Day Camps and Webelos Resident Camps for 11 years, and invariably some parents would hide the fact that they were giving their son a med holiday. As Director, I had the unenviable task of calling the parent to talk with his/her son or come pick up his/her son (depending on the nature of the offense). I would always hear, "But he's ADD/ADHD and he's not on his meds and you just don't know how to deal with our precious little boy . . ."

    Well, I do know. I have one. I had to go on every single field trip and camp out he went on as a young boy, so that he'd know how to act in a new situation. I finally learned to say, "Well, then, you need to be on premises and show me and my staff how to handle your son appropriately, or to come out and administer his meds and leave them with us with a signed permission slip for us to administer them." In all that time, I only had one mom spend the day with us, showing us how her son "ticked". The others brought out the meds.

  • Posted By: marianne117 @ 07/10/2008 9:42:02 AM

    I'm appalled that a parent would be so selfish as to send their child to camp unmedicated! Some of these parents are worried about the "stigma". How about the "stigma" of having an out of control child who ruins everyone elses camp experience and has to get sent home? Yeah, no stigma THERE! If you want to give your kid a medication holiday, with your doctor's blessing, go for it. At HOME. Where he / she is YOUR problem. But don't send your unmedicated kid to MY kids summer camp to ruin the holiday! If after you have a few "medication holidays" you see that your child is fully manageable, THEN discuss it with your doctor and with the camp leaders, and see if you can work something out. But don't just take your kid off the medications blindly and then send them out to be someone else's problem. Lazy parenting at best.

    And no, I do not personally have an ADHD child, but I used to babysit one regularly. He was out of control in the worst way when he was not on his meds. I couldn't possibly imagine a kid like that unmedicated at camp.

  • Posted By: horseback @ 07/09/2008 8:19:21 PM

    Comment: I have a son who is autistic and need his medication for school. However, during summer holidays he does not take the medication just to give him a break. He does well without them and I dont have a problem dealing with some of his outbursts. I know how to deal with it. Some commen sense and understanding on my part goes along way. Couger10@hotmail.com

    • Posted By: loriw @ 07/10/2008 3:17:56 AM

      Autism and ADHD are very different issues. Each parent needs to decide with guidance from medical professionals what is best for their own child. I think what is at issue here is when is the fall out from that decision a burden for others--in this case camp counselors (which in many cases high school aged kids under the supervision of a handful of adults) and the other campers. These people unless they have experience with ADHD are unprepared for a Child who is ADHD and off meds.

  • Posted By: Greg Hullender @ 07/09/2008 7:51:39 PM

    I find it very hard to believe anyone is giving stimulants to kids who don't have ADD. The aggressive, defiant child who does NOT have ADD is going to get worse, not better, on stimulants.

  • Posted By: kgarcia @ 07/09/2008 5:10:35 PM

    As a former summer camp counselor, we HATED parents who selfishly sent their kids to camp on a "medication vacation". Not only were their children miserable and impossible to deal with, but it made our jobs incredibly difficult. When you are in charge of making sure a group of 10 kids is having the time of their life and one child is constantly screwing around, getting in trouble, fighting, or wandering off alone and takes 90% of the counselor's time and energy, the other kids suffer and become irritable. Just because your doctor says your child should go off meds at least once a year does NOT mean that you should selfishly pack them off to camp just so you don't have to deal with them. The whole point of a medication vacation is for YOU as a parent to see the changes in your child, their personality, interactions, sleep patterns etc. Putting them into an unfamiliar setting with people they don't know and doing activities they wouldn't normally do is not the way to determine this. Send your child to camp WITH their meds, they'll have a great time and make fantastic memories to last a lifetime and you won't be getting constant calls from the camp about what a brat your kid is without them.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 07/09/2008 7:41:48 PM

      very well stated by someone who really is an expert on dealing with campers on a med holiday. You're right it isn't fair to the other children either.

  • Posted By: kgarcia @ 07/09/2008 5:11:58 PM

    As a former summer camp counselor, we HATED parents who selfishly sent their kids to camp on a "medication vacation". Not only were their children miserable and impossible to deal with, but it made our jobs incredibly difficult. When you are in charge of making sure a group of 10 kids is having the time of their life and one child is constantly screwing around, getting in trouble, fighting, or wandering off alone and takes 90% of the counselor's time and energy, the other kids suffer, become irritable and lash out at the troublemaker. Just because your doctor says your child should go off meds at least once a year does NOT mean that you should selfishly pack them off to camp just so you don't have to deal with them. The whole point of a medication vacation is for YOU as a parent to see the changes in your child, their personality, interactions, sleep patterns etc. Putting them into an unfamiliar setting with people they don't know and doing activities they wouldn't normally do is not the way to determine this. Send your child to camp WITH their meds, they'll have a great time and make fantastic memories to last a lifetime and you won't be getting constant calls from the camp about what an umanagable brat your kid is without them.

  • Posted By: loriw @ 07/09/2008 4:28:28 PM

    As a parent of 2 ADHD kids who took medications for years I am opposed to "medication holidays". Personally I found it very hard to get my kids to do anything when they were off meds- they literally would be unable to do some of the simplest tasks off meds because they couldn't focus long enough such as read a book, or sit long enough to finish eating a meal. Discipline was more difficult with out meds- ever try to do time out with a child w/ ADHD off meds? More concerning is that a child who is ADHD is more likely to enter into risky behaviours with out meds leading to them being more accident prone. Meds for a lot of ADHD kids lowers theri impulsivity.

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