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  • Posted By: Shazam @ 07/10/2008 7:11:38 PM

    Mr. Fineman...you assume that this interchange involving the good Reverend Jackson and his "inadvertent" remarks followed by instantaneous apology, the candidate B. H. Obama (surely if media referred to his female opponent and "Hillary Rodham Clinton" continuously we can mention Obama's name "Hussein", or at least the initials) and his instantaneous forgivness of the repentant Reverend Jackson, accompanied by the gratuitous input from the younger Jackson (playing to the younger generation) was all spontaneous. There is at least a 50-50 chance that this was pre-scripted with assigned roles. Has anyone in the press (including the intrepid Newsweek reporting staff) bothered to question the participants as to this possibility. If true...or found out later to be true after initial denials (due to staff leaks perhaps?)...now that would be news worthy of publishing.

    Both Republican and Democratic campaigns while at the lower levels are staffed with unpaid and generally inexperienced volunteers, at the senior levels they are instead highly paid, highly experienced and highly intelligent professionals...all of which are quite capable of coming up with this sort of scripted event.

    Come on, Newsweek...you people are reporters who I am told "dig" for the truth and for news...do you jobs...

  • Posted By: crazyvic50 @ 07/10/2008 7:08:31 PM

    Obama comments are clearly approached in a 'race context'. Of course, Obama is 'politizing the moment' to gain notoriety and some points. The good part of his comments is that now everybody is listening about the Black American behaviors as a race. The bad part is that Obama is only observing a portion of the picture instead of the whole picture. I always said that 'if your parents are poor most likely their sibling will follow that path, some exceptions may occur. If you are wealthy most likely their sibling will become wealthy as well.
    If Obama becomes "The Man" I hope that he will turn 'la tortilla' and give more opportunity to his race and some other minorities. After all, 'Black Americans always had been tormented by the system.' The way the system is improved today looks really 'black' for all minorities. For minorities the American dream is just that: A dream.

  • Posted By: major325 @ 07/10/2008 7:08:11 PM

    I have a different view. It looks like the democratic "thought police" are alive and well, and if you do not tow the party line they are more than wiling to throw you under the campaign bus without any mental reservation or hesitation. They did it to Bill Clinton and they will be more than willing to do it to Jessie Jackson, and use Jessie Jackson's son to lead the charge. ..a son that owes his political history to desperately riding his father's name to victory While I may not agree with most of what Jessie Jackson has said and done, he is still allowed to have a personal opinion, and that is what Jessie Jackson was expressing.... a very personal private opinion. It makes you wonder how many other negative personal opinions have been stiffled by the "thought police."

    Bill Clinton got in trouble by alluding to Obama's campaign rhetoric and experience as a "fairy tale." I remember a fairy tale like that growing up....The Emperor's New Clothes. You had a very self important "person surrounded by a lot of yes men who pandered to his ego and "status" by building an almost mystical belief around how only the elite could understand, realize, and see what he wore. It took a small innocent child to finally break through the politically correct culture and spin to expose the shame. I think Bill Clinton was more correct than he imagined, except the media has been a very willing part of the shame, so he was immediately silenced.

  • Posted By: amendment2man @ 07/10/2008 6:48:42 PM

    Eternity I hope for the sake of this great nation that the mistake of carter will not be repeated.

    let's see Idealist who promotes "change" in Washington Dialogue with rogue states, unilateral disarmament.

    could be a tag line for any of these three unqualified individuals.

    The youth vote is the most worrisome as they have jumped unto the idealist bandwagon. They have not yet learned that just because someone promises something ; they may not always live up to it. Just saying it does not make it so.

    like they say: when you are young you're a liberal , conservatism comes with age and experience.

    • Posted By: eternity875 @ 07/10/2008 6:56:12 PM

      That's right...I became more conservative as I grew up and raised a family...also seeing all kinds of politicians who promise all kinds of things has a way of removing the rose-colored glasses. What I see in Obama is a politician, pure and simple. He is not the great hope and his liberal social programs are just more "gimme" programs that will cost taxpayers huge amounts of money. While I don't think McCain can get rid of the deficit, I know Obama's plan doesn't even try. That worries me. I have made my way as a single parent by living on a budget and not buying more than I could afford. The government spending sickens me...and I don't want America to be a welfare state. It's not good for the taxpayers and I don't believe it's good for the recipients of the freebies. So, as a fiscal conservative, I will vote for McCain because I like his position on earmarks. As a social conservative, I will vote for McCain because he has never voted for abortion or gay marriage. As a political conservative, I don't have a candidate. But "2 out of 3 ain't bad." Nice talking to you amendment...keep the faith! :-)

      • Posted By: amendment2man @ 07/10/2008 7:01:20 PM

        I will do my best eternity. we can only hope that those that see through the ruse outnumber the idealists at the polls come november.

        You made a good point that no candidate is totally within our personal parameters but our definitions of ourselves will cause us to make our choices. it always comes down to voting for the least offensive one.

        thanks for a voice of reason on this forum and I hope you will be present on other discussions. Great talking with you Eternity.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 07/10/2008 6:35:59 PM

    Know why McCain wants to distance himself from former Senator Phil Gramm? It is not just because of Gramm's recent obnoxious remarks calling Americans "a nation of whiners" and that unemployed Americans are in "a mental recession." In fact, those remarks were so obnoxious that I wonder if they were engineered just to provide McCain an excuse for publicly distancing himself from Gramm. This issue is a lot deeper than it looks on the surface.

    When Gramm was a Senator he was chair of the Committee on Banking, and in that capacity he was able to push through the legislation now known as the "Enron Loophole." This loophole allowed US investment banks to bypass the Federal regulations governing futures trading, and is the reason why the investment banks were able to falsely inflate the prices of oil, wheat, corn and other commodities through massive futures trading, causing your costs of gas, heating oil and food to go through the roof.

    Gramm was a member of McCain's campaign team, but now Gramms' name is turning to mud. In addition to the Enron loophole, Gramm pushed through the Gramm-Leach-Biley Act in 1999, which got rid of the laws that seperate banking, insurance and brokerage activities in America. Essentially, this Act did away with all of the good laws written after the Great Depression to protect us from another Wall Street/Banking Industry collapse. That's right, Gramm stripped the system of it's safe guards nine years ago, and guess what? The value of the dollar has nose-dived, Wall Street is highly unstable, and we are in the midst of a recession.

    Now you could say that this is not Gramm's fault, that he didn't know what the outcome of his actions would be. However, it turns out that the same investment banks that benefited from the Enron loophole and from the Gramm Act gave more than a million dollars to Gramm's campaign. Uh oh. A Congressional hearing is going to be convened to investigate this. And McCain wants to have noting to do with Gramm, wants us to forget that Gramm has been a key player on McCain's campaign team. Gramm was McCain's campaign CO-CHAIR and LEADING ECONOMIC ADVISER.

    With Gramm in the driver's seat as his leading economic adviser, now you know why economists and analysts are saying that McCain's economic policy plans are untenable.

    • Posted By: eternity875 @ 07/10/2008 6:49:09 PM

      I think you should visit JohnMcCain.com and see the long list of economists and analysts who are in support of McCain's economic plan and Jobs for America before you imply they are all against his plan. The rest of it, who knows? Unless you're an insider in either campaign, you really don't know the inner workings of politics and politicians.

  • Posted By: Kim in Pasadena @ 07/10/2008 5:58:01 PM

    Some folks are so desperate they are focusing on Senator Obama's decision not to let his children be interviewed again.....
    Perhaps, your desperation is really caused by the last 7+ years of incompetent and often corrupt governance -- the kind provided by our current President and the kind highly likely to continue under Senator John Sidney McCain III. May I suggest you check out some real solutions to our growing problems (which are most definitely NOT psychosomatic!) http://www.barackobama.com/issues/


    • Posted By: amendment2man @ 07/10/2008 6:05:07 PM

      There is no desparation on the posts which point out certain inconsistencies with your candidate which are far more impactful than you would let on.

      The point is that if one bends to the wind then no real principles exist within that person. this is the problem with your guy. say what you will about Mccain but the man has been a POW. the objective of the captors is to break your will and make you agree or at least seem to agree with them. This was never more true than in the Vietnam conflict. Mccain NEVER gave in even when he had a chance to go home early; he let others who have been ther longer leave first.

      nothing creates character like experience. you guy has none of either.

      • Posted By: eternity875 @ 07/10/2008 6:42:54 PM

        Good post, amendment...could not agree more. I would like to suggest that Kim in Pasadena check out real solutions to the economy and visit JohnMcCain.com - Jobs for America...the economic plan is pretty clearly set forth...I believe you will be able to understand it if you try. :-)

  • Posted By: 15R8 @ 07/10/2008 5:41:47 PM

    I grew up without a father too. I must say How much of a fool is Jackson. That one is on you Jackson and thats the best laugh EVER. Why don't you and the Rev .Sharpton hold hands and simply disappear .America loves Obamma !

    • Posted By: eternity875 @ 07/10/2008 6:10:38 PM

      No, 15, you cannot speak for America...YOU love Obama...I do not, and I am an American.

      • Posted By: amendment2man @ 07/10/2008 6:27:50 PM

        Thanks eternity for speaking for the rest of us. all of America does not love obama. the arrogance of the obama camp will come back to haunt them. Smugness is never attractive. November is a long way off for this newbie obama. when the political machine gets cranked up as it is now we will see if the ghost of the Mcgovern campaign will make a visit to the obama camp. obama=mcgovern come november.

        • Posted By: eternity875 @ 07/10/2008 6:40:26 PM

          I hope you're right amendment; I remember the McGovern days...worked on youth for McGovern in my state, even though I couldn't vote yet...youth are pretty easy to persuade and McGovern did a good job of it...said what we wanted to hear, that's for sure...electing him would have been a HUGE mistake for our country...and I do think Obama is just another version of McGovern and Carter. What a mistake.

  • Posted By: BLESSED GIRL 777 @ 07/10/2008 6:39:56 PM

    this was all planned out beforehand , its ascam jesse criticizes obama, so obama can appeal to middle ,wake up folks remember trianglation @ as the soviet spooks practised disinformation viva comrade obama!

  • Posted By: a brighter America 08 @ 07/10/2008 6:36:34 PM

    Hey Hilliary supporters, why do you go write out a check to Hilliary for $5 - $20 so she can pay off her $23 million debt? It would certainly give you something to do besides bash the winner of the primaries.

  • Posted By: krazyk1979 @ 07/10/2008 6:23:13 PM

    What a nation of whiners! WE need the patriotism that we had in the war of 1812. We need to be grateful of what we have now compared to what we want (not need in the future) I think the election is slim pickens anyway. No one has all the answers these days! Anyone of you try to go run for president! I bet you don't last two months in the campaign.

    • Posted By: amendment2man @ 07/10/2008 6:36:26 PM

      its too bad not as many people think like you sir you are one of the "non-Krazy" ones on this forum.

      it really is slim pickens(not the actor) for this election that why these folks complain about "issues".

      Hello it is the only real differentiation here along with the experience issue.

      Liberal? vote for obama then his stand is totally in agreement

      neo conservative leaning towards the middle? Mccain then is your boy.

      middle of the roaders(dont stand there you get run over)? probably lean towards Mccain as his stand on issues such as guns, abortion and taxes will have an influence on these folks.

      so how can thes folks say? Issues? we don't need no stinkin issues!

  • Posted By: a brighter America 08 @ 07/10/2008 6:34:20 PM

    Rev Jackson has a foul mind and a forked tongue! Doesn't bespeak of a true reverend.

  • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 07/10/2008 6:30:50 PM

    First Rev Wright helps the O man by talking shyt about him.
    Then Jesse helps the O man by talking shyt about him.
    Ever feel like the brotha's are getting together behind the curtains and planning this shyt out?
    Funny how everytime he falls out with a so call black leader it benefits the Oman huh?
    Ever feel like the O man thinks were a bunch of idiots?
    Ever notice how most of you O man bots prove he is right?
    Spit the hook out fish, same bait, same pole, same BS

  • Posted By: krazyk1979 @ 07/10/2008 6:29:53 PM

    This a nation of spoiled whiners. We need to stand up for our country and what has been established so far. This nation has issues on the way it does business, but that is the fault of the past government, what can we do now! nothing but go on and be strong. The U.S. Presidency is "Slim Pickens" now, but what can we do? Anyone of you average joes try to run for the President, I bet you wouldnt last one month and you be ousted! The point is

  • Posted By: Johnny at Work @ 07/10/2008 4:45:39 PM

    The Jesse comment was staged without a doubt. He knew the cameras and mic were on.

    Obama is desparate to move to the middle and appeal to white voters. And it shows.

    • Posted By: cobalt6 @ 07/10/2008 5:14:07 PM

      You are so right!! Jackson must have known the camera was on, he is on fox news all the time!!! Obama and Jackson have been friends for a long time. I don't think it is wise for either party to play these games. Jackson is always standing up for the black community, so who better to say something against Obama, no one likes Jackson anyway!! Jesse Jackson is the reason his own son can't get up higher in politics, he keeps his own son down!!!

      • Posted By: eternity875 @ 07/10/2008 6:29:17 PM

        You guys are so right...Clinton politics as usual...Jackson doesn't mind playing the "bad cop" to Obama's "good cop."

  • Posted By: CarnacktheGreat @ 07/10/2008 4:59:13 PM

    Why does everyone think the media is on Obama's side? What about the whole Reverend Wright fiasco that drove the news cycle for weeks? What about all the criticism he got over refusing to wear an American flag lapel? What about the msm's responsibility for starting the rumors that he's a Muslim? If anything the media's been tougher on Obama than Hillary or McCain.

    • Posted By: cobalt6 @ 07/10/2008 5:24:57 PM

      I am an independant and I don'e like either candidate but even I can see that the media is on Obama's side. When storys like Rev. Wright, and the American flag came out, the media had to show them they could not just skip it, but when the storys came out they showed them and kept making excuses for Obama. Especially MSNBC!!! Just like when McCain said we could end up staying in Iraq for 100 years the media did not make excuses for him, they made sure everyone knew what he said. I think the media should be nutral but in this election that is not happening!!!

      • Posted By: teddyo @ 07/10/2008 5:46:13 PM

        What are you independant of? And for the Media I don't blame them. McCain is the same as Bush and he looks like a Corps.

        • Posted By: eternity875 @ 07/10/2008 6:27:34 PM

          LOL..teddyo...that's funny...McCain and Bush are pretty much different so you've been at the kool-aid again, haven't you! Also, I am curious as to which "Corps" McCain looks like...the Marine Corps? When you're trying to be witty, it helps if you can spell the word you would like to use.

  • Posted By: Vickie1ok @ 07/10/2008 5:56:40 PM

    Howard, you are a filthy cheerleader and you have been from day one. You are also sexist but we just can't use the S word in the media, can we? West Virginia, my ass. You are increidbly stupis if you think more than half of Clinton voters will vote for Obama. The best he can hope for is they don't vote for either.

    Newsweek is more biased than Fox news and I never thought I would say that. But you overly paid people don't care about issues, only style. Issues don't involve you. Lofty vague rhetoric will not improve the economy or education, lower the price of gas and offer a substantive policy on the Middle East.

    • Posted By: cwinebarger @ 07/10/2008 6:20:32 PM

      More than half of Clinton voters will vote for Obama. It's clearly shown in the lead Obama has in every poll, unless those numbers INCLUDE more than half of Clinton voters not voting for him. If that's the case, that's fine too. Either way, Obama has a lead over McCain. You can choose to believe that Clinton supporters will not support Obama, but you'll find yourself in the minority. For those that actually do follow through with that threat, they obviously weren't voting based on the candidates' stances on issues anyway.

  • Posted By: amendment2man @ 07/10/2008 6:18:46 PM

    I do not agree with the "hater" label given unanimoiusly to all who do not support obama.

    I will not vote for your candidate; but hate him? I don't know him personally so how can I ? I am also of a Christian persuasion which generally in it's purest form discourages "hating"

    I do not agree with his voting record or stand on the issues. but hate. it is a strong word which is childish and inappropriate in a political contest.

  • Posted By: teach34181 @ 07/10/2008 5:58:54 PM

    I'm a responsible parent of two children. One of which attends the top school in the state of Pa. I'm offended by any comments Obama may have made regarding adult African-American men and "boys." Caucasian men are, well men, and men at times don't do well by their offspring. This is not a race issue, it's a sex issue. Women tend to care for their offspring more than men for whatever reasons. I'm not defending irresponsible African-American or Caucasian men -- just feel offended that the 1st African-American man to legitimately run for the highest office in the land feels the need to repeat the Caucasian mantra....

    • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 07/10/2008 6:15:30 PM

      Why do you call me white "boy" then?

  • Posted By: Lefty55 @ 07/10/2008 5:33:17 PM

    So....The Rev Jackson says he wants to cut Obama's nuts off and that's a GOOD thing. Only Newsweek could take a comment like that and spin it around. Amazing....

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/10/2008 6:13:27 PM

      They're positing it as a good thing because just about all the non-haters can tell Jackson's WAY out of line. When someone who's generally controversial and frequently hypocritical goes past the bend in making comments, it usually backfires like this.

      I personally give Chris Rock credit for recognizing that Jesse had an ugly side way back in his 1996 HBO special, myself.

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