The Truth About Torture

With that kind of reasoning, I'm sure he would be completely fine for a person that had just tortured his wife/daughter/son/mother et el, to be exhonerated and not held accountable so long as that person tells him exactly what was done to his beloved family member. Yea, didn't think so. IDIOT!

BS. georgee has brought america down to the terrorists level. remember when america was 'better' than that.

The Geneva Convention prohibits absolving people who commit war crimes.
From Convention IV, Part IV, Section 1, Subsection III, Art. 148:
Art. 147. Grave breaches to which the preceding Article relates shall be
those involving any of the following acts, if committed against persons or
property protected by the present Convention: wilful killing, torture or
inhuman treatment, including biological experiments, wilfully causing great
suffering or serious injury to body or health, unlawful deportation or
transfer or unlawful confinement of a protected person, compelling a
protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile Power, or wilfully
depriving a protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial
prescribed in the present Convention, taking of hostages and extensive
destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military
necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly.
No High Contracting Party shall be allowed to absolve itself or any other High Contracting Party of any liability incurred by itself or by another High Contracting Party in respect of breaches referred to in the preceding Article...

And the preceding Article:



Art. 147. Grave breaches to which the preceding Article relates shall be
those involving any of the following acts, if committed against persons or
property protected by the present Convention: wilful killing, torture or
inhuman treatment, including biological experiments, wilfully causing great
suffering or serious injury to body or health, unlawful deportation or
transfer or unlawful confinement of a protected person, compelling a
protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile Power, or wilfully
depriving a protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial
prescribed in the present Convention, taking of hostages and extensive
destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military
necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly.Art. 147. Grave breaches to which the preceding Article relates shall be
those involving any of the following acts, if committed against persons or
property protected by the present Convention: wilful killing, torture or
inhuman treatment, including biological experiments, wilfully causing great
suffering or serious injury to body or health, unlawful deportation or
transfer or unlawful confinement of a protected person, compelling a
protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile Power, or wilfully
depriving a protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial
prescribed in the present Convention, taking of hostages and extensive
destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military
necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly.

Stuart Taylor seeks a kind of justice that is prudent, expedient, politic, and practical. These are the same qualities these men used to excuse their crimes. Picking apart his argument is pointless. Justice is blind.

Stuart Taylor's argument in favor of no accountability for officials who condoned and/or promoted torture is simply one of the worst and weakest arguments I've seen. His comments fly in the face of the very foundation of our country and basis of the Constitution. The Rule of Law takes precedence over all. No official, no matter what level, is above the law. It's that simple. I'll bet he was thrilled with the telecom companies getting retroactive/cover-up immunity. He should be ashamed of himself for writing this tripe.

Stuart Taylor recommends that Americans have a "...serious conversation about what U.S. interrogation rules should be, recommend legal reforms..."
Wow! You mean the answers are NOT already blatantly obvious?!?! People actually have to THINK about what the proper answer to these questions are? I'm sorry, but there's simply nothing to be debated. Those who tortured broke the law and ancient codes of morality and need to be placed in jail for the rest of their lives.
"I was just following orders" was rejected as an answer back in the late 1940s. The US under G.W. Bush is hugely unpopular around the world. People think we've completely lost our moral compass, that America has no clue as to what's right and what's wrong anymore. I would submit that articles like this simply dig the hole deeper and illustrate to the world precisely what the problem is.

Stuart Taylor recommends that Americans have a "...serious conversation about what U.S. interrogation rules should be, recommend legal reforms..."
Wow! You mean the answers are NOT already blatantly obvious?!?! People actually have to THINK about what the proper answer to these questions are? I'm sorry, but there's simply nothing to be debated. Those who tortured broke the law and ancient codes of morality and need to be placed in jail for the rest of their lives.
"I was just following orders" was rejected as an answer back in the late 1940s. The US under G.W. Bush is hugely unpopular around the world. People think we've completely lost our moral compass, that America has no clue as to what's right and what's wrong anymore. I would submit that articles like this simply dig the hole deeper and illustrate to the world precisely what the problem is.

I guess a should expect an article like this from thi magazine after they hired Karl Rove. Would Mr Taylor rather that a person who kidnapped tortured and murdered his own family shouldnt be prosecuted so they would be more truthful. This goes to accountability and the rule of lw. This adminstration has acted outside that for a long time. They need to face war crimes trials with no chance of pardons when found guilty.

To not prosecute those responsible for torturing another human is as unthinkable as the torture itself. All I need to know is that it happened. I don't need education on torture, I don't plan on torturing anyone. What should be learned from this is that sickening behavior like this is prosecuted to the fullest extent. If anyone needs details, they could just ask those arrested for the behavior how they would go about getting the details from a 'detainee' if it were their job to do so. I wonder what they would say?

To not prosecute those responsible for torturing another human is as unthinkable as the torture itself. All I need to know is that it happened. I don't need education on torture, I don't plan on torturing anyone. What should be learned from this is that sickening behavior like this is prosecuted to the fullest extent. If anyone needs details, they could just ask those arrested for the behavior how they would go about getting the details from a 'detainee' if it were their job to do so. I wonder what they would say?

Sorry Ziv. I should have blamed Taylor for this mess,

This editorial is like saying Bush & Co. should get off free because they are guilty. Does Ziv write speeches for Bush? All responsibility goes up in smoke like the Republic did.

You know, you would think that you can find a lot of actually evil things in print all the time and all over the place these days. But it's only when you happen to come across the real thing that you're surprised to learn that that's not so. And then you really see the difference.

This article is actual evil.

What a disgusting piece, and a disgusting attitude. Since when does our country stand for pragmatism instead of justice? Taylor, you should be ashamed of yourself.

What a disgusting piece, and a disgusting attitude. Since when does our country stand for pragmatism instead of justice? Taylor, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Thank you for the Grammh information. This article repsents another Media Failure. The Media Failed us at the beginning of 9-11 by prasing Bush for everything. No Questions where asked about what happen before. Clarkes Aug 6 Memo from the CIA has never been discussed throughly by the Media. Clarke was the only one in 9-11 commission intedrview that apoligized to the American Public. Had Bush paid attention to that Memo perhaps 9-11 could have been prevented. I recommend highly two Books I recently read. "TORTURE TEAMS by Philipi Sands and "THE PROSECUTION OF GEORGE w. BUSH FOR MURDER', by Vincent Buliosi. Both authors are noted for their investiging writing and base their statements in their books on reference and FACTS. As I said this article again given Bush a free ride like they did at the beginning of 9-11.

The left hates Bush more than they defend the innocent. We cannot win a political correct war, what the left wants for all things - sameness, at the expense of truth, freedom, not the protection of only innocent Americans.

Now, even Bush hatred - and the left's confused priority of political correctness at any cost - is making it easier for those who wish to murder us to accomplish it.

Liberalism (progressiveism - whatever you on the left want to call it) does not lead to the greater good, does not lead to more truth, does not lead to better values, it only lead to the opposite. Only, your hatred for our own matter more than the defense and safety and even survival of our own.

The left hates Bush for ???torture???, and of course never mind the fact that thousands of innocent lives were saved once those plots were stopped; that does not matter, only opposition to Bush at every cost matters. And never a complaint about their own party.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801664_pf.html

To the left, you leave behind very little to be proud of. But al qaeda and radical islam certainly thanks you.