I would hope that no one say "less troops", but use the correct form: "fewer troops"!
I would hope that no one say "less troops", but use the correct form: "fewer troops"!
What a leakfest this article is! All of this is supposed to be unreleased and confidential.
Obviously Hirsh is a tool of the neocon hawks trying to kill this report and defame Obama.
Such corruption in the media. It's 1898 all over again.
Ozebra and McCain differ in that the one with actual experience keeps his mouth shut on any plans , time tables and specifics for troop withrwels,Where as Candidate Amateur Hour blabs his plans all over the globe (which the enemy fighting our trops will find convenient and usefull to our troopps detriment!).
It is eridiculouse for Ozebra to do that! Entirely irresponsible! And a major factor against his ever being elected to become the Commander In Chief of the US ARMED FORCES. He's disqualified himself!
Ozebra deserves the heat! Ozebra maintains an ambi-position on the war in Iraq and war on terror in general, which only a Send Up could possible maintain due to lack of authentic critical examination!
Obama has made his positions very clear on the war in iraq and the war on terror, you would know this if you only would take your fingers out of your ears when he speaks. McSame has made his specifics for a timetable for withdrawals (100 years). Ozebra? sounds pretty raciest to me.
I hate seeing dead American servicemen of any color for any reason. Worse that the leader blabs his intentions as he changes the color order of his stripes to fit the polls...
.... I have seen dead US service men and wounded... and must ask, do you see racists everywhere? And homophobes ,too?
To continue: All it would take is ONE private to say, "This is crazy! I won't do it!" and be backed up by his Captain, who fully agrees AND is not the coward that deserter bush is. Stephen Rohaty, combat veteran
How about if the one private decides to leave Obamas war and his captain agrees? Obamas talk of peace is called a campaign promise...as in wish in one hand and --you know the drill!
obama would not be a very good commander in chief with all his troops engauged in this kind of "bravery." And thats what this election is all about!
who is going to make the better commander in chief of all the US armed Forces!
Did you leave buddys in a bad situation there,Combat Vet?
You're an Obama supporter! thats's for sure!
Leavening local troops with Americans did NOT work in Vietnam. It CANNOT work now! I speak from the experience of 2 tours listening to Ruff Puff excuses. And when does the Pentagon expect the first American mutiny? They MUST have predicted it.
Ditto to the comment below. I'm stunned that such an incorrect use of the English language was used for the title of this article. Anyone working for Newsweek should certainly know better - or they should go back to school and learn the rudiments of the language before picking up another paycheck.
Only someone uneducated in the use of the english language says "less troops." Fewer troops is correct. If something can be counted, "fewer" is used. If it cannot be counted, "less" is used.
Let us reduce the number of troops, so that there are fewer of them.
I think this is proof to back up Mccain's point all along. Let's give progress a chance and the draw down in troops will be the natural step to the success we are seeing in Iraq. Mccain has always said that the war will end much quickly then most expect due to the recent surge success and this is validation that Mccain is correct!
Oh please, it figures you Republicans would try to turn it around and make it look like a win for McCain. He has stated over and over it will be years before we can even consider withdrawing out troops.
It has been a number of things that came together, it was not just the surge. The Iraqis have played a role in it too. The Iraqi troops are ready years earlier than McCain has previously estimated. Iraq and Iran have been holding meetings, at the complete disapproval of Bush, which has resulted in a drastic reduction of insurgents. Then there is the truce with Al-Sadr, which is the main reason for the reduction in violence. McCain didn't change his tune about the war and ending it sooner till he found out the American public wouldn't stand for a war with no ending in sight. He has always stated it didn't matter how long we were there, as long as American lives weren't lost.
Well, I have responded to two idiots so far and been blocked. Many of by brothers and sisters in the military have died. I did not when I was in combat dangling from a rope from a helicopter. To those of you jack asses who still think the war is about oil, you are still wrong! If it was about oil, we would send in the main weapons and own Iraq, Iran, Israel, and the rest of the Middle East. There would be no OPEC, because we, the US, would be running the show. This war was started back in when Mr. Carter was the President. Remember? The man who gave money and weapons to Bin Laden? Before you respond to this, make sure you research and make sure that you are right. I was an adult when Carter was the pres, not in diapers or being created, or being thought of before the creation.
And for Lee2008, please don't jump in my foxhole. Although I have many of the same religeous beliefs, I will kill before I will ALLOW myself to be killed.
Was jimmy Carter in office in 1984. When Osama recieved money from the CIA to aid the Afghans in the fight against the Soviets
I find it very weird how the same religion can cause two totally different perspectives on life -- oh wait, that happens all the time.....in politics.
Maybe you should read my post again and stop with the political bs.
When is Iraq going to start repaying the USA for ALL the money we've spent on their war?
What exactly do they owe us? We invaded their country under false pretense, a lie, destroyed their infrastructure, caused hundreds of thousands of innocent civilian deaths, and millions of refugees for starters. We are responsible for the al-queda presence that is now in their country, which has brought daily suicide bombings. We brought their country to the brink of civil war. They live in fear of going to the market, to prayer, to school, to work because they might be shot or blown to bits, all because of a lie by the Bush Administration. There was no "faulty" intelligence, just fabricated intelligence. Send the bill to Bush and Cheney, those two are the ones who are profiting by their little war.
Since you say there was no faulty intelligence and it was fabricated, I challenge you! ///////////////////////you are one sided when it comes to poliitics. My question. Do you think that Osama BinLaden has anything to do with the Twin Towers? If so, how would you deal with it in your ultimate wisdome? If not, who is responsible, and why?
Where was Obama last seen? I don't think it was in Iraq. Sadam had to say that he had WMD's to keep Iran from invading Iraq.
Uh, what ARE you talking about? I am talking about Iraq, Bin Laden had NOTHING to do with Iraq, nor our invasion of it. His terror cells were not even there when we invaded. There were no WMD's nor al-queda training camps operating there, as Bush claimed for reasons to invade. He is the one who blamed it on faulty intelligence when neither was proven. What exactly are you challenging me on? Those are proven facts. The only person who appears one sided by your many, many ridiculous posts is YOU pal. You sound like a broken record in each of your posts. You seriously should seek professional. You seem like a very angry individual.
They aren't.
How can Obama who has never been in the military make a decision on withdrawal. He will need the advise of the top miliary commanders. Obama is a young kid who is running but is not sure why. It is obvious someone is telling Obama what to say and when to smile etc. How can Obana go to Iraq,spend a few hours and then say I know what needs to be done and I know how to h andle this war. I spent less than a day in Iraq and that makes me an expert. I have no confidence in Obama.
The more you read the more informed you are. I don't think that anyone can make a decision on anything in Iraq with out being informed. This is why the military has reports. Someone makes a unit assessment on the ground situation then they pass it up to their superiors who make a higher level assessment and pass it on to their superiors. Then at a certain level that assessment becomes a recommendation. That recommendation will become an informed decision. That is how the process works. Anyone can make a decision with that type of process. Now we come to the problem with the current administration. The job of the Commander and Chief is to say to the Unified Combatant Commands this is our objective get it done. Then it???s the job of those Commanders to assess the ground situation and accomplish the set goals the best way they see fit. The current Commander and Chief since being in the Air National Guard fancies himself some sort of military strategist when he is not. McCain with respect to his military record never commanded anything therefore would only have a slight edge over Obama which would be that he served in the military. Serving in the military doesn???t qualify you as a great leader. I know tons of not smart (Dum Bass) people that served in the military.
To Ron in Tikrit,
I too am in Iraq and I work for KBR. How can you possibly say the things you did and still look at yourself in the mirror. Eventhough I agree with you on the Bosnian issue, I know waaaay too many retired military, college educated, and skilled tradesmen that are over here making cities on top of the desert. We are paid well because this place sucks just as the Alaskan Pipeline crews were and as are the folks that work on pieplines on the bottom of the ocean, to name a few examples; there are dozens more. Why are you here? To make money? so in your case there is nothing wrong with wanting to make a decent living? If the military wants civilians to build and operate their bases, who do you suggest for that contract? Anyone but KBR I suppose. Changing political parties is no big deal, that's a freedom the military provides us! But to be on the KBR payroll AND complaining about KBR only makes sense to a moron Sir!
Brett Baghdad, Iraq
Sorry Brett,
I don???t work for the KBR. My apologies for the comment on educated tradesmen of KBR. University of Phoenix has had several large graduating classes over the years. Only in KBR can a truck driver and a carpenter who can barely spell their name are managers and project managers. I left that pack of losers to work for quality not quantity years ago. So that gaggle of idiots your intertwined with or going to have a harsh reality when this project ends and they have to go back scrubbing toilets for what they are really qualified for. SO gather all of your company???s losers together and enjoy what little time you have left. Bottom line change is coming.
Enter Your CommentSir, The military really doesn't provide our freedom, we the people do. Second, if KBR were any lesser a crook it might still be part of Haliburton. But we need to keep the war profiteer separate from HAL.
You are not in Iraq, and stop trying to make it sound like you are in your future posts. You are on the East coast of The US. I can tell by the time posted. 3 hours ahead of me, who is on the west coast. I must ask, how can you look at yourself in the mirror knowing you lied about your post? You have no clue what combat is apperently. Maybe you should have spent time in the military when I did. And I will tell you I was ain the Army. I was an air assault combat MP. I was one of the first in when Somolia started and have fired my weapon in defense.
To happ99,
To whom are you addressing your comment? FYI, us folks here in Iraq are 8 hours ahead of the Central Time zone. So, do the math, we can read news stories and post comments all during the night time in the states because it our DAYTIME. Have you been drinking sir? I spent 25 years in the US Army before coming back here as a contractor. The Rockets and Mortars that come over the wire don't care who they kill just as long as it's an American. Furthermore, The IEDs don't care either, check the news from July 9th coming out of Mosul. I hope you get some rest and sober up my Army Brother.
hmmm...hard to reply to this one, but, I will. I have done my time in combat, not as a contractor, but as a target. I also know that Iraq is not 3 hours ahead of the west coast, which is what your posts are showing.
As far as rockets and mortars, ...well, maybe you should have spent some time in combat to know. Drinking? No. only a few nights a week do I do that, and tonight is not one of them, although after reading some of these posts I probably should. ooooohhh rahhhh
I do have my issues after my time in the military, but have enough sense to know that I have tried to go back in, and the military said I was to old. When all this Iraq thing started I tried to get back in. Maybe I'm crazy, but maybe I love my wife, family, friends, and the others that are here in the US that are good people that need help defending themselves.
I do know where I have been, and what I have been through, and it takes a lot not to go crazy. Dicipline.
As I said earlier, OOOH RAAA!!! That goes out to all our troops also. I love all of them.
this is all nonsense. The bottom line us troops should not have been in Iraq. every other strategy that is being discussed is unacceptable. us troops need to get the **** of iraq. that is the only morally acceptable thing to do. justice,liberation and all other BS are just bunch of crap. Americans are dam stupid and have no common sense
Man, are there a lot of experts posting here. How many of you have been there? I have and let me tell you we are turning the corner. The media has brainwashed you all so bad that you can see that you now have one of the greatest presidents to ever sit in the White House. You democrats can all just clam up. The only thing you don't really like about the war is that some of our republican tax dollars are going to Iraq instead of to you. When will you ever become self reliant??? Quit taking other's hard earned money and start paying your own way. Most of us in uniform (at least those really dedicated) are all voting red again this year. We deserve better than having BO as our Commander in Chief.
Enter Your CommentSir, you like WAR way to much. Its a job, not a life. I spent 20 years surviving it.
I am not even sure what this even means? Are you saying there are no democrats serving in Iraq? What are you talking about?
I know what it means, and he is right. He is not saying D's are not serving in Iraq. He is saying that you, yourself is a coward, and you personally need to spend some time in the military in a combat position. He is saying his opinion from what he sees.
Idiots like you should be in a war just to see how crazy you can make it and get.
For my own information, how many have watched Red Dawn? If you don't think it can happen, you are wrong.
You think Bush is a bad president,wait until McCain is elected.
DONT VOTE McCain
Get real brother... If you think Obama will save your sorry you know what. you are sadly mistaken. It appears that we are winning based on what I am reading and hearing from the folks that are there. Obama and the Dems would have had us out there and the place would have beeen a mess. I turn your sentence back on you... DON"T VOTE Obama!
Enter Your CommentSir, it seems relatively easy to find a die hard Republican. I was one of those fools that first term but not the second and I really don't believe we should listen or trust another Republican for sometime into the future. But, good luck to you and your thoughts.
SEnter Your Comment
Gump - you're a genius. Dispatch yourself and your crystal ball to the Pentagon forthwith. They're waiting on you.
Please save America...stop being so short sighted. Wars NEVER EVER EVER go well at first, and they ALWAYS talk a long time for progress to be made. The Iraq war is no exception. I've been there and seen the progress that never gets reported. Stop reporting from your couch just because you've read an article created by someone with a 3 year Journalisim degree from a community college. The bottom line is that The Revolutionary War, Civil War, and WWII all started horribly with much worse results. Are you telling me now that those should not have been fought...that American's should still be a colony, slavery still abundant, and just about the entire world run by Nazi-Germany. Stop being AFRAID OF SUCCESS. Yes, you heard me, you want so badly to be able to point your finger at others for being wrong, or making mistakes...when really...the right thing has been done...and it is succesful whether you like it or not. NO ONE EVER promised that it would be short and simple...in fact, I remember SEVERAL times hearing EVERYONE involved say that it would take time and patience...even Bush, and Rumsfeld who you are obviously giving a fair chance. You wouldn't dare disagree with them because your friend told you to. Stop being spoiled, the world is NOT perfect, wars are not fought without death (unfortunately), and sometimes things have to be done to protect the world/others that YOU (and who are you?!?!?!) don't agree with. You don't know everything (neither do I) so stop acting so high and mighty. It IS a success. Deal with it.
You Sir, wouldn't know successful if it hit you in the face.
You wouldn't know success if it hit you in the face.
Um, wrong. You can write all the long-winded, denial laced text you want. But the facts of the matter are:
1. The Iraq war should have never happened. All troops should have been in Afghanistan. Period!
2. The strategy of the Iraq war for 4+ years was horrible because of Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz -- and you know I really blame a lot of this on -- Paul Bremmer! In fact, I think Bush was left out of the loop on a lot of this, but the buck does have to stop at his desk.
3. Things are getting better in Iraq. That is wonderful. Seriously. Still doesn't mean the war should have happened in the first place.
4. Our world standing from the perspective of foreign policy is tarnished because of the Iraq war. Everyone was with us for Afghanistan. Most were adamantly against us for Iraq.
Those are facts. Undeniable. Irrefutable.
And, I am so amazed that people cannot admit that (1) the Iraq war was a mistake, (2) they are glad things are going well now and (3) let's hope the next administration, whoever that is, has more foreign policy sense than this one. Because this administration was horrible. I know the Republicans out there hate to admit wrong, but I can sleep at night because I know it is absolutely true.
You have posted four opinions, (maybe you should find out the meaning of the work fact). Although many people will agree with you OPINIONS, there are those that support America in its efforts to establish some form of stability in the middle east. Additionally, you want to add 150,000 troops to Afghanistan. Wow-with the challenges we currently have in Pakistan what would that say to the rest of the world? You probably have an OPINION on that also, but it is not a fact!!!! Next time, try some facts, like 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" moved from Iraq to Canada. Read the article: http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080706/NEWS02/807060337/1006/NEWS
OK-it is not a bomb yet, but what is it used for?
How about the improvements in the living standards in Iraq-water systems in place, economy beginning to move foreward, etc. These are facts. Did we need a war to make it happen? Now that answer is an OPINION. And like my Dad always says-OPINIONS are like A-oles, everyone has one and they usually stink.
I totally disagree. What I stated is not opinion; it is fact.
1. We were told a reason that we were going to war with Iraq that didn't exist. That is a fact. Thus we shouldn't have been to war with Iraq. That is a fact.
2. The strategy in Iraq was horrible for 4+ years. That is a fact. Even John McCain said that.
3. Things are getting better in Iraq. That is a fact. Not sure why *you*, especially, would call that an opinion.
4. You are going to sit here and tell me it is not a fact that the general feeling towards the U.S. foreign policy has not been tarnished since we went to war with Iraq. You are seriously going to tell me that?!? What, has our reputation gotten more favorable? Come on now.
Afghan and Paki will not allow US troops to move in according to the newspaper I received today. Bin Ladan still safe. Why you ask? They have nukes and are getting to the point that they will use them in the ME.
...and the thing is...you think I am this anti-war bigot. When in fact, I was 110% for the Afghanistan war and even the first Gulf war to much degree. I just know that the Iraq war was deceptive at best; and a blatant lie to the American people at worst.
Reality Check,
So you fine happiness when people are killed. Do you think the 150000 Iraqis who have died were all extremist? Then you must be foolish. At the same time do you think 4000 US citizen killed is so small a sacrifice? Do you know how many families are mourning lost ones due to the Iraq war? A war that has been proven as not to have been a necessity but for an ideology propagated by BUSH and McCAIN? Do you know how many families are fatherless or motherless due to this war? Do you know how many people have lost their jobs due to this war? The war was a blunder and I cannot vote for someone who participated in such a blunder.
Are you an American citizen? I am unsure from your writing that you can even understand English. I watched the video - he says "presence - as long as Americans aren't harmed." He does not say "bases".
No bases? Hope Iraqi's are building some Motel 6's with a shuttle to the Baghdad Airport. Special discount to US troops? Does that suffice as a "presence?" Get a grip!
it appears that lenkatesi and mariahisabella suffer from the largest problem this country now faces, partisan hatred to the nth degree. whether people that hate this current president get it or not this countrys military performed remarkably. A dictator who according to russian, french, and british intel was dealing with terrorists has been removed and our president whether the arm chair quarter backs like it or not truly connected the dots as requested on 9/11. i only hope that at the end of this coming election whoever the losing party is can demonstrate a greater love for this country and its presidential office than the people so selfishly critical now. god bless america
One more thing dozer, no where in any post have I ever dishonored our brave young men and women. Iraq feels they are ready to protect their country now,, so our troops did what was asked of them, at a great price in loss of life, and years spent away from loved ones. Before you question my love for this country, my family gave the ultimate sacrifice for this country. I lost a grandfather in WWII, a father in Vietnam, and my brother came home minus a limb from Iraq. If someone doesn't share YOUR views, that doesn't mean they love this country any less than you do.
Your facts don't hold water. You should at least try to know what your talking about. The Hussein/terrorist link was disproved years ago. Your misinformation endangers democracy and is in no way patriotic.
Hate to burst you bubble dozer, I voted for Bush the first time around, and WAS a life long Republican until recently. The second time around I refused to vote for him, not because I hate him, because I didn't agree with his strong arm cowboy tactics. I am now an Independent, not a Democrat, so your whole "partisan hatred" doesn't fly. I will vote for the man, who I think is best for the job, not the party. Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, and that whole "Saddam was dealing with terrorists" was just another fantasy and was proven false.
happ99 has the hostility issues I think. Calling me an idiot and all that. I am not mad at him/her though. I am sad, actually. Good luck working out your personal issues.
PleaseSaveAmerica, happ99 suffers from an inferiority complex, which is pretty evident by his many childish, insulting rantings on here, and that's putting it nicely. I actually think he has a few screws missing, or maybe just too much to drink last night. In his world, he is right and anyone who disagrees is unpatriotic and uneducated. All you can really do is just shake your head and just pity the poor guy. You can't reason with him.
It is interesting that when the PM of Iraq says our troops need to withdraw based on a timetable, the war supporters say it is a negotiation position and not a true statement. The man sounded pretty serious to me. We allowed these people to have their voice and they have spoken--George and Dick --Are you listening.
I think it is time that the american troops leave, the "bush and friends show" keep trying to protray that there has been progress in Iraq since this war began, but we all know the reality, and progress is far from true. More people have died in the US invasion of Iraq that can truely be counted correctly. It is time they leave Iraq to the people in Iraq. A time line withdrawl is their right and nobody can say that america is fighting for the Iraqi peoples freedom, at least not anymore, and if some ignorant american still believes that then it is easy to say that he or she has half a brain or a bush for brain. It's time america admits they lost this war, just like vietnam. America has lost this war, america has lost this war, and america has lost this war. With all the sophisticated weaponry, they could not control a war torn country like Iraq, so yes pull out and admit the loss, because we already know we are just waiting for them to admit it.
There's a saying in Iraq. America is not at war - America is at the Mall. The US troops are at war in Iraq.
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