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Powering Up: Musk hopes to bring electric cars to the masses
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The electric car has been pronounced dead many times, but Elon Musk is out to resurrect it. The South African-born Musk left home at age 17 for North America and made a fortune when PayPal, a company he cofounded, was sold to eBay in 2002. One of his new companies—he's chairman of three start-ups—is Tesla Motors, a San Carlos, Calif.-based electric-car manufacturer. Its first model, the Tesla Roadster, is a sleek, high-end sports car with an eyepopping price tag. It'll start rolling onto streets this summer. NEWSWEEK's Fareed Zakaria spoke to Musk about the future of transportation in an oil-constrained world. Excerpts:

Zakaria: What's your goal in producing the Tesla Roadster?
Musk:
This car itself is not going to change the world—it's a $100,000 sports car being produced in quantities of about 1,800 a year. Where it really becomes meaningful is when we produce the next models, which will be lower-cost and higher-volume. Our second product is a sedan that is about half the price and will be produced in late 2010 in 20,000 units a year.

And your third model will be even cheaper.
Yes. As a rough rule of thumb, when you increase the production quantity by a factor of 10, you can reduce the price by a factor of two. In the early 20th century, cars were initially something for wealthy people. It took quite some time for the cost to be optimized and become accessible to a broader population. It's the same thing here—we'll see the traditional technology learning curve. We're trying to push it as fast as we possibly can, and we think we could either directly or in partnership with a major auto company actually get to a car that is under $30,000 in four years.

Your car runs exclusively on electricity, but GM and Toyota are working on so-called plug-in hybrids, which also feature a gas tank to extend the range. Why didn't you do the same?
We spent a lot of time last year looking at plug-in hybrids and ultimately concluded that it would not be a very good car. You're forced to compromise. Because you need both a gasoline-powered engine and a big battery, neither can be very good, and the engine will be a weak engine. It's just not where the future lies. We'll be able to offer a car with a 305-mile range roughly three years from now.

Most people travel less than 50 miles a day.
And 99 percent of travel is under 200 miles [a day]. There is the occasional road trip, but that's actually pretty rare, and for some people it's never. Our second model will address that rare case in two ways. One is to allow people to switch out the battery pack, so you can go to a battery-change station just like you'd go to a gas station. The second path is to have a high-speed charge. If you have a high-powered onboard charger, you can get an 80 percent charge in 45 minutes. If you're going from L.A. to San Francisco, which is about a 400-mile trip, you can drive 200 miles, stop for lunch, charge your car in the restaurant parking lot, finish lunch and continue the remaining 200 miles to San Francisco.

What is your solution to the problem of needing a large or heavy battery in order to store a lot of energy?
I think what we'll see is an increasing amount of energy being stored in the battery pack and a lowering of the cost of the battery pack over time. It's not the only thing. The efficiency of the electric motor, the efficiency of the powertrain, the rolling resistance are all important.

Why is it so difficult to make a battery that can hold a huge charge for lots of time?
I think engineering is harder than physics, and I'm a physics guy. If you look at the improvement of battery energy density, it tracks to about 8 or 9 percent a year.

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  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 09/12/2008 5:02:55 AM

    Fareed, you can throw away your car a get the solar powered one, not me. Come on let us face the facts that there are so many set backs in the solar powered car and it is just a play thing. It is obviously expensive,not practical and not reliable when you really need it.

  • Posted By: Mrcheap @ 07/22/2008 9:34:30 PM

    I think Mr Musk has hit the nail on the head. I have just purchased a Prius, which I love at 50+ miles per gallon, but I am sure that in 10 years people will be saying the same thing concerning electric vehicles. It is no longer a matter of choice; we will be foreced into it. John L.

  • Posted By: austin c @ 07/20/2008 10:31:28 PM

    The electric car has been demonstrated to be practical for short commute in California. It is time to bring them back to production soon. A plug in hybrid is also desirable, the only disadvantage is that with the additional batteries, the car will be heavier than the current hybrid and the gas mile may not be as high as the current hybrid. The problem seems to bolt down to the development of light weight batteries to store electricity, which may not be easy.

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