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  • Posted By: Windy City @ 07/15/2008 12:48:51 AM

    Mr. Obama is correct--his understanding of the message of Christ is going to be problematic with many evangelicals and other believers who trust that Jesus knew what he was talking about when he described a narrow path to salvation. It would seem that the senator knows more on the topic than the man in whom his faith rests.

  • Posted By: Windy City @ 07/15/2008 12:46:42 AM

    Mr. Obama is correct--his understanding of the message of Christ is going to be problematic with many evangelicals and other believers who trust that Jesus knew what he was talking about when he described a narrow path to salvation. It would seem that the senator knows more on the topic than the man in whom his faith rests.

  • Posted By: darbyshaw @ 07/14/2008 11:17:11 PM

    To: jane.simpson.wilson (for some reason reply wouldn't let me respond directily). Great posting but please explaing what you mean by "I don't believe that it is about race, because is you are born of both white and black, where do YOU, stake your claim. " The Sweeter the Juice." I don't think so."? Nobody is talking about OB being white - even himself - so what are you saying especially emphasizing YOU?

    • Posted By: jane.simpson.wilson @ 07/14/2008 11:35:38 PM

      Thank you for your interest. "The Sweeter the Juice" is a demeaning notice within the African-American community that the more "white" your genetic profile is, the more you are suspect among African-Americans as being, "Black." The comment was directed at the very real discrimation that Senator Obama faces in both "Causcasian" and African-American" Commuities. Where is he to search for his Religous heritage? I believe, that "You" is a direct, and respectful acknowledgement of his very distinct heritage, which goes directly to what he, his family, and the American Public believes what he believes. I believe that Senator Obama is still on a quest to determine who he is and what he believe; hence, The First Amendment; our right to believe whatever we choose, without the wicked Tolerance that is imposed by a majority who thinks and believes something else. This, if anything else, was a fundamental freedom granted by our Founding Fathers.

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 07/14/2008 8:09:37 PM

    Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim...if you want to dispute it then the only other conclusion is that he's atheist. He was never baptized. Fact is , ask Barack Hussein Obama to produce a baptismal certificate from the Catholic Church or whatever other Christian diocese he may be from and he can't because he is not a Christian...never was baptized a Christian and thats because he's a Muslim..plain and simple. He could have put this debate to rest a long time ago ...all he had to do was show his baptismal certificate. He can't because he is not Christian !! Ask him who were his Godparents that presided his baptism. He can't...why not ?.....because he's not a Christian. He basically admitted early in his campaign that he is not a Christian.
    He claimed and its quoted ' the first time I saw Jesus Christ was when I attended a sermon at Trinity United Church some 20 years ago when Rev. Wright was preaching ". This says two things about Barack Hussein Obama...either he is a total nutbar and two...he may not realize it...but he's never been a member of a Christian church or Roman Catholic church......Trinity United..is no Christian church..and it sure does not preach Christianity....its a rotten dwelling for black preachers starving for attention and exploiting religion for their own self-serving and demented ways of entertainment.....take a cold shower all you sucker Americans that follow this biggest phoney in the history of the United States to ever run for President....you guys are so screwed !!

    • Posted By: the-commish @ 07/14/2008 11:20:51 PM


      Go back toi raking up your maple leaves! Better yet, just leave!

    • Posted By: soundiata @ 07/14/2008 9:44:52 PM

      You are a f***ing joke! mind your own business in your country and let us deal with ours. America has no lesson to take from an alien hate monger.

    • Posted By: imightbecrazybut @ 07/14/2008 9:25:26 PM

      II have not followed these blogs for awhile but I see Concerned Canadian is just as delusional as usual.

    • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 07/14/2008 8:42:22 PM

      I don't care what Obama's religion is, or McCain's, either.

      All I want to know is what either of these men propose to do about health care, jobs, pensions, the war, and the price of a gallon of gas.

      And frankly, I don't care if either of them makes a deal with the devil, as long as they come up with some workable solutions.

      • Posted By: HDavidson @ 07/14/2008 8:58:29 PM

        Canadian, what's the matter ay, out of hockey and beer? Try dry humpin a moose ay ;)

  • Posted By: jane.simpson.wilson @ 07/14/2008 10:58:32 PM

    I am the product of an Episcopalian Mother and a Catholic Father. I was baptised in both religions, and practiced both. This was confusing and liberating at the same time. I was given the gift of exploring religion by both of my Parents. And....Shocker....I am Mormon now, and have reservations of faith in this religion and others.

    I attended and graduated from the University of Virginia. The only three things on Thomas Jefferson's Oblisk at Montebello are the following:

    Author of the Declaration of Independence
    Author of the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom
    Founder of the University of Virginia.

    His greatest accomplishement, that he felt was his true legacy, was the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom. Mr. Jefferson, while serving as Ambassodor to France, wrote to his friend and collegague, Mr. James Madison and conspired to appeal to the gross arrogance and pride of thier significant enemy in the House of Burgess in Williamsburg, to elect him as Governor of Virginia, a good quarter-mile from the House of Burgess, and as Governor, the most prestigious and comely of all pulbick speakers was denied the opportunity to oppose the more unauspicoius and sickly of all publick-speakers, James Madison to bury hime in the House of Burgess and pass the Virginia Statute for Religous Freedom.

    For those, unaware of their American History, without the Virginia Statute for Religous Freedom, we would not have the First Amendment.

    Senator Obama, as long as you Beleive in a higher-power, and you are still searching for a home for your family and your faith. That, Sir, is the American-Way. Thanks to Thomas Jefferson and the brave and sickly Mr. James Madison. I don't believe that it is about race, because is you are born of both white and black, where do YOU, stake your claim. " The Sweeter the Juice." I don't think so.

    Senator Obama,
    As an Espicolith and a lapsed Mormon, you have my vote to purchase your religion wherever you see fit. It is a personal journey, and it is not over until we pass through the veil. As Far as I can see, you have done your best. Keep searching, keep growing. That is what the First Admendment is all about.

    God Bless you and yours.

  • Posted By: darbyshaw @ 07/14/2008 10:24:51 PM

    "Obama tried to explain his relationship with his pastor, to appeal to Americans' sense of the best in themselves. He spoke of racial divides in America as "a part of ourselves we have yet to perfect," and of his pastor as a flawed, human creature." What the heck is he saying here?? This gentlemen scholar belonged to this church for 20 years. Prior to this softsell (this article) of his relationship with the Trinity Church (which claims itself to be "Unashamedly All Black") - it has been oftened been printed that Rev Wright was a father figure to him. I believe even Oprah stated that is why he stayed with the church so long. He isn't playing "Two-Face" in the upcoming Batman movie is he?

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/14/2008 10:50:11 PM


      THE NEW YORK TIMES

      THE TWO OBAMAS - Dr. Barack and Fast Eddie Obama

      By DAVID BROOKS
      Published: June 20, 2008

      Full Article: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/opinion/20brooks.html?em&ex=1214193600&en=00c95f8ea46a7c37&ei=5087%0A

  • Posted By: mj it @ 07/14/2008 7:13:21 PM

    Hi Sharenews - did you get this news today? Banks are defaulting, Bush just raised the drilling ban (he is not interested in alternative energy like wind or solar,) and more troops were killed in Afghanistan...hell of a job Bushie! And McCain has every intention of continuing to sell us down the river...did you get that news?

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/14/2008 8:19:16 PM

      All the more reason why the Deceitful Negligent Committee should not have messed around with the democratic process and shove Obama down our throats, fixing the outcome to turn out the way it did. It will be a pity if a democrat is not the next President, but we can all thank the DNC and the MainStreamMedia for their bias towards ensuring that (come H*ll or high water), Obama was going to be the democratic nominee to run against McCain.

      BTW, I think Bush has been the worse president we have had in my lifetime, but McCain is not a duplicate of that guy. I wont let the DNC shove that type of thinking (thats their push,McSame,McLame,etc.) down my throat either as I consider whether to fully support McCain should Hillary not be on the ballot, which puma and hundreds of other organizations are pushing for and it is starting to look like that might actually happen. So thats my story and I am sticking to it.

      http://www.youtube.com/user/ShutTheFreudUp
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1whezcwSrQE
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

      Hillary Supporters Unite:
      www.together4us.com
      http://blog.pumapac.org/

      • Posted By: soundiata @ 07/14/2008 10:16:02 PM

        If OBAMA loses the elections or something catastrophic happens to him, i guarantee you that hillary clinton political career will be over! Her and her supporters will be blame for everything they have done to tarnish barrack's image and she will never be able to regain the african american nor the far left vote. Plus the republicans and the DNC will destroy her and erase her husband legacy.

        • Posted By: darbyshaw @ 07/14/2008 10:34:58 PM

          Woe - where did the "if something catastrophic happens to him come from" and why are you even thinking of that?

  • Posted By: Hillister @ 07/13/2008 4:10:43 PM

    I feel that Obama hates White America. Being white, I cannot vote for him. In fact, it seems that the Democratic, Socialist, Party would love to see the USA wipped off the face of the earth. I would hate to see America turned into a replica of a 3rd World African Nation.

    • Posted By: napili79 @ 07/13/2008 5:15:47 PM

      In case you haven't noticed the Republicans are doing a fine job of turning the U.S. into a third world nation. Crumbling infrastructure, corrupt government officials, no bid contracts, tax loopholes for the richest 20% of population, and eliminating civil rights in the name of "security", just to name a few. I could go on and on, but you wouldn't get it anyway.

      • Posted By: fonsoc @ 07/13/2008 5:36:15 PM

        Republicans doing their best to turn the US into a third world nation? You need to see your doctor for an exchange of drugs. Wake up friend. Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary and Bill Clinton, Barak Obama, and a host of other liberals including the liberal of liberals Ted Kennedy have been working a long time to bring this nation down. You better check their background and credentials much better before you go off on a rant against Republicans.

        The real problem isn't Democrats or Republicans but pure ignorance on the part of the American people as to what is truly happening when the media and the disgusting extremist liberals continue to thwart the will of the people of this country to gain their own personal ends no matter what it costs us! The list above is highly indicative of those who want their own way and seek their own advancement while disdaining all others of any persuasion who stand in their way.

        Stop looking at parties and start looking at individuals in government and see what they are doing and where they are heading. You will begin to get some insight then that may help you see more clearly.

        • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 07/14/2008 10:13:56 PM

          There is no doubt the repulicans are turning this country into a third world look alike, they regard the people of this country with distain but will "keep you safe" while they support any means to more cheap labor, and cheap labor equals a third world country, The whole issue of illeagal Immigration for example will dissappear just as soon as what used to be the middle class working folks accept the same wage and working conditions as the illegals or the Chinese.
          The Republicans have been pushing this for the last 30 years and have made great stides in the last 8.
          You mentioned Clinton during the Clinton Administration this country enjoyed pease and prosperity

        • Posted By: napili79 @ 07/13/2008 7:04:31 PM

          I apologize for making it seem like I don't hold the same disdain for the Democratic Party. I focused on the Republicans since they are currently controlling the government. Sounds like you're the one with the bias if you actually believe that "extremist liberals" and the media are the ones to blame. I highly recommend reading "Perfectly Legal" and "Free Lunch" by David Cay Johnston, maybe then you'll get a clue!

    • Posted By: aallagan @ 07/13/2008 4:14:34 PM

      could you support that with the fact that he hates his own mother and grandparents---Knowing that he black father left him when he was just 2, one could reach the other conclusion instead

  • Posted By: Stop the hate @ 07/13/2008 8:36:41 PM

    even if he is a Muslim, SOOOO WHAT ignorant people, at least he is not a member of the KKK.

    • Posted By: raddave @ 07/14/2008 9:33:02 PM

      I don't think Obama meets the qualifications to be in the KKK

  • Posted By: elouis @ 07/13/2008 8:40:52 PM

    A religious state might scares some Catholics, Protestants and Eastern Orthodox believers but the idea is not New Testament thought. It will not scare a true Christians, who a follower of the teaching of Jesus Christ, as those teachings have been defined and re-defined by scholars for almost two thousand years. Jesus Christ was not about starting "religious states", what some of your writers might mean by the vague statement.

    Jesus said, "the kingdom of God is within you". He did not fight His crucifixion but rather surrendered to the will of God the Father and gave His life for the sins of humanity. The victory was won when He rose up on the third day!

    The only hope for the individual or the nation is the salvation that is offered through Christ. You don't have to believe, but it does not change what Jesus actually said. No where in the Bible will you find Jesus forcing anyone to believe anything that He said. But have you ever noticed how the Bible, by far, has become the best selling book in existence, without force? People, even Chinese people who have been denied free access to it in the past, find it of great interest, whenever they get their hands on a copy. I don???t really need to defend the Bible, because the Bible is of age and has done quite well in defending itself, by God???s grace!

    Having said all of this, I hope that whoever is the next generation of leaders in America fully understands this proverbial wisdom. ???Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!??? I???ll let your readers decide who they think the Lord really is!

    • Posted By: raddave @ 07/14/2008 9:29:41 PM

      So are you saying that the Catholic Church (founded by Jesus Chirst) is not a true Christian religion?

    • Posted By: Curata et Industria @ 07/13/2008 8:47:56 PM

      Absolutly Correct . David BArton of Wall Builders has revisited the founding Fathers debates and the congressional record. They wanted a Christian Nation, but no one denomination like England. They wanted morality supported by Religion. They wanted the true heart of the law to Reflect the Teachings of Jesus. For example: Jesus said if you are even angry at another person you are in danger of judgment. He went further than the Ten Commandments. He wanted you to obey in your heart.

      Since the Liberals don't want their actions or feelings controled in their hearts they are allowing our Nation to legislate morality- we call it political correctness. Thats why we have all this crazy stuff happening. From Columbine to Fires, SAT failure (for the first time in history our children Gen X and Y know less than their parents) and collapse of the leadership of the Nation.

      God has already judged the USA, because Nations die and cannot be judged in the life to come. They are judged now.....

  • Posted By: paulte @ 07/14/2008 11:37:52 AM

    What does Obama really believe? I'd say not much beyond himself! His alleged Christianity is window dressing. I don't believe any pro-choice person is a Christian.

    He's just an opportunist looking for an opportunity and he found it. The "Guess who's coming to dinner", affrimative action, black candidate for President. Hopefully, enough of the American electorate will see through his lack of substance to deny him his opportunity to be our President!

    McCain is far from perfect but at least he is real! Go, McCain go! NOBAMA, NOWAY!

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 07/14/2008 12:38:27 PM

      While his Christianity may be insincere, your statement about pro-choice is not accurate. Many people separate their personal beliefs from what role the government should play in their lives.

      • Posted By: paulte @ 07/14/2008 1:40:31 PM

        Pro-choice means you believe that the most vulnerable of human beings deserve no protection for their lives from the state. That's the bottom line for the pro-choice view. Christianity is based upon Judaism which is based upon the Mosaic law which includes the Ten Commandments. One of these Commandments says "Thou shalt not kill." This Commandment means that all innocent human life is sacrosanct and must be protected by the state. The first obligation, the main reason for the state's existence is to protect the right to life.

        Christians can't be satisfied to simply live good lives themselves; they must also be concerned with others and their welfare. People who are not concerned with protecting the most vulnerable of human beings are not living up to the Christian faith. Those who publicly proclaim that they have no intention of doing so by taking a pro-choice stand have no right at all to call themselves Christian.

        • Posted By: raddave @ 07/14/2008 6:48:59 PM

          Thou shalt not kill, how can Christians be for the death penalty then?

          • Posted By: CollinsDomain @ 07/14/2008 7:12:17 PM

            The correct translation is ???Thou shalt not murder.???

            • Posted By: raddave @ 07/14/2008 9:19:55 PM

              I am Catholic. the Catholic Bible uses the translation "Thou shalt not Kill"

        • Posted By: News and Notes @ 07/14/2008 1:47:59 PM

          You must think Bush is the best president ever, since he is an advocate for the unborn but nobody else.

    • Posted By: raddave @ 07/14/2008 12:03:17 PM

      How can you say that no pro choice person is not a Christian? All one has to do is accept Jesus as their savior to become a Christian.

  • Posted By: dpschmitz@gmail.com @ 07/13/2008 6:13:51 PM

    These judgmental comments from other Christians make me sick to my stomach... What did Paul say when asked how one must be saved? He said, quite simply, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..." Barack doesn't need to have the exact same theology as the rest of you to be a Christian. He only needs to believe in Jesus as the Christ. Most of the other details are just up for theological debate.

    • Posted By: Boulder Sue @ 07/13/2008 6:48:15 PM

      Right on DP!

      • Posted By: impatriotic @ 07/13/2008 7:05:14 PM

        It would seem that you really don't know much about what else is in the Bible...even satan believes that Christ is the saving Lord. Anyone can confess that, but it's by how they live their life, that you really know if they're sincere DP. Jesus said himself.." by their fruit (actions) you shall know them" when His disciples inquired about true believers.

        • Posted By: Perusing-through @ 07/13/2008 8:27:29 PM

          .
          CORRECTION!! CORRECTION!! CORRECTION!!

          No "impatriotic", , , you are mistaken! Read Luke 23: 39-43.

          The criminal that died on the cross next to Christ was one of the earliest Christians. Once the ex-con (now Christian) gave his life to Christ and believed, he was a Christian at that instant. That ex-con did not have time to un-nail himself from his cross, get down and then live the life that you claim is required to be a Christian. Again, please take no offense, but you are wrong. Read the scriptures again.

          Technically speaking a person can convert the last minute of his/her life and never have borne fruit or perform Christian works as you mistakenly claimed. It happens all the time on battlefields throughout the ages. Yes baring fruits, discipleship, and good works are Christian obligations, but not absolute necessities to be a Christian. Just believe and accept Christ as your GOD and you are a Christian!

          GOD BLESS AMERICA!
          GOD BLESS OBAMA!

          • Posted By: impatriotic @ 07/13/2008 11:02:03 PM

            Yes, I'm well aware of the saving of the theif on the cross, but I was not referring to those who give their lives to Christ at the last minute like you assumed. Most people do not make that decision in their last minutes of life. You make it sound as if as long as a person says they believe in Christ, they can lead any kind of life they want. This is NOT what the Word teaches. In fact, the people who made Jesus angry in His ministry were the Pharisees or hypocrites that acted like they followed God, but their hearts and motives were not sincere. Giving your life to Christ is only the beginning of the Christian walk, not the end.

            • Posted By: Perusing-through @ 07/14/2008 9:14:02 PM

              .
              "impatriotic" quote:
              You make it sound as if as long as a person says they believe in Christ, they can lead any kind of life they want. This is NOT what the Word teaches. In fact, the people who made Jesus angry in His ministry were the Pharisees or hypocrites that acted like they followed God . . . .

              * * * * *

              "impatriotic", you got it wrong again. I will copy/paste my previous quote that you apparently missed. It's a clear statement showing I am in agreement with you that good works do play a role in Christianity.

              QUOTE: "YES BARING FRUITS, DISCIPLESHIP, AND GOOD WORKS ARE CHRISTIAN OBLIGATIONS, . .".

              As you see from my repeated quote, I understand that just believing is not the final stop to FULL CHRISTIAN EXPERIENCE. Ideally, Christianity includes FRUITS, DISCIPLESHIP, and GOOD WORKS. My only point (if you reread my earlier comments) was that WORKS is not an ABSOLUTE necessity to be a Christian as you insinuated with "dpschmitz" and "Boulder Sue".

  • Posted By: armymom8 @ 07/14/2008 1:44:37 PM

    Any evangelical Christian knows Obama's version of what happens after death is full of holes and campaign rhetoric. The man is a sudo-christian and black churches should be questioning his faith--instead of regarding him as another messiah.

    • Posted By: befair @ 07/14/2008 1:52:01 PM

      No one regards him as a messiah and as I understand it, God sits on the judgement throne of life, not you. It seems to me that the evangelical christians who are so vocal in their judgement of Obama have missed the mote that is in their own eye. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone. You all seem to be throwing a lot of stones and forgetting the teachings of God.

      • Posted By: armymom8 @ 07/14/2008 1:58:58 PM

        No one should be able to claim they embrace Jesus Christ and then misrepresent His message. Obama had the audacity to claim that there are many roads to Heaven and many who follow other faiths will get there by their own methods. This is blasphemy and true Christians have a moral duty to call him on it. We didn't set the standards for salvation--Jesus did; and when we stand up for it we are accused of judging. Yes, I am judging him on the basis of what I have read and heard and he is no Christian.

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 07/14/2008 2:18:52 PM

          You're one of those Christians who go around targeting cartoons aren't you? Yeah I bet you were right there with the other Church Nazis and Christian Reich members protesting the Tele Tubbies and Sponge Bob Squar Pants.

          Neither you nor others like you have the right to question anyone's religious belief. By the way unless you are Catholic, per the Pope you are going to hell anyway. SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

          • Posted By: Hope for America @ 07/14/2008 2:52:52 PM

            It may interest you to know that the Catholic Church has quite a few issues with their interpretation of the Bible, hence why there were reforms and are now many denominations.

            It is a large, human debate, of which all us humans can say is that we should listen to God's Word in the Bible, and that Word says that Jesus is the way to heaven, not by works alone.

            Thus sitting here and damning us all to hell with your statement is rather rude, uneducated, and innapropriate. I'd appreciate it if you were more considerate.

            • Posted By: raddave @ 07/14/2008 8:52:50 PM

              The Catholic Church is the one true Christian Church founded by Jesus Chist himself. To break away from the Catholic Chuch and to create your own Church actually goes against Jesus Christ. This is what Pope Bededict said about Protestant Churches. "Christian Communities born out of the Reformation of the sixteenth century... do not enjoy apostolic succession in the sacrament of Orders, and are, therefore, deprived of a constitutive element of the Church. These ecclesial Communities which, specifically because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood, have not preserved the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic Mystery cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called "Churches" in the proper sense."

            • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 07/14/2008 4:58:05 PM

              How exactly was I damning you to hell. Pope Benedict states this last year, I believe. I personally do not care who or how you worship. That is my point, some Christians believe that the are Right and everyone else is lost. So what is the difference between your thinking and that of the Muslims? Please do not say that Christianity is not violent. Christianity's history is drowning in blood, torture etc.

          • Posted By: neocon @ 07/14/2008 3:27:43 PM

            Wrong, the phrase separation of church and state is generally traced to a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists, in which he referred to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as creating a "wall of separation" between church and state. The phrase was then quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947. This led to increased popular and political discussion of the concept.
            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

        • Posted By: befair @ 07/14/2008 4:15:16 PM

          You have no idea whether Sen. Obama is a christian or not. We are supposed to take you at your word when you proclaim your christian faith but we are supposed to question his simply because you have decided to commit the sin of passing judgement on him. God made everyone of us and that includes Sen. Obama. I doubt God is very pleased with the hateful messages that are being delivered in his name here today.

        • Posted By: raddave @ 07/14/2008 3:51:33 PM

          You are no Christian either.

        • Posted By: summer4077 @ 07/14/2008 2:04:08 PM

          No one can claim to know God's true message other than God and Jesus. Seems to me that no one has a direct link to either, so we all interpret. You, me, those who wrote the Bible--everyone. Jesus' message was love and acceptance. Let God be the final judge. Obama seems to live his life with honor, love, morality, and respect, which is refreshing out of a politician.

          • Posted By: armymom8 @ 07/14/2008 2:17:54 PM

            Come on, people, really read your Bible. Jesus said He is the only way to Heaven and no man comes to the Father but through Him! The Sermon on the Mount is not the only message in God's Word but it seems to be the one that everyone wants to cling to. There are more references to Hell in the Bible than to Heaven...why? Because it is a real place and many go there--the road is wide to Hell and narrow or Heaven. Christianity is a very exclusive religion. It's easy to call oneself "Christian" because of sporatic attendance in a Christian church or maybe some family members are Christian. Why did Jesus have to die on the cross if there are other avenues to God? A true believer knows what the Word says, and when false prophesy is spewed from the mouth of someone as prominent as Obama, many Christians are afraid of criticism from non-believers so they just let it slide. I am not "throwing stones" because I think Obama is commiting a sin...we are all born sinners in need of a savior. I am calling him on his comments regarding the afterlife because he claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ. If you claim to represent Jesus Christ, you better make darn sure you know what you are talking about because many people will be misled and that is no small matter to God...God the Father of Jesus Christ.

            • Posted By: Hope for America @ 07/14/2008 2:50:03 PM

              Amen, from a fellow Christian. =)

  • Posted By: Anniep @ 07/14/2008 12:48:03 PM

    I take great heart from hearing what Obama has to say about his feelings and beliefs. At last, here is someone prepared to be honest and to talk intelligently and thoughtfully about the human condition. His own honest soul searching and ultimate acceptance of the scope of human religious experience should give all Americans hope for the future. Here is someone who will listen before jumping to judgement, and will act from consciously arrived at ethics, rather than blind ideology. That must make the world a safer place.

    • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/14/2008 1:28:45 PM

      The biggest problem we have is that we allow the nah sayers to have us take GOD out! Out of our schools out of our courts out of our pledge we as Americans got so worried about offending others that we turned our backs on GOD and he allowed us to do this the bible says we shall reap what we sow if we continue to try to run this country without GOD that???s what we will have a country without GOD! Look around you 25 yrs ago if you went to the store around Christmas you would hear merry Christmas from everywhere now its happy holidays before we had the pledge in school and 1 minute of prayer now we don't and there is a school shooting about once a year! But now there are other faiths here in the united states and they demand time for prayer or they will sue (Muslim) and even though they don't believe in GOD atheist are a form of religion and the demand we don't have prayer in front of them because it offends them! We will reap all of this or we can fight for the right of our faith and demand that we have prayer in school and allow GOD in our lives homes and schools and court rooms because without him there is no hope for us we will just keep falling deeper and deeper till we reach the point where GOD is outlawed and we will be lost do a little research and see if you can figure out where this all started and you will find that about 20 yrs ago we started to push GOD aside for the sake of so few! In the early 70???s we did not have abortion clinics

      • Posted By: befair @ 07/14/2008 1:43:07 PM

        If christians would return to doing what God called them to do and stop trying to re-write the constitution, the whole country would benefit and God would be far more pleased with his people. Sen. Obama believes in Church and State being kept separate and he only does articles like this to set the record straight on those who are spreading lies about him, often times in the name of God. If you are a christian then you should stop hating so much and start reaching out to lost people with love and understanding. That would be far more effective than the hateful writings you post here.

        • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/14/2008 8:49:08 PM

          I AM IN THE FLESH AND I DO HAVE HATE IN ME ITS SOME THING I HAVE A HARD TIME DEALING WITH HOWEVER IN MY HATE I FIND THAT THE THINGS I HATE ARE NOT GOOD THINGS LIKE ABORTIONS AND RADICAL EXTREMIS THAT SAY IF YOU ARE A INFIDIL THE YOU SHOULD BE KILLED THINGS THAT JUST GO AGAINST MY CORE BELIEFS SO JUDGE ME IF YOU WANT I DON'T CARE I WILL ANSWER FOR MY SINS IN THE END !!!

    • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 07/14/2008 12:51:03 PM

      He is not being honest, he is pandering to the religious right. He says he does not believe in hell, but apparently mouths the Apostle's Creed when he does attend church. How honest is that?

      • Posted By: News and Notes @ 07/14/2008 1:33:08 PM

        Obama is a brilliant orator and politician. Actually, he is running a terrible post primary campaign. The wheels are coming right off the hope & change bus

        • Posted By: ESTRENO @ 07/14/2008 2:23:14 PM

          Come on now....whats wrong with a little hope? Its faith in other people that has changed the way the world runs its self. Im rather sure the candidate your backing , you hope will come through with his word.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/14/2008 12:49:24 PM

    hope he finds his faith because a lot of obama supporters are losing thiers ! p.s. next time mr. obama don't lose it so you won't have to go looking for it when you need it most !!

    • Posted By: befair @ 07/14/2008 1:28:19 PM

      You have every right not to vote for Sen. Obama but i would hope at some point you would actually read his articles and listen to his statements in their entirety with an open mind. You seem to say that he must not really be a person of faith. Surely you understand, even the most spiritual of persons can sometimes have doubts and questions about the complexities of religion.

      • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/14/2008 1:30:23 PM

        The biggest problem we have is that we allow the nah sayers to have us take GOD out! Out of our schools out of our courts out of our pledge we as Americans got so worried about offending others that we turned our backs on GOD and he allowed us to do this the bible says we shall reap what we sow if we continue to try to run this country without GOD that???s what we will have a country without GOD! Look around you 25 yrs ago if you went to the store around Christmas you would hear merry Christmas from everywhere now its happy holidays before we had the pledge in school and 1 minute of prayer now we don't and there is a school shooting about once a year! But now there are other faiths here in the united states and they demand time for prayer or they will sue (Muslim) and even though they don't believe in GOD atheist are a form of religion and the demand we don't have prayer in front of them because it offends them! We will reap all of this or we can fight for the right of our faith and demand that we have prayer in school and allow GOD in our lives homes and schools and court rooms because without him there is no hope for us we will just keep falling deeper and deeper till we reach the point where GOD is outlawed and we will be lost do a little research and see if you can figure out where this all started and you will find that about 20 yrs ago we started to push GOD aside for the sake of so few! In the early 70???s we did not have abortion clinics

        • Posted By: summer4077 @ 07/14/2008 2:10:49 PM

          Yeah there weren't abortion clinics b/c people went to doctors to have it done hush hush, or worse, back alleys.

          • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/14/2008 8:45:28 PM

            NO THEY DIDN'T WE HAD HOMES FOR UNWED MOTHERS FROM THE 1940'S TILL ABOUT 1970'S THEN RIGHT AFTER WOODSTOCK THE DOPERS STARTED THE LIBERAL PARTY AND THINGS TURN TO CRAP !!

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 07/14/2008 2:40:58 PM

          Why do the bible thumpers continuously use the bible to support their arguments. This is a book, a censored book written by people who believed that lightening was God or The Gods showing their anger. By the way which Bible are you refering to because there is a distinct difference between the God in the Old Testament and the God in the New Testament.

          Your beliefs are your own but you and the other people who believe as you do DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUSH YOUR BELIEFS ON ANYONE ELSE. Also by the way America is made of of many different peoples who have the right to worship whatever religion that they chose. Christianity (All Versions) is just currently the richest and the one with the biggest stick.

          • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/14/2008 8:41:53 PM

            P.S. THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON CHRISTAN BELIFS IT THE LIBERALS THAT LET THEM GO SO EASY YET ALLOW EVERY OTHER ONE TO GET STRONGER RIGHTS FOR THIERS !!

          • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/14/2008 8:38:55 PM

            NOPE SAME GOD IN BOTH OLD AND NEW JUST A DIFFERNT COVENANT OLD THE LAW OF MOSES FROM GOD NEW THE COVENANT OF JESUS READ ONE IT WILL HELP YOU YES EVEN YOU !!

          • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 07/14/2008 7:09:32 PM

            No, although there are many different denominations, Christians do hold some common beliefs. One, there is a hell. Obama does not believe there is a hell. Two, you can't earn you way into heaven, the only way is through Jesus. Whether you believe this or not is not the question. it is what Christians profess to believe when they claim Jesus as their savior. Three, a Christian is tasked not only with glorifying God through good works, but also with proclaiming the word, which is salvation through Christ.

            Obama denies there is a hell, does not believe that he has an obligation to spread the word, and asserts there are other ways into heaven. He is not a Christian.


            It appears that Obama likes some things about Christianity such as tolerance for sinners, and the importance of doing good works, and loving one another. These are good things.

            But it offends Christians who do believe in these tenets when he panders to them, claiming to be Christian when he clearly is not, and appears to only be asserting his Christianity and talking about his faith because he hopes to gain the support of the religious right. For crying out loud, these are the same people he criticized for "clinging to" their religion. He just doesn't get it, and all the promotional copy from Newsweek isn't going to change that.

    • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 07/14/2008 7:00:57 PM

      Do you think maybe he should cling to his religion a little more willnotvote?

      • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/14/2008 8:36:57 PM

        YEP CLING AWAY !!

  • Posted By: mj it @ 07/14/2008 7:19:24 PM

    Hi Grej - you seem to be an expert on Christianity. No one seems to be able to answer my question. So I'll try you:

    On what Christian path was McCain taking when he abandoned his disabled wife and 3 kids for a younger, richer beer heiress whom he also abandoned to learn to walk on her own - after she had a stroke?

    For the life of me - I have not been able to get an answer to this?

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/14/2008 8:35:44 PM

      mj it

      You are mixing the ailments of his first wife (Carol) with his current wife (Cindy). It does make for a juicier story though, LOL. But the fact is that Cindy McCain (married to John now for 28 years) is the one who had the stroke . Carol is the ex-wife who got into a bad auto accident that after healing left her with a limp on one of her legs.

    • Posted By: mcleodmn @ 07/14/2008 7:42:24 PM

      It's because of the 11th commandment. Thou shalt not question the absurdity of religion or those who look to integrate religion into politics.

  • Posted By: mj it @ 07/14/2008 5:25:33 PM

    Hi willnotvoteobama -- and who will answer to all the innocent Iraqis we killed because Halliburton, KBR, BLACKWATER and Big Oil -- found an opportunity to make money and plunder their resources.

    Who will answer to the American troops who died, put their lives on the line and came home disabled and without benefits. McCain voted against more benefits for our troops.

    Let alone answer for all the money we taxpayers have lost so we could fill the coffers of all those corporations getting very, very rich off the Iraq war.

    Who will pay for that?

    • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/14/2008 8:30:29 PM

      YOU THINK YOUR PAYING NOW JUST WAIT TILL (IF HE DOES ) OBAMA GETS IN THEN IF YOUR NOT TAXED TO DEATH THEN WE WILL BE FIGHTING 4 WARS BECAUSE ALL THE ENEMIES OUT THERE VEIW HIM AS WEAK SO BE READY OOPS THATS RIGHT YOUR A LIBERAL IN THAT CASE US REAL MEN WILL BE READY !!

    • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/14/2008 8:27:45 PM

      90% OF THE IRAQIS KILLED WERE DONE IN BY THE RADICAL MUSLIM EXTREMIST OVER THERE !

  • Posted By: John1one @ 07/14/2008 2:38:16 PM

    In this discussion, it has been mentioned several times about the "separation of church and state". This ideology is in inaccurate and is not supported by the US Constitution.
    In 1982, both Houses of Congress passed a joint resolution, Public Law 97-280 that states in part;
    "Resoplved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, that the President is authorized and requested to designate 1983 as a national "Year of the Bible" in recognition of both the FORMATIVE INFLUENCE the Bible has been for our Nation, and our NATIONAL NEED TO STUDY AND APPLY THE TEACHINGS OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURES."
    This resolution was approved Oct. 4, 1982
    Now, just as watching football every season, does not make me a football player, neither does watching "the game" make anyone a Christian. The biggest controversies come from judging Christianity by those who call themselves "christian", than the other way around. Do not be fooled! By their fruits you shall know them. If everyone in the US who claimed to believe in Jesus actually lived a christian lifestyle, Obama and McCain (along with a whole host of others) would have never made it as far as they have. President indeed! George Washington would be turning over in his grave!

    • Posted By: befair @ 07/14/2008 3:25:51 PM

      Establishing 1983 as National year of the Bible, has no conection to keeping church and state separate. Our Founding Fathers understood the passion behind faith and patriotism and their quest to create a nation where the citizens would have the Liberty to live their lives the way the saw fit, could only be accomplished if the citizens were free to practice religion or not practice religion. Most politicians kept their faith to themselves if they were believers and some of them actually were athiest or agnostic.

      • Posted By: John1one @ 07/14/2008 4:56:25 PM

        I realize that establishing a Year of the Bible is no different than setting the same day to recognize Washington's and Lincoln's bithdays. It is the "need to study and APPLY the teachings of the Holy Scriptures" phrase that entwines the 'church mind ' and the 'state mind' in the same body. Because the Bible is, as President Jackson described it, "the rock on whic our Republic rests.", and, according to Public Law 97-280, "Whereas Biblical teachings inspired concepts of civil government that are contained in our Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States;".
        With these assurances by both Houses of Congress, I find it obvious that Biblical teachings and our Republic form of government are anyhting but inseperable.
        However, because we have abandoned these assurances in these documents, and have substituted "democray" and revisonist history in an effort to evict God from the very Nation that He established, we now suffer the consequenses. Obama, McCain; pick your poison.

        • Posted By: raddave @ 07/14/2008 8:18:18 PM

          God did not establish America. Where do you nuts come up with this shite?

  • Posted By: Stano @ 07/14/2008 2:38:54 PM

    Obama is a arrogant, condesending and a socialist, what else do you want to know. He will destroy America and if you think you pay high taxes, cost of goods and services you ain't seen nothing yet if you morons elect this "Curious George" look alike.

    • Posted By: raddave @ 07/14/2008 8:12:53 PM

      Do you even know what a socialist is?

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/14/2008 7:58:01 PM

    RESPONSE TO: Morgan2008

    OMG, Morgan. There are a slew of organizations pushing for just that, that you can visit to sign your name to get Hillary on the ballot for the DNC. ThLet me get you started here:

    PRO-HILLARY website launched. Anyone who would like to sign the pledge (reiterated below and on the site), here is the link to the site: http://www.together4us.com/

    REMEMBER THIS MEDIA BLITZ AGAINST HILLARY NON STOP? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

    THE BYLAWS COMMITTE VOTE UNFAIRLY IN THE EYES OF MANY!
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    ALL the more to sign the pledge (repeated below) on this webiste www.together4us.com

    THE PLEDGE OF TOGETHERNESS: SPREAD THE WORD!

    We stand together with her 18 million voters in pursuit of all of the following:

    Bring us together by honoring Hillary Clinton and her supporters at the Democratic National Convention in Denver by:

    Placing her name into nomination (following traditional protocol)

    Ensuring a roll-call vote

    Inviting her to speak, during prime-time, on August 26th, the 88th anniversary of Women's Suffrage

    Bring us together by adoption of policies on the Platform Committee that Hillary Clinton has championed.

    Bring us together through reform of the primary and caucus system to reflect the basic principle of one person - one vote.

    Bring us together through outspoken denunciation of all gender bias, racism and other forms of discrimination.

    Bring us together by making a concerted effort to retire her campaign debt.

    We are being asked to embrace Party Unity without the fair representation of Hillary Clinton and her 18 million voters. Party Unity requires bilateral action. We ask Barack Obama and the DNC to respond.


    HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTERS will never forget the mean-spirited and sexist-based dialogue the MainStreamMedia news reporters and political pundits spewed 24/7 about Hillary from the time she entered into the Presidential race right up through the very last primary. No future female Presidential candidate should ever be treated in this despicable manner again. This video provides a barrage of clips on what she put up with in the media:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM



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