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  • Posted By: bswan4 @ 07/13/2008 2:44:00 PM

    When a man tells you he is not sure of which ANYTHING in his life is right, how can he be a leader.

  • Posted By: bswan4 @ 07/13/2008 2:42:50 PM

    When a man tells you he is not sure of which ANYTHING in his life is right, how can he be a leader.

  • Posted By: ppcgm @ 07/13/2008 2:29:20 PM

    Typing in all caps is considering to be shouting. Besides being rude it is visually disturbing to look at. So most people are probably not reading your posts. But most of the people who write on these posts are talkers and not listeners. So, who do we think is reading our rants anyway ?

    • Posted By: Choirboy's Karma @ 07/13/2008 2:40:59 PM

      I'm reading yours and I wonder why.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 07/13/2008 2:38:24 PM

    John Mccain: Whore Monger

    A Constant Philanderer: Left his Wife for his now Rich Wife.

    Integrity: War Heroe ?? You must save Lives, During a War, in order to be Branded or Awarded Heroes Status, McCain does not fit that Mold at all.

    Fact: McCain gave up classified information. John Mccain Graduated Last in his Class at the Naval Academy. John McCain Crashed (6 Planes) John Mccain is an Poor Calculating Political Oppourtunist.

    George W. Bush Never Served in Battle, he dodged via Affluence of his father and Served in the National Gaurd, Draft Dodger as well as D!ck Cheney.. Busah nor Cheney have no Combat or Heroic Records and you Lame Brains Voted thier A## 's as President & Vice President.... TWICE !!!!


    Bill Clinton held no Military Record at all and you Voted his A## President ...TWICE !!

    Thats with all of Clinton's Philandering History, which was Well Documented Before, During & After his Presidency.

    Goerge W. Bush Sr. had the CIA Experience, the 2 Terms as President under (Mr.666 Himself) Ron-ald Wil-son Rea-gan and his A## only lasted 1 term as President of the USA.

    Bush Sr. left the Oval Office with Very low Public ratings, with his Experience, Military & CIA & VP Presidential "Experience"

    His Son Buh Jr. had only 1 term as Governor (State-Regiona Experience)

    Note: Bill Clinton & Jimmy Carter had only Stae -Regional Experience as well, Not National or International "Experience"

    Sorry

    So much for "Experience"

  • Posted By: vm3688 @ 07/13/2008 1:46:28 PM

    obama is a WOLF in SHEEPS clothing!!!!!!!!

    Beware..... he would Destroy the USA with Great pleasure from the inside out.!!!

    I know God already knows what the outcome is going to be in Nov. I also believe he just wants to see what
    we the people will do with this election.

    I also know that Good will overcome Evil and God will protect us !!

    This is a TEST people... keep your eyes open!!!

    I love Jesus.... !!!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: Hurricanes01 @ 07/13/2008 2:36:53 PM

      A wolf in sheep???s clothing! Do you not think that's a lot judgmental? I believe in Jesus just as you do, but be very careful how you sum up one's character. Jesus loves us all. The question I have is how much does our president love us (me)? Our much does congress believes in Jesus? How and why does congress allow for example oil companies to turn billions and billions of profits at the expense of hardworking Americans who cannot even afford gas to go to work? Then our president has the impudence to say that we are not in a recession. In fact why would he advocate solving this ???price gouging??? by oil companies when he and his family are benefitting. I tell you the truth let us not talk about a wolf in sheep???s clothing. My President our President once said that there were weapons of mass destruction located in Iraq. Where are they? He (President Bush) also said that our primary goal was to bring to justice Bin Laden and his cronies. Where is Bin Laden? Listen my friend; we all have been lied to for centuries by our governing officials. I assure you of one thing the time will come for all to give an account. So if Obama is a liar, I tell you the truth he will have his reward; but what if he's not.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 07/13/2008 1:49:12 PM

      A mohammed in the White House??? GOD Forbid...And HE has...

      NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: Nor-Cal for Obama @ 07/13/2008 1:55:24 PM

        You people really should at the very clear textbook example of hatred and foolishness you all display.

        It's sick & frightening to think that some of you represent America. The land of equal.
        You represent jaded and lost hate.

  • Posted By: franklin122275 @ 07/13/2008 2:13:23 PM

    White people raise their children to be judges of evil thoughts(who's black or white) just as god instructed them and all people not to do! God is the only judge, who created all people! When you die and face him, you'll be like the rich man who begged god to give him a second chance to go back and tell his children the truth and not to come there(HELL)! Your going to die by yourself and not with the buddy system or your family!

    • Posted By: O Man @ 07/13/2008 2:34:19 PM

      Sounds to me like you're judging white people.
      Try to remember; Jesus says do not judge others, because He will judge you by exactly the same standard you used on them.
      In other words, you will be found guilty of the same crime of which you have accused others.

  • Posted By: SalvatoreC50 @ 07/13/2008 2:26:41 PM

    Christlike, and true to His message of love, and the search thereof.

    • Posted By: mypov123 @ 07/13/2008 2:32:13 PM

      Because he believes that he should not impose his own personal beliefs upon the lives of others, or that his own beliefs should dictate how other people can live their lives, faith or no faith is a personal choice.

  • Posted By: thefurnacedude @ 07/13/2008 2:10:19 PM

    This article is a bunch of fluff. The only thing that matters about Obama's religion is his current beliefs. Until just recently her practiced his religion among a bunch of lunatics. The only reason that he left was because it was politically damaging to him. If he did not agree with Reverand Wright, why did he stay in the church for 20 years. To summarize your story for you because you cannot say it, " Obama practices at the most extreme, bigotted unChristian church he could find. " These people practice Black Liberation Theology and are a bunch of lunatics.

    • Posted By: franklin122275 @ 07/13/2008 2:28:17 PM

      Thats no different in how your parents raised you, to judge who's black or white! When god said he is the only judge and do not judge anyone! You can't dictate what people do or say!

    • Posted By: lee226 @ 07/13/2008 2:18:12 PM

      If you read this article you would see that he was not even participating that much after he had children.
      If he is like me I go to church seldom but I do help with certain functions,charites and other volunteer work when needed.

  • Posted By: YESHUAZ GIRL @ 07/13/2008 2:22:44 PM

    YOU "MUST BE BORN AGAIN.......
    THERE ARE MANY CHRISTIANS(SO THEY SAY) BUT YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN.
    JOHN 3 IN SCRIPTURE.....WORDS OF JESUS HIMSELF

  • Posted By: mypov123 @ 07/13/2008 2:20:36 PM

    You people who believe that Sen. Obama is Satan personified are giving credibility to the GOP strategy of using fear-mongering to win elections. They believe that the American people are stupid enough to fall for these smear attacks, and judging from some of the comments I read on this site and some others, who could argue against them.





  • Posted By: vgroves @ 07/13/2008 2:17:16 PM

    Great article!! I hope evryone reads it and comes away with a better understanding that people are different in all phases of our lives, but we are common to the earth and need to live together. Obama is a gifted man at the right time to lead if elected or not. He will make contributions to this country, and the world, as a human being that must be taken seriously, listened to, and learn from to make the world a better place.
    Maybe it's time to forget the politics and use some common sense. V. Groves, Tex

    • Posted By: Nor-Cal for Obama @ 07/13/2008 2:19:56 PM

      Vgroves, YES! THANK YOU! This is what i took from it, but the far right wing evangelicals are getting really bitchy, look at some of there rants!! Talk about angry confused people, no?

  • Posted By: thefurnacedude @ 07/13/2008 2:14:55 PM

    Let me summarize what this article should say. For the last 20 year Barrack Obama, worshipped in the most bigotted and unchristian church that he could find. They are a bunch of lunatics that practice Black Liberation Theology. He only left the church when it became politically damaging to him. His beliefs are far from mainstream. How come our "unbiased" medis never asks him about Black Liberation Theology, since it is such a big part of Rev. Wright and Trinity Baptist Church.

    • Posted By: Nor-Cal for Obama @ 07/13/2008 2:18:40 PM

      See, this article does not say any of this, nor does any published article on the planet.
      Why? Well, because journalists tend to be educated and book read. This means that they can't print fiction in place of political reality. And, in the case of your silly little rant, Religious theology. But I might be using big words for you now. I'll stop. Have fun in the sandbox! Don't eat the bugs!

  • Posted By: rss1021 @ 07/13/2008 1:15:43 PM

    SEPARATION OF CHURCH &SATE OUR FOUNDING FATHERS STATED THAT IN OUR CONSTITUTION. KEEP RELIGION OUT OF THE GOVERNMENT

    • Posted By: skywalker77 @ 07/13/2008 1:19:45 PM

      You are misinformed. The ACLU has twisted the meaning of our fore fathers orginal intent and guys like you have swallowed the bait "hook-line-and-sinker."

      • Posted By: raddave @ 07/13/2008 2:16:10 PM

        You need to read the constitution. Article six says "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States" The First Ammendment states Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." These are the basis for the spearation of Church and State.

  • Posted By: thoughtfuldesigner @ 07/13/2008 1:34:58 PM

    I don't usually contribute to these discussions, but the level of intolerance, hatred and vitriol express here by so called Christian is extremely disturbing! I am impressed by Obama's intellectual & emothional search for faith and saw hope that his exposure to many religions would help our country as we have to come to terms with co-existing in an ever increasing intertwined world. I'm afraid that most of these people can't handle the concept of a truly thoughtful, deep individual leading this country and not one mouthing the tenets of the Christian Right while lining the pockets of his big oil buddies and ravaging the beauties of the Earth God gave us!!

    • Posted By: summer1216 @ 07/13/2008 2:15:46 PM

      Stewardship of the earth should be one of the top concerns of every Christian, and a Christian who does not have that as a top action item is suspect as a Christian at all.

    • Posted By: O Man @ 07/13/2008 1:51:14 PM

      Hi td,
      Here's another good one; Which of Christ's teachings could good old religious GW and his fellow neoconmen apply to this atrocious war in Iraq ?;O)
      Regards, theoman

  • Posted By: O Man @ 07/13/2008 2:15:46 PM

    What I'm beginning to see as Barack Obama's most electable feature
    is that he is not John McCain.

  • Posted By: ruha @ 07/13/2008 2:14:00 PM

    Mr.obama is intelligent that means he has to think ,question, and be able to dismantle any thing which he was told or taught and build his own thought process based on scientific findings.no organised religion specially islam or pauline christianinty or prophatic judaism can allow that ,because each thinks they are it ,the final revevlation ,unchangable unquestionable,unaaltered or unalterbla utterings of all mighty all knowing,me, and only me dicatatorial crueal and self serving ,EL,AL,ALLAH or YAHWEH,if you donot submitt to hiom or follow his commands as written in Bible or quran you will burn in hell for ever.There are made believe in after life,because it is better that this life and is for ever.the dont believe in the realities of the life,and are forbidden to believe pre-life.Mr Obama should know that change is the only constant every thing must change and change constantly,there is no permanency.Buddha says you c anno cross the same street or canal or river twice,because evry thing must change and have changed,there is no permanen hee ,or paradise or heaven..your is the personal responcibilty to do right things at a right time and be at a right place ,and be kind and nice to all life plant animal and humans ,no matter what there colour creed or country of origin,because we are all interdependent yet independent,no body is superior or inferior,in religions no debates discussions or discarding of their beliefs are allowed faith does not need evidence or proofs.mr obama has to know the contradictions in the teachings of all correct unquestionable religion ,or scientific thought process which demands objective proofs aroon.ruha@yahoo.com

  • Posted By: StoptheHate @ 07/13/2008 1:38:29 PM

    portateck if you don't provide specific examples of "the way Obama changes his stance whenever politically needed and his lack of core beliefs" then you appear to be just what you are....an imbecile. I suggest you READ Senator Obamas blueprint for change available on his website and THEN comment. The election of ANY Republican is truly the worst possible outcome of this election.

    • Posted By: portateck @ 07/13/2008 1:48:57 PM

      I have read his blueprint, and I have also studied his politics(and the politics of his associates in chicago) and his record in illinois.
      He was for gun control and now is for 2nd amendment.
      he was against the fisa bill, now voted for it.
      he voted for govt help for poor, now touts welfare reform
      attended a hate filled church and now is kind tolerant christian...etc.....
      get a grip

      • Posted By: summer1216 @ 07/13/2008 2:13:55 PM

        You get a grip LOL. The only true change in direction here is on the FISA bill, and he has written and published a thoughtful and exhaustive reason for his decision. I still oppose the immunity for telecommuncations companies, but I understand his arguments. I certainly don't see how his reasoning illustrates that he has no core beliefs.

      • Posted By: Nor-Cal for Obama @ 07/13/2008 2:10:28 PM

        See, when people see things in these types of fabricated black and whites, this is when misinformation and hate steps in in place of educated and well informed decision making. Each point you make is fabricated.
        - Define how he was "for gun control on a federal national scale" as you imply
        - Define how he was against a bill that he was for, when the bill was a different and ammended version of the 1st, which now holds the telecoms accountable and the federal government accountable?
        - Define what his "blueprint" is... LOL
        - Define how he is no longer for the poor, because he feels the welfare system needs revision? This was a real long shot, pal
        - Define how a church, known for its social outreach and neighboorhood improvment a place of hate, just because it had an animated preacher?

        - See, even IF Obama was perfect, you people STILL would be against him. We all know what the root of this comes from, you people just like to disguse it in 'issues'

        If it WERE really issues, then you people would not be voting for Mccain either.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 07/13/2008 1:43:57 PM

    The vetting of Hussein Obama has begun. This is only the tip of the iceberg. Wait until his acceptance speech. It will be reminiscent of a Hitler Nazi Party Rally. It will not be well received. It will be a RIOT. Literally. Re-Create '68 baby......

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: lee226 @ 07/13/2008 1:50:43 PM

      I have a free one way ticket to Russia just for you, when do you want to depart?

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 07/13/2008 1:52:47 PM

        Wait and see. Remember though. HolyRoller told you first.

        NOBAMA!!!

        • Posted By: summer1216 @ 07/13/2008 2:08:36 PM

          Maybe HolyRoller will shut up when this in fact does not happen.

          • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 07/13/2008 2:12:58 PM

            BUT, it WILL happen.

            NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: Nor-Cal for Obama @ 07/13/2008 1:48:48 PM

      'Vetting' LMAO Holy, did you even read this you fool?

      Your denial is as transparent as glass. You are a lost soul.

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 07/13/2008 1:51:41 PM

        read the comments. It has begun. His honeymoon with MSM, is coming to an end.

        NOBAMA!!!

        • Posted By: Nor-Cal for Obama @ 07/13/2008 1:57:54 PM

          Most of the comments i see here are responses to you and your foolishness. You don't belong in America. Your a racist , outdated LIAR. You spend countless hours here on these boards LYING, and claim yourself to be a Christian!

          Think about it

  • Posted By: mypov123 @ 07/13/2008 2:12:27 PM

    You people who act like Obama is Satan personified are giving credibility to the GOP strategy of using fear-mongering in order to win elections, you're playing right into their plans. Congratulations on being so ignorant and gullible.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 07/13/2008 1:23:36 PM


    The Declaration of Independence

    Many Christians who think of America as founded upon Christianity usually present the Declaration as "proof."

    The reason appears obvious: the document mentions God. However, the God in the Declaration does not describe (Christianity's God).

    It describes "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." This nature's view of God agrees with (Deist Philosophy) but any attempt to use the Declaration as a support for Christianity will fail for this reason alone.

    Article XI from the Treaty of Tripoli

    More significantly, the Declaration does not represent the law of the land as it came before the Constitution.

    The Declaration aimed at announcing their separation from Great Britain and listed the various grievances with the "thirteen united States of America." The grievances against Great Britain no longer hold, and we have more than thirteen states.

    Today, the Declaration represents an important historical document about rebellious intentions against Great Britain at a time before the formation of our independent government. Although the Declaration may have influential power, it may inspire the lofty thoughts of poets, and judges may mention it in their summations, it holds no legal power today. Our presidents, judges and policemen must take an oath to uphold the Constitution, but never to the Declaration of Independence.

    Of course the Declaration depicts a great political document, as it aimed at a future government upheld by citizens instead of a religious monarchy. It observed that all men "are created equal" meaning that we all come inborn with the abilities of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That "to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men."

    Big Note: The Declaration says nothing about our Rights secured by Christianity, nor does it imply anything about a (Christian Foundation).

    • Posted By: PrizmWolf @ 07/13/2008 2:12:14 PM

      Have you earned an MBA and a PhD in AMERICAN HISTORY under the topic of, OUR FOUNDING FOREFATHERS? A little high-school or a GED perhaps? History lesson #1) The Quakers...In whom did they have faith in? The Triune of God Himself; simply said...they were in fact ,the very Christians In the year of Our Lord 1776 AD, that made The Declaration of Independence a reality. They also brought the Christian calendar with them. Food for thought...... BC and now AD.... In God We Trust .

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