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  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 07/12/2008 10:39:22 PM

    Hey olderwiser...He may well believe he is the messiah. Check out his own words..............

    a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama" - Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire.
    January 7, 2008

    Joking around? I wonder.

    NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/12/2008 10:33:33 PM

    Nins, we've read that same thing for days now in the midst of every possible subject to which it is irrelevant. would you mind thinking of something else to say and zap that one? It makes it hard to scroll down in its hundreds of incarnations.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/12/2008 10:23:53 PM

    Actually, martyrs are made by others called persecutors, I think. This is why I have never understood the suicide bombers who say that they "martyr themselves" by committing suicide. Anyway, what difference does it make? Somewhere between ordinary life and deciding to blow oneself up in a crowd, the line was crossed from sanity to the other side, anyway, and what is said by the poor fool is irrelevant to anything meaningful.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/12/2008 10:20:40 PM

    A self made Jesus, glinki? I can see how he might have the hammer in the right hand and manage to drive a nail through the left, but what would he do to nail the right hand? Not sure I understand your point, but I'll keep trying.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/12/2008 10:07:37 PM

    Religious zealotry is the bane of humanity and an article like this is like a magnet for the nut cases to spit at each other over which religion is most worthy of outrageous zeal, and to condemn anyone to hell who dares to disagree or somehow follow a different spiritual guide. It is impossible to have a rational conversation with one of them. Their minds are so narrow that you couldn't slip a cigarette paper between their ears. They blab and scream the same mantra over and over again every five minutes as if such neurotic repetition will make all of the made up fallacies come true. Many years ago, they used to stand in city squares and on busy corners and shout such foolishness to no one in particular. Today, the blogs have become the city square and busy street corner as our crazies repeat the same thing over and over and over again as if somehow it might alter the course of the earth through the firmament. God, how I love it. It's America and we have the freedom to speak our minds, however narrow they might be alongside the occasional and rare gem of an idea crafted by an inquisitive mind. Give 'em hell, Holy Roller, give 'em hell.

  • Posted By: dsgents @ 07/12/2008 8:59:16 PM

    Is he Barak Obama or Nicoli Carpathia? The similarities are uncanny! Best we find out before it is too late.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/12/2008 10:02:49 PM

      I had no idea who this was so I googled it. http://nicolae_carpathia.totallyexplained.com/

  • Posted By: Alamerica @ 07/12/2008 9:20:03 PM

    Obama is a quasi-Muslim under Christian skin. Americans cannot elect a quasi-terminator who may be programmed to lie and licensed to kill. Otherwise, Christians will be fed to lions in no time.

  • Posted By: jms1858 @ 07/12/2008 9:18:47 PM

    Let' s not be fools!....It was the church that led him into finding his destiny/..which we as Americans can learn from..Some of you fail to remember that in the traditional African-American church, there would have been no Dr. ML King...no Dred Scott trial. (He met someone who was able to read and interpret the constitution where he traveled to a 'free state' but was challenged to return to a slave state-violating the'once free, always free law which ultimately led up to the Civil War) Because of his 'Faithful Journey,' it gave Sen. Obama the opportunity to find his destiny that God intended for him to be in...to ultimately become a local, state and federal community leader for all to experience and learn from-once we discover that the true meaning of faith is allowing one to find their destiny thru. God and thru. participating in both secular and spiritual communities. Let's not confuse the true meaning of the traditional African-American church of finding faith in God with those that exploit His faith to divide. If that's the case, there would be no end to slavery, jim crow etc...that spilled into the Black community to act upon change for a better way of life...Why criticize Barrack for doing the same thing?

  • Posted By: bereal @ 07/12/2008 8:46:25 PM

    Who cares. He can say whatever he wants and everyone licks his feet.

  • Posted By: Chaya @ 07/12/2008 8:22:08 PM

    Such short memory!Don't we have a president who was born again and embrace Christ and beleive that he is doing God's work?"He "felt God's spirit beckoning me," he writes in "Audacity." "I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth."Boy eerily similar to Bush's statement.Newsweek koolaid drunk.

  • Posted By: Cantabrigian @ 07/12/2008 7:49:27 PM

    Oh god, give me a break. How stupid is stupid . . . people have very, very SHORT memories.

    Remember Jeremiah Wright? He was Obama's pastor for some TWENTY YEARS.

    According to Pastor Jeremiah Wright, Obama will say what is ever necessary to win this campaign.

  • Posted By: reunionpi @ 07/12/2008 7:47:41 PM

    Obama's mother's original Social Security Number Application

    http://webofdeception.com/obamamother'sssapplication.html

  • Posted By: clairesolt @ 07/12/2008 7:42:27 PM

    It is astonishing to see the comments that this drew. Nasty and off point.

  • Posted By: DaProf @ 07/12/2008 6:08:02 PM

    For some, this question comes down to: "Is Barack secretly a Muslim?" That's a silly question, once you learn much about Islam.

    Barack is not secretly a Muslim, but he might be a closet agnostic, or he could be a Christian in name only, like many of us are.

    Another thing to consider is whether his early association with Islam could have some repercussions, either in terms of influence on his thinking and instincts, or in terms of how he's received and/or reviled by Muslims around the world. That affects not just him, but all Americans and really the entire world.

    The one consistent figure in Barack's life has been Ann Dunham, an agnostic or atheist who left Wichita, Kansas in favor of Hawaii. There she met Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a Kenyan who by then had left Islam to become an atheist, according to Barack. Ann and Barack, Sr. married when she was only 18. (The elder Barack Obama died in 1982 in Kenya, so now BHO Jr. can say pretty much whatever he wants to about BHO Sr.)

    His biological parents split up about 3 years after he was conceived. The dad went back to Kenya by way of Connecticut, and the mother came to meet Lolo Soetoro, of Indonesia, while they were students at the University of Hawaii. They married when Barack was 4 or 5.

    1. That Obama just happened to become a Christian, or so he claims, at the same time that he was studying political science, in a country that is predominantly Christian. It was a mighty convenient time to have a change of faith.

    2. That so few people, statistically, change their minds about religion after middle school, much less during college.

    3. That -- according to Barack -- his mother is an atheist who married not one but two men of nomimal Muslim backgrounds who both happened to be non-Americans, from Kenya and Indonesia, respectively.
    This seems unlikely, but perhaps it's best understood by learning more about his mother, a very special woman indeed.

    4. Then there is that all of these people are now deceased, and so we pretty much have Barack and his half-sister to go on. Many people knew his mother, certainly, and no one is speaking up to say otherwise, so I think the evidence is that Barack is telling the truth, but the coincidence raises an issue.

    5. Finally, the timing of his becoming a Christian was rather convenient in terms of its occurring after Barack, Sr. died. Perhaps Barack was a closet Christian for awhile, and waited for his dad to pass to come out of the closet?

    In any case, the young man has an interesting history, and someday he might be ready to be President of the United States, and wield all that power. That day isn't today, unfortunately. He has virtually no political record or significant accomplishments yet. Give him time. He'll be ready someday.

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 07/12/2008 6:25:17 PM

      Funny, I'd have preferred Bush Jr. never won the nomination against McCain eight years ago for similar reasons.

      Obama is much more mature, deeply thoughtful and leadership-oriented than our own Bush Jr., a former playboy-drunk turned Born-Again. Wow, that's really impressive.

      I presume you'd rather see McTaint (tained by Bush) running / ruining our country? One GOP disaster after another. Goody for you.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 07/12/2008 6:14:38 PM

    Know why McCain wants to distance himself from former Senator Phil Gramm? It 's not because of Gramm's obnoxious remarks calling Americans "a nation of whiners" who are in "a mental recession." Those remarks were so ascerbic that they may've been made just to give McCain an excuse to distance himself from Gramm. This issue is a lot deeper than it looks on the surface.

    When Gramm was a Senator he was Chairman of the Banking Committee. He pushed through the legislation known as the "Enron Loophole." This loophole allowed US investment banks to bypass Federal regulations governing futures trading, and is the reason why investment banks were able to falsely inflate the prices of oil, wheat, corn and other commodities through massive futures trading, causing your costs of gas, heating oil and food to go through the roof.

    Gramm also created the Gramm-Leach-Biley Act, which got rid of the laws that seperate banking, insurance and brokerage activities in America. The Gramm Act was touted as a new way to protect consumer privacy, but the real meat on the Act's bones was banking deregulation. Essentially, this Act did away with laws written after the Great Depression to protect us from another Wall Street/Banking Industry collapse. That's right, Gramm stripped the system of it's safe guards nine years ago, and guess what? The value of the dollar has nose-dived, four major economic institutions have failed, Wall Street is unstable, and we are in a worsening recession.

    Notably, the US investment banks that gained the most from the Enron Loophole and from the Gramm Act contributed more than a million dollars to Gramm's campaign.

    Currently Gramm is Vice Chairman of UBS, the Swiss Bank that came up with the idea of "death bonds." Worse, though, UBS is involved in a scam where they sold auction rate securities to American customers. Auction rate securities are supposed to be as safe as cash, but the way UBS did it, the fees garnished by their in-house investment bankers were intentionally higher than the return on the securities, ripping off their American customers. The Massachusetts Attorney General has already filed charges against UBS, and private brokers world-wide have dropped UBS stock. UBS is forecasted to lose 82.91% of it's value in 2008. We are talking about the corporate bank where Gramm is Vice Chairman. Looking at his track record there and at the havoc he has wrought on the US economy through the Senate Banking Committee, it's clear that either Gramm is a criminal or grossly incompetent.

    Now McCain wants nothing to do with Gramm, wants us to forget Gramm has been a key player on McCain's team. Gramm was McCain's campaign CO-CHAIR and LEADING ECONOMIC ADVISOR. Previously, McCain had said that he planned to appoint Gramm as SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY.

    With Gramm as McCain's leading economic advisor, now you know why economists and analysts say that McCain's economic policy plans are untenable.

  • Posted By: SukieTawdry @ 07/12/2008 5:55:35 PM

    Yep, josemarti, that's pretty much newsweak anymore. Blah blah blah Obama blah blah Obama blah blah blah Obama...

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