The Many Faces of Amanda

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  • Posted By: merlin01 @ 07/15/2008 10:44:42 PM

    Give me a break ,a grown man with a bad reputation raped and murdered the girl.The two young people had nothing to do with this murder and the law in Italy is a joke.Guede is a sexual predator and murderer and did it on his own.We as Americans should be outraged!!!

    • Posted By: Dee2008 @ 07/15/2008 10:55:22 PM

      Ok Sherlock Holms..what we Americans should also be outraged about is that the fact that daughters of the US are out screwing 7 strange guys a month. How about we make roast a pot of coffee for American parents and have them smell the scent of whats really going on and how daughters like Knox end up in prision in the first place? If she was a good girl who was taught to respect herself to start with and wasn't involved with all the nasty violent animal sex - like there was no tomorrow, then she wouldn't be where she is now.

      • Posted By: truth seeker. knowledge lover. @ 07/15/2008 11:16:47 PM

        I don't understand this whole "The US should be outraged stuff." How about all people regardless of nationality should be outraged that someone's life was ended intentionally and brutally. That is what angers me. It is also disturbing that you are more mad about someone having sex casually than than the girl was possibly homicidally violent. Have you ever considered that the problem with America is that we have out priorities screwe up.

        • Posted By: Dee2008 @ 07/15/2008 11:27:41 PM

          You want to jump on other brutal subjects, go ahead ..we can open a discussion some other days for those. But here's the thing. What happened to the British girl was horrible and tragic. Many in this discussion have said it, it was needless for me to repeat. It worries me that someday we will hear about such a story happening to someone in the future and we need to point out how to try to avoid having our children involved in problems like these. Of course the rest - the italian and Geude are involved and no one till now knows who killed the British girl- that we will leave up to the courts and hope that justice is brought - and that whoever is guilty will be punished for the murder they comitted, but if you track the root of how you get young people like Amanda Knox involved in disasters like these- you will go into a discussion and that is what we have been doing - nothing wrong with that. Others have already pointed out the obvious.

          • Posted By: truth seeker. knowledge lover. @ 07/15/2008 11:38:06 PM

            That's cool, I think you are right. But I doubt that having a lot of casually sex is the cause of this brutality. The violence and lustful activities could stem from the same problem. Being sexually restrained your whole live and being taught that natural, common, healthy feelings are evil could result in a little mental damage.

            • Posted By: Dee2008 @ 07/15/2008 11:50:27 PM

              See comments I get in reply are too extreme.... I am not saying make your children mental ill..everything in life is in balance or should be done in balance. Too much of a good thing is bad. There may be virgins out there that commit crimes, who knows- the issue is that Knox had bad habits and therefore got involved with the wrong crowd. If those habits/signs had been captured by her parents earlier on who should have cared enough- then she wouldn't have turned into a violent person- assuming IF she is the one who murdered the British girl.

              • Posted By: truth seeker. knowledge lover. @ 07/16/2008 12:00:10 AM

                I understand the whole lay down with dogs get up with fleas argument. And I think it has its own certain brand of validity. And is the girl was getting involved with sexually violent people and was putting herself in danger then that is where she went wrong. But if she was getting involved with seven mentally healthy caring partners in one month, then I think that would be okay.
                And teaching moderation is important. I agree with you on that. But the point I am trying to make is that being a trollop does not make you a murderer or a sexual deviant. Everyone has that time in there life when they crave experience and need to much so that they can learn when enough is enough. Moderation is useful because it keeps things in balance like you have said. But a lesson must be lived in order to be learned.

                • Posted By: Dee2008 @ 07/16/2008 12:15:16 AM

                  Although we agree on some points here, some lessons are just better to be avoided. You don't need to kill someone / have violent sex/ end up in prison to learn a great lesson in life. Some things are just better off to be avoided. She took it too far and mixed with the wrong people. From the obvious she had no balance in her life, just lost.

                  • Posted By: truth seeker. knowledge lover. @ 07/16/2008 12:39:04 AM

                    I didn't say you need to kill someone, have violent sex, or go to prison. I said that this girl went wrong in that way. But having too much healthy casual sex is a lack of moderation. And to find what moderation is we go overboard, realize we have done so, and more importantly why doing so is not okay. One of the reasons being that sex is spiritual, and opening up your self and letting another person become apart of you, can exhaust your sexuality and spirituality and make sex mundane, and pointless. So you back off and practice moderation now knowing why you do so. We are social creatures. We have our personalities because of our interaction with other people. ( not the time or place for a sociology lesson but look it up and read about the scientific studies and email me at im_just_mary84@yahoo.com and we'll have discussions because I know you'll disagree with me) We are meant to combine socially, mentally, emotionally, and physically. I am not a Christian but I do believe in God, though not in nearly the same way you think of him I'm sure. But we are the way we are not because it is evil, but because we are meant to be. I'm not talking about murder here, that is abnormal. I am just talking about normal sex and normal sexual impulse.

                    • Posted By: smartone @ 07/16/2008 4:56:30 PM

                      Good argument but one can argue that personalities are a combination of our genes and sociological influences. In essence, our genes and the way we are raised by one's family will override outside negative influences. I know right from wrong and I know that I would not subject myself to be manipulated into killing someone or to have sex with 7 different men in 3 months. Not everyone practice spirituality.

    • Posted By: foxyforever @ 07/15/2008 11:00:57 PM

      You do not deserve to be outraged. The rest of the world needs to be outraged at you Americans for being square (closed-minded).

    • Posted By: Horizon @ 07/15/2008 10:58:58 PM

      And if Guede was an American wasp, would you still think he is the murderer ?

      By the way, law in Italy may be a joke and so is in America... Or have you forgotten Patricia Hearst trial ?

  • Posted By: merlin01 @ 07/15/2008 10:43:37 PM

    Give me a break ,a grown man with a bad reputation raped and murdered the girl.The two young people had nothing to do with this murder and the law in Italy is a joke.Guede is a sexual predator and murderer and did it on his own.We as Americans should be outraged!!!

    • Posted By: smartone @ 07/16/2008 4:47:35 PM

      Slandering Guede makes you a better person, right?

  • Posted By: Talia09 @ 07/16/2008 4:44:39 PM

    For those of you who believe Amanda is a sweet and innocent girl....in her diary that she wrote in jail, she said she had slept with 7 different guys while in Italy, before she started a relationship with Sollecito, who by the way looks exactly like Harry Potter. Amanda just so happens to be in love with the Harry Potter stories and thinks she is Hermoine. On top of that, she has contracted the HIV virus. In her diary she tries to figure out which one of the seven she contracted the virus from.

  • Posted By: mmm...wiiine @ 07/16/2008 4:41:49 PM

    Isn't anyone worried that once again a woman is on trial for being a slut? Her sexual history is entered as evidence in ths 10K + dossier. helloooo!?! I mean this is MURDER, people! So what if she has self esteem issues, and as a result has lots of sex her first time away from home and family? So what if she has this sweet face but is pretty far from being innocent. Even if she is an a**, does that make her a murderer? More than half the people in this thread need more logic and less judgement.

  • Posted By: Talia09 @ 07/16/2008 3:37:01 PM

    Amanda intially confessed that she was not at home when the murder happened, then she changed her story and said she had to cover her ears from the screems from her roomate. The police confiscated her diary and they found no worry or remorse for her roomate's family. No word of sorrow if she hadn't committed the murder. One thing she did say was it sucked that she had to pay rent while still in jail while here roomate lie dead.. She claime it wasn't fair! What a ***.....

  • Posted By: Talia09 @ 07/16/2008 3:32:29 PM

    Sooo, you don't blame the one who committed the murder? Wow you are some sort of saint milena. I guarantee you all three of them had a hand in it. The "black guy" has a name, Guede. Try not to be a hypocrite.

  • Posted By: milena.gb @ 07/16/2008 12:58:02 PM

    Talia09-OK, THIS IS YOU! YOU BLAME PEOPLE ON WHAT YOU READ IN THE NEWSPAPERS!!! BUT I WILL NOT BLAME ANYONE IN PERUGIA CASE!!! NEITHER AMANDA, NEITHER HER ITALIAN BOYFRIEND, NEITHER THE BLACK GUY WHO IS SUSPECTED TOO!!! I JUST HOPE EVERYONE OF THEM WILL RECEIVE QUALITY DEFENCE!!!

  • Posted By: Talia09 @ 07/16/2008 11:42:18 AM

    UTdance08...understandable. Sorry to get all worked up over your comment. I just didn't want someones education to get in the way of the subject at hand. I apologize for my comment toward you.

  • Posted By: Lazorith @ 07/16/2008 2:49:44 AM

    anyone else get the vibe that the writer of this peice has an issue with girls whom are sexually active?

    It seems she was very angry over what amanda apparently said "we gonna have wild sex together." or could have been a lie.. But i think the writer either hasnt had a good sex anytime soon or is just jealous over something.

    The main of the story was sex this sex that.. and nothing bout the murder.



    Heres how i think it happened based on what i read: amanda and the other 3 came to the home.

    I really dont think the black guy has much to do. I think he responded to amandas scream or the dead girls scream.

    the guy in the middle had sex with her.. at some point he was able to get his knife and he cuts her.

    He takes her items of intrest and leaves the room. Amanda has apparently fallen asleep in front of the tv at this point. apparently he put the knife in her hand and then left.

    Amanda woke up after he left saw the knife and went upstairs to check on her..

    the rest is for you to figure out i guess.

    This is simply what i find.

    • Posted By: alen @ 07/16/2008 11:21:24 AM

      Right... the white guy's the evil one. How predictable...
      To bad the "black guy" admitted to having sex with her; and Amanda's DNA is on the murder weapon. Did you read the article?

    • Posted By: Skillz @ 07/16/2008 3:25:49 AM

      Lazorith, you would think of become a detective if you can work the evidence out!!!

  • Posted By: UTdance08 @ 07/16/2008 11:09:52 AM

    Talia09.....As, I just read your reply to my post yesterday... I feel compelled to make a response:
    i'm so sorry to offend you... I was just under the ignorant impression that if someone was going to condemn another human being to hell... they might at least take the time to form coherent sentences and spell that person's name right... after all, when the devil calls kristy to get her updated list of hells newest residents.... he might let in the wrong amanda!

  • Posted By: Talia09 @ 07/15/2008 5:08:18 PM

    UTDANCE08......shut up. Are you taking the time to edit everyone's comment? Get a life.

    • Posted By: UTdance08 @ 07/16/2008 11:05:25 AM

      oh i'm so sorry to offend you talia... I was just under the ignorant impression that if someone was going to condemn another human being to hell... they might at least take the time to form coherent sentences and spell that person's name right... after all, when the devil calls kristy to get her updated list of hells newest residents.... he might let in the wrong amanda!

    • Posted By: katefrida @ 07/15/2008 5:12:51 PM

      The atrocious spelling was bothering everyone. I think with the amount of comments to our pal Kristy, it's well within reason for UTDANCE08 to make some corrections.

  • Posted By: milena.gb @ 07/16/2008 4:55:30 AM

    I cannot understand why such a cruelty had spilled over Amanda?Why people point her and say "She is guilty!" withouth having an idea what really happend that night in Perugia? Who of all of these people has a right to point Amanda and say-"She is Foxy Noxy, or she is sex machine,*** or whatever shits"...and saying all these about Amanda Knox withouth really knowing her and without ever talking or ever working with her...I want to ask only one-WHAT IF AMANDA IS INNOCENT?Can you immagine innocent young person, closed in jail for something never done, harassed by the other prisoners, because harassment in the jails is a daily round, harassed by the press and harassed and judjed by unknown people in internet.WHO HAS RIGHT TO JUDJE ANAMDA KNOX?WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO JUDJE HER PAST, BEHAVIOR OR WHATEVER?
    NOONE HAS THAT RIGHT!

    • Posted By: alen @ 07/16/2008 11:04:43 AM

      A horrible crime has been committed. As a society, we not only have a right, but a duty to judge those that were present.

    • Posted By: alen @ 07/16/2008 11:03:50 AM

      A horrible crime has been committed. As a society, we all not only have a right, but a duty to judge those that were present.

  • Posted By: Talia09 @ 07/16/2008 9:56:20 AM

    Guilty! Guilty! Yes I am passing judgement, I've read countless nespaper articles from overseas and I have come to the conclusion she is guilty! If she is found not guilty it will be becasue her "Daddy" has lot of money and bought the best lawyers money can buy!

  • Posted By: Dawn - A new begining!! @ 07/16/2008 7:26:21 AM

    @ aure19 -- Sir/Madam, who ever you are, regardless I think you need middle finger shown to you. The funniest part of your entire "piece of mind" crap is that you forgot that the article is on a "WHITE WOMAN" who is active particiapnt of the crime. Looks like your more envious and loathing that Blacks have "money", "cadillacs" than the death of a human. Earth is not just screwed up cause of crimes of killing but also cause of "Racist" chauvnist like you. If you continue to pass on your comments like this It wouldn't be surprising that soon some one will be kicking you big fat a** . Give Respect and Take Respect. I don't tink any white has anything different than any other humans around.

    Thanks
    A white! (Both at heart and Skin)

    • Posted By: milena.gb @ 07/16/2008 8:06:15 AM

      I AM NOT DIVIDING PEOPLE TO BLACK AND WHITE, YOU ARE DIVIDING THEM!!! WHERE DID YOU FIND IN MY WORDS ANY HINT ABOUT RACISM? WILL YOU CALL ME RACIST IF I TELL YOU THAT MY COLOR SKIN IS BLACK? I GIVE RESPECT AND I TAKE RESPECT TO ANYONE, NO MATTER TO ME WHAT KIND OF COLOR HE/SHE HAS!!! I AM TALKING ABOUT AMANDA, BECAUSE EVERYWHERE IN THE CHATS AMANDA IS THE MOST SLANDERED AND THE MOST DISGRACED PERSON IN THAT CASE! IF THE POLICE IN ITALY HAD ANY PROOF AGAINST HER THEY WOULD ORGANIZE A TRIAL IMMEDIATELY. BUT THEY DONT! BY LAW THEY HAVE RIGHT TO KEEP AMANDA IN JAIL FOR 1 YEAR, AND AT THE END OF THAT YEAR IF THEY DONT FIND ANY PROOF AGAINST HER THEY HAVE TO LET HER COME BACK HOME!
      THATS WHY I AM SAYING - AMANDA IS INNOCENT UNTILL PROVEN GUILTY!!!

  • Posted By: mescarfullett @ 07/15/2008 5:53:17 PM

    1. Just because the Black guy had sex with her doesn't mean he killed her. That's probably why he hid in germany, because he knew that the sex, and his race would have made him a suspect. (And, I'm also wondering how many of us have forgotten about all of the racial tensions in Italy. As much as we try to deny it it's true racism exist. Even in Europe. Even, if not especially, in Italy. Italians can't stand hispanics much less africans. It reminds them too much of their "unwhiteness.")
    2. Maybe the roommate did it, maybe she didn't. It seems that in a case like this you just can't tell.
    3.The most suspicious part of this story was the boyfriend's DNA (blood was it? Maybe, semen?) being found on the victim's bra. That needs an explananation.
    4.I think we're all suffering from murdered middle class white girl syndrome again. Just like the aruba case, just like tons of other cases that the media dramatizes.
    5.Who's to say the girl didn't deserve it? We don't know. Maybe she was blackmailing her roommate's boyfriend for some reasons unknown to us (such as infidelity).
    6. (Ok, I know some of y'all are going to just hate this but...) look at the girl. She looks just like all the other young women out there that drink too much, party too much, and probably has done drugs.... is it realllllllllllllly such a surprise that someone like her was murdered? I think people are too sensitive to these cases because it reminds them of their own vulnerability. They see aspects of their lives (such as promiscuity) reflected in the victims life. And hey, it's like this, you don't want *** like this to happen to you then don't put yourself at risk. Don't be such a party animal. There are a helluva lotta other things out there in the life are so much more important, meaningful, and enjoyable than where you get your next drink or hit.

    • Posted By: Jim A @ 07/16/2008 5:24:20 AM

      You are on the money man. Here is a comment I made earlier
      Comment: It is amazing to me that as people discuss the case they become so defensive about sexuality issues.
      someone opens up about some of her own personal history and because she is honest or even has an opinion that is disagreed with she gets accused. How about discussing the merits of her argument instead of playing the old game of "i'm losing the argument, so I will bait and switch and accuse her of not caring about people getting murdered....give me a break--she gets attacked.
      Suddenly sexual history has nothing to do with it, it is a murder, so don't bring any facts about past sexual history into it. and is the persons logic talks down the person that says sexual history shouldn't be a part (ie where a person commented the vast difference between what the parents thought was going on in the life of their daughter and what actually seemed to be going on--the descrepency in terms of image and sexual involvement; of course it should be included) then the person does what so many do when they don't want to deal with reality--make accusations. so suddenly the woman that questions the integrety of women who sleep around (perhaps based on her own past sexual experiences) suddenly the accusation is made--and this is so disconnected to the logic of the argument--that she doesn't care about the murder only the fact that young people are involved in immorality, or that sexual history shouldn't matter. What the woman who made the initial comment about sexual history being relevant--also raised some other implications about the culture of America, the sexually permissive toxic atmosphere young people have to grow up in, the fantasy lives of young men and women posted on my.Space, etc. Find me young women that want sex for sex sake and do not want to be love cherished and valued for who they are apart from their sexuality. When they are very honest, not still clinging to "SEx in the city" philosophy that in the end leaves so many disillusioned, they will admit they are designed, yes I said the "d" word implying there is a creator (Ok attack force come and attack me now, change the subject, make accusations--or deal with what I just said, or what I am saying) young women will admit that they are designed and long for, safety, security, permanance and commitment; they will also admit that they are primarily relational and secondarily sexual; not non sexual, but just oriented in such a way that they are primarily relational. They will trade sex for love, will use the power of their sexuality to attempt to create a permanent relationship. Any thoughts, or do we ever begin to take responsibility as older ones (oh yeah), the abdication of the baby boomer generation damaged by their own haight ashbury experiences and philosophy, to even step up to the plate and want better for the young generation than what has been revealed by this sad sad occurance. Ready aim fire. Jim A

  • Posted By: italianprincess22 @ 07/15/2008 4:42:45 PM

    But she is not that pretty, so horny men send you letters, and you are flattered? That's a sad disillusioned life this little girl is leading.

    • Posted By: Jim A @ 07/16/2008 5:17:16 AM

      Comment: It is amazing to me that as people discuss the case they become so defensive about sexuality issues.
      someone opens up about some of her own personal history and because she is honest or even has an opinion that is disagreed with she gets accused. How about discussing the merits of her argument instead of playing the old game of "i'm losing the argument, so I will bait and switch and accuse her of not caring about people getting murdered....give me a break--she gets attacked.
      Suddenly sexual history has nothing to do with it, it is a murder, so don't bring any facts about past sexual history into it. and is the persons logic talks down the person that says sexual history shouldn't be a part (ie where a person commented the vast difference between what the parents thought was going on in the life of their daughter and what actually seemed to be going on--the descrepency in terms of image and sexual involvement; of course it should be included) then the person does what so many do when they don't want to deal with reality--make accusations. so suddenly the woman that questions the integrety of women who sleep around (perhaps based on her own past sexual experiences) suddenly the accusation is made--and this is so disconnected to the logic of the argument--that she doesn't care about the murder only the fact that young people are involved in immorality, or that sexual history shouldn't matter. What the woman who made the initial comment about sexual history being relevant--also raised some other implications about the culture of America, the sexually permissive toxic atmosphere young people have to grow up in, the fantasy lives of young men and women posted on my.Space, etc. Find me young women that want sex for sex sake and do not want to be love cherished and valued for who they are apart from their sexuality. When they are very honest, not still clinging to "SEx in the city" philosophy that in the end leaves so many disillusioned, they will admit they are designed, yes I said the "d" word implying there is a creator (Ok attack force come and attack me now, change the subject, make accusations--or deal with what I just said, or what I am saying) young women will admit that they are designed and long for, safety, security, permanance and commitment; they will also admit that they are primarily relational and secondarily sexual; not non sexual, but just oriented in such a way that they are primarily relational. They will trade sex for love, will use the power of their sexuality to attempt to create a permanent relationship. Any thoughts, or do we ever begin to take responsibility as older ones (oh yeah), the abdication of the baby boomer generation damaged by their own haight ashbury experiences and philosophy, to even step up to the plate and want better for the young generation than what has been revealed by this sad sad occurance. Ready aim fire. Jim A

  • Posted By: milena.gb @ 07/16/2008 4:58:58 AM

    I cannot understand why such a cruelty had spilled over Amanda?Why people point her and say "She is guilty!" withouth having an idea what really happend that night in Perugia? Who of all of these people has a right to point Amanda and say-"She is Foxy Noxy, or she is sex machine,*** or whatever shits"...and saying all these about Amanda Knox withouth really knowing her and without ever talking or ever working with her...I want to ask only one-WHAT IF AMANDA IS INNOCENT?Can you immagine innocent young person, closed in jail for something never done, harassed by the other prisoners, because harassment in the jails is a daily round, harassed by the press and harassed and judjed by unknown people in internet.WHO HAS RIGHT TO JUDJE ANAMDA KNOX?WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO JUDJE HER PAST, BEHAVIOR OR WHATEVER?
    NOONE HAS THAT RIGHT!

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