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Forty years ago, an oil spill near Santa Barbara, Calif., spawned environmental activism. Not surprisingly, residents are none too happy with President Bush's offshore drilling plan.

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  • Posted By: Cashew @ 08/28/2008 6:12:45 AM

    Listen to this message. The Big oil companies want to drill off shore because it will make it much easier to ship the crude overseas in large tankers. The oil companies would have to move it across land, which would cost so much more, if they drilled inland. Bush, Chaney, and McCain are bought and paid for by these oil companies. Ofcourse they want to help big oil business and are boosting this propaganda and expecting us to swollow it hook, line, and sinker. McCain is a followier, not a leader.

  • Posted By: mccainsupporter @ 08/08/2008 9:20:22 PM

    The best way to effectively exploit our offshore resources and really help the average American is to divide up the 4.4 million square miles of US offshore economic zone among the 218 million Americans adults who are 18 years and older according to the 2003 US census. Because a square mile equals 640 acres and you multiply 4.4 million square miles times 640 acres, there would be 2.816 billion offshore acres to be divided among the 218 million American adults. The current federally leased acreage of roughly 100 million acres both onshore and offshore represents roughly only three and a half percent of the total 2.8 billion offshore exclusive economic zone acreage of land that could be leased and divided up by all Americans. Subtract out that acreage and you still have 2.7 billion unleased acreage. Granted this remaining acreage may not be the best prospects but we won???t know for sure until there is actual drilling. The Democrats say that there is 80 million acres leased and the oil companies are sitting on it. Well here are 2.7 billion new acres that new and older drilling companies can bid on.
    Under this proposal, every adult in the US would be entitled to 12.8 acres of mineral rights to offshore production. A lottery could be set up to randomly assign 12.8 acres to every American. You may end up with mineral rights to acreage south of Canada???s Hibernia offshore project 300 miles south of Newfoundland that is producing 50,000 barrels a day from only one well. The resulting lottery would create ten of thousands of instant American millionaires whose acreage abuts known contiguous offshore oil fields. A market to buy and sell acreage rights could be created which would put money into the pockets of those who acreage contains unknown oil potential. Turning over the acreage to ordinary Americans to collect leasing revenues and royalty rights will empower Americans and stimulate the economy. We do not need the Minerals Management Service of the Department of Interior and Nancy Pelosi to argue over the next four years which tracts of land should be leased and have that money end up going into the General Treasury. Its your money and you can get it now when you sell the rights to drill for oil and collect your royalties for the next twenty years.

  • Posted By: mccainsupporter @ 08/08/2008 9:18:30 PM

    Democrats under the leadership of Barack Obama want to effectively give away in trust our offshore exclusive economic zone by standing in the way of any current offshore development. Under the 1982 United Nations Law of the Seas Convention the US has an exclusive economic zone of 200 nautical miles and mineral seabed rights up to 350 nautical miles extending along the Continental shelf. A nautical mile is 6080 feet so our exclusive economic zone extends about 240 miles and mineral seabed rights extend 420 miles. The US has the world's largest offshore exclusive economic zone totaling 4.4 million square miles. In comparison, the total land area of the United States is only 3.4 million square miles.
    On the East coast alone, if you drive from Key West Florida to Bangor Maine it is 2000 miles. Multiply the 2000 miles by mineral seabed rights extending out 420 miles results in a total of 840,000 square miles of ocean acreage. Because we have the world's largest offshore coastline which is twenty-five percent greater than our land area, it only makes common sense that we exploit our offshore resources to achieve our energy independence.

  • Posted By: axisone @ 07/18/2008 10:28:14 AM

    IFIRST IT WAS A SINGLE HULLED TANKER SPILL NOT A DRILLING PLATFORM.
    SECOND THE G-PS NAVIGATION OH TAM=NKERS IS PRESENT EVERYWHERE TODAY IT E=WAS NOT EVEN A DREAM IN 1969/
    THIRD 1969 IS THE YEAR I MARRIED 39 YEARS A GO. GET OVER IT. SPSOMERVILLEMD

    • Posted By: cekiert @ 07/27/2008 10:19:30 PM

      oh nice GPS is considered fool proof now(consider its a known world war tactic to destroy the usa gps system, as we have so many gps guide weapons) what happens to all the ships floating in the ocean on autopilot or a direct strike of lightning in a storm to the ship if a double or even triple hull ship hits land itll act like foil being shot at. it isnt a plastic model that can balance on your finger, its a over 1 billion pounds of matter

  • Posted By: vlhamilton @ 07/18/2008 1:18:22 PM

    Even the big oil tycoon T. Boone Pickens says that we cannot drill our way out of this energy crisis. Too bad that so many clueless Right-Wing Americans keep trying to drill in the beautiful, non-replacable wildlife refuges on our planet. As a 44 year Santa Barbara resident, I helped try to save some of the wildlife drenched with oil in 1969, but it was a pretty fruitless effort overall. My daugther, who was only 6 years old at the time, still remembers that event vividly and with much sadness. The pristine beaches in this area are Santa Barbara's main tourist attraction on which most of our city's economy is based. I hope to God that John McCain is defeated in November. He is Bush all over again. He has received over $1.6 million in campaign contributions from the oil industry and has at least 33 former oil lobbyists advising him. America cannot afford another "Oil President" in the White House!

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 07/18/2008 3:25:23 PM

      do you drive a moped??? or a tricycle????

      NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: cekiert @ 07/27/2008 10:06:04 PM

        no, but I get 60mpg on my motorcycle, not 9mpg in a truck or suv the size of a motorhome

      • Posted By: dtbham @ 07/19/2008 2:28:17 PM

        Do drive a terror mobile?

  • Posted By: cekiert @ 07/27/2008 10:00:15 PM

    I think it would be funny to add to your statement, millions of Americans are overweight just a thought jimbo3800 get off the computer and walk a little!

  • Posted By: cekiert @ 07/27/2008 9:49:03 PM

    Amish? on a computer... figure that one out! Besides the fact that some people think oil is the only fuel in the world, and beside the fact that 4$ a gallon is nothing like 5$ a liter(Europe(2006)). The ocean contains 90% of the worlds Animal species, and offers 80% of the worlds oxygen(with large resources of algae offshore in CA) in addition to those facts consider the average oil tanker built increasing in size compared to 1969 STD stdstandardstandard

  • Posted By: cekiert @ 07/27/2008 9:48:37 PM

    Amish? on a computer... figure that one out! Besides the fact that some people think oil is the only fuel in the world, and beside the fact that 4$ a gallon is nothing like 5$ a liter(Europe(2006)). The ocean contains 90% of the worlds Animal species, and offers 80% of the worlds oxygen(with large resources of algae offshore in CA) in addition to those facts consider the average oil tanker built increasing in size compared to 1969 STD stdstandardstandard

  • Posted By: dtbham @ 07/19/2008 2:17:46 PM

    The solution to help an addict is not to keep feeding it. Offshore drilling is a horrible idea before you even consider the environmental impacts. I also agree that people need to start driving a lot less, I also think we need to stop depending on foreign oil. However drilling offshore is just putting a band aid on a deep wound, so even if all the scientific data on the impacts are not in, then why risk it. The money we spend on developing new drill sites could easily be spent in developing new technologies while maintaining a balanced ecosystem in the ocean.

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/19/2008 8:50:22 PM

      Just brilliant. So how exactly do you expect the millions of Americans to get to work, school, doctor's appointments, etc. on Monday morning? Next week? Next month? Will you be burning any fuel in this timeframe, or are you Amish?

      Your niavete and wishful thinking on this subject are just breathtaking.

  • Posted By: pezled @ 07/19/2008 8:19:38 AM

    Maybe I would be willing to listen to the folks in Santa Barbara if they were willing to STOP DRIVING CARS and USING GAS!!!!!! But as long as those high minded california types keep gussling the gas, they shouldn't be whining over where it comes from. Sheesh.

  • Posted By: dlangley25 @ 07/18/2008 3:38:09 PM

    The people of Santa Barbara need to make decisions based on data. In 1969, cell phones, the Internet and most oil drilling technologies of today didn't exist. Annual Oil Seepage equals the total spill amount of 1969. Hurricane Katrina had no effect on the oil platforms in the gulf. Getting the oil out of the ground (Drilling) actually reduces our pollution. This was recognized in a university science study in 1999.

    http://www.ia.ucsb.edu/pa/display.aspx?pkey=412

    It's easy for politicians to say "I am against more drilling" to stay in office but drilling reduces pollution and reduces our dependency on foreign wackos who want to kill us and destroy Israel. We also need to reduce the billions of dollars that we send them. And, what about signaling the market that we are drilling to protect our national interests and this signaling along will reduce oil prices and reduce what we pay at the pump.

  • Posted By: dlangley25 @ 07/18/2008 3:38:09 PM

    The people of Santa Barbara need to make decisions based on data. In 1969, cell phones, the Internet and most oil drilling technologies of today didn't exist. Annual Oil Seepage equals the total spill amount of 1969. Hurricane Katrina had no effect on the oil platforms in the gulf. Getting the oil out of the ground (Drilling) actually reduces our pollution. This was recognized in a university science study in 1999.

    http://www.ia.ucsb.edu/pa/display.aspx?pkey=412

    It's easy for politicians to say "I am against more drilling" to stay in office but drilling reduces pollution and reduces our dependency on foreign wackos who want to kill us and destroy Israel. We also need to reduce the billions of dollars that we send them. And, what about signaling the market that we are drilling to protect our national interests and this signaling along will reduce oil prices and reduce what we pay at the pump.

  • Posted By: dlangley25 @ 07/18/2008 3:37:20 PM

    The people of Santa Barbara need to make decisions based on data. In 1969, cell phones, the Internet and most oil drilling technologies of today didn't exist. Annual Oil Seepage equals the total spill amount of 1969. Hurricane Katrina had no effect on the oil platforms in the gulf. Getting the oil out of the ground (Drilling) actually reduces our pollution. This was recognized in a university science study in 1999.

    http://www.ia.ucsb.edu/pa/display.aspx?pkey=412

    It's easy for politicians to say "I am against more drilling" to stay in office but drilling reduces pollution and reduces our dependency on foreign wackos who want to kill us and destroy Israel. We also need to reduce the billions of dollars that we send them. And, what about signaling the market that we are drilling to protect our national interests and this signaling along will reduce oil prices and reduce what we pay at the pump.

  • Posted By: mgb1unc @ 07/17/2008 1:31:10 AM

    These idiots in California have a better chance of being wiped out by an earthquake than suffering from an oil spill. So, some old-timers get their panties in a knot because of an oil spill forty years ago, get some therapy. Our dependency on foreign oil has reached a crisis point and is a matter of national security and future prosperity. Something needs to be done and done now. I'm so tired of everyone talking about what to do... just do it and get on with it.

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 07/17/2008 10:50:58 AM

      The oil in new reserves wouldn't be usable for at least 10 years, and probably much longer. So "do it now and get on with it" isn't going to help things now. In 10 years we could have a huge increase in hybrid cars...why not go that route?

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/17/2008 8:38:54 PM

        This is the same old song and dance from the liberals. In 1995, they got their panties in a bunch (I like that line some much I just have to use it) over ANWR, and at the time whined that it would take 10 years to develop it. Guess what, libs; it's now 13 years later and if we hadn't listened to your nonsense then, we wouldn't be in this predicament.

        Plus, the 10 year horizon is nonsense; I've heard oil industry experts say they can get it pumping in 2 - 3 years if need be.

        • Posted By: metzlerd @ 07/18/2008 11:00:38 AM

          Same old song and dance? Where have you been? The song we've been playing and the dance we've been doing is DRILL FOR MORE OIL. We've been doing that for over 30 years. You'd think by now, you'd be ready to give a different song and dance a shot.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 07/17/2008 3:16:06 AM

      Ok, I'm outside in your yard sinking a well and building a big ugly oil derrick right now. Go ahead look out your window. See it? Now we're going to take all the oil produced and pipeline it to California. How does it feel?

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/17/2008 8:39:29 PM

        Not a problem at all.

        Drill Here
        Drill Now
        Pay Less

    • Posted By: metzlerd @ 07/17/2008 5:42:04 PM

      Heh heh... 30 years ago somebody like you said the exact same thing. And the wonderous solution was... wait for it... Drill for more oil! How do you like the progress?

      Yeah I don't think those people in California think much of it either. Of course that's why they're working on alternative energy solutions, and opposing more oil drilling.

  • Posted By: austin c @ 07/18/2008 9:39:50 AM

    Being in one of the most expansive area to live, the home owner in Santa Barbara can probably afford even higher gasoline price. What is needed is better safty measure for offshore oil drilling. The same should apply to nuclear power plant, which requires high level of safety control. Alternative energy developments such as solar and wind power which is under intensive development as well as hydrogen powered engine can hardly achieve significantly energy supply in terms of total power supply by coal and fossil fuel. This has been experienced by the Germans, who has been quite ahead of the game on alternative power. Let's not bet our limited financial and human resouces too heavily on alternative energy alone. To be realistic, we probably have to rely on conventional power supply for a long while by surviving better in terms of heallth and environment concerns.

  • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/17/2008 8:48:10 PM

    These land-of-fruits-and-nuts Californians are killing me. It's our tax dollars that bail their a$$'s out of every disaster they have (seems like one a month - the wildfires were just the latest), so it seems to me that the very least they can do is drill for oil off their precious coastline and supply the rest of us.

    • Posted By: metzlerd @ 07/18/2008 8:52:06 AM

      How do you think your going to get your hands on the oil? It will belong to a private company, and they will most likely sell to China; unless you're willing to pay the same price as China. It won't affect the price. There isn't enough oil there to affect the price.

      So ultimately the question is are you going to bail them out of the next oil spill? You didn't do a good job of bailing them out of the last one, so they probably won't trust your word on that.

      Also you might consider replacing your lawn with a food garden. I mean if you're going to go tick off Californians, they may not want to provide your fruits and vegetables anymore, so you might just consider taking up farming yourself, . ;-)

  • Posted By: ARTGEMGUY @ 07/16/2008 8:46:53 PM

    Nature will and always taken care of itself. The need for human use trumps the ecology anytime. We just need to travel less travel by air only if needed, give up travel to other countries for now, get rid of gas engine technology with electric and other new technology. Let's get solar and wind energy moving fast and get rid of the detroit mentality that placed stop-light-racing in vogue. detroit! we do not need 1000HP 200MPR cars that have little use. Our engineers and desidners can design better and will given the reght leadership and an incentive to do so. If detroit had better leadership it would still be a leader in auto design.

    • Posted By: metzlerd @ 07/18/2008 7:38:54 AM

      ARTGEMGUY,
      This statement is pretty naive.
      - "Nature will and always taken care of itself."

      Essentially you are saying, no matter what anyone does to the environment, nature will repair the damage.
      But, that only works if nature is the only one causing the damage.

      A case in point. I as a human can decide that I can build a bomb and blow up your house while you're at work. (Nature will not rebuild your house.)
      I as a Californian can divert water from Colorado into California. (Nature will not replace the water that disappeared from Arizona.)
      I as a human can accidently stear an oil tanker into shore causing a huge oil spill that coats the beach for miles. (Nature will not remove that oil. Nor will it bring back a species that becomes extinct because of it. Nor will it restore the livelihood of a fisherman who use to count on that nearby; river to make his living on the salmon run that got wiped out because of the spill. Nor will it restore the recreational industry in the area that got wiped out because the beaches are coated in oil sludge.)

      When we do things that don't naturally occur, nature may not be prepared to deal with it, and especially in those cases, people have to deal with it. If not the people that caused the damage, then certainly the ones who are impacted by it.

      One other little tidbit:
      Your very existance depends on the health of the environment. No matter how big your ego is, you can not escape that fact. You may think that everything begins and ends with the store, but in reality it all ultimately comes from nature.

  • Posted By: white trash @ 07/16/2008 7:45:08 PM

    I was a young woman when this ecological nightmare occurred. Since then, I've witnessed vast changes on Earth -- evidence of global warming, like more and hotter wildfires in California and more and more heat islands, i.e., dead planet, claiming more and more of the physical, living body of Earth, her ecosystems, especially Earth's un-renewable terrestrial ecosystems like ANWR and California's ecosystems being devoured by hotter, faster and more fires. Every aspect of life on Earth, including man's, depends on the stability of ecoystems' services, the veritable breath of life all life -- seals, birds and humans share oneheart and one heartbeat -- Earth's. Earth and mankind are ecosystem dependent for life.

    However, as horrific as this oil spill was, and if we must, I prefer we drill offshore because marine ecosystems are more vast and more stable. So many of our terrestrial ecosystems have become concreted and bricked heat islands or dead planet, as life-giving as the jumble of rocks on Mars.

    There are no free lunches on Earth. Every thing comes from somewhere with a cause and effect. The eco-illterates must remember, ecologically, every thing connects irrevocably to everything. What man does to the marine ecosystems and the biodiversity dependent upon it, which includes our species, also impacts terrestrial ecosystems and vice versa. So drill at sea -- if we must, but for every wild, native animal and plant that heads towards extinction -- pushes Earth closer to extinction. The artifacts of civilization are essentially dead -- unlike wild places and things. Mankind is as connected to ecological functions and services as seals and birds. Does Mars boast of oceans, seals, birds. Mars is a planet of rocks, as life supporting as freeways, shopping malls, housing tracts, European lawns, ornamental plants and domesticated animals. "IN WILDNESS IS THE SALVATION OF THE EARTH AND THE PRESERVATION OF ALL LIFE...LONG KNOWN AMONG SEALS, SEAS AND BIRDS BUT SELDOM PERCEIVED BY MAN." .

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/17/2008 8:44:17 PM

      "I'd like to teach the world to sing
      in perfect harmony
      with apple seeds and honey bees
      and snow white turtle doves"

      Here is a message for Miss Preachy-At-one-With-Mother-Earth:

      Drill Here
      Drill Now
      Pay Less

    • Posted By: loriw @ 07/17/2008 2:57:36 AM

      You have good points. What I don't hear in your post or the majority of posts here is a reduction in usage by everyone of us. If everyone conserved a small percentage immediately we could decrease our dependence by an equal percentage. Before we begin drilling holes everywhere in the planet let's consider conservation over usage when possible. There is so much we could all do to decrease consumpption.

  • Posted By: SBmyHome @ 07/16/2008 8:29:44 PM

    I've lived in Santa Barbara for 20 years. I can tell you for a fact that, while it is certainly politically incorrect to say so out loud here, many Santa Barbarans recognize the necessity for more offshore drilling, including off our own beloved coast. It is silly to think the days of oil are past...America will need it for decades to come even if we are wildly successful in developing new alternatives. The NIMBYism expressed by the Mayor is far from unanimous. While I like Mayor Blum personally, I am embarrassed by the elitist tone of her comments in the article...she basically says "we're too good to have drilling here so solve the energy crises some other way...and someplace far away from us...but we still want cheaper gas for our cars." Probably good for her re-election, but sure makes others hate our city.

    • Posted By: metzlerd @ 07/17/2008 5:52:45 PM

      You think people will hate your city less if we drill for more oil! Excellent! Now we have an actual benefit.
      Gas prices will still go through the roof, and what doesn't spill off your coast will be sold to China and other countries by the PRIVATE company that does the drilling, while Americans pay ever increasing gas prices.

      But hey... at least people won't hate your city; assuming it doesn't become another oil sludge!

  • Posted By: eaglwlker12 @ 07/16/2008 8:55:02 PM

    They don't want drilling, Let them walk

    • Posted By: loriw @ 07/17/2008 3:08:24 AM

      How about if they drill off their coast they get to keep the oil in their state. Who said they need to provide it to you? You'll be walking then, I'm guessing.

      • Posted By: metzlerd @ 07/17/2008 5:46:01 PM

        Uh... I don't think they'll get it either. Why would a big oil company give it to American's? Heck half the companies are foreign companies. They're going to sell to the Chinese.

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