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  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 07/17/2008 3:20:23 PM

    Heh. Their ''psyches''recovered enough[as evidenced by my recent trip there],to observe hundreds of gas-guzzling SUVs tooling along the main drags shops and eateries.,with licence-plate frames helpfully illistrating that these were purchased in the immediate area. Obviously,enviromentalisms greatest burden is a failure to shed the ''Do As I Say,Not As I Do'',label hung round their necks.

  • Posted By: loriw @ 07/17/2008 1:43:04 PM

    If you haven't gone to the Black Tides a Time Line above please do. I highly recommend it.

  • Posted By: majicmustang @ 07/16/2008 6:31:48 PM

    As usual, Environmentalists and democrats have no solution to a problem, just a doomsday attitude about every solution brought to the table. They have no valid argument other than something that occurred 40 years ago. Don't you realize the technology that is being used today? There are so many safeguards, not to mentin the federal regulatons on plants like this. In the meantime, continue to drive your gas cars, use electricity, styrofoam cups, paper, and other resources while you complain about everything. Alternative energy is decades away from being practical and affordable.

    • Posted By: wsfarnie @ 07/17/2008 1:21:56 PM

      Actually, the environmentalists in Santa Barbara DO have a great plan. The Community Environmental Council is a 38 year old non-profit focused on energy efficiency, renewable energy and sustainable transportation as they relate to peak oil and climate change issues. Our goal is to end the region???s dependency on fossil fuels in one generation! Read our Blueprint at wwwfossilfreeby33.org. Oh, and by the way, this plan will save every man, woman and child in Santa Barbara county $3000 per year in energy costs when fully implemented.

    • Posted By: joe2008 @ 07/16/2008 6:37:57 PM

      Actually, in addition to mispelling two words, you are completely wrong about alternative energy being practical or afforable.

      • Posted By: majicmustang @ 07/16/2008 6:40:28 PM

        can you tell me right now where I can buy a hydrogen car, and where I can refuel it?

        • Posted By: joe2008 @ 07/16/2008 6:45:54 PM

          I have no idea where you can buy a hydrogen car. I much prefer my SUV. However, if your idea of alternative energy is limited to hydrogen cars, you are truly limited in your outlook. I think you will find, when hydrogen cars become more of a reality that, they aren't going to be answer

      • Posted By: majicmustang @ 07/16/2008 6:44:26 PM

        You misspelled affordable, and you made my point, you said that I was wrong about alternative energy, but you did not back up your argument with any facts

  • Posted By: underdog @ 07/16/2008 4:28:09 PM

    The press is all over the last major oil spill in the US 40 YEARS AGO. The technology for drilling has vastly improved since that time. Drilling now involves alot of work and cost to prevent or reduce the chance of a spill. You won't see that covered by the media.

    • Posted By: smarka @ 07/16/2008 5:07:34 PM

      Um... the Exxon Valdez spill was about 15 years ago... and the people whose livelyhoods were ruined there have still never been compensated because Exxon makes billions in pure profit every quarter and can afford staff lawyers. Justice delayed is justice denied.

      ...and they're still using the same oil tankers today.

      • Posted By: summer4077 @ 07/17/2008 10:58:14 AM

        Yep. In fact, the fine was actually reduced for oil companies. They had 20+ years to save the money, which they didn't even need to b/c the proposed fine was only a small percentage of their annual profits. But they still got off the hook. Ridiculous.

      • Posted By: underdog @ 07/16/2008 6:38:52 PM

        The US demands double hull tankers to prevent the spills like the Exxon Valdez.

      • Posted By: Texan to da Bone @ 07/16/2008 5:51:02 PM

        UMMM the EXXON Valdez spill was an OIL TANKER RUNNING AGROUND. WAFI

        • Posted By: smarka @ 07/16/2008 6:04:35 PM

          You're the idiot. How do you think the oil gets from the rig to the shore?

  • Posted By: jdorsey @ 07/16/2008 4:50:35 PM

    Santa Barbara?

    What about people lilke me who live in the midwest with no access to a decent public transportation system? And not everyone can afford to pay 30 grand for a hybrid vehicle. This country depends on their vehicles not just for pleasure but for their livelyhood. Suburbs would not exist today if gas prices were always this high. We would not have the highway system we have today if gas prices were always this high. The automobile is as American as apple pie. I say drill where ever it takes. Rich people in California are not living in the real world.

    • Posted By: raddave @ 07/16/2008 8:20:36 PM

      hybrid vehicles start at about 20 grand, not 30

      • Posted By: summer4077 @ 07/17/2008 10:56:40 AM

        Exactly. Most SUVs are at least that amount, if not more. If you can afford a (newer) SUV, you can afford a Prius. Regardless, you don't have to buy a Prius to be more fuel efficient. Smaller SUVs, even, or sedans and small cars are all way more fuel efficient than the Suburbans, Excursions, Expeditions, dual-wheeled trucks, etc. I own a Saturn, and I get 35-40 mpg with nothing special done to it.

    • Posted By: smarka @ 07/16/2008 5:16:27 PM

      More drilling isn't the answer. Unfortunately a lot of people (like you) tend to cling to old paradigms until they're forced to make progress. In the same time it will take to get new oil wells to produce marketable gas, we could have newer electric cars that get charged up from solar, wind, wave, and geothermal power plants.

      Whatever happened to the American "can do" spirit? The "real world" is what we make of it.

      • Posted By: Texan to da Bone @ 07/16/2008 5:49:19 PM

        Smarka,
        The only way to get more oil is to drill now. There is not a single alternative fuel on the horizon that is as economical as oil. We got ourselves into this mess by not drilling, it will be worse if we don't start. "we can't drill our way out of this mess" is a SOUND BITE not sound policy!!!!

        • Posted By: smarka @ 07/16/2008 6:02:47 PM

          Brazil is completely energy independent because of their sugar-based ethanol. Windmills in the Banning Pass power the whole city of Palm Springs. The guy sitting next to me has solar panels on his house that make his electric meter run backwards most days, and new solar power effectiveness breakthroughs have been ocurring weekly for months.

          We need an energy "Apollo" project to move it all forward to a better future.

          • Posted By: underdog @ 07/16/2008 6:46:46 PM

            Brazil can run off sugar based ethanol because it doesn't have near the amount of cars or industry we have. India and China, whos GDP, is growing are now big importers of oil. If Brazils economy takes off like either of those 2 countries they would start importing more oil or do alot more drilling for domestic use. You cannot change an entire economy around in a few years to suddenly be green, Do you think the plant that made the solar panels is run off of solar panels. I'll bet they are tied into their local grid.

            • Posted By: raddave @ 07/16/2008 7:57:07 PM

              While Brazil is not as big as America, it is the 5th largest country in the world, population wise and has the 10th largest economy in the world, so it is not a small county either.

  • Posted By: Karenn1 @ 07/17/2008 10:44:54 AM

    This is earthquack country,we need the oil to lube mother earth joints.Go to florida and drill over their.Who cares what Bush wants or is what cheney wants.

  • Posted By: dunnhaupt @ 07/17/2008 8:01:17 AM

    A map of the coastal shelf shows that it is located close to the Pacific beaches but a hundred miles away from the Atlantic beaches. Shelf drilling on the Atlantic is obviously much safer. Indeed China (with Cuba's help) has already started drilling there.

  • Posted By: speckelbelly @ 07/16/2008 7:55:46 PM

    HEATED WORDS! OIL COMPANYS ARE IN IT FOR THE MONEY! NOTHING ELSE! REMEMBER THAT! WE ALL PAY! SO EITHER YOU BUY OIL OR GO SOLAR,WIND,BATTERY,OR HORSE!!!

    • Posted By: loriw @ 07/17/2008 3:01:49 AM

      It's called supply and demand. And guess what- I might not get up and go to work except for THE MONEY.
      How about you sink an oil well in your back yard and give the oil away for FREE. I'm absolutely certain you will have a lot of demand for your supply. Hope you like working in that smelly business for free.

  • Posted By: BlindWine.com @ 07/16/2008 11:39:19 PM

    Whatever. I have lived in SB for the last twenty years. We have the highest gas prices in the nation; while all you complain on gas hitting the 4 dollar mark.. we are at 5 dollars a gallon! Hell, i love NHRA, SUVs, and driving cars, but there is NO truth in putting more oil rigs off our shore to reduce the price anytime soon. India and China are pushing the prices sky high, even if we drive 100% Priuses! We need to force all the obese Americans to get out and ride a bike, one way or another. Santa Barbarans are 100% against more OIL rigs off our shores..

  • Posted By: Curata et Industria @ 07/16/2008 6:02:25 PM

    Dear Marty Blum, an oil covered sea lion has no meaning for me. I have to work for a living. Carter shut down wells with the windfall tax, Nancy P. won't remove the tax- the wells still remeined capped in Oklahoma et all.

    So I am pushing to drill off the coast- since you liberals wont ease the tax burden of the mid west.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 07/17/2008 2:42:02 AM

      Business and Industry? It's been many years since I took Latin .

    • Posted By: Mr. G @ 07/16/2008 6:27:45 PM

      Curata - Oil covered sea lions should have meaning for you. They are part of the food chain that you and I are a part of. Do you really believe the oil only affected a few sea lions? It affected EVERYTHING in the ocean. That includes the food you eat, even if it's not seafood. Many food compounds come from plankton and algae. You need to think bigger. If oil companies saw themselves as energy providers instead of oil providers, you (we) wouldn't be paying oil taxes because we would already have alternatives.

      • Posted By: loriw @ 07/17/2008 2:37:24 AM

        Some people can't see beyond their own windshield. I expect Curata is one of those.

  • Posted By: kperes @ 07/16/2008 5:25:17 PM

    Where to start. I too am a Democrat and an environmentalist. That being said, I live in Texas and know VERY WELL what it's like to live near oil and or gas wells. The mayor of Santa Barbara wants energy and HAS TO HAVE energy to live, but just doesn't want it in her backyard. Well I'm here to tell you, we need ALL the energy we can get in an environmentally appropriate way. If everyone took the exact same position she takes, then there would be NO energy production. What makes Santa Barbara any better than the Texas or Louisiana Gulf Coast or even West Texas? They're all beautiful, she just thinks hers should be protected at the expense of others landscapes she views as less worthy.

    She's also as you point out, got numerous offshore platforms operating in the Santa Barbara region. In the last 40 years, they've not spilled any significant amount. I'd say that's a pretty environmentally responsible operation. The fact is, we need every domestically produced hydrocarbon possible even if it takes us 20 years of development to "pop" the well. Then we need a President who is willing to spend billions on a national effort (think Manhattan Project) to solve and provide another transportation fuel that isn't based upon crude oil. There's an idea.

    Lastly, she's plugging in her Prius to an electrical outlet. Well the electricity produced comes most likely from a coal fired plant. She doesn't seem to have a problem with strip mining the Powder River Basin where much of the coal for the Western U.S. comes from because it's not in her backyard. She also doesn't mind plugging in and recharging her Prius knowing that coal fired electricity is by FAR the most polluting form of energy we have. If she argues for nuclear because it has little to no air pollution, then she ought to be in Sacramento lobbying on behalf of the nuclear power industry to put an new nuclear generating station in the Santa Barbara region. But she won't, not even to say it from the Mayor's office in Santa Barbara.

    Let's get real here, the only solution to the energy challenge is to produce as much oil/gas domestically and responsibly as we can WHILE finding better alternatives than coal fired and nuclear fired Prius'. She's being a hypocrite at best. And I can say this as I live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area (6 million people) and I and my neighbors in a very beautiful neighborhood have given permission to drill a gas well close by. It'll do our part to provide energy to our country AND we'll actually make a little money too. Texas and Alaska ought to cut off oil to California and let her buy it from Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Mexico and Russia (all our best buddies) and have her pay $10 a gallon and maybe she'll get a more balanced view.

    • Posted By: smarka @ 07/16/2008 5:47:12 PM

      If everyone in the country had taken Mayor Blum's position in 1969 we'd all be driving solar-powered cars right now.

      It's too bad there are so many visionless, "can't do" people around who've swallowed the oil industry propaganda hook, line and sinker, while they've continually raped us and our planet.

      • Posted By: BlindWine.com @ 07/16/2008 11:41:07 PM

        The truth is well, Santa Barbara is better to live than Texas. I have lived in both.

      • Posted By: raddave @ 07/16/2008 8:24:43 PM

        The prius is not an electric car, it is a hybrid car.

  • Posted By: ARTGEMGUY @ 07/16/2008 8:35:00 PM

    Nature will take care of itself, always has and always will. The need for oil to support human needs trumps the so called enviormental worry. The best we can do is to cutback on driving, slow down and vacation in our own state giving up foreign travel and flying only if necessary. Lets get the gasengin fall by the wayside and get engineering electric andother concept on line NOW!

  • Posted By: ScubaDawg61 @ 07/16/2008 8:23:59 PM

    Oil will be needed as a raw material for manufacturing many materials that we depend on for a long time, which is actually an argument for not using it as a source of energy where it is burned once and then gone forever. The sun is a star that burns constantly, not just "during the day". Simply because the sun has set at your house does not mean it's gone out. The energy from the sun can be captured and transmitted over lines all of the time. In addition, energy captured by solar cells at your house but not stored or consumed immediately (as in during the daytime when many people are at work and not at home) can be sold to the power utility. That income can be used to buy back power during the evening. Wind, ironically, is also solar based and therefore "on" all of the time. A funny comment may make you more popular with the guys at the water cooler, but is not part of a productive debate. In closing, your science is badly misinformed. Consider changing your sources.

  • Posted By: tennvol40 @ 07/16/2008 4:58:26 PM

    If the state of California doesn't want off shore drilling that's fine. States that oppose drilling should have to continue to import from overseas. That would increase the supply for the rest of us.

    • Posted By: raddave @ 07/16/2008 8:21:26 PM

      Oil is sold on an open market, it is not owned by the U.S. and allocated to states.

  • Posted By: jknight876 @ 07/16/2008 7:06:18 PM

    That spill was 40 years ago. Our technology is vastly improved . There are more that a 1000 oil wells in the gulf of mexico and there were no spills during Katrina or the following hurricane(Whose name escapes meat the moment) We need to Drill here and Drill now to save money and protect our national security and economy. We are the only nation on earth blocked from our natural recources by enviromental wackos. I have seen estimates that range from 200-500 Billion barrels of oil in the USA . Thats as much or more than Saudi Arabia. If we find a way to get to our oil shale we will be by far the largest energy producer in the world. I suggest we require OIl companies to hire enviromental experts to assist in the safe and clean extrtaction and use fees for the leases to fund electric car technology. Joe Knight

    • Posted By: raddave @ 07/16/2008 8:15:07 PM

      According to the U.S. coast guard, there were 44 oil spills following Hurrican Katrina. The U.S. has approx 21 billion known barrels of oil reserves. There is probably more as this is only what is known, but nowhere near 200-500 billion barrels.

  • Posted By: YankeeExpat @ 07/16/2008 8:05:22 PM

    For those (majicmustang) that have asked about Hydrogen cars, I suggest that you look to Germany (The Clean Energy Partnership [CEP]). They are trialing Hydrogen cars (produced by BMW, Daimler, Ford, GM/Opel and VW) for use by everyday people. They have also installed refueling stations(some being produced by Shell) throughout the country side. Public transportation buses are also being tested, 14 buses in Berlin and 9 buses in Hamburg. I hope this helps.

  • Posted By: YankeeExpat @ 07/16/2008 8:00:40 PM

    For those asking about Hydrogen cars, check out Germany (the Clean Energy Partnership [CEP]) as they are currently testing cars (produced by BMW, Ford, GM/Opel, Daimler, and VW) which are used by everyday people. The country has also installed refueling Hydrogen stations throughout the country side (Shell was involved in some of these). They are also using buses run off of Hydrogen for public transport in Berlin (14 buses) and Hamburg (9 buses).

  • Posted By: horacesheroes @ 07/16/2008 5:55:54 PM

    So the federal government gets to control the size of the land leased and who gets the leases? Does Haliburton drill wells? Is anybody else not real trusting of the Bush administration based on it's record over the last 8 years.........

    • Posted By: Calif.raised @ 07/16/2008 7:38:52 PM

      FYI, Haliburton doesn't drill new wells, they repair and replace existing ones.Enter Your Comment

  • Posted By: Calif.raised @ 07/16/2008 7:34:43 PM

    Oil is the future and will be in our future for at least another 200 years. I remember the liberals saying we only had another 20 years of oil left, funny Al Gore is still able to fly around the globe, go to events in his Lincoln Continential, then when he get close, they put him in a Prius for show. The environmentalists keep clinging to their mantra of stopping everything unless it affects them, then the Govt (read us people) have do do something right now. Oil is in the future, nuke is in the future, coal is in the future. Solar only works during the day, wind only works if it isn't by the Kennedy Compound.

  • Posted By: mesafitz @ 07/16/2008 7:33:01 PM

    Santa Barbara needs to clean up the homeless population before the town worries about offshore drilling. I took my family there on vacation and the homeless were everywhere. The beach was filthy with trash, shopping carts and excriment. Why does'nt the Mayor worry about that? On Castillo St. where we stayed some do-gooder on Sunday had 200 drunk loud homeless people in a park. It was 9 a.m.The city has become run down and run over by the homeless.

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