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  • Posted By: Dracula @ 08/09/2008 7:42:12 PM

    All you guys are just salivating over Obama and what you are going to do in, what, 187 days. What happens if McCain wins? What excuse are you going to try and peddle this time around. You've already used the " selected,not elected" one and "they stole Ohio"; what next?

  • Posted By: 27YearVet @ 08/08/2008 8:03:22 PM

    George Bush should admit to having an affair. He is screwing America!!!

  • Posted By: 27YearVet @ 08/08/2008 8:02:04 PM

    Impeach Bush, Cheney and Mukasey and all Bush's kingdom.!!!
    Congress should stop passing any bills until King Bush gets off his Throne. NO Funding Nothing!!! Shut down the goverment.

  • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 07/17/2008 1:31:20 PM

    This article and many posts here are problematic with what is wrong with the system and the constant finger pointing going on between parties. Simply look at the statements being made. Democrats make it a point to blast at republicans at any opportunity. (Republicans do the same - but I have seen more "one sided views" from democrats.) Some comments talk about the "administration" and blame placing. How quickly they forget the Clintons (democrats). Getting information out of them is like pulling teeth on an alert Lion - just not happening. Yet comments make it out as if it is a "republican" epedemic. Many bloggers here are beyond hypocritical - it is more like they live in a fantasy world of their own. Lets look at the current administration since fifi down below talk about republicans wanting to impeach Clinton.... With Clinton, there were many of his own stupid actions that warranted impeachment (i.e. lying under oath. I don't care about the "sex" as he didn't understand it... The fact that under oath he chose to perjure himself is a big issue - the same act that would have landed several of us in Leavenworth). Anyway, since recent history seems to be lost on a few people here, democrats in congress were moving to impeach Bush from the beginning of his administration simply because he wouldn't be their puppet. He didn't fold to their wishes so "impeach, impeach" was heard on several occasion. No mention of a crime, no proof or substance, simply impeach on innuendos. If this behavior isn't that of hypocrites, please tell me what is. I know many will be offended but I simply don't care. I loath party politics and those engaged therin. Even for these probes to be an issue during a presidential race is suspect. Why now? why not wait? Answer - a political ploy to not promote a candidate, but smear his opponent based on party affiliation.

    • Posted By: tc125231 @ 07/19/2008 1:20:31 AM

      This is nonsense. Typical of whining right wing victim psychology.

      • Posted By: ikie12pts @ 08/06/2008 11:30:31 PM

        Trying to defend the Bush administration is ludicrous, at best. An exercise in futility. I am a history major and have never, ever found any president in American history who has broken so many laws; not even Nixon. The really annoying thing about it is that Bush, Cheney, Lott, Abramoff, Michael Scanlon, Ralph Reed, Gonzales...Halliburton...."no WMDs"...lying to the American public about the cause of the Iraq War...the deaths of 4,000 American soldiers, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens...Katrina debacle where our President had no idea that there had been a hurricane in New Orleans and his side-kicks had to make a DVD for him to view before flying OVER the devastation...Every general who disagreed with Rumsfeld was "retired". How many are there now? Five, six, seven....I I could go on and on and on. Members of this administration are EVIL, plain and simple and they couldn't care less about the American people. Dick Cheney said it best...."f**** you", when he uttered that phrase in the
        United States Congress, AND HE MEANT IT.
        How naive are you people, anyway? The GOP had "W" picked out ten years before he became President in 2000, because he was easily maneuvered into doing what he was told. His brother Jeb was the other choice and is much more intelligent, so the party couldn't settle on him. Cheney wanted to conquer the Middle East when he was in government 25 years ago. It was supposed to be a snap...get access to all of the oil we wanted...If this isn't true, why did we settle on Iraq instead of Korea? It was building bombs and had persecuted its people for 50 years. ANSWER: NO OIL.....
        Wake up and smell the coffee, people.

    • Posted By: bwlear @ 07/17/2008 3:31:51 PM

      While I understand your lying under oath point, I think you miss the big picture, Clinton should never have been under goverment investigation for his sex life in the first place. For a party that preaches less goverment intrusion and involvement in Americans lives, they sure were interested in who Bill was sleeping with when he was President. This ONLY happened after the Republican led Congress could not get him for Whitewater. They spent millions of taxpayer dollars in an attempt to smear Clinton and stop his administration from accomplishing anything effective during its second term while the so called " Contract with America" was preparing us for Enron, WorldCom, a. Anderson, and yes, 9/11.
      As for your claim that the Democrats were out to get Bush from the beginning of his administration, who controlled Congress after BOTH of his electorial wins? And even after Dems won a slim majority, didnt the leadership come out and say that impeachment was " off the table " despite what the majority of Dems wanted? And even you have to admit that this administration has done things to warrent serious consideration even if you did vote for them. There is no comparison between what Clinton was accused of and did when placed next to what Bush and his crew have done.

      • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 07/17/2008 3:49:42 PM

        that is my exact point. There are many accusations floating out there about "What Bush did", but no supstance behind them. If someone has committed a crime - so be it, bring them to justice. But there had better be more than accusations. So far, there are none. Even your post states "what Bush did....", so, my question is... what did Bush do? Give us the accusation and substantial reason to go after him other than someone's heresay. Don't you think that if Bush was guilty of something, the democrats in congress would have him up on charges? Problem is that they have nothing. So continuation of the rumors is an immoral tool being used. As I said, both parties do it. In this particulat blog behind Cheney, I simply find it interesting that it comes up now during a presidential race. This could have come up earlier during primaries, it could have come up before, it could come up later. But the timing is just another misuse of the press and a gross misconduct on a political party to sway voters on emotion rather than fact. This is one of MANY reasons I hate party politics.

        • Posted By: HDavidson @ 07/17/2008 9:54:05 PM

          ALL the "substance is under "EXECUTICE PRIVLIDGE" right ;)If EVErYBODY in the Bush Klan is inocent amd only ever had America's best interest at heart, why all the COVER UP? Why the scooter pardon, did'nt want him to chat with congress, FBI, etc? Whjy is evrything including Dick Cheney's guest list classified? What about the White House guest book, it's our house not Bush's, why the secrets? Just like McCain's Military record, why ALL the secrets, why does Rove refuse to testify? Need I go on?

    • Posted By: dotshock @ 07/17/2008 3:11:39 PM

      Boy is this a Wishful Thinking statement all Republicans, who are still trying to hold their head up, are saying. Democrats are trying tor restore the constitution this Administration has shredded. Dems are trying to get any of the many wrong doings and illegalities prosecuted to prevent anyone in the Future to follow in the same correupt footsteps, whether it be Dems or Reps. How many millions were spent on Whitewater that yielded nothing. And a blow job can hardly be compared to illegal suveillance - breaking the FISA law, eliminating habeous corpes so you can hold anyone at will in jail, or worse, without charge, taking us into Iraq for no good reason and the subsequent deaths of several Americans and thousands of Iraqi, approving torture not acceptable to either the International Red Cross or the World Court, letting Bin Laden get away, ignoring New Orleans with Katrina, and on and on and on. Oh, and who was on watch when Al Qaida orchestrated 9/11. Geese, how uterly preposterous it is to compare this administration with the Clintons, as if they are of equal disgust. Hey, we had money in the bank when Clinton left. This admin. is bankrupting today's and future generations. So go put a sock it in retired marine. Your argument in based in too many false comparisons. This is what the result of the 2006 Congressional elections revealed by the vast majority of voters. If you think 2006 was bad for the GOP, wait until the results come in for 2008. To use criminal investigations to uncover great wrongdoing at this time will hopefully stop Bush from doing more in the time he has left, but I doubt it. His AG just made up a reason to keep Cheney off the hook. Anyone else who breaks the law goes to jail or pays a fine. These guys do it repeatedly and when caught, either use executive privelege B.S. or Congress changes the law. The activity to attempt to prosecute is the exaxt right thing to do at this time. It also sets an expectation for the next administration.

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 07/17/2008 1:37:07 PM

      Bush should be impeached, as Clinton was almost during his Presidency. The reason we can't find criminal charges to bring Bush and his cronies up on is because they will not let us see ANY documentation! Anything that could lead to charges is immediately classified! All of the proof that you speak of is denied access.
      Why not wait? Because if criminal behavior has went on, it likely is STILL going on, and must be stopped. If you murdered someone, do you think the police would wait around to arrest you? Um, no.

  • Posted By: GWBasher @ 08/06/2008 5:37:17 PM

    It's OK America. "We the People" will have our day in 6 months. Hope Cheney doesn't move to Dubai so he can be prosecuted. You realize he is going to leave the country!! Maybe he could fake his death like his buddy did? Oh well I can wait. Better than not getting an answer.

  • Posted By: irvin078 @ 08/06/2008 4:04:10 PM

    ah ah. I never knew that. I will go back to grammar school so that i can start learning my CONSTITUTION AGAIN. I never know that someone in this country was above the law. Is there any worst than that?


    The President is above the law

    Dick Cheney is the sole constitutionalist so that he makes his own law. One for him, his friends, and family. The other ones is for the rest of the people.

    If I lie to the FBI, what could happen to me?
    And about if I refuse to provide information and cover up?

    Here this a desguise totalitarian regime, a good example of dictator. Where is our constitution?


    They lie to us to invade Irak. They fabricate information. What else?

  • Posted By: NiceGuyMike @ 08/06/2008 1:00:26 PM

    Just a note on the impeachment issue and Clinton: Two presidents were impeached: Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. Johnson was later acquitted, and Clinton was impeached only by the House; the Senate acquitted him. The only reason Nixon escaped impeachment was that he resigned before the sessions could be convened, and, then, of course, Gerald Ford pardoned him.

  • Posted By: PGelsman @ 08/06/2008 12:39:03 PM

    January 20th 2009 Will be a glorious day! These scumbags will be out and we'll get some honesty back in DC.

  • Posted By: grammasusan @ 07/26/2008 11:47:28 PM

    Didn't anyone read the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Report that investigated the Plame/Wilson incident? According to the investigation, which included copies of Plame's e-mails on the subject and her CIA peer's testimony Plames and Wilson are both truth challenged. Wilson's op ed piece was in direct contradiction to the briefings he gave to the CIA. Plame's denials of suggesting her husband for Niger trip were contradicted by the copies of her emails and testimony. In addition, Fitzgerald knew Armitage to be the leaker before he began the investigation. The tax payers got to pay for another Special Counsel investigation that began after the Fitzgerald knew the identity of the leaker and Libby wasn't even the leaker. We have a do nothing Congress that allows the citizens who elected them to be saddled with exorbitant gas and heating oil prices, while Pelosi won't even allow the drill bills out of committee. We have baseball players being grilled about steroids and now we witness another taxpayer funded fishing expedition. I thought these people were elected to be about the people's business. According to the US Geological Survey we have billions of barrels of oil off the Continental Shelf and in the Bakken Formation and Congress can't have a discussion about this because of political games. If the Democrats are really on the side of the poor and downtrodden then they need to try to solve the oil costs before the poor and downtrodden freeze this winter.

  • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 07/17/2008 11:45:36 AM

    This is exactly the kind of Government so many have fled from. Sadaam had nothing on the gang of 5, Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld/Powell.. Traitors all!

    • Posted By: Cashew @ 07/24/2008 9:09:56 PM

      Don't Blame this self-center, greedy, power seeking, sick group in our White House, that have lied and cheated, and robbed our people. We put them in office. Don't look back. Let us put someone in office that can tell the truth. Again I have to ask, Who is feeding us fear? Who is Gossiping about the other. Who is pointing fingers at one while three fingers are pointing to themself. Yes, the rich shell rull the poor, as they have done for the last 24 years,(Bush, Clinton, Bush). Can two walk together unless they agree. This Bush wants McCain in office so he can cover the dirt that has been dug-out by the enemy (the citizens of THE USA.) Bush and his cronies believe they are above the law. We the people have to rise above the trash and work toward a better calling. We the people will overcome this disgrace and learn from it.
      I wonder if the Kings who planned it all are really satified, the play their game of checkers and 4000+ have died. Let us not let them die in vain. They died trying to build a better WORLD>.

  • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 07/22/2008 3:15:01 AM

    Bill clinton didn't get impeached for invoking executive privledge but for lieing under oath.
    The majority in congress is pushing the liberal agenda as hard as they can and all it has done is LOWERED the credibility, prestige and approval of the DNC-ledCongress to such a point no one listens to them!
    Even the congressional subpaenas are being ignored! They called in too many industry people on wich hunts! the nws industry was coopereating to smear these people as rip offs and price gougers!
    The lose of congressional approval was earned! Worked for! And it came to them! They should lecture Americans less and not be so judgementive and hatefull. This low approval is not creating conditions for an Obama win! It's his party that made the mess!
    And if they want to blame Republicans ... ignore it. The DNC is just being hateful, judgementive and Bigoted.
    They aren't Happy Americans.

  • Posted By: Dollared @ 07/18/2008 8:08:38 PM

    Oh brother, HappyAmerican, you have big things to worry about.

    • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 07/22/2008 2:31:32 AM

      To happy to worry! I love the USA!
      I like reading about past Presidents! And more information on all of them comes up all the time! Things that are new and never shared with the public before! But things they said and did! thats our "open" form of Government. nothing to worry about at all.

  • Posted By: duckpile @ 07/20/2008 11:21:42 PM

    So when President Clinton invoked executive privelege, it was an impeachable offense, but when Dick Cheney does it, it's a matter of national security? I am not complaining about the Democratic majority in Congress being too anxious to push a Liberal agenda like some politicians have said. I think they should be more agressive! I hope the Republicans go down in flames in the next election, just like they did after Watergate.

  • Posted By: byrontx @ 07/17/2008 6:03:44 AM

    Don't you wonder what is going to happen after Bush & his bunch leaves office? There won't be anyone to cover their butts and there will be all these damnable trails to so many crimes that have yet to come to light. The next few years could end up with them being prosecuted over and over for things much worse than outing CIA agents.

    • Posted By: freedomschoice @ 07/20/2008 6:15:44 PM

      You got to be kidding. Nothing is going to happen to these crimenals. They get their fat ensions and will live happilly ever after.

  • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 07/18/2008 7:16:50 PM

    This type of informatiomn does come to the fore in later years.... for historians and educational reasons. And there's a fountain of filed information coming up about all our Presidents as they are historic people.
    There is one living former president who was impeached, perminently and for life...
    What perculates up from the files abut him is sure to be interesting to future Americans! Future Americans will be able to research beyond the blue dress! And who knows what may bubble up yet on Vince Foster? what happened to information that the Oklahoma city bombing was joint domestic AND foriegn terrorism...
    ...just so much to learn about------OH! Oh!
    Maybe getting THAT information stuffed back into the files is what Hillary wants to bust her behind to get in the White house over!!!!
    Go in debt by millions of dollars to do? how far are the Clintons willing to go?
    It remains to be seen! it's a long way to November!

  • Posted By: fifi16 @ 07/17/2008 11:24:10 AM

    What a mess!!! Remember how the Republicans were so hell bent to impeach Clinton over Monica??
    This Administration is so corrupt it makes the old Solviet Union look like a good place to live. As a Democrat, I'm totally disgusted that there is NO leadership to prosecute these criminals and make them stand trial for their crimes. We the People had better start demanding the elected senators, congress, and house members do "OUR" work!

    • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 07/17/2008 1:43:02 PM

      As an independant, I am disgusted at all the accusations of crimes with no substance to back up the accusations. The very people you want to "do our work" are the corrupt senators and congressmen who haven't really been representing us to begin with. You don't want the truth, you want lynching because you don't support the president. That is VERY typical of the democrat side. Thw whinning and crying and demands for courts to get involved if their candidate isn't elected.... Sorry, but that;'s been my observation over the past several elections. It is rare that the democrats ever come together after an election to support a republican president. The republican side most often seem to at least try to reach accross and support after elections - makes me lean toward republican if I wanted to join a party. (Rather go with the prosecuted side than with the cry babies) How soon you forget that democrats in congress were "Hell bent" on impeaching Bush from the start of his presidency... they seemed to look for any excuse, even if there were no substance to back up an accusation.

      If you believe that the Soviet Union would be a better place to live, there are countries pretty similar. No one is stopping you from moving. Having seen these countries, I am confident in saying that you probably have never even left the us to see the world...

      • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 07/17/2008 5:01:44 PM

        retiredmarine, that's some "independent" outlook. When did you become an Independent? We all know you as one of the mouth-breathing out of touch 23%ers of the GOP lunatic fringe. Do you lack the briquets to correctly identify yourself? Are you ashamed?

        • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 07/17/2008 5:19:20 PM

          Bass pro, just sounds like you can't handle the truth. Maybe my comments sound like I toot the republican horn sometimes, but that is only in response to brainwashed left wing extreme liberals whose views are WAY out of touch with reality. Sounds like I struck your nerve.

          • Posted By: Dollared @ 07/18/2008 5:33:16 PM

            Retired Marine,

            We have proof - undeniable proof - that the Administration violated the Geneva Convention, lied us into war, outed a CIA agent for political advantage, and repeatedly lied under oath.

            What more do you need?

  • Posted By: dtbham @ 07/18/2008 2:16:03 PM

    We need to send Bush and Cheney to Abu Ghraib for crimes against the U.S.

  • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 07/18/2008 1:58:42 PM

    Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Gonzalez and now Mukasey all need to be tried for high crimes and misdemeanors against the US Constitution, for (1) their continuing efforts to suspend the writ of habeas corpus with regard to the policy of rendition, (2) their refusal to uphold the Geneva Convention and other treaties entered into by the US, and (3) their continuing efforts to undermine the separation of the three branches of government.

    Cheney, however, needs to be tried for treason against his country for deliberately promoting the leaking of a covert CIA agent's identity.

    Both Clinton and Nixon committed crimes that deserved impeachment - both had to do with lying, cover-ups, and obstruction of justice. (And while Clinton's sexual nonsense may not be on the same level as paying thieves to break into someone's office, what Clinton did was nothing short of sexual harassment - if he had been a republican CEO dipping into the secretarial pool instead of a popular democrat playing with an intern, the feminists would have demanded he be tarred and feathered.)

    Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice, Gonzalez, and Mukasey are also part of this general lying/cover up/obstruction of justice pattern as Clinton and Nixon (and you may throw LBJ in there a well).

    Cheney, however, may well have committed treason, and may be a traitor to his country.

    Impeachment is bad enough; treason is a hanging offense.

  • Posted By: quetzl @ 07/17/2008 10:11:51 PM

    Oh, shut up. Who gives a pimped plame about this tabloid game of a country clubbing, bleached blond whoring her memoirs? Let 'em eat (yellow)cake!

  • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 07/17/2008 3:59:49 PM

    For RetiredMarine, I was a Navy man but I party hardy with more than a few Marines stationed in Norfolk, when i'm visiting. Everyone of them got a sick look on their face when McCain's name came up. McCain, in case you didn't know, led the Armed Services committee sent to investigat the possible existance of MIAs in Veit Nam. It was mcCain who declared that no MIAs remained alive there. In 1998 a Sergeant name Gresham from Seattle reported that his study found that as many as 160 MIAs were still in captivity. Now I know how incredible this sounds. how could that be? Here's my point, even if the Sergeant's info is incorrect, how could McCain make such a definitive remark? And why? The fact tnat mccain's stock couldn't be higher there has been the result. Cindy's recent "smiles" tour certainly proved that, where she was welcomed with open arms by the communists. If you're a retired Marine, who knows, i know I'm not a professional bass fisherman, then these oaths should ring a bell Semper Fi and No Man Left Behind!

    • Posted By: Foresttoday @ 07/17/2008 6:11:16 PM

      From what I have seen retiredMarine is right on target. Now why in the world would you mention that about McCain. It has nothing to do with running for President, if POW's were found to be alive, and McCain was president, then is the time to judge him. How long has it been since the 160 MIA were said to be alive and is the fact varifiable? So this Sergeants report was made in 1998 and when was Sen. McCanins remark made and to what group. There is enough holes in this story to drive a truck through, or better yet a Battle Ship, if there is any left. :-)

      • Posted By: HDavidson @ 07/17/2008 9:48:31 PM

        Yeah too bad it's all ion sealed file McCain wil never open for VOTER eyes to see...different story there I guess ;)

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