Fashion Police: Flint Cracks Down on Sagging

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  • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/18/2008 9:01:18 PM

    By the way, jailing saggers won't do a thing. People act like there aren't gangs and murders in prison. 30 days to six months of jail time in a jail around Flint may not be the hardest of hard time, but I bet it's enough to join a prison gang, get raped, get abused, and come out way more *** up than when you went in. Kids who are just going into jail wanting to be cool and dress like rappers are going to be put with violent armed robbery suspects, lifetime thugs, and maybe murderers. People act like jail "cures" ***. It doesn't. Jail is MESSED UP, anywhere you go.

  • Posted By: Cottonseed @ 07/18/2008 4:10:09 PM

    Welcome to the Brave New World where how high you wear your pants is more important than having the police do their real job which is to catch dangerous criminals and protect citizens from harm. No one has the right to dictate a persons personal appearance based on their own opinion and prejudices and disguise it as the law. And this is nothing new. Growing up in the south in the 1960-70s and wearing my hair down to my shoulders and clothing such as my favorite pair of "flag pants" got me harassed and singled out for close scrutiny on a regular basis. So I know this kind of prejudice first hand. Leave those of us who choose to have a unique or current style of dress alone and go catch some bad guys for a change.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/18/2008 8:54:58 PM

      "Welcome to the Brave New World where how high you wear your pants is more important than having the police do their real job which is to catch dangerous criminals and protect citizens from harm"

      That is effing awesome. So so so true. I laughed my ass off.

      "We can't do *** about our hundreds of murders this year. But those pants got to go."

  • Posted By: saggers gone wild @ 07/18/2008 8:48:00 PM

    So somehow....MAGICALLY our society is going to improve because people are not wearign baggy jeans anymore? You really believe that? You cannot say it's "Indecent exposure" because many saggers wear basketball shorts under their pants......they also wear long t-shirts........this style has been around for about 20 years.....and you're spending a Friday night debating it? How do YOU dress? How DID you dress in high school? Where is YOUR yearbook photo? Also, please join SAGGERS GONE WILD (DOT) COM...Hot muscle guys in saggy pants 24/7

  • Posted By: saggers gone wild @ 07/18/2008 8:43:49 PM

    So you're supposed to dress as if you're going to a job interview 24 hours a day? How do you know saggers want a white collar job? Maybe they want to work as a mechanic or in another blue collar profession....they probably make more than you!

  • Posted By: finch @ 07/18/2008 5:00:32 PM

    hey ding-dong they are exposing themsleves and its not a right to dress how ever you wish if you're walking around with you're ass hanging out. what ever happen to decency? and you should know better that the freedom we have has come at a great cost to others so its OK to walk around with you're ass hanging out because someone died for the right of freedom of clothing expression???

    • Posted By: Tweetin @ 07/18/2008 8:28:00 PM

      I can only assume this was in response to my comment.
      How eloquent of you to call me a ding-dong for disagreeing with you. It certainly proved what a well thought out argument you have on the matter.
      If they're rear ends are showing then by all means that IS exposure and cause for arrest. However I've seen much worse attire than the top of someone's boxers showing. It's not a style I choose to wear, however my personal choices are MINE much like that choice belongs to them. I could care less if it's a way of profiling a specific race or whether you think it looks stupid, and if they choose to wear their clothing and it inhibits their ability to find a decent job, that is their problem and if that was their concern they'd dress according to societal 'norms'. It IS a right to choose your own clothing as much as it is a right to choose your own hairstyle, religon, or whomever you choose to support politically.
      Yeah, you're entirely correct. They fought and sacrificed so that constitutional rights could be taken away because "you don't like it".

  • Posted By: Amra ogmios AOson @ 07/18/2008 4:20:04 PM

    to jasmith2002 part of what you are saying is true,the prisons are overcrowded by gangs! Gangs deal drugs! gangs created rap music to enslave the minds of the young people and to make money and be famous. Do you even notice that many major rap stars are gangsters who try to kill each other?? Sagging is a gang mentality statement! We shouldnt oppress free speech or the right of any american who is trying to be a law abiding citizen.But gangs and drugs and rap music are major diseases that need to be removed from this country at any exspense!Then we wont need to build new prisons. And it is gangs and drugs and rap,and poverty that is created by big corporations and credit card companys and wall street and greed and laziness and any and all such evil type mentalities. That are destroying our once great nation under the Almighty God!

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/18/2008 5:58:53 PM

      Rap music reflects the poverty of the inner city, and gangs were around long, long before rap was. I take issue with your statement that it's a "disease", as a matter of fact, rappers who used to be thugs usually clean up their act. And people working in hip-hop don't have to go stealing. It's like Dr. Dre said on his last album - "Imagine Russell still struggling / no Def Jam, just another brother hustling", talking about Russell Simmons, founder of Def Jam records, who's now a mogul and a major philanthropist and a postive force in the African-American community at large.

      As for gangs and drugs, like I said, they're reflective of problems that go a lot, lot deeper than you seem to think. They're a result of long-term debilitating poverty that goes back to prejudice against immigrant communities and post-slavery African-Americans for the last 150 years or longer. Some thugs get into the whole gang culture; other people just go thugging because they can't get jobs because the public schools didn't teach them anything worth knowing and they're tired of going to bed hungry and not being able to pay bills or ending up on the street.

      If you want to fix gangs, fix poverty first, and you'll find that a serious portion of the gang problem has cured itself.

      • Posted By: ncbear @ 07/18/2008 8:27:39 PM

        Thats it. Just blame whitey.

  • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/18/2008 8:18:34 PM

    My mom had a very un-PC but earthy response response to this:

    "Do you know anything about Flint? It's an armpit. I can't understand why they don't all leave and have a better life somewhere else. The people I saw in the black neighborhoods just scared me. They were huddled around fires burning in their front yards."

    My guess is that that's because a lot of them can't afford heating. I would absolutely bet there are poor white neighborhoods around there too doing the same thing, so I don't think it speaks to race, just poverty. Flint's been *** up since the late '60s, she said. It needs economic help or "bulldozing", in her words.

    I can say for sure she didn't mean bulldozing anyone's home, just that things were so bad that they really could have a better life almost anywhere in Michigan at this point, and that poverty had reduced that town almost beyond habitability. And I can sympathize in a weird way, because the kind of unemployment situation that's producing something like this isn't good for anybody.

    We really need to transition our auto workers into some more profitable sectors until Motown gets its act together, if ever.

  • Posted By: saggin sucks @ 07/18/2008 6:56:43 PM

    WHEN the illegals came to my ancestors land! i remained proud of my people!!!! We were not racists! When they killed all of our buffulo to kill my people!! we remained strong! when my grandfathers scalped people that were trying to kill us i was proud!!!!! stand stong real americans!! For when america is broke, with nothing let to offer again' all the knuckle dragging saggers will cry for freedom of their own countries!!! RED CLOUD

  • Posted By: jtlt @ 07/18/2008 4:05:17 PM

    Hallelujah !!!!!! Its about time someone stepped up to get these houligans off the streets. Anyone who dresses that way is immature. Its similar to seeing a trashy hooker. Its about time the parents stepped up and made their kids dress appropriately and look like they have an ounce of common sense. Try going to an interview looking like that and see where it gets you. Its a disgrace and I am glad this police chief is doing something about it.

    • Posted By: jasmith2002 @ 07/18/2008 4:19:02 PM

      You are a complete idiot! do you know what the constitution is or stands for?

      • Posted By: 12guineapigs @ 07/18/2008 4:36:46 PM

        Enter Your Comment
        Do you know what the Constitution stands for? It means that whether or not you think the poster is a "complete idiot," he/she has the right to say just what he or she wants to. I love the double standard!

        • Posted By: jasmith2002 @ 07/18/2008 6:35:38 PM

          Correct! Which is exactly why I called him an idiot and followed up with a question? I didn't tell him he didn't have the right to voice his opinion! I mearly just pointed out the fact that his ignorance is largely what is wrong with america

  • Posted By: urohw @ 07/18/2008 5:36:50 PM

    Ooooo, I don't like how you dress. Ooooooo we all need uniforms to wear in public. Oooooo, my opinion counts and your isn't worth anything. Want a perfect example of why you are all wrong? Albert Einstein. Dressed like a slob, didn't keep his hair neat, looked like he was homeless. Only one of the great MINDS of all time. Judge people by the way they look, and you will be wrong.

    • Posted By: jasmith2002 @ 07/18/2008 6:27:49 PM

      A brilliant perspective!

  • Posted By: ewrgrgewg @ 07/18/2008 6:10:33 PM

    It's all about pride. When someone wears a suit to work they are prideful of their position and income. When someone wears nice clothes to a place of worship they are prideful of their God and religion. When someone wears a designer gown to a concert or play they are prideful of their money and taste. When someone wears some designer clothes to school they are prideful of their parent???s money and their own taste. When someone can???t afford nice clothes they are either: humble, ashamed of themselves, or envious of others.

    When a person ???sags??? they are prideful of their body and sexuality. They think, perhaps subconsciously, that everyone else want???s to get in their pants. Of course it is not true, but I think that???s what they are proud of. People don???t like feeling ashamed of themselves or envious of others. Internal humbleness is seen as weakness by other people. These people want to feel prideful of themselves for some reason. If they have a good body, that???s something they can be proud of. This is just a style, yes. But why are styles popular? I think styles serve some deeper emotional need. Styles indicate you fit into a social group???s hierarchy. There???s no one social hierarchy. People usually choose a social hierarchy in which they believe they can compete most successfully. If you ???sag??? you want to move up the social hierarchy of people who value body and sex above all else. It???s a style of dress which people like because of the way it makes them think about themselves. They feel successful in their chosen social hierarchy.

    Therefore, if you want to stop ???sagging???, the most effective way is not to make it illegal! The most effective way to stop ???sagging??? is to help these young men build something to be proud of ~besides, only, their bodies and sexuality. Then, they will choose to compete in a different social hierarchy.

  • Posted By: sonshyne @ 07/18/2008 6:02:40 PM

    what's the difference between seeing the form of a butt through boxers and being able to see the form of breasts through shirts? absolutely nothing. Sagging pants is one of the least offensive things i see people wearing in public these days....

    On another note, America's laws are getting stupid. The government is overstepping its authority when it tells you how to dress in public and to not play with your Iphone while crossing a street in New York. Are you an idiot for getting hit by a car on a street because you were texting instead of watching where you were walking? Yes. Are you an idiot for sagging your pants so everyone can see your boxers? Possibly, but that depends on the person. The point is, you can't make laws to make people not be idiots, they're just going to have to learn that on their own. We already have indecent exposure. Let's just keep the law as it is, no bare asses and it's all legit.

  • Posted By: Metric @ 07/18/2008 4:18:42 PM

    Like the article said, Flint has much larger issues than its residences wearing a style that the current Police Chief doesn't like. I live in a small town about 35 miles from Flint and I won't go there. I don't know anyone who does. I personally think that his objection to sagging is just a cover for some bigger objection he has. Instead of pushing his weight around over some trivial issue and creating even more negative publicity for Flint, he needs to focus on the bigger issues, be honest with it's citizens and create a positive atmosphere for Flint. It's a beautiful, old city with great buildings and great potential. But it obviously has bad management. One of the greatest things about cities is all the diverse and eclectic fashions. And what about all those guys (and sometimes women) that you see walking around or sitting down with their butt cracks actually showing. Isn't that what his little blue law of conduct is talking about? I'd rather see fashionable boxers than plumbers crack anyday.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/18/2008 5:52:14 PM

      Flint is broke. It's been broke forever. It's an old auto industry factory town. Flint was having serious economic problems because of auto industry issues back in the 1980s when Detroit was still doing OK.

      I'm sure a lot of this bad feeling is coming out of the extreme poverty and high crime the city's had for decades now, which is not to say that it isn't a beautiful city, though I have personally never been there.

      Nice comment about plumber's crack, though.

  • Posted By: Jeech @ 07/18/2008 5:46:40 PM

    I personally abhor the sagging - I think it is childish, immature, and just not good to look at....but if you're going to let the KKK demonstrate in this country, why stop people from dressing the way the want?

    • Posted By: saggin sucks @ 07/18/2008 5:51:58 PM

      CAUSE WHEN YA WALK IN GROCERY STORES,ITS ABOUT CLEANLYNESS' ITS A PLACE WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO BUY CONSUMABLE PRODUCTS,,BUT IF THE PLACE SMELLS LIKE ASS,,WELL THAT JUST MIGHT COST THE STORES CUSTOMERS...WAKE UP DUDE..THE LOOK IS NOT FIT FOR PUBLIC! CLEAN IT UP AMERICA!!!

  • Posted By: BabyCasper @ 07/18/2008 4:28:20 PM

    This could be illegal and its pretty much a stupid law. I am 19 and live in California so maybe I dont know what the rules are over there but they should pretty much be the same thing in dress code as over here. And if the police chief is putting attention in this he should look in a mirror and see how he dresses, I am pretty sure that not every body likes that type of style. Lets think about the Pachuco style, people wearing that were just expressing where they came from and it was a style of their own and yet they where singled out by the law and beated by sailors who got awey with it most of the time. Now if we look at this style, it does not offend anybody and there are millions of people that dress that way and I am pretty sure that is someone saggs it doesnt consider them gangsters of meen that they are going to be doing anything badd and if the police chief is doing it because he does not want to be looking at peoples underwear why is he looking that low for, they are dressing like that because its a look, a fashion that has been around for centuries. I think that the chief shold look good at his actions or just get a life because if he doesnt want to see underwear then he shouldnt alow bathing suit magazines to be sold there either or how bout in stores, should the images in front of the undergarments be censored because of some guy who thinks he could do wathever he wants because he was gaved a little more power. I think this is more of a thing that he is trying to show that he has power and wants to excet it, now lets think about how Hitler was, making jews dress a certain way can we call the Chief trying to be a dictador now. Hail Dicks! Lets go ahead and let people do wathever they want like Bush lied to us and now everybody is suffering because of high gas prices and unemployment. These type of people should be stoped before they get power crazy and do wathever they want.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/18/2008 5:48:18 PM

      Yeah, the Zoot Suit riots were bad news, and contributed to a lot of bad blood between Latinos and cops out here. I can see this doing the same thing over in Flint.

    • Posted By: 12guineapigs @ 07/18/2008 4:32:05 PM

      Ever heard of spell check? You might want to consider it if you really want to be taken seriously.

  • Posted By: Truth2BFree @ 07/18/2008 4:34:56 PM

    YOU IDIOTS. THE POLICE CHIEF IS ACTUALLY TRYING TO STOP A MIND SET. IT IS NOT COOL TO BE GHETTO!!!! WHEN I WAS COMING UP WE WERE TRYING TO MOVE ON UP LIKE GEORGE AND WEEZY, AND GET OUT OF THE GHETTO. THERE WERE REAL LIFE FATHERS LIKE JAMES EVANS OF GOOD TIMES TRYING TO GET THEIR FAMILIES OUT OF THE GHETTO. NOW BEING GHETTO IS RELISHED. THE KIDS LOOK UP TO THEIR GHETTO GODS LIKE 50 AND SNOOP, WHO DON'T EVEN LIVE IN THE GHETTO ANYMORE AND LIVE IN GATED COMMUNITIES. THE ONLY THING IS THAT KEEPING THAT MIND SET KEEPS YOU POOR AND IN THE GHETTO. AS A BLACK MAN I HATE THAT YOUNG BROTHERS DON'T HAVE ANY MORE RESPECT FOR THEMSELVES THAT THEY WOULD NOT WANT TO LOOK PRESENTABLE. I ACTUALLY THINK IT IS SOME KIND OF GAY DOWN LOW THANG. I MEAN WALKING AROUND WITH YOUR ASS HANGING OUT IS NOT REALLY STRAIGHT LOOKING. I HAVE A GAY NEPHEW THAT HAD TO PUT THE BEAT DOWN ON A SAGGER QUESTIONING WHAT HE WAS LOOKING AT. MY NEPHEW TOLD HIM "YOUR BIG ASS HANGING OUT THEM JEANS, YOU GOT IT OUT THERE." THE SAGGER ATTEMPTED TO FIGHT MY NEPHEW AND ENDED UP QUITE EMBARRASSED. ITS ALL A MENTALITY ISSUE. THE POLICE CHIEF IS ACTUALLY TRYING TO HELP YOUNG BROTHERS. MAYBE IN THE WRONG WAY BUT FOR THE RIGHT REASONS. MY SON IS NOT ALLOWED TO SAG, NEITHER ARE MOST OF HIS FRIENDS. BUT WE GO TO CHURCH AND HAVE MORALS AND SO DO MY SONS FRIENDS PARENTS. MORALS...NUFF SAID.

    • Posted By: GoGators#1 @ 07/18/2008 4:47:42 PM

      Truth2Bfree couldn't have put it very much better. The mindset of ghetto being cool is, if I may say so, counter productive to eliminating (or at least trying to) racism and the thought train that all African Americans are thugs from the ghetto. Let's face it, if you dress like a thug, act like a thug, talk like a thug...well, what do you expect people to think? First impressions are lasting ones.

      • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/18/2008 5:46:58 PM

        There are saggers who are thugs, but the 90% of them who are just trendy or wannabes are gonna get jailed for no reason. You can't start presuming guilty; it's against the Constitution and it's meant to prevent abuses of power. This guy might think he's doing good for his city, but it's a slow slide towards an invasive police state once you start doing things like this.

        Thankfully, this is about on par with America's past violations of Constitutional principle, so I'm not going to worry too much.

  • Posted By: xookoful@bugmenot.com @ 07/18/2008 5:43:06 PM

    I'll bet Albert Einstein's pants were above his ass and not below it! What can we say of those who keep their pants below their ass? Any Einsteins in that group? Not even a snowball's chance in hell. You are correct. Great minds keep their pants above their ass! Those w/ pants below their ass, not-so-great minds.

    • Posted By: saggin sucks @ 07/18/2008 5:45:22 PM

      FREAKIN
      GREAT BRO!!!

  • Posted By: JeromeTerrible @ 07/18/2008 4:50:50 PM

    Grammas with ugly Christmas sweaters are offensive. A-holes on Blackberrys at the grocery store are offensive. YOU HAVING ANOTHER UGLY KID IS OFFENSIVE! :-) AMERICA IS OFFENSIVE.

    AND THIS IS OFFENSIVE : SUCK MY BALLLLLLLLLZ cus they saggin too!

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/18/2008 5:44:33 PM

      I actually laughed my ass off at this. Irreverence is one of the better responses to conformist thinking.

    • Posted By: saggin sucks @ 07/18/2008 5:13:50 PM

      well jerome, you know' if your jealous of the things other people have, maybe you should act like an american and dress with proper eddicate.that way you can get somewhere in this life..cause lord know they aint be no tuggin in heaven,,(DEAR MAMMA) WHAT A FU-KIN DUMBASS YOU ARE...CLEAN IT UP AND ACT LIKE YOUR SOMEONE OTHER THAN (SUB-HUMAN)

    • Posted By: GoGators#1 @ 07/18/2008 4:55:54 PM

      That's it JeromeTerrible, go on and show just how ignorant YOU are! Now we all know how all you can do is start lashing out with offensive language. Oh, and as a military man in the Air Force, all I can say is if you find the country which we military defend with our lives is offensive, you are most welcome (and encouraged!) to LEAVE it for those of us who LOVE America.

  • Posted By: xookoful@bugmenot.com @ 07/18/2008 5:32:03 PM

    Just kill 'em all; kill 'em all. Like ducks on a pond.

  • Posted By: saggin sucks @ 07/18/2008 5:28:54 PM

    MAYBE BAROCK OBAMMA CAN CONVINCE THE YOUTH IN THE USA, ITS TIME FOR A CHANGE!!!! OF BOXERS HA HA!!!!!

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