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  • Posted By: m180375 @ 07/20/2008 5:10:05 AM

    Good gravy. We've been subjected to numerous op-eds, commentaries, and cartoons related to McCain's age and the supposed link to objective decision-making. You make one negative reference to Obama and it's off with your head. What a *** joke. He looks like a grinning twit with big-ass ears. There. Let's have at the racist comment and "don't you be touching my Messiah" outrage. This nation has gotten way too f'ing PC.

  • Posted By: danwaa @ 07/19/2008 2:19:28 PM

    The damage President Bush has done to America's image abroad is greatly exaggerated. That one under experienced politician like Obama Barack can single handedly change the world' s perception of The USA is extremely rediculous and it shows a lack of insight by those who think this way. If one man can change the world's perception of the US, it shows how irrellevent that perception is and how twisted it is. The worlds perception of the US will not improve for long if Obama becomes president, because the world will see that the US no longer has a strong and good leader.

    • Posted By: a brighter America 08 @ 07/20/2008 4:09:26 AM

      Really? You consider GWB a strong an good leader?? Okay, you are entitled to your opinion. No, Senator Obama cannot singlehandedly change the world; however he will make a good start by being more open to world leaders. Nothing has ever worked well when our President labels other countries as the Axis of Evil. Look at how the world looks at us, we have lost total respect!! Other leaders are "polite" to our current president. His rating as President is now at about 26-27. NOT good!! I think a lot of people underestimate Senator Obama's power, yes, power. He is a strong and powerful man and wants to SERVE our country. You see, Barack Obama comes from humble beginnings, has worked hard to get to where he's at and I applaud him that at age 46 he is running for president of this great nation. He has done it on his merit. He does not have the power of a political family, he is not riding on anybody's coattails, and I give him kudos for that also. What Barack Obama brings are good character, integrity, good judgement, wisdom, vision, outstaniding leadership qualities, outstanding financial managerial skills. He is brilliant, smart, and extremely intelligent. To me, all these qualities chump the false claims of experience, such as McCain is using. FACT: NOONE HAS THE PRESIDENTIAL EXPERIENCE UNLESS HE/SHE IS THE INCUMBENT AND IS RUNNING FOR REELECTION.

  • Posted By: gliderpilot @ 07/20/2008 3:50:40 AM

    Which candidate would support the following energy solution proposal, Obama or McCain?

    Proposal: We know that the US Navy has been installing the S5W reactor in ships for about 50 years. These are perhaps the best reactors ever designed (they were designed by Admiral Rickover). These reactors have never had an accident. They are small and powerful. They can be transported on a RR flatcar. They can be returned to the factory for refueling. They can be cooled with fresh or salt water.

    Let American cities purchase and install S5W reactors and distribute the power generated to rate payers. Set up S5W installations to generate hydrogen fuel which in turn may power cars and trucks.

  • Posted By: mistermcfrugal @ 07/19/2008 4:24:40 PM

    Just as bit of aside, I've read many of the posting here and would like to ask the left leaning writer to consider a style change. If the people on the left are so smart, so sophisticated and more knowledgeable than the misfits on the right, would you please consider using more creative language? I mean, repeated use of the phrase "McSame" or "McBush" is boring, very boring. Can't you geniuses come up with something better? In other words, don't you run a huge risk of reader alienation using that "McSame" phrase? If I see that 'same' phrase another ten thousand times between now and this same time in October, I'm going to think that use of that same phrase refers to another idiot leftist. Get it??

    • Posted By: desertgirl @ 07/20/2008 2:13:38 AM

      Good point. I would also like to know how so many of the educated, intelligent, who know so much more than us troglodytes, know absolutely zip about economics. There's some reality for you.

      • Posted By: a brighter America 08 @ 07/20/2008 3:45:24 AM

        McCain, himself, admitted he did not know anything about economics. Gramm has coached him and McCain parrots. McCain knows nothing about economics, period. Also, he is so backwards, he doesn't even know how to use a computer!!! Obviously he has made no effort to stay abreast of modern technology!! Has made no effort to take classes and smarten up on economics either. He is out of touch with the modern world, the country and us, the people. Why should he concern himself with what is actually going on with our middleclass and the poor? He has seven, yes, seven houses and never has to worry about any personal financial problems, he never has to worry about having enough food to eat or a warm bed in which to sleep. The man is behind the times. McCain just wants to be president before he keels over. Afterall, he believes his POW status of 35 years ago prepared him for the Presidency !

  • Posted By: College Dad @ 07/20/2008 12:50:11 AM

    To those who disparage Obama: what are you offering America. McCain?
    McCain is a cheating, flip-flopping, muddled politician who thought the Iraq war would be a cakewalk. He continually says that his closest advisors don't represent his (McCain"s) own beliefs. Yet only recently, McCain praised the same people he is disavowing now. If McCain disagrees so strongly with his closest advisors, why did he make them advisors in the first place? McCain is obviously lying about this issue.
    Obama is a paragon of virtue when McCain's distortions are considered.

    No McCain in '08!
    Vote Obama.

    • Posted By: gliderpilot @ 07/20/2008 3:37:40 AM

      While Obama made opposition to the Iraq war his signal issue, McCain recommended a surge. McCain was right and Obama was wrong. McCain also has the sensible approach to a strong economy (low taxation and low federal spending) and reduced energy costs (offshore drilling and nuclear power). Obama is opposed to new drilling and to nuclear power. Obama is an inexperienced novice opporturnist, while McCain has the seasoned wisdom that only comes with good sense and long experience. McCain is also a patriot that nobody doubts, while Obama is suspect of being an America hater that only wants change to the far left.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/20/2008 2:21:43 AM

      College Dad, you say that McCain thought the Iraq war would be a cakewalk. Source of infor is? Link?

      You speak of McCain disavowing his advisors, at least his advisors were not at the core of his SPIRITUAL being like Obamas spiritual advisor, his pastor and close friend (like an uncle) that he thru under the bus (finally) for political expediency.

  • Posted By: FannieFred @ 07/19/2008 10:28:56 PM

    Ms. Clift may have a point ...somewhere. All of us bitter, gun-toting, and religion clinging voters probably just look at the Internet pictures without reading the elitist scorn about why we question Obama's ties to people like Rashid Khalidi who speaks with Ahmadinejad (Columbia visit) and Bill Ayers. We ask why Raila Odinga says Obama is his cousin, why Obama campaigned for him, and these little things that the media ignores.

    • Posted By: desertgirl @ 07/20/2008 2:19:43 AM

      Come on, now just admit that you didn't support Obama from Day 1 for the same reason that other people won't vote for Obama: His skin color.

      All those reasons about political differences? Poor judgment? Lack of experience? Just hiding racism.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/20/2008 2:30:11 AM

        NAME-CALLING

        When one is called a Racist, a Bigot, a White Supremacist, the arguer is not simply trying to define a person's position but is trying to define a person. When in the course of debate, one is called by someone a racist, et al, that person is not trying to clarify an argument but to end one. Racist is not an argument, it is a pejorative. Let's allow Jared Taylor of the New Century Foundation explain:

        If someone calls you a RACIST s/he has completely shifted his ground and is not dealing with facts or logic anymore. He is saying You are bad!, which is PURE EMOTION. Prof. Michael Levin, author of Why Race Matters, says this kind of CHILDISH OUTBURST makes no more sense than calling someone a POOPOO-HEAD. Grownups do it only because it works, and it works only because so many whites are invertebrates.

        The silliness of the RACISM charge is especially clear if you are talking about racial differences in IQ. Just point out that the only legitimate issue is how to interpret the evidence. Your conclusions are either right or wrong. If someone stops trying to explain why you are wrong and instead starts calling you names, it is a sure sign he cannot explain why you are wrong, hich is because you are right. (American Renaissance, June 2001) : http://www.stormloader.com/need2know/names.htm

        • Posted By: a brighter America 08 @ 07/20/2008 3:23:30 AM

          Sharenews, You have quoted another article. You should give the author of that article due credit and not claim it as your own. At the very least, protocol calls for (QUOTE) just before what you are quoting and close it with (UNQUOTE)

          The Hilliary supporters and the Repubs take the lead and win hands down in name calling. They not only lie about the good senator from Illinois, they downright slaner him and call him every ugly name in the book!! Then they call his supports cultists, ignorant, stupid, Obamaheads, mindless sheep, etc, etc. I have never in my life witness such hate as these folks spew. I call it a severe case of diarrhea of the mouth!!

  • Posted By: gliderpilot @ 07/20/2008 3:19:22 AM

    The reason the New Yorker cartoon got traction is that it has a truthful basis. The facts are that Obama did wear muslim garb, he did attend a medrassa, his birth name is Baraca Hussein Obama, he did identify with a church that defined itself by giving Louis Farrakhan a life achievement award, he did say that rural folks cling to their guns and religion, he did say that his grandmother is a typical white person - she is afraind of black men, his wife did say that she has never been proud of America.

  • Posted By: College Dad @ 07/20/2008 12:32:15 AM

    We finally have a candidate in Obama who wants to build America using those qualities that have made it great (a willingness to rise to the occasion using new methods), but who is willing to forgo the ineffectual strategies that have held it back in the past.

    Obama gives us a chance to move forward, seize the initiative, and begin a new era of innovation and prosperity.

    Let's not blow it! Vote Obama in '08!

    • Posted By: desertgirl @ 07/20/2008 2:21:21 AM

      What bigger government? Higher taxes? More regulation? Increased government spending? More government programs?

      • Posted By: a brighter America 08 @ 07/20/2008 3:07:58 AM

        desertgirl, maybe if there had been regulations on the lending institutions by the government, we would not be having the home foreclosures!! Talk about increased govt spending!! Have you had your head in the sand? The current administration has run up enormous debt on a needless war and has NEGLECTED our country. From all the deaths and damage done by Katrina and the latest storms and the rising Mississippi River, we find out the levees were in poor shape and could not retain the waters. Just a couple of examples where some portion of those billions of dollars could have been spent to fix those levees and prevent such damages and loss of lives. It is so funny to see/hear you Republicans try and discredit a man who has more wisdom and vision than that member of the geriatric political brigade, McCain, who believes his being shot down and taken POW 35 years ago qualifies him for the Office of the Presidency. Everybody calls him a hero for being a POW. Do you know the man was reprimanded by his commanders? They told him he would NEVER make admiral; he had shamed the McCain name, his unit, the U.S.Navy, and The United States of America. McCain had to have committed major infractions to merit such severe reprimands! I wonder if this is why McCain sealed his military records?? As far as the hero portion, McCain was never awarded "THE METAL OF HONOR"!! This metal is reserved for the TRUE HEROES. By claiming he is a hero because of being a POW, McCain is demeaning our TRUE HEROES, those superbly brave military who literally risk their own lives by putting the lives of their troops before their own. A good number of our these selfless members of our military have received "The Metal of Honor" posthumously. Perhaps McCain would answer WHY he decided to return to the target he had just hit?? WHY was he flying low and slow?? This is really bizarre!! Did he want to look at the carnage he had caused?? As far as I know, once a target is attacked, the pilot immediately returns or it home base. There is a lot about McCain we do not know! And frankly, I do not trust him; he'll be the second coming of GWB and we'll get more of the sameo, sameo.

  • Posted By: ladeyday @ 07/19/2008 2:27:03 PM

    Right on analysis of that cover. Many of us get it, but most don't. The majority of people who will see this cover (and by now, almost everyone must have) cannot discern it's satirical intent as most of us are unwilling to think past sound bites or visuals. Others who get it will use it to propagandize for someone (McCain) who is unfit for office due to his lame campaign, flip-flops, disdain for women, and questionable mental capacity. The New Yorker, by dislaying this cartoon, joined the ranks of the corporate media who do not report any of the reasons (just the truth will do) not to vote for .McCain.
    Connie Hussein Louis

    • Posted By: jgomez_miranda @ 07/19/2008 6:13:50 PM

      It is offending and condescending to think that only you and the people of your group are intelligent enough to understand a simple carton while the rest of us are too uneducated and uninformed to do it. That is the problem with Barack Obama and most of his supporters they think they are the only owners of the revealed truth and the rest of us have not been illuminated with that wisdom. People feel your superiority complex and this is one of the reasons that Obama is just head to head with McCain in a year that should be a Democratic landslide

      • Posted By: desertgirl @ 07/20/2008 2:11:37 AM

        Okay, now that you've had your two minutes please go sit down and be quiet. Let the "intelligent" people make all the decisions.

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/20/2008 2:43:24 AM

          Are you sure you are not Pia in disguise? LMAO.

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/19/2008 8:42:14 PM

        Well said and right on the money!

        It blows my mind that so many left-leaning bloggers are up in arms about this silly cartoon. Conversely, every conservative person I've spoken with about it immediately recognized it as satire, aimed at us! If anyone should be upset, it is those of us on the conservative side of the isle.

        The left wing's condescending attitude is off the charts on this one.

  • Posted By: BillyC @ 07/19/2008 2:32:43 PM

    OK, now I get it !
    New Yorker front cover satire for Dem / lefties = insulting and in bad taste.
    New Yorker front cover satire fo Rep / righties = Humorous and on point.
    :-)

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/20/2008 2:41:18 AM

      The artist who depicted this satire (say that loosely) will go down in history of the mag as being criticized and heralded for both reasons you state. Either way he has made his mark for sure.

  • Posted By: HouseOfSin @ 07/19/2008 2:47:02 PM

    I have to disagree with your assertion that "the reason Obama is ahead by only a handful of points in a political environment poisonous for Republicans is because of lingering concern over his "exotic" (that's the code word) name and background." There are many reasons why this may be the case. I'm a lifelong, educated, urban Democrat. I'm struggling with my choice this year because I simply do not have faith in Senator Obama. He has spent most of the last 15 years running for the next level office and not much more.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/20/2008 2:38:55 AM

      You and I and many many others are in the same boat. That is for sure.

  • Posted By: ndrick @ 07/20/2008 2:27:53 AM

    More dopey posts about where Obama is from, oh and by the way he is black for the racist posters. McBush needs to take a nap to go on the O'Brien show are you kidding me? Is this guy ready for the home? This election will bring a new start after the nightmare of the last 8 years of Bush and his criminal friends.

  • Posted By: legoo @ 07/19/2008 9:06:02 PM

    i have decided that Clift is stupid, stupid, stupid. She thinks that everyone who hears Obama speak would readily support him and doesn't consider (as most reporters don't) that the fact that people don't support him is b/c they do not believe in his liberal agenda. It not b/c people are shallow or racist as she implies. Obama is the emperor with no clothes who believes in raising taxes in a recession. No one would be elected with this platform except the candidate that makes the conversation about "change" rather than "reality". And we all will be the worse for it. Most european economies are basically socialist so why wouldnt they welcome Obama's election.

    • Posted By: desertgirl @ 07/20/2008 2:17:48 AM

      We are not in a recession (based on the evidence so far). That doesn't mean we couldn't end up in one.

      And for those who study financial history, raising taxes during economic downturns (like recessions) makes things worse AND can even cause or worsen a depression.

  • Posted By: Roameo @ 07/18/2008 7:35:17 PM

    Take Mysty22's comment, which follows this one. She claims, "Obama is Muslim by blood. There is no denying it no matter how hard you all try." What she doesn't understand is that religion can't be passed through blood; it is a conscientious choice. Maybe she further doesn't understand that the word "Muslim" doesn't refer to race, genetics or bloodline, but means "one who believes in and practices the religion of Islam." Once she is educated on these scores, then she might understand the truth: that Obama was never a Muslim. But frankly, I doubt it. I think hate and racism precedes reasoning and powers the creation of rationalization or reason-creating processes, however wildly unrealistic and irrational these manufactured reasons may be. The cartoon is just a cartoon, but will do more to increase the false ideas about Obama than its intended effect of reducing them.

    • Posted By: 2KoolKirk @ 07/19/2008 9:54:25 AM

      It's true that religion is not passed through blood. However, 'choice' is not something I would link to being Muslim. Also, why are those who criticize Islam almost always labelled racists?

      Irrational and unsupportable arguments all over the place.

      The fact that he attended a Madrassa and has Muslim family members provides ample justification for questions to least be asked. The fact that the question are deemed offensive and deflected rather than answered, should be a legitimate concern.

      • Posted By: cencarnacion @ 07/20/2008 2:15:40 AM

        Obama is unelectable. He has a fatwa issued on him.

    • Posted By: desertgirl @ 07/20/2008 1:38:32 AM

      Obama was not raised a Muslim. HOWEVER, in more than one Muslim country, Muslims who convert to another religion run the risk of losing their lives for doing so. A few years ago a story appeared about a man in Afghanistan who converted from Islam to Christianity. A fatwa was issued against him.

  • Posted By: pnkearns @ 07/19/2008 5:13:57 PM

    Interesting...
    The "intelligent" Dem/left elite are too stupid to understand satire. Amazingly enough, not one Dem/left pundit has defended the New Yorker's right to free press.
    Meanwhile, the "stupid uneducated" Rep/right say, "it's just a cartoon. Ignore it".

    • Posted By: desertgirl @ 07/20/2008 2:15:18 AM

      I DO think Obama said something along the lines of free speech/press. About a day AFTER the cartoon broke. I am not an Obama supporter, but I like facts.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/20/2008 2:13:05 AM

    Right on the heals of The New York cover comes the release of a new republican ad:

    ABC NEWS

    OBAMA 8 Min VIDEO: Montage of Contradictory Statements on IRAQ

    Subliminal Messaging, or Over-Active Imaginations?
    July 18, 2008 5:54 PM
    By Rick Klein


    EXCERPT:

    There is a longtime tradition in political advertising to look beyond the message to the subtext -- and even to the subliminal.

    In that spirit, a veteran Democratic operative offers an interesting observation of the newly released anti-Obama Web video produced by the McCain campaign. The VIDEO is an EIGHT-MINUTE montage of sometimes CONTRADICTORY statements about the Iraq war made by Sen. Barack Obama. (Continued in full article link below).


    Warning: Make sure you are sitting down before you watch this video. . .you may become dizzy.

    SEE 8 MINUTE VIDEO: Newly released as Obamas makes his trip overseas.
    http://www.johnmccain.com/videolanding/documentary.htm



    SEE FULL ARTICLE: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/07/subliminal-mess.html



  • Posted By: Mariana S @ 07/18/2008 9:41:35 PM

    What is it with you democrats and your need to be "loved." Here is a newsflash: Merkel likes Bush. Sarkozy likes Bush. Brown is okay with Bush. Canada's PM like's Bush. Poland and Eastern Europe LOVE Bush. The people who "hate" Bush are the socialists and the government tyrants like Chavez, Castro, etc.
    I'm tired of this "the world hates us" narrative. The world doesn't have to love us. We'll save them anyway.

    • Posted By: mrkcswll @ 07/19/2008 3:34:05 PM

      Great comment - I am so sick of the "The world hates us because of Bush" crap which only indicates their failure to appreciate facts.

      • Posted By: desertgirl @ 07/20/2008 1:43:24 AM

        Actually, since the birth of our GREAT nation, other nations (ahem, Europe) have looked down their noses at us BECAUSE of what we represent in the world: That it doesn't matter where you came from, what you believe, what your last name is, what class you came from, that you can be anyone and anything you want if you are willing to work for it. Of course, never mind we saved the world how many times now?

        • Posted By: cencarnacion @ 07/20/2008 2:11:49 AM

          Excellent posts Mariana S. If I may add, the "we have to be loved" Democrat talking point is the precursor to their foreign policy and that is "appeasement". The terrorist states will pretend to "love" us but will kill us when our backs are turned because in their minds we are the Great Satan. Our way of life is unacceptable to them and their religion calls for a jihad against the infidels.

  • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 07/19/2008 10:57:06 AM

    Make this election a referendum onMcSame (McBush) and the GOP (Greedy Oil Party).

    Obama is by far the more talented, and his wife is fabulous - smart, well educated and charming, powerful in her own right and in her own previous career, and a true role-model for girls across this nation - just as Hillary was and still is for many women and girls... The Conservatives picked on Hillary too.

    The image on the New Yorker cartoon has people confused. Americans just don't "get" satire, irony, parody and the rest - not eve Hollywood does a good job in its creative efforts at these conceits. There is just not a good literary or artistic appreciation of these vehicles of expression - it's too complicated. And Elinor is right - many dummies will misinterpret the magazine cover and see it as reinforcement of the image.

    But MOST Americans have a sense of humor and will take a cartoon as just that - satirirical humor... and forget about all the agonizing, hand-wringing, wimpering and maniacal extremists on the Right who are just as potentially damaging to America as the intensity of their patriotic vitriol to the opposite intent!

    • Posted By: desertgirl @ 07/20/2008 2:05:57 AM

      Yeah, he's talented alright. Talented at giving a decent speech. And hey he can even use a teleprompter. And he looks good in a suit. Let's vote him in NOW!

    • Posted By: mrkcswll @ 07/19/2008 2:22:57 PM

      Check out the rest of these posts if you think America will chalk this off.

      • Posted By: mistermcfrugal @ 07/19/2008 4:12:18 PM

        Man, this is what I call wishful thinking!!

  • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 07/19/2008 10:42:20 AM

    Why do all the dumbest people across this country support McSame?

    Why do all the so-called "elites" and educated college grads in the urban centers tend to support Obama?

    Because we are TIRED of being led by MORONs in the White House. THAT's the CHANGE that a new, fresh, SMART and polished communicative leader will bring - INTELLIGENCE and INFLUENCE - to the entire world, not just for the benefit of our countrymen.

    Why is there still such reactionary resistance? Let the good thing happen and stop agonizing over whether or not this candidate is an elitist, an effect intellectual and an "exotic" personage. We need to get the BEST PERSON POSSIBLE into the WHITE HOUSE and this is NOT John McSame. That would be as bad or worse than allowing Mr. Bush Jr. to be "elected" by hook or by CROOK for two terms. We should CRAVE A HUGE CHANGE from this illegal, illicit, CHEATING, LYING WHITE HOUSE and PRESIDENT - and DISTANCE OURSELVES as far as humanly possible from a similar path ni the next four years.

    DO NOT ELECT McSAME, McPAIN, McCAIN'T, McCOMPLAINT, McBubba, McMoron. It would be setting us back another 50 years and putting us on a sure course toward DECLINE. An aging, doddering old man with stale, old ideas backed by a derelict and obsolete GOP and a Trophy Wife who looks like she is a Stepford Robot.... You can't tell me that the majority of Americans will settle for this ultra-cliche of a Presidential candidate, this sheer and utter mediocrity, this lack of innovation, creativity and intelligence???

    Americans are better than that!

    • Posted By: mrkcswll @ 07/19/2008 2:33:51 PM

      Your "elites" and Urban college graduates obviously think they are better than that, but then you guys have your noses so far up in the air you have no idea how real America thinks. You guys went for Kerry big time yet his scholastic record was worse than Bush's. The manner in which you have written your comment betrays the worst kind of bigotry as you call most Americans dumb (far less than 50% are college graduates) while all the while you express support for a guy that if he were white would not be seriously considered for the office by anyone. Dispute that if you like.

      • Posted By: desertgirl @ 07/20/2008 2:04:57 AM

        How educated and intelligent is it to call other people names rather than to argue based on facts and policies? It just makes people who insult others look equally stupid.

  • Posted By: tennismom @ 07/19/2008 9:56:43 AM

    Eleanor - ARE YOU SERIOUS???

    I agree with Mariana. Get a clue. All Barry Obama does is COMPLAIN AND WHINE. Sorry a little satire hurts. Guess it touched a nerve maybe. Maybe because it's too close to the truth. Osama (oops, Obama) has the support of the Palestinians. They obviously want him as President, instead of the patriotic, true-American John McCain. Obama doesn't know what he is, or what he believes in. He will say and do whatever is necessary to get elected. Please, America, wake up before its too late!!!

    • Posted By: desertgirl @ 07/20/2008 2:02:45 AM

      He's a typical politician (or maybe not so typical as he comes from Chicago), what more can anyone ask for? The best way to get the government we want is to throw out all the politicians.

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