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  • Posted By: Hagenow @ 07/19/2008 4:59:29 PM

    Dear theone76, I do know. I went to the opening of the new church in Kona, HI as the town was invited to visit the site. I had to wear plastic bags over my shoes to go in and not dirty the expensive carpet. Looking at the opulence of the place I commented as to why such a place had to be built and I was told that it would be what Jesus would want. Hey whats wrong with a tree and the blue sky above?

    • Posted By: singinasong @ 07/19/2008 11:57:31 PM

      And after the 2 weeks of tours,they change the defiled carpet cause we sinners walked on it.

      • Posted By: AHenrie @ 07/20/2008 12:27:08 PM

        Ha...what madness. They don't change the carpet. Please refrain from telling more lies. For those who have had the opportunity of entering a temple before it is fully dedicated to the Lord and his work, the reason they are so beautifully decorated is because it is the house of the Lord here on the earth. We put the finest craftsmanship and materials into building temples because His house deserves nothing less. He is our Father and we worship and honor him and give him the best of what we have got. It is a sacrifice but the blessings are endless because of it. According to the law of Moses, the ancient Israelites were commanded to sacrifice the firstlings of their flock. Unblemished, and pure, they gave the best of their flocks as a sacrifice to the Lord and we chose to do the same only in a different way.

  • Posted By: a_distinguished_gentleman @ 07/19/2008 6:38:28 PM

    As I tried to read the posts that follow I was astounded at how so many seem to miss the entire point and move directly to their true anti-Mormon agenda. Their are many members of the church that are actors, models, or athletes who expose their bodies in a similar manner. Nothing wrong with that. What is wrong with this calendar is that included next to the picture of the young men posing with their shirts off are these same young men in their missionary clothing, complete with their church-issued nametags. When you serve as a full-time missionary you are representing the church and, more specifically, are acting as a representative of Jesus Christ. No one forces you to go on a mission; it is one's own personal choice. When you make that choice you agree to certain standards. When you violate those standards that you agreed to then you face consequences. I know the rest of the world equates freedom of choice with freedom from responsibility, but that is pure folly.

    The gentleman making the calendar was using the church to promote his calendar. He knew darn well that this was not allowed, but he did so anyway in the name of money. This is no different than if a US Marine, as an example, were to pose in his dress blues along with a similarly sexually provocative photo. The military would discipline him for engaging in conduct unbecoming a Marine. If the producer of this calendar had simply put together a calendar of former LDS missionaries, excluding proprietary missionary photos, no one would have gotten into any trouble, but then again no one would have taken notice of his calendar either, now would they? That is the entire point. He used the church, these missionaries service, their sacred calling, and turned it into a money-making business. That a portion or even all of the money goes to charity is irrelevant. They brought attention to the church, used the church, in a way that is not permitted. They exploited these young men for profit. If you disagree with the rules, join a church whose rules are compatible with your own, or form your own church, if you choose. Don't come into our church and tell me we have to change all of our rules to suit your needs. It does not work that way. When Christ went to the temple and saw the money changers using sacred ground for profit he lost his temper and threw them out. It is the only time in the New Testament that makes a reference to the Savior having lost his temper, in any way, shape, or form. Obviously, He understood the disgrace in disrespecting what is holy. Sadly, most of those posting here cannot. The Savior also compared our bodies to temples. Clearly, if our bodies are temples and if certain behavior in temples is not permitted then there is a nexus between the two. If you cannot see that it is because you are allowing hatred and bigotry to blind you to the truth.

    • Posted By: Barkingkitty @ 07/19/2008 10:25:41 PM

      "I know the rest of the world equates freedom of choice with freedom from responsibility, but that is pure folly. "

      Talk about painting with a broad brush. This is a pretty judgmental statement, and erroneous as wel. What pure folly!

      • Posted By: AHenrie @ 07/20/2008 12:07:32 PM

        How is that a judgmental statement by a distinguished gentleman? It is a simple truth that there are consequences for our actions. People these days would love to do any and every little thing without thinking about the consequences or taking responsibility for them but there are ramifications for the choices we make whether we decide to accept them or not. The standards this young man accepted and agreed to live by initially were known long prior to his excommunication. He simply chose another life path and received what was deemed to be the appropriate response according to his church leaders. He was fully aware of what might come of his actions and now must be responsible and accept the consequences.

  • Posted By: harque @ 07/19/2008 10:29:05 PM

    For a religion that claims we were made in Gods image, these people seem awfully ashamed of the human body

    • Posted By: Jomin @ 07/20/2008 10:30:29 AM

      I think you missed the point. Those models who posed for the calendar did not receive any form of church disciplinary action. The creator of the calendar was excommunication for unknown reasons that were related to his publishing of this calendar.

      However, even if we Ho
      However, even if Mormons "hide" their bodies, there are good scriptural reason - that is to respect the bodies like precious thing.

      Give not that which is holy to the dogs, neither cast ye your pearl before swine. (Matthew 7:6)

      know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God (cor 6:19)

  • Posted By: iafarmgirl @ 07/19/2008 4:30:11 PM

    Who really cares? The calendar is not hurting anyone or anything! If the cult known as the LDS or Mormons are upset, oh well! I don't think these young men will go to hell for this! I personally feel sorry for these boys that have to go on the "mission" for two years. There are two in our small town. You see them walking or riding a bike, regardless of the weather. What is the point of this whole mission thing????

    • Posted By: jennhild1 @ 07/19/2008 4:57:55 PM

      None of these young men or women have to go on a mission. It is ultimately their choice. My brother choose not to go while many of my other friends did choose to go. If you want to know more about why young men and women choose to give years of their life to serving the Lord you can visit lds.org or mormon.org, or better yet you should ask some of them why they did it.

      • Posted By: happytobeme @ 07/20/2008 3:39:35 AM

        I have to disagree with you regarding your comment that male and female missionaries choose whether or not they will go on a misson. In my experience, most LDS families expect that their male children will go on a mission and in fact, they plan for it just as they would plan for their child to go to college. I have known many young men who did not want to go, but did so because of family pressure. The same has been true of many females who were either not married, or 'waiting' for a missionary by the time they were 21 years of age. I should mention that I live in utah and so have been surrounded by LDS people my whole life. Thus, most of my friends and neighbors have been the source of my experience. That is not to say that there are not those who do believe that they should go, still, most do not want to.

      • Posted By: happytobeme @ 07/20/2008 2:53:35 AM

        I have to disagree with you regarding your comment that male and female missionaries choose whether or not they will go on a misson. In my experience, most LDS families expect that their male children will go on a mission and in fact, they plan for it just as they would plan for their child to go to college. I have known many young men who did not want to go, but did so because of family pressure. The same has been true of many females who were either not married, or 'waiting' for a missionary by the time they were 21 years of age. I should mention that I live in utah and so have been surrounded by LDS people my whole life. Thus, most of my friends and neighbors have been the source of my experience. That is not to say that there are not those who do believe that they should go, still, most do not want to.

    • Posted By: jjjacks @ 07/19/2008 4:57:37 PM

      The LDS church cares because it is hurting their reputations and it is advertising the opposite of what they are about. No one forces these boys to go on missions. It is their choice and the only reason why they go is because they want to share the gospel of Jesus Christ with people and they have a beautiful message to share. They pay their own way. If they are going for any other reason, they probably shouldn't go. You should seriously talk to the missionaries. They are awesome people. They are the ones to talk to if you want to know about the LDS church.

  • Posted By: ceefoo @ 07/19/2008 4:00:13 PM

    To "Jessie Smith's" great great whatever....LOL!!! You're TOO TOO funny! Sounds like you've been reading too many Baptist texts!! Ha ha! Thanks for a funny story to tell at Sacrament meeting!! HA ha ha!!!!

    • Posted By: Phyrexius @ 07/20/2008 2:39:40 AM

      HA HA HA you're the retard that doesn't know anything. Look up the name Jessie N. Smith. The church dedicated a statue with him on it as the co-founder of Snowflake AZ and is related to Joseph Smith. Joseph stayed with him and his wives for a short time after being kicked out the house by Joseph Sr. Jessie N. Smith DID have 5 wives and 44 children. I am descendant of his 2nd wife. Learn your own history you fool.....

  • Posted By: justagrl @ 07/19/2008 7:24:38 PM

    i think its funny really..... you actually think that when someone says that your leaders have their heads in unpleasnt places....that they are talking to jesus... thats laughable. please please do some research and read some books not written by your leaders. In order to find real truth one must look arround thoes that would stand in its way. Joseph Smith may have thought that he was a god....and convinced some arround him of that...but seriously you cant be that stupid....can you??? Oh yea and the golden tablets given to him by god, hidden in the black hills.... and your own universe.... yea ok.
    throughout history and even today religion has been directly responsible for or related to the massacures of thousands and the brain washing of so many more. the crusades, the reformation, hitlers rampages, musselini, stalin, the persecution of the jews, the conflict that has ravaged the middle east, the genocide throughout africa. St. Peters square was built upon the blood of hundreds of people. I could go on and on ....my point is thoes in power want to stay in power. It is disgusting in my personal oppinion that you could equate Jesus christ with yours or any other self proclaimed religious sect. theres a book you should read.. called " The God Makers" your church leader probably wont approve... but you will find yourself considerably more enlightened. Then research the Vattican1 or the Council of Trent or pope innocent the 3rd.........................yes i know their not morman...not my point... don't blindly accept every word of thoes on power.rather.... question and challenge every one!

    as far as these guys are concerned.... seriously.... who cares there are so many more important things going on in our world today. why don't all of you people care about all the children dying half a world away or the precious little girls getting raped every day in dafur. there are about a million more imporntant issues than a couple of guys with their shirts off. open your eyes, care about things that matter ...thats the "christian" thing to do.

    • Posted By: a_distinguished_gentleman @ 07/19/2008 7:59:32 PM

      ???please please do some research and read some books not written by your leaders. In order to find real truth one must look arround thoes that would stand in its way. ???

      By your logic, I suppose, we should ask Muslims what Catholics believe? Catholics what Mormons believe? Mormons what Baptists believe? And maybe Barack Obama what Madonna believes? And so on.

      Let???s review your expertise on just a few of your self-proclaimed ???truths??? about Mormons:

      ???Joseph Smith may have thought that he was a god... and convinced some arround him of that....???

      The LDS faithful believe he was a prophet, not a God.

      ???Oh yea and the golden tablets given to him by god, hidden in the black hills???

      Actually, the Mormon faithful believe they were given to Joseph Smith by an Angel of God, not God.

      ???but seriously you cant be that stupid....can you??????

      Your last comment speaks for itself. Apparently, you can be and are, given the erroneous information you spouted above.

      • Posted By: mollikins @ 07/19/2008 11:51:09 PM

        Mormons believe that a prophet (ie.Josheph Smith) is the literal mouthpiece of god...so what's the diff? Prophet or god, it's pretty much the same thing. When Joseph Smith acted as head of the church he acted in god's name..he represented god...ergo, he was god.

        • Posted By: AHenrie @ 07/20/2008 2:20:19 AM

          Ergo...he wasn't God. It is in no way the same thing. God is a distinct being, the father of all mankind. I believe Joseph Smith to be a prophet but in no way is he God. Even as a prophet he was a man like you or me and was a imperfect being. This is nowhere near God as God is a perfect, exalted being. Please refrain from telling members of one church what it is they believe when we know full well the truth.

        • Posted By: nkhm @ 07/20/2008 12:52:16 AM

          Doesn't the Pope speak for God to the Catholics?? Or is he just telling the congregation what he "hopes" god wants for his flock. There is a difference between speaking for God and actually claiming to be God

    • Posted By: AHenrie @ 07/19/2008 9:36:14 PM

      If you insist on using "The Godmakers" as a source for your criticism of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, then perhaps you should read what members of the Chrisitian(not just Mormon)community have said regarding that film. It has been widely condemned for being untruthful and misleading by the National Conference of Christians and Jews and the Anti Defamation League. Rhonda M. Abrams who is the Regional Director of the Anti Defamation League of the B???nai B???rith said "I sincerely hope that people of all faiths will similarly repudiate ???The Godmakers??? as defamatory and untrue, and recognize it for what it truly represents- a challenge to the religious liberty of all."

      My intent in posting here is not to make people believe what it is that I believe. I only expect academic and intellectual honesty out of those who choose to criticise the religious tenants that I hold to, this being totally absent from the comment above. You ask "Who cares?" and say that "there are so many more important things going on in our world today." Well, I care. I care about my religion and my God and making sure that the TRUTH is told. That is the "Christian" thing to do.

    • Posted By: AHenrie @ 07/19/2008 9:33:38 PM

      I am baffled at the blatant ingnorance and historical inaccuracies within this comment. Perhaps, madam, you should delve further into history and into books which reflects facts and opinions that may be different from yours. Jospeh Smith NEVER considered himself a god in this life and neither did those "stupid" people who followed him. He only taught the truth that one day man may become LIKE God. As his spiritual offspring on this earth, each one of us has the divine potential within to one day return to his presence and become like him. Never superceeding him in power or authority(He is our one and only God that we worship), we may one day return to his presence to become like him, living with him throughout the eternities. Also, in all my years of studying, and as a "Mormon" myself, I have never heard of the "Black Hills." Perhaps you are speaking in reference to the Hill Cumorah in Palmyra, NY where the sacred plates which Joseph Smith received were hidden. Perhaps, mistakenly, you innocently confused Palmyra, New York with Black Hills, South Dakota. I do not know. Please do more research next time.

      I am also confused as to how you can claim that Stalin used religion to brain wash and massacre. In fact, it was the other way around. Stalin, an atheist, was responsibe for the persecution of the Russian Orthodox Church and its priests and members. For a time, he executed their leaders and or sent them to labor camps in order to repress religion under his rule. Perhaps your future studies should include the history of communism as well. Mussolini himself was not a religious man but feigned devotion to the Roman Catholic Church. He recognized that he could either continually fight with them or work together with them and obviously chose the latter, eventually baptizing his children in the church and conducting his civil marriage their as well. He, however, did not like the church or the power it possessed. Many of his policies fell in line with church doctrine at the time but he also received condemnation from the Roman Catholic Church for many others including his policies and treatment regarding Jews.


    • Posted By: justmeinaz @ 07/19/2008 7:32:25 PM

      I agree with you. People need to look around them and realize that many of these issues are created and then blown up for some agenda. There are several situations in the world which much more deserve attention.

  • Posted By: jenfar595 @ 07/19/2008 2:27:22 PM

    Why does the calendar have to connect his religious beliefs with him posing half dressed? I mean wouldn't folks think it a bit weird if next to a woman nude in Playboy there was a photo of her in a nun outfit? I mean seriously, I don't get the connection. He stated that he wanted people to know that Mormons were just ordinary people too or whatever. Well, most "ordinary" people don't desire to pose half dressed for calendars - especially those active in their religion UNLESS there is a serious payoff. I think the bottom line is DOLLARS. Let's just put it out there for what it is. Nothing is sacred in this country (or most others) if the bottom line is money.

    • Posted By: visaluswoman @ 07/19/2008 3:11:49 PM

      when a man chooses to serve God with all his Heart, might, mind, and soul, and to represent that image by his attire to represent his church that he knows requires a clean image for the message they share, then to put that side by side with an image that has nothing to do with their previous committments, SENDS A LOUD MESSAGE.... i LOVE MYSELF MORE THAN MY MAKER OR HIS TEACHINGS. I am an actress and model, and have dealt with the LA and vegas lifestyle for 10 years. I have not succumbed to the belief system that you can have your standards and casually dump them for twisted fun. Church Leaders know this is the first step to apostasy and have great heartache when they see it. We are definitely in a sifting process.

      • Posted By: Twister52 @ 07/20/2008 2:19:33 AM

        I wholeheartedly agree. I seriously, seriously wonder if we will not (temporarily) lose possibly millions of LDS members. When Joseph and the Saints were in Kirtland, Ohio Joseph lost about a third of the members due to the failed bank the Church leaders established. Joseph begged and pleaded with the people not to leave, but everyone has the right to use their freeodom as they choose.

        BTW, you are to commended for your faithfulness in maintaing your high standards. God bless!

  • Posted By: GoGators#1 @ 07/19/2008 2:16:52 PM

    This is an example of what happens when you have twisted true Christianity into what you as Mormons call it.

    • Posted By: katcelata @ 07/19/2008 2:35:51 PM

      I feel this is unfair- if you spend some time with LDS families, you can't criticize their values and common sense. Please don't mistake LDS teachings for the offshoots in the news that are not recognized or supported by the church. I am not LDS, and I am a very critical person, but I have found love, neighboring and good common sense values in my LDS neighbors.

      • Posted By: Twister52 @ 07/20/2008 1:59:04 AM

        Thank you very much for your kind acceptance of your LDS friends.

  • Posted By: NotSoBigMac @ 07/19/2008 12:25:44 AM

    This is not a cut and dried case. We only know about this, because Hardy went to the press, and he, of course, wants to come across as the wounded party. The Church won't discuss publicly what was the real reason for wanting him to meet with his priesthood leaders. So I think he's just looking to make a buck, and the press, hungry for any juicy tidbit after Romney campaign and the Texas sect (who are not Mormons) debacle.

    • Posted By: TONCE @ 07/19/2008 2:52:52 PM

      amen...this ongoing anti mormon exposure this year is simply not too healthy for the image

      • Posted By: Twister52 @ 07/20/2008 1:56:04 AM

        Re: negative attention. That's OK, the persecution just leads to a greater understanding of the Lord's restored Gospel for those who really want to know. If people want to scoff at us, that's their choice. If they want to really learn more about us and what we stand for and why, they will.

        Like the stone cut our of a mountain without hands, the Gospel will roll forth.

  • Posted By: petespirate @ 07/20/2008 12:37:02 AM

    Glad he got excommunicated now maybe he has a chance at meeting Jesus! My prayer is that You Mormons find the Truth and not listen to some made up crap from Joseph Smith,and your Bishops that brainwash you into "thinking" their way. If you all would stop a minute and look at all the contradictions going on maybe you smart ones could get out of that cult you are in, and find The True Lord, the one that lives in the only Heaven there is, kinda hard splitting him into three levels isn't it????

    • Posted By: asberry080808 @ 07/20/2008 1:54:21 AM

      I second that!! Congratulations to him on being excommunicated....now he has a chance at salvation!

  • Posted By: Jaray24 @ 07/19/2008 6:26:27 PM

    Newsweeks is dumb in publishing this. They guy was excommunicated for the church records for more than just this. As it said he hadn't been practicing their faith for over 6 years, why should they keep him on their records. The LDS Church is one that keeps very detailed records and I'm sure the decesion to have his name removed was his not the church's. This is just a way to go after another religion and make it look bad. Not everyone worships, and believes in the same way, get use to it and accept it.

    • Posted By: mollikins @ 07/19/2008 11:58:24 PM

      I think it's interesting that I know of people who have no affinity with the mormon church who are continually contacted because they once belonged to it. I know of no other religion that would follow you from community to community and contact you because you once became a member of their congregation. One man I know had to threaten to sue the church to get them to take his name off the records and stop harrassing him. It seems excessive that you have to ask NOT to be bothered when you move. It's sort of like stalking.

      • Posted By: Jaray24 @ 07/20/2008 1:54:12 AM

        Yes from what I understand, you have to ask in writing that your name be removed from the records. But it doens't mean that everyone can't still be freindly, as long as that isn't as you say "stalking" because that can get scary.

  • Posted By: asberry99 @ 07/20/2008 1:51:52 AM

    LDS is a cult!!! Knowing the truth about what lies beneath is the scariest thing I've ever uncovered. Looks great from the outside...and I'm not just talking about the calendar pics--family, church, God---but CRAZY all over the place...become a God one day of your own planet, Holy underwear, the list goes on and on. Beware of what appears holy and righteous from the outside but is dead and corrupt from the inside!!!

  • Posted By: Jaray24 @ 07/19/2008 8:45:56 PM

    The LDS Chruch should sue for damages. He is using one of the imanges, "missionaries" to make a profit. That is the whole point here. Its not a religion thing, it would be the same if it was the Catholic churches nun's in bikini's and a their nun picture next to it. Mr. Hardy is making money off of another organizations image. All this anti religion, morman, stuff is out of line. People should be able to worship how they want when they want with out others judging them. And if they ask you to join them just say, "thank you for the invite but I am not interested". It works great everytime.

    • Posted By: Aeddon's mom @ 07/19/2008 9:39:52 PM

      Can't sue for damages as your missionaries "images" aren't copyrighted or trademarked and couldn't be as they look like many businessmen in the US . So nothing but your emotions have been infringed upon.

      Sorry.

      • Posted By: Jaray24 @ 07/20/2008 1:51:37 AM

        1st thing, they aren't my missionaires. I don't have any. 2nd the pictures of them as missionaries, is in the calander with their other picture. In those pictures they are representing the church, as in any job in America, lets say a police officer, if they are doing this with a picture of their uniform and don't have the City/State's consent they will be disiplined if not fired. Same here, everyone is just trying to drag this LDS religion through the mud. I've heard a lot about this religion and I just don't understand why people aren't tollerant of it? Just accept the fact others believe differently than you.

    • Posted By: AHenrie @ 07/19/2008 11:55:02 PM

      Sue? And get what? 10,000 copies of a calendar with half dressed missionaries...maybe the profit from those sales? Not worth it. This will pass as will the interest in such calendars.

  • Posted By: asberry99 @ 07/20/2008 1:51:14 AM

    LDS is a cult!!! Knowing the truth about what lies beneath is the scariest thing I've ever uncovered. Looks great from the outside...and I'm not just talking about the calendar pics--family, church, God---but CRAZY all over the place...become a God one day of your own planet, Holy underwear, the list goes on and on. Beware of what appears holy and righteous from the outside but is dead and corrupt from the inside!!!

  • Posted By: gerbera @ 07/20/2008 1:50:09 AM

    Hardy did NOT ge excommunicated "just" for publishing the calendar, not going to church, or not paying tithing. He was excommunicated because he is a practicing gay. The author of this article should really get his facts straight. The only reason this story made the news is because Hardy is trying to promote his 2009 calendar...the more publicity the better for his profit margin...how else do you think this story got to be so big! By the way I am mormon and proud to be part of a religion that does not spend time preaching/teaching me to be anti towards other religions but instead encourages us to be accepting of everyone and to be an upstanding responsible and productive member of society. Also this mormon thinks the naked human body is beautiful and sex (within a marriage) is great!!!

  • Posted By: velihall @ 07/20/2008 1:31:21 AM

    This is a sad example of someone who does not understand missionary work in the LDS Church, nor the message that these young men bring. Mr. Hardy and the former missionaries that posed for this calendar, and that undoubtedbly will for future calendars, have chosen to accept and promulgate a message that is not inspired by a loving Heavenly Father. They have bought into the worldly notion that a "sexy" body is of great worth.

    God has told us for centuries through his prophets that marriage vows are important and that chastity matters. These pictures promote neither and certainly do not help anyone "come unto Christ." They will certainly add flames to the addictions of a few, will incite some lust in others, will increase harrassment of other missionaries who do understand the message they carry and are dedicated to it, and will certainly bring money to Mr. Hardy and his subjects - as well as fuel the pride of both Mr. Hardy and each of his subjects.

    I wish everyone the best in sorting out the ramifications of these actions. Mr. Hardy knows that the Church will not discuss disciplinary councils, so he knows that publicly he gets a free pass to say whatever he wants. I hope that as you consider what information to trust as you read this article and the many others that will spawn from this event.

  • Posted By: nomoreblindfaith @ 07/19/2008 9:27:17 PM

    These comments make me proud to be an athiest!

    • Posted By: paladin7 @ 07/20/2008 1:09:16 AM

      Thank a Chrsitian for your theology. You see, If it were not for Jesus you wouldn't have anyone not to believe in.

  • Posted By: harque @ 07/19/2008 10:28:13 PM

    For a religion that claims we were made in God's image, these people are awfully ashamed of the human body...

    • Posted By: paladin7 @ 07/20/2008 1:03:49 AM

      Perhpas resepctful would be a better wchoice of words. Nonetheless the wasy I read the Bilbe it says that in this day men will call good evil and evil good. WE see a lot of folks letting the word into their heart and believing that great whore of the earth rather than keeping Christ and orthodox cristianity. They seem to think that this day and age is a time for a new and imporved cristianity; more flexible, etc. What a crock. Jesus was perfect and he did it right the first time . There is no need for change and anyone who thinks that the change of orthodox doctrine and tenants is good is on a slipperly slope. And don't spout back t with chages that do not change substance or that are part of prophecy long fortold. That would make you look like an ignoramous.ter Your Comment

  • Posted By: paladin7 @ 07/20/2008 12:50:25 AM

    I was thinking about doing a calender project called "alter boys are studs. it will cronical theirre faith and their service in the church as well as sensual topless picturres. My next project will be nuns weqraing almost nothing. it will aslso fuse the church , faith, and and sexuality of nuns and alterboys. I think any one who is not an ignoramous will see that the totality of fusing of these things is the problem. Oh, how about pa provacative popes calender too? I was a I think any church leadership with a brain and a moral compass would be unhappy with the fusing of the sexuality, church service, respectful callings in the church, etc. Look at the totatllity of cicumstances here and get over your mormon hating. .

  • Posted By: Ayrich @ 07/19/2008 11:47:07 PM

    Wow "an eternity in hell" sounds like you got a loving god there. What religion are you? I'd like to join so I can go to hell too. It must be nice in hell cause the company is bound to be good as it seems to include everyone according to one religion or the other.
    Or could it be that God has better judgement than us and none of us know his mind..

    • Posted By: Presbyterian1978 @ 07/19/2008 11:51:10 PM

      no if u accept the lord jesus as ur lord and saviour and belive he died on the cross to forgive mankind of there sins then you will goto heaven.if u dont belive that then u will goto hell

      • Posted By: Ayrich @ 07/19/2008 11:59:32 PM

        Is Jesus going to lie to god about my sins? because many of the things I am are because of my expieriences both good and bad. Either I ill become less than I am or else my sins will stay with me and god will just ignore them.
        God knows me and all I have done regardless of earthly religious garbage

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