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  • Posted By: weniki @ 07/19/2008 7:54:37 PM

    You Mormons are a little ridiculous. A member can make a calendar with shirtless men and get excommunicated, but Bill Marriott can peddle hard-core porn in his hotel rooms without getting excommunicated. That makes a lot of sense. By the way, there is nothing wrong with the human body and sex. It is natural and beautiful.

  • Posted By: helloitsme @ 07/19/2008 3:24:37 PM

    It is easy to criticize anyone who does not believe the way you do. I have read nearly all the comments so far. As a member of the LDS church, I hold sacred the doctrines and the beliefs. I don't criticize other religions for what they believe. It is difficult for me to understand how some can be so critical and judgemental, but on the other hand, I recognize your right to believe as you wish. We all have our agency. As for Mr. Hardy, understanding the excommunication process in the LDS church, his excommunication is for him, his local leaders and the Lord. He will in time receive his "reward" that he has earned when he goes to "his maker".

    • Posted By: yourface @ 07/19/2008 3:48:26 PM

      well, i believe LDS faith hurts people and communities just like you speak bad of saten so i think you should be called out for what you are....

      • Posted By: homieDclown @ 07/19/2008 6:45:50 PM

        I think you should be called out for what you are; a loud mouth who would rather talk trash on another religion then study out his/her own beliefs. and Saten is spelled Satan.

        • Posted By: yourface @ 07/19/2008 7:53:48 PM

          also, you can't start a sentance with "and"... as long as we're correcting each others english...

        • Posted By: yourface @ 07/19/2008 7:51:22 PM

          i don't care how you spell satan i don't even believe in that crap, and this is a discussion board the point is to talk... i just don't think you guys can take the heat... ow... thats a burn right there... and the mormon faith is still wrong

  • Posted By: mormonman @ 07/19/2008 2:53:25 PM

    How do you consider us misguided? because we don't the same way you do

    • Posted By: yourface @ 07/19/2008 3:04:00 PM

      no, your misguided because your religion is *** up and prejudice, not that i expect you to understand that, but understand i was apart of your community, i've read your books and heard your stories; so don't play me like i don't know what it's all about. your religion is a fraud. yeah, i said it. a true understanding of god means unconditional love and mormons have many conditions to being in their little club. mormons do not know the true god

      • Posted By: homieDclown @ 07/19/2008 6:56:05 PM

        sounds to me like your bitter because you couldn't live up to the standards. so instead of admitting YOUR shortcoming you would rather blame the church. you say the LDS church is prejudice; well, I have read your many comments and I have to tell you that you sound pretty dang sexist towards men. whats the deal? do you have penis envy or something?

        • Posted By: yourface @ 07/19/2008 7:40:25 PM

          when do i even bring up anyone's sex? you people thing you are so smart and you're just showing me.... your freaking crackin me up....

      • Posted By: Eternal Happiness @ 07/19/2008 3:33:27 PM

        Such a sad, sad spirit... you can get help for your unhappiness, you know...

      • Posted By: inthemiddleoftheroad @ 07/19/2008 3:30:58 PM

        Yeah, you totally sound like you have unconditional love, with the language and degrading comments you make.

  • Posted By: bchambers @ 07/19/2008 7:17:12 PM

    As a member of the LDS church who has no personal knowledge of Mr. Hardy, anyone who posed for his calendar, or the church disciplinary council that purportedly excommunicated him, there are a few things that non-LDS community should probably know to make sense of this article.
    First, church disciplinary councils are conducted at the local level by a member???s local ecclesiastical leaders. Their purpose is to help members repent of misdeeds or misconduct and return to full fellowship in the church. Excommunication, which is removal of a person from church membership, is the most serious sanction that can come from these councils. In all but rare circumstances, these councils are confidential. Thus, the ecclesiastical leaders who conduct these councils are unlikely to explain what action if any was taken or why a particular action was taken. This, however, does not stop a person who has been excommunicated from reporting the outcome of the disciplinary council or from stating why he has been discipline nor does it stop him from making up a reason for excommunication in order to hide the real reason. Failure to pay tithes or attend church will not result in any form of church discipline and would not result in a disciplinary council in the first place. Hardy???s claim that his excommunication was because of ???personal conduct issues??? may mean that there was something else going on besides the calendar. It???s probably not fair to speculate, but we are only hearing Hardy???s side of the story and Hardy is an entrepreneur with an economic incentive to sell his merchandise. No doubt Hardy stands to earn a lot of money with the media exposure he has sought since his apparent excommunication even if he gives some portion of it to charity.
    [Please see my next post for a few other points]

    • Posted By: bchambers @ 07/19/2008 7:21:40 PM

      Second, the reason the calendar is offensive to many in the LDS community has nothing to do about seeing men with their shirts off. The offensive part is that Hardy is willing to use the missionary theme to sell the calendars. Mormon missionaries are called to dedicate two years of their lives to serve the Lord. They are to do the Lord???s work and not their own. They receive no pay for this work. In fact, they, their families, and their local congregations financially support them on their missions. Missionary work is about service to God, not about self-aggrandizement. It is all about God. It is not about any individual missionary. Indeed, missionaries must forget themselves in the service of God if they are to be effective at all. Thus, when some former missionaries get out their old missionary name tags and put on their white shirts and ties in order to make a fast buck, we feel that they are trivializing the sacred calling they once held. I suspect that profiteering off of God, is offensive to more than just those of us in the LDS community.
      Finally, many of the postings to this article debate whether or not the LDS church is true. Although you can definitely put me in the believers column, the debate here really does not hinge on whether the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true. It is really about whether or not an association, whether it be a religious, fraternal, or professional organization, has the ability to remove from their rosters those who will not abide the groups???s principles.
      I hope that Mr. Hardy is able to reconcile his differences with the LDS church and return to full fellowship in the church, but that is his choice and he is free to do as he pleases. He may decide to change his life to come back to the church, but it would be unreasonable for him to expect the church to change just to accommodate him.

      • Posted By: mjc1925 @ 07/19/2008 7:28:33 PM

        Well said. As a former missionary, and the parent of a young man serving in a foreign land, I am astounded that these young elders would put themselves in such a position. It is easy enough to put aside "the world" when wearing the mantle of missionary service. The real test comes when one is back in "the world" and tempted to forget the principles he/she once taught. Unfortunately, there are many out there, such as Mr. Hardy, who prey on the weaknesses of others.

  • Posted By: Jacobymonfrain @ 07/19/2008 5:50:55 PM

    I served an LDS mission in 89-91. I taught free agency as the greatest gift of God. Satans plan was to remove all free agency. It has become apparent to me that the churches plan of salvation as executed by Mormon General Authorities more closely correlates to Satans plan than the literal teachings of Jesus.
    FREEDOM!

    • Posted By: limbo @ 07/19/2008 6:00:38 PM

      your comment is ridiculous. the church hasn't taken away agency, just enforced consequences. if he really wanted to be associated with the church he would have been a faithful, attending member.

      • Posted By: Jacobymonfrain @ 07/19/2008 6:10:44 PM

        Enforced what consequences? They originated the consequences. What part of the first principles and ordinances of the gospel, or articles of faith were tread upon by this individual? Judge righteous judgment.

        • Posted By: lightunderabushel @ 07/19/2008 7:21:43 PM

          I think you are ridiculous, one would think that you actually learned something on your mission, GROW UP!

  • Posted By: bchambers @ 07/19/2008 7:19:05 PM

    Second, the reason the calendar is offensive to many in the LDS community has nothing to do about seeing men with their shirts off. The offensive part is that Hardy is willing to use the missionary theme to sell the calendars. Mormon missionaries are called to dedicate two years of their lives to serve the Lord. They are to do the Lord???s work and not their own. They receive no pay for this work. In fact, they, their families, and their local congregations financially support them on their missions. Missionary work is about service to God, not about self-aggrandizement. It is all about God. It is not about any individual missionary. Indeed, missionaries must forget themselves in the service of God if they are to be effective at all. Thus, when some former missionaries get out their old missionary name tags and put on their white shirts and ties in order to make a fast buck, we feel that they are trivializing the sacred calling they once held. I suspect that profiteering off of God, is offensive to more than just those of us in the LDS community.
    Finally, many of the postings to this article debate whether or not the LDS church is true. Although you can definitely put me in the believers column, the debate here really does not hinge on whether the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true. It is really about whether or not an association, whether it be a religious, fraternal, or professional organization, has the ability to remove from their rosters those who will not abide the groups???s principles.
    I hope that Mr. Hardy is able to reconcile his differences with the LDS church and return to full fellowship in the church, but that is his choice and he is free to do as he pleases. He may decide to change his life to come back to the church, but it would be unreasonable for him to expect the church to change just to accommodate him.

  • Posted By: tvaron87 @ 07/19/2008 7:15:10 PM

    First of all as a note to the editor; There is absolutely no "required" underwear for members of the Mormon faith. Second the guy was excommunicated because he deliberately went against his church leaders counsels. If he doesn't want to believe his church leaders then it would be a bit hard to believe in the church itself. And on top of that, it just makes a bad image of the church. If you believe in God, (I personally do) I really doubt that He would have approved a calendar depicting Jesus Christ and the Twelve Apostles taking off the old robes to show off their sexy abs.

  • Posted By: mjc1925 @ 07/19/2008 7:13:55 PM

    What's the big deal? This Chad person is trying to make a buck. Good for him. But it is BAD of him to try to do so by exploiting the naive, and then claiming the Church wronged HIM. His excommunication was most likely just, and more than likely had less to do with his publishing of his calendar than with his own behavior as regards his Church membership. If he admittedly left the Church of his own accord 6 years ago, then why the big deal over formal excommunication? The answer,sour grapes. AND the opportunity to make a good deal more money. That is certainly his right...nothing wrong with making money in our capitalistic society. Why blame Chad for the naivite and/or greediness of the boys who posed? Yes they should have and most probably DID know better. Still, Chad, a sophisticated businessman, living in unarguably one of the most sin filled cities took advantage of them. There are and will always be in this world, those who can spot the weaknesses of others and will "move in for the kill". The issue is not that the young men in question posed sans shirts, it is that they were represented in a manner that is at odds with the way they are expected to live their lives and in which they have taught others. If they truly understood this at the time they posed for the photos, shame on them., If not, MORE shame on Chad for taking advantage of them

  • Posted By: rachaelreed @ 07/19/2008 2:12:33 PM

    the calendar was just a justification for the excommunication. He has been an inactive member for six years.... that in itself is no reason for excommunication. I have seen men admit publiclly to adultry and they were not excommunicated..... it just boils down to an inactive member not paying tithe

    • Posted By: lightunderabushel @ 07/19/2008 7:11:09 PM

      do you seriously know what you are talking about???? you don't get excommunicated for NOT paying tithing...that is purely voluntary...if it were the case...half the mormon church would be excommunicated!

  • Posted By: jjsand @ 07/19/2008 7:10:33 PM

    I think the pictures are not right even through it may be of a Morman man or not look at the eye's of them they are very enticing to try to get a women to think impure thought's of having sex with them. God say's that we are to keep pourselves pure till marriage.So wake up people and see what the calendar is really saying.
    posted by jjsand

  • Posted By: lizi3eth @ 07/19/2008 7:07:55 PM

    The discussion I have found through this article has been a reflection of what I have seen in the world to date. Both sides have debased themselves with name calling and judgements, to which end it would seem that both sides are as guilty and imperfect as those whom which they judge. The bigger issue here is the lack of education that our country and world suffers with. Not only the education of the religious views of others, but also simple grammatical english. I am an atheist but believe in living a just and virtuous life. That does not mean that I am not tolerant of those who are religious even if they are not tolerant of me. Tolerance does not have to mean acceptance, it can be as simple as a mindset of respecting one anothers opinions and discussing those opinions without name calling and judgement. Although the calendar is not seen to most of the world as anything close to pornographic, the question is why are the pictures of the men without their shirts on even in the calendar? Why cant the calendar only contain their missionary dress? Because the calendar wouldn't sell. So although I am a very open and tolerant person, I do believe that this calendar crosses the line to what is appropriate for religious association. We have all seen people without their shirts on, but would that be appropriate for a lawyer in court? Or a policmen who is arresting you? It isn't even appropriate to enter a restaurant at the beach. The calendar is fine in inherently but to use the religious affiliation seems to be inappropriate. Some choose to be held to a higher standard, such as the members of LDS, and this choice is an individual one. To ask to be held to this decision is only a question of following your beliefs and decision.

  • Posted By: lightunderabushel @ 07/19/2008 6:57:30 PM

    I think Chad Hardy is using the mormon church to make money!!! lots of it!!! who is he trying to kid?... the article says a small!! percentage of profits goes to a charity of the duped returned missionaries choice...I want to know...exactly how small a percentage??? while we are asking this question...maybe we should remember that the mormon church has a big charitable relief program!...who did the other churches and
    organizations turn to during times of crisis...eg KATRINA?? the mormon church opened thier storehouses and emptied them to help those that needed it! thier welfare relief isnt restricted to the USA, they have a global relief program.....so to say that Chad and his group were doing some of this for charity??? give me a
    break. Another thing, Chad says, he is trying to help the churches image? The Mormons need help with thier image? and to help them by putting them in a light that is contrary to thier teaching? by someone who has not attended church and has basically turned his back on his religion, despite being a 6th generation mormon?.....yeah riggggghhhht!.....How fortunate that news of his excommunication has made its way into the media...just in time for the next installment of messed up returned missionaries doing something that is the total oppsite of what they have been teaching for 2 years calendar to come out! Stop lying to yourself and the public Chad, shame on you and your simpe minded cohorts who are posing in your calendars.

  • Posted By: Cheshirekitty @ 07/19/2008 6:45:21 PM

    If it were "women on a mission"-Girls in bikinis, I bet it wouldn't have been such a big deal. Weren't they polygamists at some point?

    • Posted By: a_distinguished_gentleman @ 07/19/2008 6:56:01 PM

      I see you subscribe to the "Huckabee" technique in criticizing the faith of others. Make a remark and then ask a question that you know the answer to to imply something negative. Just as the former governor asked the question about Mormons to try and gain an advantage over his superior opponent, former Governor Romney: "Don't they believe that Chrust and Satan are brothers?" Then he feigned innocence. We then find out that in the early 90's he participated in a Baptist conference in Salt Lake City, was a keynote speaker at the conference, a conference where anti-Mormon literature was passed out to the masses making the exact same proclamation he posed as a question, presumably, out of ignorance and a desire to learn. Your bigotry and hatred is rather easy to spot and is rather pathetic.

  • Posted By: razrsdge @ 07/19/2008 5:26:42 PM

    it's funny in the first issue my lil cousin James Logan was in it. I saw nothing offensive in it at all but it did give me something to give him a ribbing about. As a babtised mormon myself i think it is funny and a great way to let others see we are not so differeent from others as well as to help to raise funds to charities.
    BUT i do see the churches reaction to this as reactionary and extremely stupid. No one has done anythign wrong and the starter of this calander should be appladed not shot down for doing something that gets the peoples attention!! I hope that they get the new calender out soon as i am sure i know guite a few ladies my own grandmother as well who will buy it and smile as she changes from month to month.
    Use your heads people there is nothing wrong with what is being seen here other than some OLD MEN are mad because they are too old and saggy to be featured in it!!!
    Sam Brown Hailey Idaho

    • Posted By: foldart @ 07/19/2008 6:55:42 PM

      Sam, before you make a comment you should make sure you know all of the facts. Obviously from this story this young man was not an active member of the church. The story stated that he had not even attended in 6 years. You do not have any idea what was said or done in the church council. My guess was that he didn't want to live up to the covenants you agree to at baptism and so they allowed him to live his life and not be expected to live to that standard.

    • Posted By: homieDclown @ 07/19/2008 6:24:01 PM

      First of all, the guy who got excommunicated did more than just this calendar to get excommunicated. Second, you sound like a 5 year old when you say that we need to "get peoples attention" , negative attention is not desirable. Sounds to me like you either don't pay attention at church or you just don't go

  • Posted By: beelt @ 07/19/2008 6:50:44 PM

    SNORT SNORT! You religious fanatics are hysterical. We are ALL sexual beings and there is nothing obscene, or vulgar about the human body. This gentlemen happens to be a bit more attractive that most and GOOD FOR HIM! It is HIS body and he has the right to do what ever he wants with it.

  • Posted By: candymantempting @ 07/19/2008 5:49:19 PM

    I am a returned missionary and to me it is very sad that certain Elders would ever consider posing for this Hardy. It goes against the teachings of the Church, and all of us who are LDS wonder how someone straight off their mission could be so blind to this carnal trap. Not only does it hurt them spiritually, it hurts the image of the Lord's Church, all the current missions and missionaries, and countless others who will be lead astray into worse forms of pornography due to these "mild" pictures. There is simply no justifying it. I stand behind the decision of the area authorities that chose excommunication for Hardy. They were inspired to do so, and unfortunately it appears Hardy hasn't figured it out just yet what he has done, and how serious it really is. Hardy is listening to how the world feels about this matter and he has closed his ears to the spirirt of the Lord. He will have his reward. Such a sad and unfortunate loss. RM-Ecuador-Quito 1998-2000 LYTLE

    • Posted By: dreese3 @ 07/19/2008 6:49:41 PM

      Thanks for your commerts, RM Ecuador-Quito. Your were right on. I don't belieive Hardy was excommunicated just for this. If you read his story, those who are members of the Church will sense another message, not given in the story. I doubt if the Lord Jesus Christ would pose in photos like this. Returned missionaries should know better. It is the Gosple of Jesus Christ than change individuals and nations. There is no other way for peace. Perhaps the young man didn't understand that the pictures would be a form of exploitation, and would not be good for the Church. I am sure he wishes he had not done this. After the fact, the Lord Jesus Christ, through His atonement and sacrifice, can change our dispositions ahd hearts. He was the only perfect one. May all "come unto Him and be perfected in Him."

  • Posted By: candymantempting @ 07/19/2008 6:48:58 PM

    It appears (and this really is nothing new to those paying attention) that many individuals that call themselves "Christians" today have somehow become convinced that Jesus Christ set no standard, and that whatever a person does is really of no consequence because the Lord loves and forgives all men and women. If that were the truth, why did the Lord ever bother giving any commandments to His followers? Many people today are uttering the age old phrase "Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die." The world does not know the true and living God. It constantly (as shown in many of these posts) rejects anything that sets a standard; it rejects any commandment that is contrary to a person's so-called freedom of expression. Be weary therefore when some demand public tolerance for whatever their private indulgences are.

  • Posted By: BIGDUCKFAN @ 07/19/2008 3:05:05 PM

    KARMAGRAN: MORMONS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BEFORE YOU SAY IT.

    • Posted By: inthemiddleoftheroad @ 07/19/2008 3:36:19 PM

      Mormons ARE Christians, know what you are saying before you say it.

      • Posted By: BIGDUCKFAN @ 07/19/2008 6:48:17 PM

        MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, WAKING THE FENCE, GOD SPUES YOU OUT OF HIS MOUTH LIKE LUKE WARM WATER. DECIDE WHICH SIDE YOU ARE ON. MORMANS HAVE CHANGED THER NAME AND THERE
        BELIEFS OVER THE YEARS TO FIT THERE NEEDS.

  • Posted By: pillo @ 07/19/2008 6:47:29 PM

    it's a fact that this calendar uses stimulating images that will produce sexual lust. Even if you are gay or woman. This young models were perverted on their principles by a person who take advantage of their circumstances and their lack of vision. I don't really think that this kids understand how many money were going to generate and not seeing a cent. (i mean, something that were representative acording to the incomes) This ex-missionaries got off the road since they are unexperienced and were manipulated.

    This is another example of what 3 Nephi 14:15 says: " Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep???s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. " What this person ofered them was acceptance, popularity, more women trying to destroy their precious souls and more exposition to lost their dignity. They accepted for nothing.

    If you participated in this kind of proyects... you are stupid, and must repent.

    Enrique Laguna C.
    ex-missionary Mexico City West Mission.

  • Posted By: Cheshirekitty @ 07/19/2008 6:47:19 PM

    I am not knocking mormonism but I bet if it were "women on a mission"-Girls in bikinis, it wouldn't be such a big deal. After all, weren't some Mormons polygamists at some point?

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