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  • Posted By: roydmartin @ 07/19/2008 5:55:36 PM

    All churches have their problems especially the ones that claim a denomination.I am a Christian of no titles. I attend a good church and I listen to learn but it is God that I trust to teach me the truth in all things. When pastors and elders voice opinion or beliefs it can be wrong. Never does Jesus voice his opinion. Never did the deciples and prophets voice opinion or that they believe that this is what is being said.I have some issues with certain denominations but its not for me to judge.One thing is certain, nowhere does Jesus say or his deciples or God say or have to lure people to their cause with sexual attraction.Its not my opinion but fact that this calender is doing just that or else there wouldn,t be an dispute about it.Look at the comments their about sexual attraction and downing a church of which I know nothing about and dont want to know.I know God and what he is like.It is not his way to call his people with sexual attraction.And people going swimming in bathing suits is not about displaying their bodys for Gods work.Only twisters of words and incidents can change the subject to something to their likeing.Take this incident off of the calender to the church and so it goes.A pure example of inmuturity and ignorance of God and his way and word.

    • Posted By: foldart @ 07/19/2008 6:46:48 PM

      It is pretty obvious that you have never read the scriptures. What is Jesus doing if not voicing an opinion of his doctrine. What are those......silly things, the ten suggestions? What are the beattitudes? The sermon on the mount and the sermon on the plain? What was the parable of the good Samaritan or all of the other parables? The entire Bible is telling us how to live.... not an opinion but God's Law for Man given through his Son, Jesus Christ....the only begotten of the Father in the Flesh. Maybe you should "learn his word before you try and teach his word" because it is obvious that you don't know what you are talking about.

  • Posted By: karmagran@hotmail.com @ 07/19/2008 6:01:45 PM

    When either sex displays their body like this, it's to tempt the opposite (usually) sex to think lustful thoughts so they will desire the person. Lust is wrong. Love is right. Most people can't even tell the difference; notice how many divorces there are now.

    • Posted By: BIGDUCKFAN @ 07/19/2008 6:40:42 PM

      I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS ONE, TO CAUSE SOMEONE TO LUST IS A SIN IN ITS SELF

  • Posted By: Towncrier @ 07/19/2008 5:39:15 PM

    As a 50 year member of the LDS Church it sounds to me like an over zealous Stake President had little else to do than grind his own personal axe in this matter, Obviously there have been matters other than this particular one that has caused conflict between these two brethren that has come to a head with this decision. The Chrch does not need this type of publicity. Let sleeping dogs lie. Wake them and you'll regret it. I'm sure President What's His Name is pounding his chest saying, "Look at me! Look what I did!" Meanwhile the brethren in Salt Lake City are bemoaning his actions and saying,"Look at him! Look what he did! This is NOT what we need to promote the Church!" Like Dr. Phils says"What were you thinking?'

    • Posted By: foldart @ 07/19/2008 6:38:38 PM

      According to LDS Church doctrine: If this young man feels that he has been judged unrighteously or incorrectly he can appeal the judgement all the way up to the Prophet & the Apostles.(the presiding body) That would be the proper course of action as opposed to calling the newspapers and having it tried in the court of public opinion

  • Posted By: rogerdpack @ 07/19/2008 6:37:56 PM

    I think the problem came not even with the first publication, but when the church asked him to stop publishing it. After that his still publishing it...became something of a conflict.

  • Posted By: atruthseeker @ 07/19/2008 5:10:14 PM

    We have been forwarned about conspiring men in the last days. Christ will have to come before his appointed time in order to save even the very elect of God's children.. Christ has also said that he will start by cleaning out the evil from his own house first. It' s easy to start justifying our behaviors when money is involved.. Joseph Smith outlined Mormon beiefs with 13 Articles of Faith.. The last reads: "We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul- "We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to endure all things If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy we seek after these things." Posing in that manner goes against everything those young men taught for two years of their lives.. They discredit themselves as well as the Savior whom they professed to represent.. Example speaks louder than words. I am sure their families are ashamed of the calendars also. As a 35 year member, I am! Yet God loves the sinner as well as the righteous and recompenses each accordingly.. I was first taught by two young missionaries and I still feel honored everytime they enter my home today. I think that these models "know not what they do"... atruthseeker.
    they discredit themselves as well as their Savior whom they claim to represent.

    being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and doing good to all men: indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul--We believe all things, we hope all things., we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of
    good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things"

    • Posted By: JJYAUYAU @ 07/19/2008 6:37:46 PM

      BE CAREFUL ATRUTHSEEKER. I AM A HISTORY BUFF. ALSO A MORMON FOR 55 YEARS. BE CAREFUL. JOSEPH SMITH LIED. HE WAS DECIETFUL TO THE MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH. I HAVE SEEN PROOF. MARRIAGE CERTIFICATES, ETC..... HE MARRIED OTHER WOMAN WITHOUT EMMA'S KNOWLEDGE. YOU KNOW NOT WHAT YOU SPEAK OF. HE WAS DISHONEST AND DECIETFUL. STUDY DEEP INTO HISTORY AND YOU WILL TRUELY FIND ANSWERS. DON'T JUST LOOK INSIDE THE CHURCH TEACHINGS, GO OUT SIDE AND FIND REAL HISTORY. IT WILL FREAK YOU OUT. THEY WANT YOU TO JUST STAY WITHIN A CLOSE REALM OF STUDY SO YOU WON'T KNOW THE TRUTH.
      JJ

    • Posted By: just me in utah @ 07/19/2008 5:51:04 PM

      get over yourself the church believes they can control everyone and they need to get the f**k out of utah and they need to be abolished they do not control everyone and the Calendar isn't going to hurt anyone!!!!!

  • Posted By: babydoll40 @ 07/19/2008 6:37:30 PM

    Well I personally don't see anything wrong with what Hardy did, but then I again I am not a mormon for more reasons than one thank goodness. Do the math he made $150,000.00 in one year alone and with all this plublicity he will probably double that next year. That is way more than I make in one year. I support you 100% Hardy.

  • Posted By: Public Man @ 07/19/2008 6:09:43 PM

    I too am one of those Mormons who quit going to their meetings. I had problems with my church council trying to tell me not to publish a book on Utah Politics and the Mormon Church. I was shocked and told them that they had no say in matters like that. They told me it was wrong to write that the real reasons the church allowed African Americans to hold the preisthood was because they were about to be sued. Just like the calendar it is a matter of a private mens club keeping the click pure. Sex may not sell religion or the Mormon Church but it was sure all about SEX when they were building the church and their membership. Pologamy at its best and still discussed that every worthy Mormon man will have multiple wives so they to can USE SEX to build up their many planets. Just Ask DavidFrandsen of Ogden Utah a real mover and shker of why sex sells.

    • Posted By: jjjacks @ 07/19/2008 6:33:46 PM

      Wow, you sure know it all don't ya. I should worship you. You are so smart. You are smarter than your Heavenly Father and much better than him too.

  • Posted By: ScienceIsProof @ 07/19/2008 6:06:51 PM

    Soft porn my ass. The United States is the only nation that is hung up about the human body why? because some dumba-- feels the need to make it "Dirty and Unpure" weren't Adam and Eve nude? I believe that there are churches and religion in other countries yet because of the " Moral Majority " we are the only ones who have made the the design of God wicked and evil Puritan Hypocrits

    • Posted By: jjjacks @ 07/19/2008 6:25:19 PM

      ya, Adam and Eve were nude and innocent like little children before Eve partook of the fruit. The world is in a very different state now. Read the Bible.

  • Posted By: d.t darkness @ 07/19/2008 3:44:14 PM

    it just goes to show how ridicoulus any believe in a so called god is.Perhaps one day society will discard its tolerance for religious thought and practice so that the human race might have a chance to acheive its full potential instead of constantly having to be concerned about the illogical rantings of those of faith.

    • Posted By: inthemiddleoftheroad @ 07/19/2008 4:19:25 PM

      You can believe in God or not believe in God. It is your right to do either one. I do hope that you find something good to believe in, something to give you purpose and hope.

      • Posted By: foolkiller @ 07/19/2008 6:14:21 PM

        A very healthy attitude, middleoftheroad. Everyone should believe in something. After studying the worlds religions for 48 years, I BELIEVE I'll have another beer.Enter Your Comment

    • Posted By: catscraps @ 07/19/2008 3:52:12 PM

      Ridiculous (or ridicoulus, however you want to spell it)? Do some research. May I suggest 3 books to you? They are The Case for a Creator, The Case for Christ, and The Case for Faith. Written by Lee Strobel, an investigative reporter and previous atheist. Hard to argue with facts. Illogical rantings of faith? My faith teaches justice, truth, kindness, honesty, faithfulness, and love. If you don't see the logic in those things being good for our society, you are not doing your homework and seeing what the opposites do instead.

      • Posted By: d.t darkness @ 07/19/2008 5:21:21 PM

        oops,spelled a word wrong,my bad!But I do that a lot. I have heard of lee Strobel,the reporter who started out to expose christianity and ended up being converted if i am thinking of the right guy?Have not read his works,simply doubt that i will find him impressive.As to argue with facts,you are correct.FACT,no one has ever proven a god of any kind exists and is watching out for us.FACT, the human race exists.FACT human suffering and conflict in the name of god continues to this day.When it comes to seeing logic in the values you mentioned being good for our society I would agree but faith is not needed to have these values.In fact I would say that the lessons put forth in scripture is runs contrary to what most would consider to be morally correct.I believe it is morally wrong to kill in the name of any god yet in deuteronomy chapter 13 god calls for you to do just that and please dont give me any worn out excuses about old or new testament.As for whats good for our society how can you possibly provide for the betterment of future generations while waiting for a so called god to return and bring about what amounts to the genocide of the humane race?(end times,revelations,sound familiar?)Just because someone BELIEVES the sky is red does not make it a FACT

  • Posted By: hlforschler @ 07/19/2008 3:03:11 PM

    I have been a active member of the church for 30 years, and a professional artist for the about the same amount of time, I have met many wonderful people, and some very misguided ones as well. My work has met with opposition from over zealous local leaders, who try to force members to live as they wish to live and if you do not you are threatened with excommunication or other actions. What is forgotten by these misguided so called leaders, is the free agency that God has given us all, to choose for ourselves, what we do and what we view. I have had the oppertunity to sit on these very councils. And by in large they are a council of good men doing the right things, but on some others not to the truest standard of Gods law. The beauty of Gods kindom is that we will all have to be accountable for our actions, leaders and followers alike.
    I beleave the calendar to be within tasteful standards. Is it about money, yes, its a living we all have to make one. Why he was excommunicated who knows the truth, and really does not matter . What matters most is that we need to get our heads out of the sand. and stand up for the rights that God has given all of us. And not be that cookie cutter that just cuts out blind sheep. The world is beautiful and so is the human fourm. After all we are created in Gods image.

    • Posted By: homieDclown @ 07/19/2008 6:13:37 PM

      Don't you mean "black sheep"? It sounds like you would rather have gods standards conform to yours instead of the way it is. Those leaders are doing the best they can with the limitations they have. I'm sure you know that none of them chose to be leaders in the church, they were asked to and headed the call.

  • Posted By: boog54 @ 07/19/2008 6:11:39 PM

    I must say I don't really agree to the guys posing for it but anyone that says that mormon's treat the body as a temple need to look at the people in their LDS church. How many people are overweight?

  • Posted By: mymindisnotforrent @ 07/19/2008 5:09:50 PM

    Mormons are all screwed up. Everything they do is just screwed up. God didn't want us to marry 10 different girls and have more children then one can count. So maybe this was a way of getting out of having to deal with mormon BS. Its not a sin to take your shirt off outside. What do you do when you go to the beach? Wear your full body mormon suit?? I bet that feels great. Seriously, Big deal if this guy wanted to pose without a shirt on, At least he didn't pose for a porno mag! What would everyone have to say about that?? Yeahhh even bigger sin huh? Well in the eyes of a mormon everything is a sin. F*cking soda is a sin. Whos to say whats wrong and whats right? The calendar isn't against the law, This guy did nothing wrong. In fact, He did something right, Because just for taking his shirt off for a short photo session, Money got sent to a needy charity. So its boogas for you people to think its soo wrong. Get your head on straight. Why do you think you need to control the members of your church? Your uptight and need to get your head out of your a*ss. Everything you do is messed up. So let this kid do what he wants and let it be. You can't control the whole world...

    • Posted By: jjjacks @ 07/19/2008 5:27:13 PM

      You really don't have any of your facts straight here. Mormons are not polygamists. That is the FLDS church. They are not affiliated with the the LDS church and they are the first ones to tell you that.

      The LDS church only teaches the gospel of Jesus Christ. I have never heard of anyone trying to be controlled. I think it is wrong for you to damn a religion that you seem to know nothing about. The LDS church certainly does not do that to other religions so why are you doing it to them?

      • Posted By: schweets @ 07/19/2008 6:02:57 PM

        That's funny about not "controlling" people. Supposedly, according to the article, he was excommunicated because of lack of attendance and tithing.

        • Posted By: inthemiddleoftheroad @ 07/19/2008 6:10:04 PM

          Trust me, NO ONE gets excommunicated for lack of attendance and tithing. Tithing is a choice, attendance is a choice. Tithing is a commandment and you are encouraged to pay tithing, but you aren't excommunicated for not doing so. The real reason he was excommunicated is known only to him and the church leaders. Obviously they are respecting his privacy by not commenting. If he said he was excommunicated for not believing in the church anymore (which I am not saying he doesn't - just an example) would he sell as many calendars? Would this whole thing be such an issue? More food for thought - second serving. ;)

    • Posted By: inthemiddleoftheroad @ 07/19/2008 5:23:51 PM

      Comment: Mormons are all screwed up. Everything they do is just screwed up. God didn't want us to marry 10 different girls and have more children then one can count. So maybe this was a way of getting out of having to deal with mormon BS. Its not a sin to take your shirt off outside. What do you do when you go to the beach? Wear your full body mormon suit?? I bet that feels great. Seriously, Big deal if this guy wanted to pose without a shirt on, At least he didn't pose for a porno mag! What would everyone have to say about that?? Yeahhh even bigger sin huh? Well in the eyes of a mormon everything is a sin. F*cking soda is a sin. Whos to say whats wrong and whats right? The calendar isn't against the law, This guy did nothing wrong. In fact, He did something right, Because just for taking his shirt off for a short photo session, Money got sent to a needy charity. So its boogas for you people to think its soo wrong. Get your head on straight. Why do you think you need to control the members of your church? Your uptight and need to get your head out of your a*ss. Everything you do is messed up. So let this kid do what he wants and let it be. You can't control the whole world...

      Gosh that is so awesome that you know exactly what God thinks! No it is not a sin for a guy to take his shirt off outside. But it wasn't his right to use the LDS church's name to sell magazines. And gosh, I didn't know their were still full body suits. Do you have one? I wear my tankini and board shorts because I hate my thighs. <giggle> Although, I do admit that when the water is really cold I wear a shorty (you know, a wet suit). Does that count as a full body suit? And gosh, I didn't realize that *everything* is a sin in Mormons eyes. Does driving my car count? I totally agree, the calendar is not against the law. But the church can decide that the way he used the name of the Church for his own gain was wrong, just as you have a right to your decisions. And when you said, "Why do you think you need to control the members of your church? Your uptight and need to get your head out of your a*ss. Everything you do is messed up," are you talking to Christ, because it is His church, His members. Personally I don't think Christ is uptight, nor does he have His head in His a**. And I really don't think that everything He does is messed up - actually I don't think anything Jesus does is messed up. Do you? And obviously Christ let this young man do what wanted, right? If Christ hadn't, I suspect this young man would have been struck dumb or something. Hmmm. Food for thought. I don't think anyone on earth tries to control the whole world, mmmm, maybe except for Hitler. But he failed so. . .

      • Posted By: inthemiddleoftheroad @ 07/19/2008 5:28:31 PM

        That first paragraph was the previous post, not mine.

        • Posted By: pete1119 @ 07/19/2008 5:53:32 PM

          I just have to say that what you said about mymindisnotforrent's comment about them knowing what God thinks is funny. Do you know what God thinks because you are mormon? Aren't we all supposed to know what God thinks because isn't that how we should be living, by God's word? Just some food for thought for you.

          • Posted By: inthemiddleoftheroad @ 07/19/2008 6:03:43 PM

            You took it all wrong. We (the human race) can know what God wants us to do by the commandments he gives us. As far as exactly knowing what God thinks, hmmm, I don't think so. I don't know exactly what you think and you don't know exactly what I think, so what makes us thing we know exactly what God is thinking? I know what he wants ME to do, I know he loves me and you - because I have faith. Faith is different than knowledge. I have knowledge that my keyboard is in front of me so I can type this and I have FAITH that I have a Father in Heaven who loves me. I respect that you have your own opinions - we are all entitled to them.

            Geez, a little sarcasm and the stones are flying!

  • Posted By: iknowitallbaby @ 07/19/2008 2:28:32 PM

    Yeah whats the big deal about this? 30 years ago they wouldn't accept my dad into any position in the church because of him being of "color".They babtize dead people without permission, have "logical" reasonings for the first Mormons who moved out here to have relations with multiple women since the trip was "rough" and the women needed to be "taken care of", they think they are going to have to defend their food supply when the end comes from hungry people, which is greed. I think this calendar is the least of their problems.

    • Posted By: yourface @ 07/19/2008 2:40:29 PM

      they actually wrote a whole book about not giving black men the priesthood in the 60's and i dare someone to argue with me about it cuz i read the damn thing with my own eyes...

      • Posted By: jjjacks @ 07/19/2008 6:06:16 PM

        Most of us agree that it is a shame that black people were not accepted as equals in this country until later on but I don't think that that has anything to do with this discussion right now. I think you were trying to just get in a dig. Right?

    • Posted By: donnaramsey @ 07/19/2008 2:37:29 PM

      I would never try to defend my food supply from those in need. That is part of the reason why I have a food supply; to be able to share with others less fortunate than myself. I have shared what I have on many occasions with people not of my religion and the "end" doesn't have to be here for me to do it!

  • Posted By: resplandor @ 07/19/2008 6:03:04 PM

    as the old saying states: " do not do good deeds that my look bad and do not do bad deeds that may seem rightgeous.

    it seems that the models forgot this basic principle

  • Posted By: john.doe.2008 @ 07/19/2008 4:09:13 PM

    It amazes me the ignorance of some people. Ignorance is worse than stupidity! MORMONS DO NOT PRACTICE POLYGAMY!!! Any member of the Mormon Church who practices polygamy is excommunicated. Maybe you should check your facts before you start preaching false information.

    • Posted By: teardrop14 @ 07/19/2008 4:26:48 PM

      They may not practice it now, but from everything I have read, they did practice it up until the early 1900s. The truth is that many consider the present Mormon church based in Salt Lake City as the offshoot of the original teachings of Joseph Smith and the 1800's founding fathers. That's the very reason why there are such "orthodox" groups as what we are seeing on TV. They see Salt Lake City's church as the apostacy of the origin. I think they have a good point too. You can paint the wall white, but the wall is still made out of manure. It's better to use the Bible alone and not the book written by a founding father who promoted polygamy.

      • Posted By: homieDclown @ 07/19/2008 5:58:05 PM

        If you believe the Bible then that might make you a polygamist too. Read the Old Testament buddy, many prophets in the Bible had many wifes, IE Abraham........... maybe you have forgotten or just never actually read it

  • Posted By: limbo @ 07/19/2008 5:57:31 PM

    this calendar is unfortunate. it is a mockery of church members' beliefs to regard their bodies as pure and sacred. i can't think of a more cheap and degrading way of drawing attention to the church than enlisting members who wish to be more accepted by the world, to wax up and flex. Hardy is kidding himself when he claims that he meant only to shed positive light on the LDS faith. he, like so many other americans favors explotation of the body over revernce for sacred things. as a joke, it is in poor tate

  • Posted By: resplandor @ 07/19/2008 5:57:09 PM

    I am a return missionary and member from the LDS church since I was a kid,
    I think here the problem is the picture of the returned missionaries in the calendar because it could send the wrong message to the people that is being teach. there ia and old saying: " do not due good deeds that they mey seen bad and do not do bad deeds that may look good."
    I am not agree with the excomunication and I may not agree with the calendar but everyone has the privilege of choose to do what they want. I do not think this is a matter to be considered for a councel, regarding the models, well their acts speak lauder than their words...using you body to get money for charities? come on, you can do alternte activities to get money for charities.

  • Posted By: toxophilitebuff @ 07/19/2008 5:55:01 PM

    I am commenting on both the LDS doctrine and the related post by jolynn61.
    First the LDS. There are many religious sects for Christians to follow; nevermind Judism or the religion of Mohamad. How in the Hell am I suppose to know which one is the right one to follow? All religions, without exception, preach tolerance and to treat others as one would like to be treated.
    And now the comments by jolynn61;
    There is no indication of the age of the writer but this girl / guy needs to enrol in English class. That was one of the longest run-on sentences I have run across for a long time. Her / his syntax and grammar leave a lot to be desired as well. If one wishes to make a point, it is always more effective when expressed both well and properly. I am not being critical as my own grammar is far from perfect, as one can see here, but merely making my own point.

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