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  • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/21/2008 9:47:52 AM

    Obama has said: "We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK"

    Say "OK?"

    As a socialist, he will either order us to park our suv's at the city dump, turn off our air conditioners, and tell us how much to eat, or, he will ask other countries for their permission.

    I wonder which it will be?

    • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 07/22/2008 3:13:30 PM

      Now, you're just joshing.

    • Posted By: mhopgood123 @ 07/21/2008 10:50:45 AM

      WHat does your comment have to do with the posted article? Is that what Rush told you to do? TO attack Obama with false and baseless accusations?

      • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/21/2008 3:11:24 PM

        It's not baseless... it's what he said. The man wants to be president. The last I heard, nothing is off limits.

  • Posted By: whipple @ 07/21/2008 11:18:32 AM

    Senator Obama is our best choice for President. He is a person who will listen and knows what goes on in the real world. McCain doesn't even realize how bad times are and thinks people are just imagining we are heading for a recession. His wife is so rich they don't have a clue what is reality.

    • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/21/2008 11:23:09 AM

      Really? Based on what? Just more empty words for the empty suit. He's where he is for one primary reason: he can stand at the podium and speak eloquently for 30 minutes and not say a word.

      • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 07/21/2008 2:47:47 PM

        You forget the importance of hope. Drop your pessimism, you might enjoy life.

        • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/22/2008 3:12:13 PM

          And you are... the queen of optimisim? Hard to believe after reading some of your posts.

      • Posted By: lee226 @ 07/21/2008 12:15:55 PM

        That's more than you can do! Or you would not be here wasting your time.

        • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/21/2008 3:15:41 PM

          Really Lee? Glad to see you're here wasting your time also!

          • Posted By: GoHomeFascist @ 07/21/2008 7:52:30 PM

            I am not the least tormented Skypoint, in fact is amuses me to no end to hear your arrogant fascist diatribes!

            • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/22/2008 9:01:04 AM

              Facist? Lol! Look no further than your own posts for that.

              • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 07/22/2008 2:30:40 PM

                Get the picture? You're a source of 'fun.'

                • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/22/2008 3:09:16 PM

                  I get the picture all right... your the source of complete idiocy.

        • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/21/2008 3:16:57 PM

          BTW, I'm self employed, which allows me the luxury of tormenting libs like you!

    • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 07/21/2008 11:32:20 AM

      Well you certainly have a problem......With Obama. Speak on his wifes 300% pay raise AFTER Obama was elected into the senate. I guess you feel Obama must be a poor man with a 300,000 dollar yard addition to his home. Imagine that, his yard is worth 5 times more then your home. Suuuure, a poor man he is. And you seem very uncomfortable with women in positions of power i;e Hillary. Maybe you may look for conseling to get over your fears. You have all of the dominant traits of someone who beats their wife. The first step to re-hab is admission. Please for your wife or girlfriends sake, do seek conseling.

      • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 07/22/2008 2:29:43 PM

        Who are you going to vote for if you want a 'poor' president? Talk about ranting.

      • Posted By: raddave @ 07/21/2008 4:56:16 PM

        Michelle Obama was promoted to a Vice President position at the University of Chicago in 2005, so she earned a pay raise. The Obamas did not spend $300,000 for the addition to their yard, it was $104,000. No one has said that the Obama's are poor. They do, however come from humble beginnings and have worked hard to achieve what they have. They have lived the American Dream.

    • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/21/2008 11:27:13 AM

      "His wife is so rich they don't have a clue what is reality"

      Cindy McCain having money isn't an issue with me (as if the Obama's are broke!)

      However, sitting in a pew for 20 years listening to "his mentor" who is a raging, racist maniac, is an issue.

      Now that's reality!

      • Posted By: lee226 @ 07/21/2008 12:06:40 PM

        That is not reality, it is your opinion of reality seeing thru the lenses distorted by your political biases and unable to have a perspective on either candidates that reflects a true understanding of the issues, personalites and accomplishments.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/22/2008 3:15:44 AM




    RESPONSE TO: A blogger named Perusing-through below

    Face it, the Surge DID work and that McCain continually fought for this plan for an increase of troops in IRAQ (as a leader even though it was not popular) to get President Bush to eventually implement this plan (surge). The surge worked. Even Obama has (although unsubtly has not denied) . . that the surge worked . . . . by scrubbing off those blatant words from his official website.

    Your reaction to my posts (folks, anyone who wants to see them they are posted down below) tells me that you are reacting in an EMOTIONALl fashion instead of an intellectual manner given all of the NAME-CALLING you inflicted at me in your response here. While we are talking about name-calling, I found this explanation about why people really do turn to name-calling in response to other peoples opinions, etc.:

    BAD NAMES have played a tremendously powerful role in the history of the world and in our own individual development. They have ruined reputations, stirred men and women to outstanding accomplishments, sent others to prison cells, and made men mad enough to enter battle and slaughter their fellowmen. They have been and are applied to other people, groups, gangs, tribes, colleges, political parties, neighborhoods, states, sections of the country, nations, and races.

    (Institute for Propaganda Analysis, 1938)

    The NAME-CALLING TECHNIQUE links a person, or idea, to a negative symbol. The propagandist who uses this technique HOPES THAT THE AUDIENCE WILL REJECT THE PERSON or THE IDEA on the basis of the negative symbol, instead of looking at the available evidence.

    The most obvious type of name calling involves bad names. For example, consider the following:

    Commie
    Fascist
    Idiot
    Pig
    Yuppie
    Bum
    Queer
    Terrorist

    A more subtle form of name-calling involves words or phrases that are selected because they possess a negative emotional charge. Those who oppose budget cuts may characterize fiscally conservative politicians as stingy. Supporters might prefer to describe them as thrifty." Both words refer to the same behavior, but they have very different connotations. Other examples of negatively charged words include:

    social engineering
    radical
    cowardly
    counter-culture
    The name-calling technique was first identified by the Institute for Propaganda Analysis (IPA) in 1938. According to the IPA, we should ask ourselves the following questions when we spot an example of name-calling.
    What does the name mean?

    Does the idea in question have a legitimate connection with the real meaning of the name?
    Is an idea that serves my best interests being dismissed through giving it a name I don't like?
    Leaving the name out of consideration, what are the merits of the idea itself?


    • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 07/22/2008 2:58:16 PM

      How did the surge work? How many Americans have died in Iraq since the surge?

    • Posted By: Davole @ 07/22/2008 11:16:33 AM

      Share -

      You were sure in fine fighting form earlier this morning!

      In case you might be interested, consider viewing a blog which a buddy of mine (willnotvoteobama) posted a few hours ago @ 07/22/2008 8:50:01 AM LOL

      Looking forward to tonight and early tomorrow to greet the next wave of obamabots.

      Together with you - dispelling FUD!

    • Posted By: Davole @ 07/22/2008 6:21:56 AM

      Share -

      In that blogger's defense (JK), he may have serious health issues (blind, deaf, and intellectually-challenged) which prevent him from realizing that THE SURGE HAS DEFINITELY WORKED!

      You're really in "go getter" determination this morning - keep up the good work!

      The Obamabots, just like the noxious weeds, are definitely out in full force now.
      After the general election, hopefully they and George Soros will just move on.

      BWL IOU

  • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/21/2008 12:05:44 PM

    Quote: "I smell fear when people site Obama as racist. Silly white people"

    Pardon me, but I am a little leary of a man who wants to be our president, sits in a church with his "mentor", who IS a maniacal racist. He lies about it, saying he had never heard him say those things, then, when he figured out how stupid that was, admitted he did hear them, but he could not disown him. (Which he did later when it became politically expedient for him to do so).

    You, like Obama, just can't image why that bothers most Americans.

    Show me who your friends are, and I'll show you who you are.

    • Posted By: raddave @ 07/21/2008 12:15:13 PM

      Obama has never admitted that he heard Rev. Wright's so-called racist remarks.

      • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/21/2008 12:28:44 PM

        Yes, he did. Obama, in an interview broadcast on "Fox News Sunday," said he actually has been on hand for worship services that included "provocative" messages...

        To cover himself, Obama used the term "provacative".

        • Posted By: lee226 @ 07/21/2008 12:38:59 PM

          Since you seem to want to vote for McCain I suggest you go dig his dirt and negative things about his truant character and disloyalty to the party and playing to both sides and changing his tune in the middle of the song, so you can be equally biased against both and have a real good time.

          • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/21/2008 12:51:56 PM

            WTF???

            • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/21/2008 1:12:57 PM

              It's not babbling, lee made a true statement but didn't use the republican created term of flip flopping. Flip flop this, flip flop that... McCain is a flip flopper, there I said it. Flip flop, flip flop.He needs to go buy some tennis shoes.

              • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/21/2008 1:39:44 PM

                Dig dirt? If you remember, Obama's church provided Wright's insane rhetoric on DVD's for sale/distribution, so no digging was necessary. Either way, Obama still cannot tell us why he listened to Wright's nonsense for 20 years. If he didn't agree with him, why did he stay? If he does agree with him....

                Yeah, I really don't want a racist in the White House!

                • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 07/21/2008 2:12:04 PM

                  REv. Wright is not a racist for preaching against America's systemic racism. Brighten up.

                  • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/21/2008 2:56:35 PM

                    I think Wright is racist. And should I be wrong, do you really think his unbelievable tirades are the answer? I don't think so. I think he actually perpetuates racism with his rants.

                    You should take your own advice and "brighten up". The guy's a loser who does nothing but spread hate.

                    • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 07/21/2008 6:00:41 PM

                      Rev. Wright's 'tirade' against America's systemic racism isn't as important in this year's presidential election as getting out of Iraq or improving America's economy. If it makes you feel better though, feel free to childishly rant on about Rev. Wright.

                      • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/21/2008 7:21:31 PM

                        Obviusly you can't answer the question, so it becomes unimportant.

                        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/21/2008 9:11:20 PM

                          Elizabeth's last comment was her answer to you. Obviously, you don't get it.

                          • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/22/2008 8:56:48 AM

                            Her answer of "it's racisim that he hates, is ludicris. No matter the facts, you'll find a way to spin Obama's 20-year relationship with a race-baiting man who calls for God to damn America, is convinced that it's run by the Ku Klux Klan, that the government engineered the AIDS virus to get rid of gays and blacks, and embraces Louis Farrakhan.

                            Spin away!

                            • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 07/22/2008 2:28:09 PM

                              Nutcase.

                              • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/22/2008 2:55:38 PM

                                There you are again.... spoken like a true lib!!! Calling people names in place of answers you can't provide.

                                GTFU, why don't you?

                      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/21/2008 9:10:13 PM

                        Perfect Elizabeth!

                • Posted By: raddave @ 07/21/2008 4:24:07 PM

                  If Obama is a racist, who exactly is he racist against? Which part of himself does he hate?

          • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/21/2008 12:53:21 PM

            You're babeling, which is normal for one who cannot come up with an answer to known fact.

        • Posted By: raddave @ 07/21/2008 1:07:41 PM

          provocative language doesn't equate to racist comments. You just choose to read into it what you want to.

          • Posted By: southpaw@home @ 07/21/2008 2:21:54 PM

            If he sat in that church for 20 years and did not hear a racist comment I would also have to question his ability to hear. No that is not a shot at his ears.

      • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/21/2008 1:09:13 PM

        The Right created the racist comment. Wright's comment was actually political which he didn't know too much about. But then again, the Republicans don't know too much other than what they distribute among one another, take Rove, Buchanan, Bush, Cheney, Gramm, McCain and that radio guy, can't remember his name off the top of my head but they all say something and every republican thinks it is right, thus the term Right wing. Left is open ended and open for discussion, that's what I like the most about Democratic ideas. And that's what Barack Obama is all about, change in the ways we think.

  • Posted By: n88e88 @ 07/20/2008 2:26:58 AM

    Obama is neither Optimistic Realist nor Realistic Optimist nor naive. He is an Opportunist. He will seize any opportunity to promote himself. He will change his position when he sees gain. He has no problem switching if not flip-flopping. He is also a manipulator, an illusionist. Obama praises George Bush's foreign policy? Does he mean Condolezza Rice? I would rather call him Dualistic Opportunist. He is not at the center but he would zigzagging left-right around the center just to cover his tracks. Obama is White-Black, Left-Right, Socialist-Millionaire, Christian-Mohammedian, etc...It seems he has problem to keep anything in one principle. In short he lacks integrity.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/20/2008 2:57:07 AM

      I think you nailed what his initials (doesnt use his middle initial) stands for:

      BO = (equals) Big Opportunist. Seems to fits the bill. : - )

    • Posted By: chindognyc @ 07/20/2008 10:03:03 AM

      Never Obama. McCain though, he is a opportunist big time. Off-shore drilling, the Bush tax cut. Need I go on? The lies he is saying to court the Hillary supporters. I think we need to stop spreading the lies and tell the truth. Obama will bring our reputation back. The world wants him as our next President. The EU even said that they hope that America votes for Obama.

  • Posted By: Jim F. @ 07/20/2008 7:04:44 PM

    This Obama cheerleading by what is supposed to be an objective news media is a complete misrepresentation of the inexperienced and far-left wing presidiential candidate. This guy's claim to fame in foreign policy is opposing the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. He opposed it even though the world's intelligence reports were claiming that Hussein had stockpiles of WMD which, by the way, he had ample opportunity to ship out of the country before the invasion. Obama didn't have better intelligence, he was just following his anti-war, left wing tendencies. The war was executed badly so Obama can claim he was smarter than everybody else. The decision to go to war, as we know today, was well justified.

    While we didn't find the WMD stockpiles, it is well-documented that Saddam had the capability to start production of WMDs within a few weeks time and he had the intentions to maintain that readiness. Saddam Hussein was a murderous dictator responsible for torturing and killing hundreds of thousands, had well-documented ties and sponsorship to terrorism, violated 17 UN Resolutions in addition to the UN Oil-for-Food scandal where he stole billions of dollars (to be used in food and medicine) from his own people, he attacked neighboring countries including Kuwait and Israel, plotted the assassination of a US President, and, his successors, his sons Uday and Qusay, had shown themselves to be no better. There was also good probability that the radical Shiite clerics, with support from Iran, would have made a power play without a sovereign Iraqi government and capable military force in place, after Hussein???s eventual death, making the whole region unstable. History will be favorable to Bush even though the liberals hate him like they hated Reagan.

    Obama's recent opposition to the surge and his plan to end the war and immediately withdraw troops was not only bad judgement, it shows how terribly ignorant he is on foreign policy. Obama was willing to show the world we do not keep our word and we will abandon countries in trouble if the going gets too rough. This would have severely handicapped our efforts in getting future cooperation from other countries if they can't trust our word and our commitments. His far-left tendencies would be disastrous for our country.

    This article is Obama campaign propaganda like much of the news media coverage on Obama. This mindless infatuation of Obama by the media is dangerous for our country because it misinforms the electorate. And regarding the Obama World Tour: It doesn't matter how much foreigners cheer the silver-tongued, left-wing politician if he is bad for OUR interests. Besides, those foreigners no nothing of Obama except the campaign propaganda put out by the infatuated new media.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 07/20/2008 7:33:45 PM

      Thank you for a well written post. Remember the deck of playing cards that the US made that had the pictures of the terrorist on our most wanted list on them? How many of those did we eventually capture or kill? I don't know that I've heard how many to date but I know we did get quite a few. It was a good idea to put their pictures on the cards.

      • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 07/22/2008 2:47:40 PM

        It's a never-ending battle. For every one killed, how many willingly take their place?

    • Posted By: lee226 @ 07/20/2008 7:14:46 PM

      I think the confusion of McCain about shiite and sunni on various occasion, the mention of a country who does not longer exist and few other blunders are more dangerous . A president who does not understand the basic about the culture and allows his supporter to say the muslim are terrorist, confusing the religion with extremist. He has had more problem and why? Lack of leadership in his campaign, lack of cordination among surrogates, lack of direction on different policies.
      We have no choice but one choice in november and we are fortunate to have a brilliant representative of the human race running for president. Learn your stuff and stop pandering.

      • Posted By: Jim F. @ 07/20/2008 7:31:25 PM

        Obama's bad decision on the surge and willingness to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory, his willingness throw out our duty to keep our commitments, and his misinformed opinion that Iran is a 'small country' so it is not threat, is not as important as McCain mispeaking about Shiites and Sunnis.

        You sound like a typical Obama supporter.

        • Posted By: mrzoid @ 07/20/2008 8:21:36 PM

          Now i dont really care who wins the presidency, i dont think it will make much of a difference either way, but perhaps you can tell me, what is the definition of victory in this war? Everyone is always talking about defeat and victory, but what exactly is "victory"? It cant just be a buzz word, so give me a detailed description of criteria that must be met to declare "victory".

          • Posted By: Galasso @ 07/20/2008 10:35:15 PM

            Victory over the Japanese and the Germans meant that they were staggering through the wreckage of their lives - we literally bombed and shelled them until they had nothing left. In today's world it is called a cessation of hostilities. No one is ever going to win in the middle east. If the armed factions stop the internecine warfare long enough to realize that the oil will make all of their lives a bit more comfortable and the government corruption can at least be contained to an "acceptable" level - then I suppose we can declare victory.

      • Posted By: Galasso @ 07/20/2008 8:19:45 PM

        By the way - the Pelosi appointed Democratic head of the House Intelligence Oversight committee (Reyes) made the same mistake with the press - he called Osama Bin Ladin a shia - and went on at length about it.

    • Posted By: lee226 @ 07/20/2008 7:08:20 PM

      and who was that gave Saddam arms and money in the past?

      • Posted By: ginamlaster @ 07/20/2008 10:12:52 PM

        Thank you!!! How soon they all forget. Of course we were certain that Sadaam had WMDs because it was the United States Government that sold them to him. Our government knew what he had and who he was for years, but they worked to keep him in power because he was holding Iran in check. They didn't care then that he was a fascist who tortured his own people with the weapons we gave him. Sure he was a dictator, but he was our dictator, so enough with the Bush propaganda already.

        Let's call a spade a spade. Sadaam was a means to an end to hold back Iran without getting involved directly. We also used him to justify a war that was completely unnecessary, which is why I don't understand this BS about the surge working. So what? That argument totally ignores the fact this so-called "successful" surge would have been unnecessary if we'd never started this pointless fight in the first place. This success of this surge is like a successful abortion. Okay, it worked and you're off the hook. But the responsible thing would have been not to risk a pregnancy in the first place, especially if you're not prepared to take care of a baby. You don't deserve a pat on the back for that, and the idiots who started and perpetuated this war don't deserve a pat on the back because they finally got lucky and hit upon a strategy that worked.

    • Posted By: Galasso @ 07/20/2008 7:36:50 PM

      The two things that have the media tititillated in its hot pursuit of Obama is that he is articulate and hard left. That is the polar opposite of Bush 43 and the media is beside itself. It is as if they are waiting for the sermon on the mount. It is patently obvious that Obama never had an original thought on foreign policy due to his lack of experience with foreign governments and is "fine tuning" his approach as we get closer to the election. When he receives positive responses and endorsements from the traditional enemies of the US - from the Latin American cartel of crooks and thieves like Castro and Chavez, the middle eastern morons - Hezbollah, Hamas, Khadafi - he insists that he is "communicating" and better qualified to repair diplomatic relations. This isn't hubris - this is quintessential naivete. As he drinks from a firehose during the campaign and has more information, he has changed his delivery and opinion to such an extent, he is beginning to deny his original positions and has the chutzpah to expect the American people to believe him. It will be interesting to see what his policy du jour is after he returns from the junket to Europe and the Kennedy-Berlin (plagarized) redux.

  • Posted By: pissed-off @ 07/22/2008 2:44:09 PM

    please stop saying what American's want and think for I'm an American and I and most of the people in my family some vet's were thinking like Obama on the war issue the problem I have with this war it was a fraud they did not attack us plymoth rock they didn't even have a big army but wa able to fool all our leader's ALL except me even when I was growing up we had gang fight's but if the other side chased us home across the bridge and down the hill and felt like we were running we kept on until we led them far enough into deanwood were they wher surrounded by almost our whole neighborhood then everyone just jumped them, now keniworth was the same for us yet we knew how to stop at the first two when we saw no-one and we retreated back to back yet our leader's kept on pushing all the way to TIKRIT the last area with no- resistance then thhey found Hussein no -weapon's or even WMD"S for if that was me and i had them for the way he was described Hsshould or would have got some off we told him when we were coming, like the envoy hey we are not from their should have OLLIE NORTH back in uniform as a commander at least he could have gave us direction's and told every one that all the weapon;s we sold them had to be put together by russian and japenese,and amreican instruction just think back as to what they found hey they did not even have a airplane look we need to be real we just have been engaged in a trainning exercise that went wrong or a oil deal gone bad heyI did not mean any harm but sometimes when you are in charge that does mean you are the smartest apple the only way out, for real is hey our leader have gotten our military held in a foreign country like hostages for every alternative route is block by arrogance and carrer military folk's who have no home life for the resisstance that we received was just to make us waist our artillery and other supplies seeit was easy picken's on us when we first got their travel a little bit no resistance then boom out of know were hey we lost a lot in the desert plus there are more worst or just as bad dictator's out their from now on we should get all the fact's or call me naive but nobody help the black race for many of year's of abuse so if we jump out their again please have everyone on board so we can leave like we got in watch this hey before we got big headed we were talking no I mean some -one was saying we would leave threw IRAN< SYRIA Or TURKEY thank's to your boy;s Obama is right he know's we got to talk to thos folk's if you are going to tell it tell all

  • Posted By: Lov4America @ 07/21/2008 10:16:10 AM

    Posted By: amendment2man @ 07/21/2008 9:26:20 AM
    Comment: gee what a biased article! you are so probama it's not funny and you are obviously biased in foriegn policy.

    coddling China? how can opinion be editorialized as facts? diplomacy and strategy are lost to you.

    so tired of the media attempting to build up this inadequate candidate while discounting the obvious choice of Mccain who embodies all the qualities which are needed as well as the necessary experience.

    obama has tried so hard to portray himself as a jfk. even going so far as to try to recreate the Brandenburg gate scene. he relies on emotions and romantic imagery while constantly blowing with the wind when it comes to his policies. he is on a learn as you go program. what a joke!

    Posted By: Native New Yorker @ 07/21/2008 9:23:06 AM
    Comment: Oh please, Obama doesn't have a clue, much less clarity when it comes to foreign affairs. He says what he thinks his audience at the time wants ot hear. The man is a sycophant, charlatan, totally naive, dangerous and a racist. His only vision of the world, is his candidacy and "The New Black Society" for America. He is perhaps the worst candidate in history. His audacity and hubris is more than most voters can stand. As so many have state, "he is an emporer with no clothes".

    Posted By: josemarti @ 07/21/2008 10:05:53

    DITTO

    • Posted By: MNDBE @ 07/21/2008 1:03:11 PM

      Comments like these make me think that you never actually even read the article you are commenting on. Your comments are responding to things that aren't even in the article. You basically will hate Obama no matter what he says or does, no matter what is written about him, right? It makes me wonder why you continue to read coverage of him.

      It says something when a candidate gets positive coverage and readers like you indict the media for "bias" or "love fests" - so you're saying you'd only trust the media if they reported negatives (that agree with your world view). I guess for you, there can be no good candidate, or maybe there can be no good traits or positions from any candidate outside of your party or ideaology.

      That's really your perogative, of course. You can use your vote to reinforce your narrow definition of what a good candidate is as long as you want. My hope for our sakes is that the rest of us outweigh your sad little opinion and that candidates and parties stop pandering to the likes of you just out of common sense.

      • Posted By: Galasso @ 07/21/2008 9:23:16 PM

        Here's a news flash for you. People respond not only to the article but to the tenor of the other responses generated by this article. This is especially true of subjective conclusions like Zakaria is prone to publish. Regarding your comment "positive coverage" - Howard Kurtz was on CNN today with some very insightful facts - newspapers and magazines are front paging and using Obama on the cover with a ratio of four to one compared to McCain. Today the NY Times rejected a counter op ed piece by the McCain campaign that was a rebuttal to the one from the Obama side. The reason that some people are concerned about this is that we now have a press that has more influence in the political process than ever before. You seem to be a prime example to which you so smugly referred. You are obviously on the Obama train and consider anyone who opposes your candidate unworthy to comment.

        • Posted By: MNDBE @ 07/22/2008 11:38:50 AM

          I am on the Obama bandwagon as you've guessed but you'll never see me going to a piece on McCain and just spewing out vitriol against the man regardless of the contents of the article. The man has risen to the top of his party - even though it's not mine, it is an impressive accomplishment and requires a great deal of ambition and patriotism.

          Same with our current president, I think his presidency has been a disaster and completely disagree with most of his policy choices, but I respect that at some point in his life, he looked in the mirror and said "I can lead this country." That takes guts and dedication and anyone who thinks you can take that on while "hating America" I think is just playing propaganda.

          My issue isn't with people being allowed to comment - my issue is with replying to an article that goes into detail about specific policy points and replying with only cookie-cutter, propaganda hatred. I think it degrades our political process.

          I appreciate your current beef with the press - I really do. That has to be frustrating. I get disgusted with the real "love fest" pieces too, but this piece actually went into depth on policies and historical analysis. I just think you can't discard any piece that's positive, because in this case it's positive based on analysis of position statements.

          My beef with the "press" is that it's intertwined with people on both sides who have realized that there's money in pandering to the "hate vote" (from both sides) and they've infiltrated the press (FOXnews and MSNBC for two obvious examples). I think that's where we've gone wrong. Newspapers have a separate editorial page - cable news and talk radio don't.

          • Posted By: Galasso @ 07/22/2008 2:36:26 PM

            We have 100% common ground here - well said. There are some on this site who cut and paste some very inaccurate long winded pieces on here without any connection whatsoever to the article being commented on. And most of them are not well written and are loaded with vitriol. All good points. Appreciate the courtesy in your reply. Galasso.

  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 07/22/2008 2:17:36 PM

    Well Pia have to run...talk to you later....

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/22/2008 2:23:24 PM

      Okay Z, hope to blog with you soon. Don't work too hard.

  • Posted By: DanaF @ 07/22/2008 2:14:43 PM

    How Obama sees the world is a great deal simpler than you depict it here.He sees it as a place populated by groups and individuals who, with some double talk and luck, can be manipulated into advancing his career.

  • Posted By: chindognyc @ 07/21/2008 8:46:13 PM

    Once again, I am wondering why did McCain say that at one time, he too did not love America until he was deprived of her company. No McCain supporter has answered that question. You guys were quick to jump on Michelle Obama........ Now lets talk about McCain and his anti-American comment. It shows who should become the President. At least Michelle answered to her critics. McCain is doing just like he did when it was time to vote for equal pay for women........head for the hills.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/22/2008 1:10:42 AM

      Well I remember that remark by McCain (I responded with an answer when an Obama supporter asked at the time), but I got it right away what he meant with him being a POW and all. But I can see how it can/was taken out of context by some. Michelle made a gaffe in her speech that one day and continued on to her next speech the same day and the second time around she repeated her words only adding the word Really into the statement that made it sound like she was more proud (already proud). Either way, you are right. The McCain statement vs. Michelle gaffe, the media could not get enough of what Michelle said even after she explained it to them. But do note, McCain did address any concerns about his comment right away when it started being discussed. Here is one article:

      John McCain: I really didn't love America until I was deprived of her company

      http://thedailyvoice.com/voice/2008/06/john-mccain-i-really-didnt-lov-000779.php

      In other words, you don???t realize how much you love someone or something (e.g. freedom/liberty of what the US ensures all citizens have).

      Thus the reason both of their statements were cancelled out and kind of went away (although the michelle words are more subject to interpretation first time around,without the use of Really as to being more proud) in her first of 2 speeches that day .

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/22/2008 1:15:53 AM

        In other words, one does not realize how much love they have for someone or something (e.g. freedom/liberty of what the US ensures all citizens have) until it is taken away from them. .

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/22/2008 1:32:38 PM

          sharenews, I do agree with you on this.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 07/21/2008 9:18:45 PM

    Hispanics unite. Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Dominicans, and all other Hispanics unite. Remember your values. Look at the Democrats and what they breed. Crime, immorality, bad schools, poverty, dependence on the government, nihilism, disentigration of families. A specter is haunting America. The specter of Obamanism.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/21/2008 10:13:02 PM

      josemarti, you come here and spread hate. That's all.

      • Posted By: josemarti @ 07/21/2008 11:08:50 PM

        Dear Pia1981. Open your eyes. Look at what years of affiliation with the Democratic Party has done for African Americans and Hispanics. Democrats do not want our communities to develop, to grow. They want us to remain dependent on them. They only allow sycophants to emerge as leaders in our communities. Can you name a single Hispanic leader that has been able to emerge as an independent voice in this country? They want us to remain poor and uneducated. Education exposes us to different ideas. Let us unite. Let us unite with Mccain. The Democratic Party remains the party of Jefferson that elitist, slave owning, hypocrite.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/22/2008 1:31:30 PM

          Josemarti, tell me what the Reps and Bush have done for the Hispanics within the last 8 years? Why wait for McCain? I'm not a Bill Clinton supp. but I will agree with one day that those 8 years under Bill Clinton were the most prosperous.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 07/22/2008 10:49:43 AM

          Don't forget McCain has been a friend to the Latino community for 26 years.....not 1 year like the other guy.

      • Posted By: josemarti @ 07/21/2008 10:35:40 PM

        Hi Pia1981. I was not telling you to go away. I was responding to the post by OnlyCureJGK.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/22/2008 1:28:06 PM

          josemarti, I never posted you told me to go away. I was defending the other person you told to go away.

      • Posted By: Davole @ 07/21/2008 11:15:06 PM

        Pia1981 -

        You accuse josemarti of spreading hate. On what do you base that conclusion?

        She has asked Latinos to unite, and to remember their values - is that hate speech?

        She has mentioned that democrats are responsible for several social problems - is that hate speech?

        Can???t a person criticize an organization without it being termed hate speech?

        Where has she expressed hatred, as opposed to criticism or even disgust?

        Maybe you owe her an apology!

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/22/2008 9:27:04 AM

          Davole, no, I don't owe josemarti an apology. She posted about Madame Defarge who loved to sit by the Guillotine and watch, on an article about Michelle Obama. Then below she posted comments about the Nazi's Crystal Night. Do you approve of that?

        • Posted By: josemarti @ 07/21/2008 11:22:30 PM

          Gracias caballero por defenderme.

      • Posted By: josemarti @ 07/21/2008 10:35:36 PM

        Hi Pia1981. I was not telling you to go away. I was responding to the post by OnlyCureJGK.

    • Posted By: Ron Paul For Pope @ 07/21/2008 10:34:49 PM

      Obama is still married to his first wife, unlike his opponent. But hey, let's the Republicans the benefit of the doubt. After all, the party that produced Larry Craig and Mark Foley can't be all bad.

      And as far as poverty goes -- the current administration inherited the greatest period of prosperity in US history, and through careful, diligent effort, turned it into the next Great Depression.

      If you're jonesing for food, medicine, and gasoline money, remember to thank the Republicans on Nov. 4.

    • Posted By: Galasso @ 07/21/2008 9:32:39 PM

      bien dicho

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 07/22/2008 1:30:26 PM

    The backlash is beginning..............Hussein is getting critisized by the MSM. Only the first...............

    In today???s National Review Campaign Spot, Jim Geraghty passes on an important exchange from the July 21, 2008, edition of CNN???s Anderson Cooper 360 between host Anderson Cooper and panelists David Gergen and Gloria Borger about presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who is making a whirlwind tour through Eurasia.

    David Gergen said:

    I think it was the first ??? Barack Obama made the first mistake of his trip, in my judgment, in releasing a statement in which he said exactly what Maliki had said in those conversations. We have a long tradition in this country that we only have one president at a time. He???s the commander in chief and the negotiator in chief. I cannot remember a campaign which a rival seeking the presidency has been in a position negotiating a war that???s under way with another party outside the country. I think he leaves himself open to the charge tonight that he???s meddling, that this is not his role, that he can be the critic, but he???s not the negotiator. We have a president who does that. So, I think the underlying facts support him, but I think it would be a real mistake ??? and I think it was a mistake ??? to get into these conversations and let it be used politically.

    When Anderson Cooper asked Gloria Borger if she agreed with Gergen, she responded:

    You know, it???s very interesting, I do agree with David. And Candy [Crowley], in her earlier piece, talked about walking the fine line between being this candidate and being presumptuous. And I think that he may just have crossed that, because, you know, it is a tradition. You don???t talk about these private conversations. And it???s not up to Barack Obama right now to negotiate troop withdrawals. It???s up to Barack Obama to be on a fact-finding mission, which is indeed what he has said he was on.

    NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 07/22/2008 7:30:23 AM

    ATTN......... ALL OBAMAMOHAMMEDS....BREAKING NEWS...HUSSEIN BIRTH CERTIFICATE FAKE...............

    Laugh it off. Ignore it. Whatever you like. THIS WILL get MSM coverage. For the entire story go to.......

    ....................... http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/forensics-expert-obama-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery

    Larry Johnson and others are going to FORCE an inquiry. Here is a snippet........

    The following report was written for TD/NQ by Techdude, who hurried to complete it after his tires were slashed and a mutilated rabbit was found hanging by his front door. He is currently working on another exclusive follow-on report.

    Who threatened Techdude, and why? And if his findings are correct, why did Barack Obama publish a fake Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) on his own website, FightTheSmears, and on DailyKos?

    Well, well, well....what's up with this??? We will all find out soon. Check out the entire investigation.

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: metzlerd @ 07/22/2008 1:09:20 PM

      Yep, we will find out soon, but here are a few clues:
      1) Inspired to hurry up and finish his report because he's mad that some crackpot tracked him down and vandalized his car, despite the fact that he won't even give his real name, and did so before this was even published.
      2) The analysis is not of original documents. It is of images where we know the process that produced the control documents. (high resolution scan.) But we don't know the process that produced the KOS image. (May have been scanned into a word document through an automated image adjusting algorithm, copied out of that to a bit map file, opened and printed from paint, mailed to somebody, rescanned through some scanner, and saved as jpg, emailed to somebody, who opened it in photoshop or some other adobe program on a mac that is used to publish web pages or whatever.)
      3) Allegedly relies on information from some computer techy, who arguably may really know little about the printing process for birth certificates, but is the only one who would talk to him.
      4) Makes the assumption that all preprinted forms are exactly the same from box to box.
      5) Assumes there is only a single printer doing all printing of birth certificates, and overlooks the concept of forms and tagging that can be included in high speed laser printers which can affect the results of some of his speculation.
      6) Since birth certificates are on record at the state, this whole thing can easily be proven, by a simple background check. You'd think that rather than relying on all this speculation about images getting transfered from print to digital in exactly the same way across scanners, somebody could just check and see if he was born at that time. Any new certificates are just printed from a database. Why not go to the source? It isn't like Republicans don't have access to that stuff.

    • Posted By: raddave @ 07/22/2008 8:39:07 AM

      You are as pathetic as the people who claim the Government were behind 9/11.

  • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 07/21/2008 11:02:56 AM

    OBAMA 317 Electoral Votes McCain 221. The end is near mouth-breathers.

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 07/21/2008 11:46:13 AM

      Neither has a single electoral vote until November

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/22/2008 1:02:30 PM

        In the elects Obama is already ahead.

  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 07/22/2008 1:01:22 PM



    "ROVEBOTS" Fools in their own skins.

  • Posted By: Mearsly @ 07/22/2008 12:19:19 PM

    Fareed, you are so obviously a water boy for Obama it makes me sick. Obama "strikingly honest"? What crap. He's a liar, an evader, and an arrogant hollow suit -- come to think of it, much like you. Typical pretentious condescension from you, and typical coverage of the Anointed One by Newsweek. Yawn.

    • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/22/2008 12:25:30 PM

      Same can be said of Andrew Romano being for McCain.

  • Posted By: jh35180 @ 07/21/2008 4:35:25 PM

    Typical of Newsweek and the mainstream media to launch their propaganda campaign for Obama. All of the Obama supporters talk about all of the change and optimism that he offers. But when we get down to real concrete issues, Obama just throws out more pie-in-the-sky rhetoric. Truthfully, I am very dubious about what Obama really does know. The presidency is not an on the job training type of job and we cannot afford to sink deeper into a hole because we elected someone who makes us "feel good." I guess what we need in this country is a royal family. All they do is sit around and look good for mindless publications such as "People" and "Access Hollywood." Obama could be the king because he is the darling. As far as a President we need someone who understands real issues and doesn't change his mind as often as he changes his socks. I realize that McCain has flip flopped as well but compared to Obama he looks more steady and credible. I know that Obama worshippers disagree, but I am sorry.

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 07/21/2008 4:55:36 PM

      There is an element of sensationalism around Obama that makes him appealing. However, we cannot be numbed into a sense of change for the sake of change. His lack of experience and his rock star appeal are concerning.

      • Posted By: raddave @ 07/21/2008 4:59:21 PM

        Why is his rock star appeal concerning?

        • Posted By: News and Notes @ 07/21/2008 5:18:16 PM

          Because it could persuade people who aren't familiar with his policies to vote for him anyway

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/21/2008 8:31:29 PM

            Ridiculous. Sounds like jealousy because Obama is popular.

            • Posted By: News and Notes @ 07/22/2008 9:59:55 AM

              waaaaaaaaaaaaay off the mark on that assessment. Popular? This isn't a popularity contest

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/22/2008 12:25:26 PM

                Please. Obama is the popular candidate both here at home and abroad. Not even the Rep. party is excited about McCain.

          • Posted By: raddave @ 07/21/2008 9:37:05 PM

            Ignorant people will vote for both candidates

      • Posted By: josemarti @ 07/21/2008 5:14:03 PM

        Yes. There is a tremendous amount. I wonder who much of this is bias and how much is it the fact that his is such a compelling story.

  • Posted By: votenic @ 07/22/2008 12:24:58 PM

    And the 2008 Vice President poll at http://www.votenic.com says it all. You won't believe these results!

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 07/22/2008 12:48:39 AM

    John McCain seriously violated the Military Code of Conduct by trading "military information" and making numerous public statements that appeared favorable to the communist war effort in exchange for "special treatment."

    The Code: Consisting of six articles in simple language, the United States Military Code of Conduct orders American military personnel to resist capture at all cost and if captured; to attempt to escape, to give the enemy no information other than name, rank, serial number and date of birth, to take charge if senior, to obey orders of the seniors, to accept no favors from the enemy and to make no written or oral statements disloyal to the United States.


    In the original writing, the Code was declared the definitive code specifying the responsibilities of American military personnel while in combat or captivity.

    The Code holds U.S. prisoners of war responsible to protect--at whatever cost--the cause for which the United States stands by continuing to carry on some form of resistance with the enemy. The establishment of the Code of Conduct was the result of what was considered in 1955 an embarrassing high number of U.S. servicemen held prisoner during the Korean War who apparently did little to resist collaborating with the enemy.

    • Posted By: Donbury @ 07/22/2008 1:18:30 AM

      Omaar: And you were at the Hanoi Hilton? How come I don't take you seriously? Is it because you sound like a propaganda hack? Here's some big news for you. McCain has a mole on his right buttock. Maybe you can expand that into a full page comment.

      • Posted By: raddave @ 07/22/2008 12:16:52 PM

        No one takes Omaar seriously, even us "liberals" he just copies and pastes from other "sources" and he posts the same things over and over again.

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 07/22/2008 9:49:50 AM

      There are plenty of ways to criticize McCain, but criticizing his military record will ilkely backfire

    • Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/22/2008 9:34:32 AM

      Quote: "John McCain seriously violated the Military Code of Conduct by trading "military information" and making numerous public statements that appeared favorable to the communist war effort in exchange for "special treatment."

      This is pure nonsense. As mentioned above, you weren't there. Then again, if you were your picture would probably be hanging in the Vietmam war museum.

    • Posted By: Davole @ 07/22/2008 5:24:42 AM

      Omaar -

      You talk so bravely - I'm really impressed.

      If only you were there, instead of John McCain.
      I'm sure that the Viet Cong would have all surrendered instead after you would have convinced them that it would be unfair for them to inflict any torture on you.

      Oh, by the way, was John McCain court-marshalled for his supposed breach of military discipline?

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