President Bush, who???d been opposed to any timetable for removing American forces from Iraq, reached an agreement with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to set a ???general time horizon??? for a withdrawal.
The World supports Obama vision too.....John MCCain you're all alone by yourself.... sorry Grandpa you're out-dated in everythings.
???It???s a devastating blow to the McCain campaign ??? not just that Maliki moved to Obama???s position but that Bush did as well,??? said Richard Holbrooke, a former United States ambassador to the United Nations for the Clinton administration.
Obama Abroad
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Posted By: Jack999 @ 07/21/2008 2:14:06 PM
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Posted By: Pete Kent @ 07/21/2008 6:34:14 AM
Another journalist with a man crush on Obama.
With 300 foreign policy advisers scripting him it is ino wonder he can make Zakaria think he is the second coming. He has been fooled like so many others on the left. Obama is like Jimmy Carter, naive and embarassed by US power and influence and this draws him right into the clutches of those naions who would bing us down.
He has taken Idiotic positions on Iran, on Pakistan and the Surge that prove that when he is let off lease he has no clue wha he is talking about. What do you expect from someone who lists "former community organizer" (what exactly is that, anywahY?) as his chief resume accomplishment?
Do not think for a moment that Obama is an idependent agent he is being manipulated by the anti-Amercian foreigner, George Soros, who has designs on world financial domination. I understand he is a big fan of the Austin Powers movies.
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Posted By: ljw54321 @ 07/21/2008 2:05:53 PM
Bush and McCain took idiotic positions on Iraq (the invasion) and Afghanistan (divert our military assets to Iraq). Obama's position on Iraq is to end the occupation a.s.a.p. and his position on Afghanistan is to prevent the Taliban from re-taking it. Obama's got it right.
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Posted By: Bass Pro @ 07/21/2008 2:03:33 PM
OBAMA 317 McCain 221 Adios to the 23%ers.
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Posted By: joe1022joe @ 07/21/2008 12:33:04 PM
There is a new religion abroad on the land. It is called the Religion Of Obama (ROO). It has an arm of the Religion called the Journalist Apostles of Obama (JAO). The JAO is made up of at least several dozen American journalists and editors employed by various media organs. The JAO, as a group and individually, are hypnotically enthralled by the ROO. They swoon over all things ROO. It is probable that while the JAO???s members are not actually in the pay of ROO, they do expect to be repaid for their loyalty several times over by the access to ROO to be granted them should ROO triumph in November. What???s next? A rumor is circulating that the Book of ROO is about to be published. Can???t wait.
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Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 07/21/2008 2:03:04 PM
Such rubbish.
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Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/21/2008 12:39:08 PM
Give me a break. You sound about as exciting as the guy talking about cutting wings off of butterflies. See above statement. =)
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Posted By: lee226 @ 07/21/2008 12:58:36 PM
: It is not a religion, it is just that with the internet available to every individual on the planet, we may have from time to time uneducated idiots who rant and rave about politics rather than read and learn and prepare themselves for a honest debate on facts and issues.
Who are you the honest debater or a non-educated idiot. Take your pick
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Posted By: lynjs @ 07/21/2008 2:02:29 PM
Reality check. This is a different world than 40 years ago, not to mention 20 years ago. Most of the international problems that United States has encountered is due to the choices and lack of needed action made during the last 60 years.
We need to wake up and learn from our mistakes. I'm not looking for that to happen. The country and foreign policy is ran on the premise that we, the United States, know more or what's better for other countries, especially those in the Middle East, Africa and South American regions.
We need to understand that those people are the ones that live there with the consequences of the choices that we impose on them, not us. Not our people. What works for us, may not work for someone else. When the few that run the show understand that and realize that these people are not idiots because they live more simply than we do or take the words, 'brothers' keeper' more seriously than we do, we can get something done.
We need to stop dictating to other countries about their internal problems and let them handle it themselves. It's not our business. And whatever government that they come up with, respect it and deal with it.
That is what I'm looking forward from Senator Obama if he gets the Presidency. You can be tough, but you can also show some respect and dignity to these people which is long overdue given the fact we've done nothing but plunderered their countries of their resources without a care in the world. Enough already and give them the respect and dignity that they're due.
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Posted By: Omaar @ 07/21/2008 1:48:32 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/20/obama-expected-to-meet-wi_n_113933.html
General Patraeus, Barack Obama & Chuck Hagel in a Miltary Helicpter together.
In this photo released by the U.S. army, U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama, left, top U.S. military commander in Iraq, David Petraeus, center, and U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel, R-Neb, ride inside a Helicopter in Baghdad, Iraq, Monday, July 21, 2008.
Iraq's government welcomed Obama on Monday with a message of apparent Common Ground on (American Troop Withdrawal Goals: Expressing hopes that combat forces could leave by 2010. (AP Photo/Ssg. Lorie Jewell, HO)
Obama is doing Fine, he visited Afghanistan, the Most War Torn Region and now Iraq.
Note: Mccain has Not Visited Afghanistan in (2 Years) and has insulted Obama for not visiting Iraq since 2006.
Yet He Knows what the Military Needs of Afghanistan.
Last week, Barack says send 2 additional Brigades to Afghanistan, Later on McCain speeds up his Afghanistan address, by saying, to send (3 Brigades) just to supposedly counter Obama's (2 Brigade Request)
Mccain: "I Know How to Win Wars"
What Military Strategies has McCain Concieved, Created and Joint Cheifs of Staff have Implemented and were Military Successful, in Wars involving the USA ?
Ans: NONE !!!
John McCain and his Semi-Senile Delusions of War Success with McCain as a Military Genious.
It has Never Happened or Ever Existed...
Just like Mccain being a "War Heroe"
The Czech Republic is Still Czechoslavakia to Mccain.
The Shia & Sunni are Al Queda, Not Muslim Extremist crossing the Iran-Iraq Border, causing havoc, they are all the same to McCain.
Not to mention the Pakistan-Iraq Border, when it is actually the Aghanistan-Iraq Border.
McCain knows his Middleast land layout well, for a man who would aspires to be President.
Obama has done a Great Job of ignoring his Town hall Meetings, where he continues to Discredit himself, without Obama's help.
The Closest McCain could get to attracting a Large Crowd, was yesterday at the NY Mets Game !!
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Posted By: old scout @ 07/21/2008 1:36:16 PM
Obama is thinking like a mediator. It is not always an argumentative position that means the most in a dispute.. Postitions can change. It is the underlying interests of the parties that must be discovered. Once those are known and acknowledged progress toward solutions can be made. He is right that the basics are the first concerns of every society, food, shelter, security. But through it all runs the deep need for a sense of control over ones own circumstances and the necessity of preserving one's dignity (the respect of others.) It is truly impressive that he sees these truths and applies them to his view of international relations. The more I learn about him, the more I believe that he will make a great president.
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Posted By: TCAM053 @ 07/20/2008 6:44:25 PM
Call him what you will! I call him...BLESSED & HIGHLY FAVORED!!!!!! OBAMA for President 2008!
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Posted By: loriw @ 07/20/2008 7:38:24 PM
People who call Obama the messiah and make comparison of him to Jesus Christ make me very nervous.
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Posted By: chindognyc @ 07/20/2008 8:52:51 PM
Loriw, he is the second coming. Obama is Jesus Christ. He will save us. loriw, you really need to wake up.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 07/20/2008 11:43:20 PM
Now THAT is downright scary. Keep drinking the juice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U-
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/21/2008 1:35:12 PM
Z and share, chin is being sarcastic. Get it?
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 07/20/2008 10:03:07 PM
You really are off the deep end.
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Posted By: mrzoid @ 07/20/2008 7:44:43 PM
Did it make you nervous when GW Bush said god told him that he wanted him to be president?
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Posted By: josemarti @ 07/20/2008 6:49:50 PM
Barack means blessed does it not?
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Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 07/20/2008 6:48:03 PM
HOORAY, me too!!! Good luck and bon voyage to Obama and his family.
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Posted By: kirt @ 07/21/2008 1:07:08 PM
Iraq has had a long history of being dominated by outside Countries via Turkey, Iran and even Syria. To think Obama plan is soft is silly it is reality. Iraq wants assurance that the US want stay past 2010 and dominate them forever. If Iraq is to make it as a new democratic goverment she must find her own national identity.
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Posted By: raddave @ 07/21/2008 1:34:25 PM
Syria and Iran have never dominated Iraq. The Iraqi Govt. is now saying that they want us out by as early as 2010.
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Posted By: midnight05 @ 07/20/2008 7:13:39 PM
Obama is intelligent. He is not ideologically driven, His view of the world is not the Manichean dualism between good and evil that characterizes the evangelical George Bush/John McCain nexus. He is not likely to urge the Israelis to attack Iran to bring on Armageddon and the Second Coming. He is not likely to set up a sitatuion that favors HAMAS, either. He has confidence in himself and can stand up to world leaders, young as he is. I am really impressed with him.
I am not impressed with McCain. He needs Joe Lieberman to tell him the difference between Sunni and Shia -- three times in three days. He listens to Hagee (before throwing him over the rails. He has neocon advisors. This is disconcerting.-
Posted By: loriw @ 07/20/2008 7:28:35 PM
With all due respect what do we really know of Sen. Obama's ability to negotiate, much less with world leaders? What things has he negotiated in the past that would lead one to your same conclusion?
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Posted By: lee226 @ 07/20/2008 7:35:49 PM
And what has McCain negotiated ?
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/21/2008 1:33:53 PM
Not a thing and he's had 20+ years to do so.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 07/20/2008 7:41:50 PM
She asked you first . . . : - )
http://www.bigdancelist.com/chickens.html
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Posted By: sharenews @ 07/20/2008 7:36:17 PM
Now THIS is downright scary!
OBAMA SAYS: Dont tell me words dont matter!
OBAMA WORDS: Iran, Cuba, Venezuela -- these countries are TINY compared to the Soviet Union. They DONT pose a serious threat to us!
TWO Days later . . .
OBAMA WORDS: Iran is a GREAT threat! Iran is a GREAT threat (REALLY)! Iran is a GREAT threat (I AM NOT KIDDING HERE)!
WHAT does Obama really believe?? What are we supposed to think if he tells us words DO matter and he flip flops on such a major belief issue??.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lx-QcstDcU-
Posted By: lee226 @ 07/20/2008 8:02:42 PM
We need contest please. Iran is not a threat now but it could become one in my opinion.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 07/20/2008 9:01:34 PM
Here is a good article to read presented by the AIPAC, the committee that both candidates have spoken to during their campaigning. I thought it was pretty informative:
AIPAC
The American Israel Public
Affairs Committee
America???s Pro-Israel Lobby
April 1, 2008
THE IRANIAN THREAT
The Iranian regime continues to defy repeated international demands to halt its pursuit of a nuclear weapons capability. Iran is reportedly testing an advanced P-2 centrifuge, which is capable of enriching uranium, the key fuel for nuclear weapons, at two to three times the speed of older models. The head of U.S. intelligence Mike McConnell said in February that Iran could probably produce enough fissile material for a nuclear weapon by AS EARLY AS 2010! As Iran continues to reject international demands to suspend its nuclear program, the need for increased international pressure on Tehran grows. Below are frequently asked questions about Iran???s nuclear program and current efforts:
Full article with FAQs: http://www.aipac.org/Publications/AIPACAnalysesFAQs/FAQs_-_The_Iranian_Threat.pdf
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Posted By: Ron Paul For Pope @ 07/21/2008 1:28:04 PM
Maliki endorsed Obama's plan. AFTER McCain's numerous visits on the taxpayer's dime. Seems to me like Obama's got a better grip on reality.
And if you think, "Hey, Maliki can go to hell. We call the shots there," then great. Go down to your local recruiter and enlist for the next 1000 years. If you treat the Iraqis like that, 100 years sounds like starry-eyed optimism.
If Obama really wants to treat others with "dignity", I say good. If you acted like George W. in your personal life, you would get beat down, thrown in jail, or shot to death. It is, again, the most obvious realism to treat others with the sobriety and respect that you want for yourself.
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Posted By: 4carol @ 07/21/2008 1:14:57 PM
When some of you GOP start to discuss the issues instead of always slamming (where you sound just like MCCain 'cause that's all he does) or making up jibberish; you just might get some decent response to your posts!!!
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Posted By: jeffery_yoder @ 07/21/2008 1:14:47 PM
All these "experience" folks are naive to say the least! The current administration has more experience than any admin I can recall and look how they have driven us in the ground like our CEOs do businesses.
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Posted By: chuckhasker@yahoo.com @ 07/21/2008 12:54:32 PM
Obama is still the new boy on the block. He talks a good game but he lacks substance from experience. He can give grand speaches and speak kindly of and mention names like Dean Acheson, George Kennan and Reinhold Niebuhr till the chicken cries, " the sky has fallen." Because words without deeds are just idealistic words. Chuck Hasker
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Posted By: lee226 @ 07/21/2008 1:05:19 PM
You may want to go to his site to look at the list of accomplishment both in the illinois senate and bills in the united states senate.Most of us who support him are aware of his accomplishment and why he is the best candidate...so help yourself because your ignorance is revealing.
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Posted By: 4carol @ 07/21/2008 1:01:35 PM
The only trouble with your statement is that you want to indicate that McCain has experience. In What???
He has no more experience in high-level government decision making that Obama!!
And worse, is the many times he has voted AGAINST issues to benefit our brave men and women who are fighting this horrible unneeded war!!
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Posted By: ljw54321 @ 07/21/2008 1:00:09 PM
Jack999...nice writing.good points, well made
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Posted By: joe1022joe @ 07/21/2008 12:23:38 PM
There is a new religion abroad on the land. It is called the Religion Of Obama (ROO). It has an arm of the Religion called the Journalist Apostles of Obama (JAO). The JAO is made up of at least several dozen American journalists and editors employed by various media organs. The JAO, as a group and individually, are hypnotically enthralled by the ROO. They swoon over all things ROO. It is probable that while the JAO???s members are not actually in the pay of ROO, they do expect to be repaid for their loyalty several times over by the access to ROO to be granted them should ROO triumph in November. What???s next? A rumor is circulating that the Book of ROO is about to be published. Can???t wait.
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Posted By: lee226 @ 07/21/2008 12:55:28 PM
It is not a religion, it is just that with the internet available to every individual on the planet, we may have from time to time uneducated idiots who rant and rave about politics rather than read and learn and prepare themselves for a honest debate on facts and issues.
Who are you the honest debater or a non-educated idiot. Take your pick.
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Posted By: Jack999 @ 07/21/2008 12:50:41 PM
The political leadership of Europe exists at the will of the people of their respective countries. If an American President is popular with the people of Europe it makes it much easier to gain the assistance of European governments for NATO and American initiatives.
More NATO troops in Afghanistan?
More international help in Darfur?
If we want to gain real international coalitions in curbing terror or stopping genocide it is far easier if the people of democratic countries are supportive of our President.
European leaders have to meet with US Presidents but the people don't have to turn out to see a Presidential candidate. The fact that they will is an incredibly powerful image and statement that gives a clear signal to the German, French and British leadership that the folks who elect them are not going to toss them our if they suppor any intitiative supported by Obama.
This isn't about some selfish rock star bullshit. It's about an uncommonly well informed electorate turning out to show support for an uncommonly popular US politician. It is a stark contrast with John McCain and Republicans.
US arrogance really pisses off Europeans and Obama's willingness to address the German, French and British people - to visit with them and speak to them directly is not only advisible - it is imperative.
I can't believe anyone would see this as a negative outside of reactionary Republicans who should rightfully be scared shitless of how powerful this move is. McCain couldn't fill a beer garden with free beer and a polka band.
Republicans 2 things to offer What to FEAR and Who to BLAME
WHEN G.W. BUSH CREATED THOUSAND DEMOSTRATION PROTESTERS ON STREETS OF EUROPE.JOHN MCCAIN THE STREET IS NON EXISTENCE AS HE JUST A NORMAL TOURIST IN EUROPE.
OBAMA TRIP ,EUROPEANS CHEERS HIM UP !!!!!......WHAT A STARK CONTRAST.....THE VATICAN BELL RINGS VERY LOUD IN EUROPE FOR OBAMA. AS USA PRESIDENT.
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Posted By: ChoCho @ 07/21/2008 12:34:38 PM
Once Obama decides when he wants to head to the middle and flip flop some more. Then preach about it and "charm" his way through it, people will have had enough like I have already had. He lacks experiences and will be putting an advisory board on so big that your tax money will be going towards his learning curve and not toward saving social security. He did not keep or threw away his Senate agendas? Took money from special intrest groups and said he is for reform of government fund raising? I don't have a Harvard education, but I do know that when cut the wings off a butterfly all you have is a worm.
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Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/21/2008 12:37:49 PM
Actually when you cut the wings off a butterfly, you have a wingless butterfly. Nuff said about your statement.
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Posted By: Skypoint @ 07/21/2008 12:42:02 PM
More empty rhetoric for the Empty Suit.
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Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/21/2008 12:47:09 PM
Take that back, butterflies don't even begin as worms, they are caterpillars. Why am I arguing this point? because you have no argument. This is too funny.
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Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/21/2008 12:45:12 PM
Actually it's a true statement.
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Posted By: Jack999 @ 07/21/2008 12:40:33 PM
The political leadership of Europe exists at the will of the people of their respective countries. If an American President is popular with the people of Europe it makes it much easier to gain the assistance of European governments for NATO and American initiatives.
More NATO troops in Afghanistan?
More international help in Darfur?
If we want to gain real international coalitions in curbing terror or stopping genocide it is far easier if the people of democratic countries are supportive of our President.
European leaders have to meet with US Presidents but the people don't have to turn out to see a Presidential candidate. The fact that they will is an incredibly powerful image and statement that gives a clear signal to the German, French and British leadership that the folks who elect them are not going to toss them our if they suppor any intitiative supported by Obama.
This isn't about some selfish rock star bullshit. It's about an uncommonly well informed electorate turning out to show support for an uncommonly popular US politician. It is a stark contrast with John McCain and Republicans.
US arrogance really pisses off Europeans and Obama's willingness to address the German, French and British people - to visit with them and speak to them directly is not only advisible - it is imperative.
I can't believe anyone would see this as a negative outside of reactionary Republicans who should rightfully be scared shitless of how powerful this move is. McCain couldn't fill a beer garden with free beer and a polka band.
Republicans 2 things to offer What to FEAR and Who to BLAME
G.W.Bush visted Europe,he created thousand of Demostration Anti -American sentiments,John MCain nobody CARES......Obama All Europe is going to cheers him up....STARK CONTRAST...does this Rings the Vatican Bell ?
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Posted By: babelfisher14 @ 07/20/2008 7:34:48 PM
The entire point of America, ben nevis, is that we don't HAVE a king. That was why we fought for independence in the first place.
But when it comes to leadership, Obama is light years ahead of McCain. McCain doesn't have anywhere TO lead us, because just wants to keep doing what's already been tried and failed.-
Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 07/20/2008 7:59:30 PM
Obama... leading??? Talk is not leadership! He needs three network anchors to attend him over seas to keep his campaign propped up!He's usurping the authoriy and responsibility of pentagon leaders in is specific time table and intentions blabbed to the public, which a responsible leader WOULD NOT DO! His hope is in DNC operatives Swifting Boating McCains' Nam service and that is not turning out to be the poison dart.
His Party has incredibly low approval for it's "leadership" in the Congress.Obama is the personification of tried and failed in a party of failed tryers! This trip may not produce any improvement in his standing in the race,and may even trigger a slump.-
Posted By: raddave @ 07/21/2008 12:37:10 PM
Pentagon leaders do not have the authority to set a time line. The Commander-in-Chief dictates policy
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Posted By: chindognyc @ 07/20/2008 8:47:55 PM
Once again, can you talk about something that makes sense?
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Posted By: mrzoid @ 07/20/2008 8:09:46 PM
I dont mind all of your points, but you appitamize whats wrong with political discourse in this country. Like i said, most of your points are factual, not all, but alot. However, Al-Malaki came out and said that he believes Obama's timeline is the correct one, and next thing you know, there is talk of a "time horizon" by an administration that vowed to never even entertain the thought. The congress has staggeringly low approval ratings, but both parties have a large segment of congressional seats, it isnt an approval rating for democrats, its an approval rating for ALL of congress. Obama is just a politician, but dont omit the fact that McCain is as well.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 07/20/2008 7:37:18 PM
What has he led . . ?
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Posted By: mrzoid @ 07/20/2008 7:46:57 PM
Harvards Law Review. What has McCain Led?
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Posted By: sharenews @ 07/20/2008 8:08:08 PM
You are kidding me, arent you? LOL. That is a nice item for ones resume. We are talking about leading the country .
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Posted By: mrzoid @ 07/20/2008 8:15:30 PM
It was a half joke. What has McCain led? that was a serious question.
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Posted By: babelfisher14 @ 07/21/2008 1:25:05 AM
He briefly led a training squadron after the Vietnam War ended. That's it. A lot of people don't seem to grasp that not everybody in the military has a leadership role.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 07/20/2008 10:02:00 PM
Don't forget that Obama didn't publish anything while a member of the Review or his subsequent "tenure" as a law "scholar" at University of Chicago.
As a constitutional scholar, I wonder how Obama thinks he can have "8-10" years in the White House if elected?
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Posted By: sharenews @ 07/20/2008 7:45:17 PM
. . . . Obama, that is.
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