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  • Posted By: wanderluster @ 07/22/2008 6:15:27 PM

    You are right Kreskin, she is being exclusive. She is exclusively talking about similarly situated people, who want to live the good life - above and beyond their means, but can only afford to because mom and dad are continuing to support them. They might be in trouble if they continue to do this. All the economists are saying the same thing to all Americans, particularly now - live within your own means.

  • Posted By: KarinaN @ 07/21/2008 5:24:31 PM

    As a parent of a young adult daughter in med school i had to roll my eyes. A young, pretty, Caucasion girl with paid-for private school education, parents to fall back on, and an uncle with a condo to crash in while she got on her feet is going to tell all of diverse America how to "grow up." All I can say: come back when you have your own young adult kids.

    I agree with the main premise that financial independence is an important component of "growing up," however, a 15-year old working full-time as a waitress can in theory live "on her own," it doesn't make her an adult. Every family is different, and every parent has different philosophy about money. I do not believe in this "sink or swim" approach. As an attorney I represent extremely wealthy clients in New York and Tokyo and none of these country club people are kicking their kids out at 18 so they can somehow "grow up" while eeking a living in the ghetto, eating dry noodles. On the contrary, the wealthy ensure their kids' financial stability with trust funds and various other devices. It doesn't seem to hinder these young adults from becoming CEOs, bankers, and doctors.

    If parents are in financial position to help their young adult kids financially, why shouldn't they? It's cheaper for me to pick up my daughter's health insurance bill than to have her get into a major accident without insurance and receive a million dollar bill from the hospital. I 'd also rather help her with part of the rent than get the call saying she's been shot or raped in her cheap appartment in a bad neighborhood. .

    If the kids are working hard (or studying hard) and doing the right thing as they start out in life, as a parent I see no reason not to help out. After all, some day when my husband and I are old we may reach out to my daughter for assistance like out elderly parents are now reaching out to us.

    • Posted By: nyc83 @ 07/22/2008 6:08:08 PM

      Last I knew, areas outside of Manhattan aren't the "ghetto" and to reference them as such is ridiculous, ignorant, and an embarrassment for this fantastic city. I think Ms. Serafino's point was that one can live at their means on their own, rather than above their means via parents help. She even mentions how if she were in a dire situation, her parents would help- unlike what you suggest, having to live in a safe area outside Manhattan hardly qualifies as dire.

  • Posted By: NYC11 @ 07/21/2008 3:38:29 PM

    This articles has clearly hit some sore spots. The tone of many of the comments written so far strikes me as very defensive, reflecting maybe an insecurity about this topic. Growing up I was constantly aware of how hard my parents had worked all of their lives to get to a point where their children could be financially comfortable, given that they had started out with very little. Much of my independence is based on having learned the value of financial safety and spending wisely from an early age. When I was in my early twenties I also saw many of my peers relying heavily on their parents' or others' support, and now many these same people today struggle constantly with their finances. So let's recap: I was never spoiled, I am now fully financially independent, and I see peers around me who struggle with their finances. Do I pat myself on the back occasionally? Yes. Do I think that I'm "special and better than everyone else" (as one comment below states)? No. And I don't think the author does either.

    This is an opinion piece based on the author's observations; it's not meant to be a sociological study. Everyone would write this article differently, but not many would take the initiative to. It also strikes me as hypocritical that the same commenters who complain about the author's generalizations have made sweeping generalizations (and personal attacks) of their own.

    • Posted By: nyc83 @ 07/22/2008 6:01:50 PM

      NYC11, well said!

    • Posted By: Coolerman @ 07/22/2008 6:24:15 AM

      Dead on! I wish I'd written your post. I agree 100% with you and share your same background and idea's. With the publishing of this article, I'm hearing for the first time the phrase "30 is the new 20" and see the how appropriate it is. Unfortunately it's a sad commentary on some of today's youth.

  • Posted By: Kreskin @ 07/22/2008 5:11:26 PM

    The comments I've made about this article are not meant to say that Ms. Serafino is a bad person. I have never met her. I only know her from this article. That's great that she volunteers in her community, it is indeed commendable...so do thousands of other people (including myself), but that's not the subject of her piece (perhaps it would have made for a better article, though). I stand by the comments that I made. What I wrote was indeed inspired by the overall tone implied and substance of her piece, accompanied by her interview on NPR, which I believe...in my opinion (which everyone is entitled to...even us "back-talkers") is shortsighted, exclusive, and generally uninformed.

  • Posted By: 0823john @ 07/22/2008 4:42:37 PM

    What Melody does not mention in her article is that she not only supports herself, but also volunteers on her own dime. She serves as a mentor to a child in need, and takes that child to the movies and on other excursions. The child's family cannot afford to pay for such trips, nor can the nonprofit agency, The Family Center (www.thefamilycenter.org), which has paired her with this child. For all her critics, it seems that Melody learned more than simply how to support herself from her parents; they also taught her how to give back to the community. And that lesson makes the whole of New York City richer -whether their parents support them or not.

  • Posted By: moog826 @ 07/22/2008 4:40:37 PM

    It seems to me that many talk-backers have missed the point of the authors article. They seem to take issue with her assuming that she is lumping anyone who takes any assistance from their parents or outside source is an equal offender, which anyone who read the substance of the article would know is not the case. She is simply offering an observation an a small albeit growing minority of twentysomethings that could otherwise take care of themselves but choose to a live a cosmopolitan lifestyle far beyond their means by having that lifestyle subsidized by their parents. She was not in anyway targeting young people who are being assisted by their parents due to overburdening student loans or other debts. People should consider that she is 1) talking about a very specific subgroup of people, 2) is not saying that what these people are doing is wrong, but rather that what they do can be personally stifling and 3) overall her main idea is about a sense of personal responsibility that comes with becoming an adult, something that any objective person should see as being a positive thing. I urge future respondents to criticize or compliment the author within the scope of the article and not make their comments about broader issues that are not the focus of the author's article.

  • Posted By: Kreskin @ 07/22/2008 4:24:49 PM

    Pardon me, I meant ilk.

  • Posted By: Kreskin @ 07/22/2008 4:12:32 PM

    (cont.) She indeed represents a fairly large part of what has ruined NYC for me as well as several thousands of other people...the infiltration of "hordes of boring, over-privileged, useless girls (alas, yes, not yet women) mobbing the city in search of martinis and investment bankers" (very well said, RPFP), raising the rent, chasing out poor/average people, local businesses, etc. As said before, NYC is losing it's flavor and it's largely in part due to people like Ms. Serafino calling what use to be considered the 'slum' or 'ghetto' by her elk as their new home (as it becomes the next, hip neighborhood). I've watched it happened and it's really sad. I've seen family run bodegas that have been in neighborhoods for half a century or more be pushed out due to exorbitant rent increases, I've watched friends who I grew up with be forced to move because they could no longer afford the rent at a place they called home for 25 years. I watched as first Avenue A was swallowed by high priced bistros, trendy bars, and high rise apartments...then the same happen on Avenues B, C and D. I predict that some of you will read this and simply say that it's part of "progress" or "urban renewal", but those phrases are purely euphemisms for throwing the poor/ average person to the curb and is akin to what happened at Chavez Ravine in Southern California or what is currently happening in San Francisco's 'Mission District'. With that said, I do realize that Ms. Serafino was 'primarily' regarding to how her and her upper crust friends live, but her insinuation that she is so much better and more responsible (don't pat yourself on the back too hard) is just annoying. She comes across as far from being grown-up or adult. She's living in a trust fund sponsored bubble, and as far as her gloating about living off of her own savings, it's a lot easier to save money when you don't have to spend it on: living, food, rent, school, loans, etc... I apologize it seems that I went off topic a bit, but it did indeed really strike a nerve. All you have to do is read between the lines. I actually subscribe to Newsweek, and am very disappointed by their decision to include this piece in their publication. I can't wait for the print issue...woo.

  • Posted By: Kreskin @ 07/22/2008 4:12:08 PM

    Firstly, kudos to RPFP, who said nearly everything I was going to say in response to the people whom actually think that Ms. Serafino's article is of any substantial value. It's true, unless you live or have lived in the REAL world with REAL people with REAL financial worries and have accumulated REAL life experiences, your understanding of how the other 90% of the population lives is completely devalued. She indeed wrote an opinion piece, but doesn't that warrant other people's opinions in response?! Isn't that the idea?! I'm not going to swallow this sugar coated trumpery as proper journalism. Part of my beef with the author is that when she was interviewed on NPR regarding this piece, she boldly made the statement that "I think everyone can manage to make it work in NY...yes maybe you have to cut back on some of the superfluous spending as I'll call it in order to sort of scrape by...". I think her definitions of both superflous and scraping by are perhaps a bit skewed. I'm not a gambling man, but I'm willing to bet that she doesn't view buying a pair of shoes without holes in them, or eating-vs-paying rent as "superfluous" nor I doubt that she has ever had to "scrape by" on surviving on ramen noodles, and bartering with the phone/electric company to keep your phone/ heat on. There's a reason that people are taking offense to her, she's completely disconnected with what so many of us had to go through just to survive, and claiming to have made major sacrifices in her life while using the phrase "scraping by" is an absolute insult to those of us who have truly had to scrape by. She went there first, she compared her situation to the common person...which she is far from with all of her help from wealthy parents/ family members and a financial safety net to fall back on. This is when I realized that she was a bit delusional. (cont.)

  • Posted By: elmlawn @ 07/22/2008 3:31:18 PM

    I'm 27. My parents allow me to live rent-free in their second home (a condo) near my graduate school so that I don't have to use the bulk of my stipend to pay housing expenses. Is there something wrong with that? Nope. They offered, and it's not a hardship. My parents inherited nothing from their parents, and my father's take has been that starting with nothing is a really tough road, one he chooses to help his children avoid. He made the money; it's his choice how to use it.

  • Posted By: Kreskin @ 07/21/2008 4:20:07 PM

    The author is far too young and inexperienced to be doling out this condescending drivel. Owning the 'Sex and The City' box-set does not qualify her as an advice columnist. It's almost as if she's living in a pretend world, all the while knowing that she can fall back on her wealthy parents if she ever needs to. This was not my reality when I lived in NYC. I worked two jobs to put myself through college, as I accrued ridiculous loans. I was not guaranteed a job out of school (welcome to REALITY) and struggled not only to pay rent, but to buy food all the while defaulting on my student loans and I lived in Brooklyn...before it was hip! I eventually moved to Manhattan, but not to Triceca or SoHo, but to Alphabet City (if the author even remembers when it was called that). I don't mean to take this too personally, and this may sound a bit harsh, but people like the author (over-privileged wealthy white kids who want to "slum it" in the city) helped to change the face of a city that I loved, into a Disneyland for a new generation of yuppies. People who's families had lived in areas for generations were literally pushed into the water, because they could no longer afford to live in what would become the "new, hip neighborhood". These people added flavor to a city that is growing increasingly bland. I could accept this if it was written by a young person who had to struggle against adversity to make it...but come on, private school (!) and staying with a wealthy uncle until you can afford to make it on your own is in stark contrast to what the author is prematurely and pretentiously promoting. I (and millions of other young people) wish I had the option of turning away money. It's not much of a risk if you know you have a safety net. I think she unwittingly summed this up in the last two sentences of her conclusion "...the adult part of me believes that working for what you have is much more rewarding than being handed it on a silver platter. And I have my own mom and dad to thank for that." This is hard to swallow, as she seems to have indeed been given everything on a silver platter. She deserves a humbling moment.

    • Posted By: K1986 @ 07/22/2008 11:47:08 AM

      It takes some character to choose to be self-sufficient, ESPECIALLY when there are other options available.(i.e. mommy and daddy) If you do it because you HAVE to, that's survival tactics... not necessarily good character. While it is applaudable to make something of nothing, you can't cheapen what the author is doing just because she went to a private school free and clear from student loans. Grow up and realize no matter how bad you had it, someone had it worse... no matter how great you did, someone did better...

  • Posted By: tom8williams @ 07/21/2008 3:30:40 PM

    It is a breath of fresh air to hear a 20-something speak out about making it on her own after college. The larger issue here isn???t about money ??? it???s about maturity. When you are on your own, making your own money, paying your own bills, you mature.

    The parents who allow their children to live at home for free, subsidize rent, pay utilities, give stipends rob their children of the most important thing in the world ??? growing up. I fear for these kids when they get married and try to make the jump from ???dependent extended adolescent??? to ???independent wife or husband???. That???s a big jump!

    My father made it very clear from my early childhood that if I decided to return home after college, there would be a timeline for my stay and I would pay rent. He was a very wise man, and I have benefited from his wisdom and instruction to this day.

    @summer4077, I also came from blue collar, paid my way and went to public university. After graduation from Ohio State I moved to Chicago and lived paycheck-to-paycheck. I couldn???t save a dime and ate a lot of Ramen noodles. It was hard. It was humbling. It was stressful. It was rewarding. It was liberating. I would change it for anything in the world.

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 07/22/2008 9:01:52 AM

      I went to OSU, too! Nice coincidence. I'm not trying to attack the author, but I think she fails to realize that her parents did indeed set her far ahead of the pack by financing her private school education. Like you, I wouldn't change my experience for the world. I have a lot of respect for myself, and my parents. I went to a private college freshman year and couldn't stand all the elitist, entitled snobs there...they just didn't get what life is about at all. They had no concept of gratitude for their substantial means and partied all the way through collge; many flunked out and stuck their parents with a $200,000+ bill.

    • Posted By: donald @ 07/21/2008 4:17:33 PM

      Thank you!

  • Posted By: Ron Paul For Pope @ 07/22/2008 7:49:37 AM

    Ms. Serafino -

    I'm sure every single mother in NYC appreciates your gumption.

    Congrats. You made NYC suddenly seem a whole lot less interesting. I imagine hordes of boring, over-privileged, useless girls (alas, yes, not yet women) mobbing the city in search of martinis and investment bankers.

    Unless you write about a stint on an Alaskan fishing boat, or picking lettuce, or anything about you learning how the world really works, I won't be looking forward to anything else from you.

  • Posted By: Ajas @ 07/22/2008 4:01:51 AM

    Wow, people think the author is a trust-fundee because she her parents paid for her education?! That's a leap, especially because I believe the entire ARTICLE was about severing ties with financial dependence coinciding with finishing her structured education.

    First, SHE wrote an article, YOU clicked the link, YOU wrote a response, and SHE got paid.
    Sceond, I don't even know what the point is, but the idea is pretty interesting. Like NYC is some bright light that draws wealthy young girls like moths to sap their strength with only some illusory benefit... ? You never know if you're worth anything til you try to be something? Or maybe, people who have money don't even try to be anything. However you look at it, don't insult the author... she gets hits.

  • Posted By: KarinaN @ 07/22/2008 2:52:18 AM

    As a 24-year-old struggling to pull myself through law school I wholeheartedly agree that financial independence is a vital component to maturing and becoming responsible. Still, it's easy to see why so many people on here are annoyed at this article. It's good to be opinionated, but if you want people to take your opinion seriously (rather than roll their eyes in annoyance) you need to show the reader that your opinion is based on something more substantial than shallow observation of some hypothetical friends. The author makes it sound like the biggest problem facing our age group is inability to abstain from charging Gucci shoes on daddy's credit card. Maybe that's the case with the author's friends, but for most young adults in America that's not the reality. Also, the author goes out of her way to pat herself on the back for being financially independent, while arguing that "those other people" are getting everything handed to them on a silver platter. She is totally oblivious to the fact that from other people's perspective she is exactly one of those "silver platter" people she is preaching against.

  • Posted By: Nico00 @ 07/21/2008 8:55:32 PM

    Umm...normal people are forced to be financially independent right out of high school. I wouldn't call having your parents pay for your college and being able to live in an uncle's house for free to "save" the normal life...You, my dear are yet another trust funder just the type of person you claim to be against.

  • Posted By: reese1001 @ 07/21/2008 7:31:01 PM

    As a 23-year-old living in New York without help from a parent, I had to roll my eyes when I read this column and listened to Ms. Serafino on NPR. She is writing about a very elite, very small percentage of twenty-somethings who largely, I'm guessing, come from the same elite social class that allowed Ms. Serafino to be put through private school her whole life. If she hadn't been well-educated and lucky to have parents wealthy enough to give her all the best early on, she wouldn't be in the position she's in now to be proselytizing about the importance of self-sufficiency.

  • Posted By: Kreskin @ 07/21/2008 4:20:26 PM

    The author is far too young and inexperienced to be doling out this condescending drivel. Owning the 'Sex and The City' box-set does not qualify her as an advice columnist. It's almost as if she's living in a pretend world, all the while knowing that she can fall back on her wealthy parents if she ever needs to. This was not my reality when I lived in NYC. I worked two jobs to put myself through college, as I accrued ridiculous loans. I was not guaranteed a job out of school (welcome to REALITY) and struggled not only to pay rent, but to buy food all the while defaulting on my student loans and I lived in Brooklyn...before it was hip! I eventually moved to Manhattan, but not to Triceca or SoHo, but to Alphabet City (if the author even remembers when it was called that). I don't mean to take this too personally, and this may sound a bit harsh, but people like the author (over-privileged wealthy white kids who want to "slum it" in the city) helped to change the face of a city that I loved, into a Disneyland for a new generation of yuppies. People who's families had lived in areas for generations were literally pushed into the water, because they could no longer afford to live in what would become the "new, hip neighborhood". These people added flavor to a city that is growing increasingly bland. I could accept this if it was written by a young person who had to struggle against adversity to make it...but come on, private school (!) and staying with a wealthy uncle until you can afford to make it on your own is in stark contrast to what the author is prematurely and pretentiously promoting. I (and millions of other young people) wish I had the option of turning away money. It's not much of a risk if you know you have a safety net. I think she unwittingly summed this up in the last two sentences of her conclusion "...the adult part of me believes that working for what you have is much more rewarding than being handed it on a silver platter. And I have my own mom and dad to thank for that." This is hard to swallow, as she seems to have indeed been given everything on a silver platter. She deserves a humbling moment

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