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  • Posted By: Lindzlou @ 07/29/2008 2:04:18 PM

    I agree totally with this article. It has meant so much more to me to pay for my own university education and not accept any money from my parents. Sure, I'm not wealthy, but I feel confident knowing that I am completely independent. I, like Ms. Serafino, have many friends that receive money from their parents or have their entire education paid for, and it's wrong. Like she says, how are we ever supposed to gain financial independence if we're still in our twenties and haven't cut the apron strings yet?

  • Posted By: el duderino @ 07/29/2008 10:14:15 AM

    I agree with the Ms. Serafino, it is important to get out on your own, be financially independent, and learn to live on a budget. That being said, I think Ms. Serafino is selling our generation short. I am 23 and financially independent from my parents. They put me through college and helped me learn about managing money by setting me up with a credit card when I was 20. I did not go on spending sprees, and using the card taught me to keep track of my expenses. I used to the card for necessities only because I believe my parents were doing enough by paying for school. Since I graduated, my credit card has been completely in my name and I pay all of the bills. I don't live in Manhattan; I live outside because it is cheaper. I keep a budget and mange to save a little money each month. Similarly, all of my friends from college are independent from their parent's purse strings. Ms. Serafino's friends are not great examples of our generation, and perhaps she should think about looking outside her social circle for examples of what???s normal. If she looks beyond her friends she detailed for this article, Ms. Serafino will find her habits are not unusual. I think that Ms. Serafino, my friends, and I are a better representative sample of our generation.

  • Posted By: bNt2005 @ 07/28/2008 4:07:31 PM

    A college education is what you make of it. I know plenty of people that attended well-respected private institutions and ended up doing nothing more than working part-time hoping their resume surfaces among the countless others in the same position looking for jobs. 75% of the college experience does not come from the classroom but from the social experience and personal growth. That being said, graduating from a private institution by no means garauntees immediate and lucrative job placement...being well-rounded, mature and driven contributes just as much, if not more. Many people put themselves through college and that is to be commended as not everyone has to live with the burden of debt on that level at such a young age. At the same time, are private OR publicly schooled young adults supposed to apologize for their parents' success and ability to provide a college education for their children? Of course not. Anyone who suggests otherwise is blinded by bitterness and insecurity. When it comes down to it, this well-written and insightful article brings to light a discussion that I'm sure we have all had amongst friends or coworkers, etc. at one point or another. This is strictly a opinion peice written by Melody and clearly many of you have missed that simple point. Personal attacks on the author merely serve to 'stroke' your own ego (not to name names but I AM talkign to you Kreskin) so think twice before accusing someone of something you are guilty of yourself.
    All in all, very well written and throughtful article, keep up the good work! Go QU Football!!!

  • Posted By: Rosco4630 @ 07/25/2008 9:12:56 AM

    I applaud her efforts to be self reliant; but find it a little obnoxius that she at 25 would have the gaul to tell others how to raise thier kids and live thier lives. Everyone's situation is different. She got a 50K education up front, if others don't have that option and have to go to a state school that doesn't get them a 6 figure job allowing them to "pay thier own bills" it is not her place to snub them. I doubt if she had a 50K loan (which iit would be MUCH more 50K is just tuition not living expenses for 4 years) she would be "living on her own".
    We all have different advantages and disadvantages in life, whether it be fiancial support from our parents or the character only gained through doing things on your own. Our responsibilities as adults is to do AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH WHAT WE HAVE! If your lucky enough to get the silver spoon enjoy it and then use it to make yourself and others around you better.

    • Posted By: goldtoke @ 07/25/2008 9:22:29 AM

      totally agree with you,, this kids arogance is repulsive

      • Posted By: WaylonBryson @ 07/27/2008 8:41:43 AM

        Posts like yours are far more arrogant than anything to be found in Miss Serafino's essay. You pass judgments on her that only demonstrate your own failure to understand her argument. To pass public judgment without utilizing your faculty of reason and to present far reaching assumptions about a person's character as if they were common knowledge are the hallmarks of arrogance. Your posts betray not only your hypocrisy, but also your complete lack of critical awareness. She is not making universal claims or even faulting people who live with their parents to gain a footing, as demonstrated by the fact that she admits that she herself benefited from both her education and stayed with relatives while getting herself financially stable. Her argument is obviously and explicitly targeted to those who, like her, do have the economic ability to get buy without their parent's backing. I am curious, what is so threatening to you about her article that you feel the need to launch a polemic against it?

        • Posted By: WaylonBryson @ 07/28/2008 2:48:03 AM

          Apologies for all the question marks. I am on a computer in Japan and apparently there is some kind of scripting errors. With the exception of a couple hyphens they should all be apostrophes.

    • Posted By: Jahzara @ 07/25/2008 9:40:51 AM

      EXACTLY!!!!!! That was the point I was trying to make. Some of those who get help from parents do so because of what they need. Having more than 30K in student loans is a serious damper on the paycheck. I hope, for her sake, the writer never has a setback that requires her to get assistance. Her poor little ego may not be able to handle it.

  • Posted By: welllife @ 07/24/2008 5:09:00 PM

    i think the girl/"woman" who wrote this has a highly sexist viewpoint. she may not have done it intentionally, but by interviewing only females and using "shopping sprees" as a touchstone for this dependent behaviour, she has made it into a strictly female behavior. SHAME ON YOU! i know many, many females who are independent--both emotionally and financially--and many men who are not. the "phenomenon" as you call it is not so one-sided. also, if all of your friends are in that dependent position, and you're going to be so condescending towards them about it, maybe it's time you quit pretending to be their friend and go find someone whose values are more closely aligned with your own. I have been paying for everything for myself (college tuition and boarding included, thank you very much ms. "I'm so not priveledged but i had a free apartment in TriBeca and free ride through college..."--way to be hypocritical, but that's a whole other topic), and yet I don't feel that gives me the right to be so judgemental, labeling, or SEXIST as this author. Also, from the perspective of a magazine writer myself, she needs work on her writing skills, I must say. What a poor excuse for a "news" article.

    • Posted By: WaylonBryson @ 07/28/2008 2:38:51 AM

      Point of journalistic fact: this isn't a "news" article... hence why it is written from the author???s personal perspective. I am surprised that someone who claims a journalism background would make so obvious of a mistake ???even high school journalists can distinguish between op-ed pieces, feature stories, and news stories. I've read a lot of amusing responses to this article but the charge of "sexist" is definitely the most outlandish. Perhaps you believe Miss Serafino should have done some statistical polling to make sure her references to friends and family matched the demographic makeup of New York? Look up the word ???eisegesis???, and consider the meaning carefully.
      Also, I didn???t know that friendship meant that you had to agree with and condone 100% of your friends??? actions. Giving advice, and speaking your mind with your friends, even when they might not like it, is something friends do for one and other. Only sycophants and two-faced cowards always agree with their friends. I don't understand why it is that so many people who have had to pay for their education feel it somehow entitles them to ignore all standards of civility and take some supposed moral high-ground. As for hypocrisy, I am sure Miss Serafino is guilty of her fair share, but you demonstrate far more of it with far fewer words. I especially like the irony, and I dare say hypocrisy of, how you drop the lines about paying for everything yourself, follow it by saying it doesn???t give you the right to be judgmental, and then continue to pass judgments. In fact, while looking up ???eisegesis??? you might look up ???hypocrisy??? as well because it seems that you aren???t quite clear on the meaning. Get real, and while you are doing it, you might take pause to think before demonstrating your stupidity in a public forum.

  • Posted By: Bayjb @ 07/27/2008 5:18:38 PM

    As a twentysomething woman, I find a lot of things within this article that I agree and disagree with. While others feel that she is not making broad claims on this topic to the twentysomething community, I strongly disagree with this. Going to my parents for financial help does not make me less of an adult. I agree that most twentysomethings are not financially savvy but when the focus of her article is on her catty and spoiled friends, it's tough to see where she is focusing only on one portion of this group.

  • Posted By: Bayjb @ 07/27/2008 5:11:21 PM

    I was personally offended and pissed off when I read this. As a twentysomething woman living in Chicago, I can pay my own rent, utilities and food/shopping bills with no help from my parents. It doesn't make me less of an adult to ask for help when things like medical expenses come up. To make broad generalizations about twentysomething men/women like Ms. Serafino is absolutely unfair. Maybe she just has catty and spoiled friends, who should not be labeled as the "symbol" of twentysomethings in this country.

  • Posted By: sboo_urns @ 07/25/2008 9:07:59 AM

    Disgusting. If you were worldly enough to spend time with people who are different than you (i.e. not the rich kids) you would find there are many in Generation Y who don't even expect a birthday present from their parents. These same people are also doing everything they can to make ends meet and have a comfortable life (without the security of having money in the family) and they don't act like they should be rewarded for doing so.

    Also, get off your high horse about your expensive private school education. Just because something costs more doesn't mean it's better. After all, just look how sheltered you've turned out...

    • Posted By: akr_seattle @ 07/25/2008 9:20:00 AM

      The article does not talk about every Gen Y person in every scenario. She's a specific group of young people who's parents enable them to be helpless and irresponsible. She's not talking about you. Why do you have to be so rude and negative. It's blogging and posts like yours that make me think America is becoming an ugly insenstive place. Why can't you read the article, think..hmmm this doesn't apply to me, and move on. Disgusting!!! Try being nice today.

      • Posted By: WaylonBryson @ 07/26/2008 11:08:45 AM

        Well said. It is amazing how people get attacked any time they say anything in a public sphere which does not speak to every possible hardship an individual may have faced. There is plenty to be disgusted with on this blog, and it certainly isn't Miss Serafino's article.

  • Posted By: Rennat84 @ 07/25/2008 9:41:32 AM

    You still had parents pay for your schooling... Still a spoiled typical yuppie in my opinion. I had to work my way through college with 2 jobs... And I had a job since I was 14 in high school. You never really paid your dues, so quit patting yourself on the back. Try spending every night in a 120 degree restaurant kitchen every night till midnight when you have to be up the next morning by 6am. Stay in yuppie New York where you belong.

    • Posted By: earmstr1 @ 07/25/2008 10:15:20 AM

      What about the article makes you think she didn't work through college? There are a lot of people making a lot of assumptions. Just because she went to a private school and her parents were able to pay, doesn't mean she didn't work. And why is yuppie used as such a bad word? A Young, Urban, Professional - sounds like a good thing to me. I would think we'd all want our children to be professionals and have responsible jobs after school. I don't understand the resentment and anger.

      • Posted By: WaylonBryson @ 07/26/2008 11:00:30 AM

        I couldn't agree with your post more.

  • Posted By: gfess @ 07/25/2008 10:16:10 AM

    If this person is as ignorant as she sounds, she damn well better keep her parents close by. She is at some point going to collide with reality and be completely lost!

    • Posted By: katt619 @ 07/25/2008 11:00:08 AM

      You think she's ignorant because she wants to live her own life, on her own terms, without sucking off of Mom and Dad?? I pray that MY kids are so ignorant...

      • Posted By: WaylonBryson @ 07/26/2008 10:56:12 AM

        There are quite a few ignorant comments to be found on this page -almost none of which come from Miss Serafino. A critical intellect always begins with a sympathetic ear so as to fleche out an author's intent. It is the intellectually lazy who misread an author, attack their work outside the scope of its context, and then crown their drivel with absurdly assumptive ad hominem attacks.

  • Posted By: Kemi22 @ 07/25/2008 1:48:18 PM

    GEEZ! i'm reading these comments and i'm just disgusted. I'm Nigerian living in the US and yes mummy and daddy paid for my education, and holidays and all the fun stuff in the US and all i had to do was sit in college and study HARD to get an engineering degree (and I currently work at a job I got all by myself - thank you very much). I appreciate their help, and I definitely did not have a sense of entiltlement it just so happened that God blessed us and I am truly grateful... but, I digress, to all you CRY BABIES who had to pay for your education with government provided loans and are now spreading bitterness all over this thread check this - POOR KIDS CAN'T EVEN GET LOANS TO GO TO COLLEGE IN NIGERIA... imagine the amount of smart people just wasting away, living under brudges, without a fair chance to better themselves and their society...
    so PLEASE pay off your student loans and count yourselves lucky u have a roof over your head and government programs to assisst you.
    life is not fair, some are born rich, some are born poor and more importantly some people people make their own money from scratch.
    I feel the author on her point, all over the world the rich stick together and I am happy and proud of her for accomplishing all that she has even with the silver spoon in her mouth... afterall, a lot of trust fund babies end up as druggies or worse still in sex tapes
    - Kemi

    • Posted By: WaylonBryson @ 07/26/2008 10:42:02 AM

      Your tone is a little harsh for my liking, but I agree with you in substance. I think many in America forget to put their lives into global and historical context. It is simply a matter of fact that anyone who has received a higher education should count themselves among the world's fortunate. Certainly, some of us have it easier than others, but life, let alone happiness, is not a given and we fail to count our blessings at the peril of our own souls.

  • Posted By: allgrownup @ 07/24/2008 9:00:05 PM

    You are the first generation to have this luxury as a whole. So please hold the applause. "My parents would gladly dip into their retirement fund to bail me out but, I've decided to decline...for now" is really a story? Last I heard you people were grownups. So grow up.

    • Posted By: thult33 @ 07/25/2008 10:18:38 PM

      To allgrownup: You certainly have echoed my feelings, and all in one paragraph!
      Terry, Canada

  • Posted By: p_ssed_off @ 07/25/2008 4:53:00 PM

    This article is a huge ego stroking waste of space!! The bottom line is, MS. SERAFINO WOULD NOT BE WHERE SHE IS TODAY if it wasn't for HER PARENTS PAYING FOR HER ENTIRE F-ING EDUCATION and NURSING HER ON A SILVER SPOON. SHE'S AN EGOTISTIC HYPOCRITE!!! I highly DOUBT SHE COULD MAKE IT "ON HER OWN" IN NYC if she came from the background of someone LESS FORTUNATE (90% of the US population). This is NOT REALITY and yes people who had to PAY THEIR OWN WAY (a large portion of people who attend college) ARE P*SSED OFF at someone who had her entire education PAID IN FULL by her PARENTS (and most likely still recieving a stipend to some degree) trying to dish out advice!!! Don't try to write us off as bitter or jealous because we won't swallow this PIECE OF SHITE ARTICLE without question. She believes that ANYONE can make it on their own in NYC, if they just give up the "SUPERFLOUS" spending!!! She is COMPLETELY OUT OF TOUCH and the fact that this article is appearing in Newsweek is indeed her OFFERING HER ADVICE TO MORE THAN JUST HER ELITIST FRIENDS, but to everyone who subscribes to it. If she wasn't attempting to STROKE HER EGO, she would have just done an intervention with her fellow SILVER SPOONERS!!! Yes, PEOPLE ARE P*SSED that this is trying to be passed off as LEGITIMATE JOURNALISM!!! To everyone defending her...BUY A F-ING CLUE!!! And just because we're opposed to Ms. Serafino's views DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE DEFENDING HER FRIENDS nor STILL RECIEVING $$$ FROM OUR PARENTS. It just means that we REALLY had to MAKE IT ON OUR OWN!!!!

  • Posted By: LadyV @ 07/25/2008 3:51:05 PM

    Hmmm... And what of the people driving costs up by buying homes that they will see one week out of the year as it is on Cape Cod, my home town. I am not envious of the rich, I am disgusted. I think you ought to be ashamed of the fact that you own enough property to house a thousand people and yet they remain empty year-in and year-out. There are families, hard-working, decent people, living in their cars because they cannot afford the rent where they work in the same country that we regularly see people buying thousand dollar shoes. For shame! I am all for being proud of your accomplishments, but I hope that, being as most high paying jobs benefit no one but the person working them, you practice altruism and spread your wealth around.

  • Posted By: lizzy44444 @ 07/25/2008 2:08:58 PM

    This generation (born between 1980 and 1995 or so) IS CALLED THE "BOOMERANG GENERATION", as in no time in America's history have so many kids RETURNED HOME after college, needing some form of their parents support....
    WHY? No jobs! or Full-time Jobs with WAGES SO LOW that the HIGHEST HOUSING COSTS ARE UNAFFORDABLE unless mom and dad help out or at least guarantor the loan. Why all THIS HOUSING/JOB COMPETITION? **************IMMIGRATION, both legal and illegal, causes higher housing costs and more
    JOB COMPETITION.

    WELCOME TO THE FUTURE OF AMERICA. We've added 150 million immigrants and their children to our society in the past 50 years, and wonder why are cities are so expensive and jobs so hard to get. Then blame the kids when they can't find work (substantial decent work) or pay the rent.
    Some can, some can't.


  • Posted By: lizzy44444 @ 07/25/2008 2:05:22 PM

    SINGLE PARENT HOMES... "Mommy Doesn't Like To Work".... "Daddy Took Off"... "We're poor and have 5 kids" (bright idea!)... Affirmative Action...
    CLASS RESENTMENT. Daddy drives a BMW but refuses to save money for me to go to college- so I guess I'll just take it out on the kid who's parents are RESPONSIBLE and save for their children.

  • Posted By: campy9 @ 07/25/2008 11:18:28 AM

    I moved to NY after college and only earned $22,000 in 1992. It never entered my mind to ask my parents for money. I paid off my student loans and lived in poverty. I had lots of roommates and lived in Queens. Did I have fun? Yes! My parents didn't have any financial resources, but they did love me. I'm able to manage money better than any of my friends and I am thankful I grew up the way I did. It's hard not to give my kids everything now, but I know it's for the better. No question about that in my mind.

    • Posted By: Butcheroo @ 07/25/2008 1:32:10 PM

      I'm with YOU! I moved to Chicago from Dallas expecting the same lifestyle I was accustomed to. I attended DePaul University and lived on Lake Shore and Belmont...not cheap. I quickly learned the value of a dollar and the taste of grilled cheese sandwiches and tomato soup (after rent and bills were paid). That experience taught me humility. I now am back in Dallas, and drive a BMW and own some Prada, which I bought on Ebay at a bargain. Another thing Chicagoians taught me, how to spot a bargain. By the way, I lived thier for ten years and never asked my parents for one dime. I will forever be grateful for the experience and also found out what it was to be loved for the person I am and not for what I have...now that's priceless!

  • Posted By: pink elephant @ 07/25/2008 1:08:12 PM

    To "newsfreak"...

    Why should I support you if your parent's aren't providng enough...that is what "social" programs are me supporting you with my hard earned money through taxation. You think your pay check doesn't go far enough now...imagine how much less it will cover when Obama and his Marxist cronies take 50%+ to pay for all your "social" programs. If your job doesn't support your lifestyle no matter how thrifty - you have two choices get thriftier or get another job whether its a second job or a higher paying job. Quit whining and pay your own bills all of them...like I do!

    How ironic that an article about finical independence features ads for the social program let the government (your fellow citizen) pay your way "Socialist Messiah" himself !

  • Posted By: midwest577 @ 07/25/2008 11:59:41 AM

    This problem is not new. My father had an allowance from his mother's small pension until he was 30 years old and she passed away. This decision made him the worst manager of money that I can image. I hear stories of him buying his first boat with his school loans. At the age of 54, he still rents a house, because he does not have the credit to buy. At 26, I am the most ficiely independent women you can imagine. My mother and I are very close. We have split everything 50/50 since I graduated from college. This includes vacations, diners out, entertainment and buying presents for family members I pushed myself to graduate from a private college 3 years with a 3.98 GPA to prevent the accumulation of additional school loans. The wisdom in my house (which I qualified for myself and paid my first mortgaged pmt on my 25th birthday) is your children will act as old as you treat them. The longer you treat them like spoiled children that are unable to take care of themselves, the longer they will act like children.
    We have learned a good way to spot these 'adults' is if they have never offered to pay for a dinner out with their parents unless it was a special day. We are creating a generation that no independent man or woman wants to marry.

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