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  • Posted By: Sarcasticus1 @ 07/25/2008 11:01:39 AM

    Making your own way is the characteristic of a "slef-actualized" individual. Continuing reliance on parents, with parents blessing or not, indicates lack of maturity. The age of the "dependent" will determine how close to being a true "dead-beat" a dependent is.

  • Posted By: Meliara @ 07/24/2008 7:58:48 PM

    I feel compelled to interject here. Mom and Dad handed you your education on a silver platter. If only all of us could be so lucky. While your planning your vacation around the world, the rest of us are struggling to pay off substantial student loan debt, on top of rent and everything else. I lived at home until I finished college and still graduated with debt. I no longer live with my parents, and they don't pay any of my expenses, but I have plenty of friends who need the extra help just to survive.

    • Posted By: earmstr1 @ 07/25/2008 11:00:35 AM

      No one should ever be looked down because they didn't have to pay for school with loans. A lot of parents work hard so their kids won't be saddled with such huge debts when they graduate, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I wish my parents had been able to contribute more to my education so I didn't have to live the debt, but I'm making it work. Sure I see a big difference between me and my friends that didn't have such big debt. It boggles my mind some of the things they are able to afford, but that's no ones fault, its called life. The best think you can teach your kids is how to make your own way and it sounds like her parents did just that.

  • Posted By: jsallay @ 07/25/2008 10:59:36 AM

    It's good to know that there are people like you still in the world, and very sad to know that there are people so out of touch with reality that not only do they lack an iota of financial independence, they are completely devoid of financial understanding. How can someone who has never felt an opportunity cost understand the value of a dollar - or even of their own time.
    In response to your friend that said that she would just get a loan from her parents or a husband - I was instructed many times growing up to never marry someone with such a diluted sense of money. If I were to marry such a person I would become the new 'daddy.' My money would be squandered with the same disregard with which she used her parents money. The big difference would be that I'm not as well off as her parents probably are. To her parents she is a nuisance to me she would be the cause of financial ruin.

  • Posted By: styrke @ 07/25/2008 10:56:29 AM

    No wonder so few people have a strong work ethic--why bother with hard work when mom and dad will be there to pick up the pieces? What about mom's and dad's retirement? Why would you take that away from them? It is not your parent's responsibility to pay for your college or your rent when you move out. Parents are only required to house, feed and clothe you until your 18th birthday. Then it's your turn to step up to the plate and make your own way. You can put yourself through college--you don't even have to have huge loans to do it. You just have to be smart and pro-active instead of relying on mom and dad or even worse some husband you don't even have yet...

  • Posted By: heatherczerniak @ 07/25/2008 10:51:58 AM

    There's nothing wrong with parents helping their kids get through college, but parents need to know if their child is studying and not partying. School is serious biz and a supporting parent has every right to know what their child is up to. It's easy to be careless and take things for granted when you're getting a free ride.

  • Posted By: Old Lou @ 07/25/2008 10:45:00 AM

    mmm

    • Posted By: Old Lou @ 07/25/2008 10:50:25 AM

      sorry, hit the button again my mistake

  • Posted By: darzin @ 07/25/2008 1:14:36 AM

    "Racking up $500 shopping sprees on Mommy and Daddy's credit card may have its momentary allure, but the adult part of me believes that working for what you have is much more rewarding than being handed it on a silver platter. And I have my own mom and dad to thank for that."

    You can thank them because they paid for everything up until now. You were given the silver spoon and sucked on it and you let go, so you are proud now. Were you proud when you lived at your Uncle's rent free? Were you proud when you wrote this garbage thinking, "Now I am free!" Did it ever cross your mind that 90% of American's aren't so lucky?

    Sorry, it's easy to say I live financially independent when you have 10 years of paid private education that didn't cost a dime. I am curious, where does she work and how much does she make? That has a lot to do with being financially independent as well.

    Either way, it seems like a typical Riches to Riches story. There is no tragedy and no lesson to be learned. It doesn't make you think or make you feel any differently then you did before. In reality it just makes me say, "Lucky you."

    • Posted By: earmstr1 @ 07/25/2008 10:50:16 AM

      Or course her parents paid for stuff up until now. Sure there are people that have to "grow up early" but a kid should be able to depend on the support of their parents until they are 18 for their basic needs. That's not a silver spoon. Plenty of people go to private colleges that don't come from rich families. Maybe you aren't familiar with how financial aid works, but you can make too much to qualify and not enough to foot the bill. We don't know if it was easy or difficult for her parents to pay her school. Maybe they started saving from the day she was born as my husband and I have so we can help our kids. I agree that its a fabulous start in the working world if you don't have any college debt, those loans can be so sufficating. That doesn't always make it easier though. A lot of people seem to be missing the point of the story - there are a lot of young people, my younger siblings included and a lot of their friends, that expect mom and dad to be there to hand gas money,etc. Needs and wants are two different things and I believe her intention is to point that is a part of the financial responsibility she sees her peers not getting. Check you're anger people.

  • Posted By: fullofideas @ 07/25/2008 10:48:58 AM

    I also wonder what is Generation Y learning? I was not born to a family with money or connections, but I do not any money from my parents. After attending college I had to make my own way. I had to find a place to live, start paying loans back, and was unemployeed in my field. I had to work 3 full time jobs and prayed that I would not get sick and miss a day. At one point I even put groceries on a credit card, but I never-never
    asked my parents for THEIR money and I never stopped investing for my future even if it was only $3 a week. After 3 years of working hard, I finally climbed out of the dark hole of college cost and I appreciate a 40 hour work week. My parents are very proud of me and I am happy that they have 0 debt. They own 3 new cars and their home. They can actually stop working when they retire and not work part time to cover my expenses for me.
    I also know the other side. My cousin who is only 2 yrs. younger expects his parents to pay for everything. He does not know what it is to work a full time job and has zero appreciation for anything. His parents even sold their dream home to buy a home for his wife and kids. They buy the groceries, gas, day care, and utilities. And I wonder---why do they need gas and day care when neither of them work,. They will never be able to stop working and I wonder what will happen when they die. Who will take care of him then? How will they survive, it will be such a shock to even try to pay bills let alone balance a check book.
    I see this as a treand in this generation. They have never been taught to do without until it is earned. They need to understand that their parents did not have the new cars, all the latest electronics, and a new house when they where fresh out of college (or when they went straight to work out of high school). They had to earn them and they had to do it on their own. Why then are they not teaching their children the same? How are they ever going to be adults?

  • Posted By: Sephy479 @ 07/25/2008 10:48:45 AM

    I am 25 and my parents have offered some financial assistance to me and my brother over the years, but they centennially didn???t go overboard.

    My parents made business deals with us. Like??? 1st My parents paid my car insurance while I was in high school as long as I was on the honor roll, if I didn???t make the honor roll I had to pay it myself. But once I finished high school that deal was gone, I started paying it myself. 2nd when I started college they offered me a deal that if I graduated with a 3.0 or above they would pay ½ of my student loans, which they did. I am sure over those years I raided a few hundred dollars worth of food from their house, but what college student didn???t?

    However, now that I am 25 I am an adult and thus do not get any money from my parents anymore. I recently decided to go back to school. I wish my parents would offer me help with my tuition. I pay all of my own bills. Sure I still get a few handouts from my parents on occasion (for example their old bedroom set) but they do not give me hard cash. Even when I had $8k in medical bills last winter, I paid them all myself.

    If these parents are subsidizing their kids lifestyles then they are only hurting them in the long run.

    I have a friend who is 27. Since high school her parent have paid for her car, rent, clothes, gas, and are now paying ½ of her mortgage and her utilities. But in giving all of this money they hold total control over her. They have access to her checking, credit card accounts, and regularly ask her why she bought something or why is there a credit card charge for a bar on a weekday. Whenever she does something they don???t like, they threaten her with selling her house or car or whatever.

    When comparing my friends life to mine, I would like all the free stuff, but I am much happier controlling my own life.

  • Posted By: tkm256 @ 07/25/2008 10:48:40 AM

    Parental support after graduation was never an option for me. But because they're well off, people tend to assume I'll be living off of Daddy's credit cards until I'm 30. Every time I stop to look at a gorgeous dress in a shop window, without any intention of actually blowing a month's worth of food on it, my friends encourage me to buy it because "your parents will pay for it anyway." No, they won't. They might if I asked, but I was not raised to take advantage of generous people.

  • Posted By: birdie_82 @ 07/25/2008 10:48:26 AM

    To richlrn: I see your point, but it's not just women who are living off of their parents. I know many males in NYC who are heavily subsidized by Mom and Dad, too.

    I'm trying to make ends meet in the city as a young woman. For the year that I was a full-time grad student, I worked 3 part-time jobs and took out loans to make it work. My parents are extremely generous and I know that in a financial emergency, they will be my safety net But it's worth it to me to make mistakes, figure out how to budget, and try to do it on my own as much as possible. The money I borrowed from them to move when starting grad school--I paid that back in full once I started working again.
    When times are rough (in terms of money) and I hear my mom trying to comfort me by saying, "You live in the most expensive city in the country; of course it's hard to make ends meet" I remind her that I made this choice in location. I could be living in a much more affordable place, but for various reasons I chose to live here. For that reason, I should be responsible for the resulting financial impact.

  • Posted By: Old Lou @ 07/25/2008 10:44:18 AM

    Your sermon doesn't tell the wholel story. Ms. Serafino. These parental remittances inflate rents, the higher rents attract more generous Mom'n'Dad subsidies, and the vicious cycle continues. It's another bubble fueled by idiots with too much money, and in this case, you're the victim. Welcome to my City.

  • Posted By: hunterbear @ 07/25/2008 10:38:56 AM

    It's so true about parents paying for everything and controlling your life still. I refuse to let that happen so I will not ask my parents for anything. I was even homeless for about 6 months partly because I didn't want their help and partly because they wouldn't help. The kicker though...my younger sister gets her rent paid, her utilities paid and her gas and insurance paid.

    My parents tell me that they don't pay for anything however she works at a golf course part time for $12 an hour and has an $800 a month rent payment, cable, cable internet, a land line and a cell phone and she partys every weekend and sometimes during the week, she always has new clothes and hairstyles and the list goes on. I work a full-time job making twice what she does and I just got cable and internet after 4 years of not having it because I couldn't afford it. However I wouldn't trade my life with hers for anything...I love being financially independent from my parents and I can't wait until they can't support her anymore...she'll be homeless in a month!

  • Posted By: hunterbear @ 07/25/2008 10:34:29 AM

    I'm living that very same story only instead of my parents supporting me...which they never have (I was even homeless for about 6 months till I got my feet back on the ground)...they support my sister. They pay her rent, her utilities, and her gas and truck insurance. She pays for food and partying. They say they don't pay for anything except that she makes $12 an hour at a part time job at a golf course and lives in an apartment that costs about $800 a month in rent, plus she has a cell phone, land line, cable, cable internet and the list goes on.

    I work for a consulting company making twice what she does full time and sometimes I still struggle to make ends meet. I can't wait until my parents can't support her anymore and she's on her own. She'll be homeless in a month.

  • Posted By: kpicinich @ 07/25/2008 9:25:35 AM

    This is the biggest piece of BS I have ever read. I would LOVE to know what Ms. Serafino does for a living and where exactly she lives (and what type of building). I live in Manhattan in a studio in--admittedly--a nice building. I can't live in a walk up because I have a bad back and knees from a car accident, so an elevator is a must. My parents also required that I live in a doorman building because they did not feel the alternative was safe. Now, if I were to pay my own rent, I would not have any take home pay at the end of the month. I have a fairly sizeable savings, but if I were to cut all financial help from my parents, I would blow through it in a year and have to move back home. Now, I've never set foot in a "designer" store, let alone blown hundreds or thousands of dollars on a shopping spree there. I frequent H&M and Old Navy. I pay my credit card in full each month, have no student loans, and paid for every stick of furniture in my apartment (except for an antique school desk my parents bought 5 years ago for $15). I live a relatively frugal lifestyle: I clip coupons, I love 99 cent stores, I look for cheaper alternatives everywhere, but I still manage to go out with friends for drinks or to the movies; I am not a hermit. All that being said, it's impossible for me to live my life and not have SOME help from my parents. Are there places I could cut back if I absolutely had to? Sure. But that would amount to--at most--$200 a month, which is more than my parents' share of my rent. I work a 9-5 job in advertising and make a modest salary--nothing like those on Wall Street, but certainly not struggling either. I find Ms. Serafino's gall incredible and extremely offensive. Not everyone can live in New York without financial help. Sure, there are those that abuse the privilege, but there are others of us that need it to survive.

    • Posted By: earmstr1 @ 07/25/2008 10:33:13 AM

      Your parents share of YOUR rent. Did I miss something? Do they live with you part time while they're in the city or something? Get real!
      My dad was very generous and agreed to let me live at home after I graduated from college and looked for a job. But I worked two jobs while I looked for my "professional" job as well was helped out at home with my younger siblings (my sister was just 9 when I graduated college). While I didn't have to pay and it allowed me so save up to replace my dying car and rent money before I had to start paying my student loans, I contributed to the household. Once I moved out a year later, I was out. I struggled, but I was smart about where I lived, took public transporation to work and have worked very hard to get my debts paid off. No one paid those for me and now I have a wonderful home and terrific job and my little family is doing quite well. Maybe I was mistaken, but I kind of thought that's what you're 20's were all about. I'm 30 now and for the last 5 years things have been going great. If I hadn't learned the financial lessons I did (by trial and error, mind you, lots of error) I don't think we would have survived as well as we did when my husband was laid off earlier this year. Its all about priorities.

    • Posted By: Elizabethack @ 07/25/2008 9:39:29 AM

      You don't have to live in New York - there are much more inexpensive places to live and start a career.

      • Posted By: sebs112 @ 07/25/2008 9:51:53 AM

        I agree Elizabeth, the above responder is just as pampered as the people whom the writer is describing. I know PLENTY of young people who can't afford to live in the city and have to live in the OUTER (LIC) boroughs or NJ.

        Kpicinich--why don't you put the violin away and take your "modest salary" and your "sizeable savings" and find a place YOU can actually afford without accepting handouts from your parents. These places DO exist (with elevators for your poor little back) but only outside of the luxurious confines of NYC.

  • Posted By: richlrn @ 07/25/2008 10:32:33 AM

    Try being a financially responsible single guy trying to date these women whose parents are supporting them. They have no sense of reality or propriety and a huge self entitlement complex.

  • Posted By: Bear Fan @ 07/25/2008 10:06:26 AM

    I grew up in a well-off family with parents that would have helped me out financially after college, had I asked. I never did and never would. Within two weeks of graduating I had my own apartment and I have paid every bill since. There were months and weeks where it was TIGHT and I ate off the dollar menu at McDonalds, but I made it work. Bottom line...if you are older than 22 and receiving any financial support from your parents, it is pathetic (outside of medical bills or emergencies). Speaking from real-life experience, struggling financially builds character and makes a child become an adult. I am considerably better off today because I went through tough times in my mid twenties...when with one phone call to my parents I could have fixed them, but chose not to.

    • Posted By: north_to_south @ 07/25/2008 10:31:49 AM

      While I think it's great that you are financially independent despite the fact that your parents would have been very willing and able to help you out, I'd be willing to bet that you had many advantages that led to your ability to be independent at this point. I'm 26 and financially independent, although it was a major struggle at times to get there, and I see my friends from well-off backgrounds who do not have student loans to worry about, they can drive a car their parents bought for them when they were in college, they didn't have to work during college to make ends meet, etc. I'm not trying to be hard on you, but I do think there's added pressure when you don't even have the *option* of having Mommy and Daddy make things all better. I knew I had to make it on my own or I was screwed, which maybe in retrospect was the best thing for me.

  • Posted By: rawilco @ 07/25/2008 10:28:53 AM

    Yes too many kids live off mom and dad but this author has some kind of lifestyle that the average person does not. My parent (I only had 1) wasn't able to help out much in college so that meant loans and credit cards to get by. Now I'm paying all of that back and while she isn't paying all my rent she is helping out here and there when I have a copay or a car repair I have to pay for when I'm short on income.
    And as for living in the city in some states that is where the employment is and with gas prices who can afford to drive? Thank god I chose to live in the city where the bus comes and gets me everyday no matter how much gas is.
    Also the author needs to widen her scope. I live in the city because I am a minority and I want to see people that look like me and share the same lifestyle-these type of people are few and far between in the burbs where rent is lower. Lots of people are broke so whatever helps them get by is what helps them get by!
    Besides like many kids I plan to look after my parent in her old age and I'm sure she will be glad she sent me a little cash every now and then for that kind of love and support in her older years.!!!!!

  • Posted By: steelcitygirl @ 07/24/2008 4:50:42 PM

    I had no parents to help me out with my father being dead and my brother and I being estranged from my mother. I was raised by the perfect examples of the "Me" generation, my aunt and uncle who never gave me a cent through my private school education. I busted my rear end in high school to get the scholarships I needed to finance an education. I had work study, and I worked in a restaurant during my summers in college and now while my friends were at the mall spending their parent's money, I have become quite an accomplished chef, in addition to earning a 4 year degree. At least some parents out there know that wages have not kept up with expenses and are willing to help their kids out. I disagree with going shopping while your parents pay for everything. One of the bloggers here is right. IT is neglect to leave your sons daughters, nieces and nephews twisting in the wind while in school. One day, though, everyone has to stop mooching of their parents and buck up, Life isn't easy. So maybe you'll have to put down the Abercombie and Fitch and pay your own gas bill. I am so independent now I know there isn't anything I can't do on my own. I have my own job, own apartment, I pay my own bills, take myself on vacation, and next year I'll be going to grad school. But it would have been nice for my parental figures to help out and give me a break. But that's just the way some people are. I just hope my aunt and uncle are comfortable with the fact that they are going to a nursing home later in life.

    • Posted By: onmyown @ 07/25/2008 10:27:28 AM

      Since when is it your aunt and uncle's responsibility to raise you at all? You should be happy that you had a comfortable home to live in. With that attitude, they probably wish they had let you go into foster care. You sound like ungrateful brat!

  • Posted By: quiltergirl6 @ 07/25/2008 10:25:08 AM

    I was told, in the early stages of parenting, that a parent's goal is to raise healthy, responsible children who can survive on their own and be positive, contributing citizens when they leave your nest. Occassionally we need some support from someone in our lives, but paying for your child's rent/living expenses is just as bad as them still living with you after high school. It's not what's best for them and will teach them nothing but to remain immature and irresponsible for their own lives. To this self-centered generation in which Entitlement is what you expect from the rest of the world: "get over it, grow up and get a job. There is NO FREE LUNCH. We all worked for what we have, so should you!"

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