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  • Posted By: MissDys @ 07/24/2008 9:52:29 AM

    "Adulthood means financial independence." Adulthood begins at the age of 18 not 25. Come back when you've truly supported yourself/paid for your own college education and made a place in the world where your parents didn't pay for 10 years of private school education.(Aka buying your future.) It is not only irresponsible to claim you have "made your own way" but arrogant and disrespectful to your parents to deny everything they have set up for you. Rest assured though, there are plenty of us twenty-somethings that have actually done this on their own dime and their own watch.

    • Posted By: megmac76 @ 07/24/2008 10:13:00 AM

      I think it's unfortunate that many people on this thread cannot make the distinction between having your parents pay for your education and having your parents pay for your living expenses post-graduation simply because you want to live beyond your means. There is a HUGE difference between these two situations! My parents are not "very wealthy" or "upper class" as some have suggested that parents need to be one of these to pay for their children's college education and/or private school. They simply work hard and manage their money well. They strongly value education and began saving for it the minute I was born. We lived modestly when I was a child - rather than going on fancy Disney vacations or cruises like families do these days, we would go camping or do other things that were inexpensive yet just as fun. I am very appreciative of the sacrifices my parents made to pay for my education. Do you look down on people who receive full scholarships from colleges too? After all, they didn't have to "struggle" and "work hard" to pay for their own tuition either. Some people are just jealous and bitter I guess.

      • Posted By: Kreskin @ 07/24/2008 2:08:25 PM

        Aww...it looks like MissDys struck a nerve. Poor baby.... I believe the point that she was making was that it's a hell of a lot easier to pat yourself on your back about your supposed financial independence, when you have INDEED had you future pre-paid. MEGMAC76 (are you the author, or just similarly as annoying) needs to stop stroking her ego. Are we supposed to feel sorry for you that you didn't go on Disney vacations? For real???? You ARE disconnected and I might add it's a bit presumptuous, very off base, and unbelievably insulting to compare your parents paying for your entire private school education to people who attended school on scholarship. Wow, you either really have no connection with the common person...AT ALL!!!...or are indeed incredibly dim, because that's a tremendous insult on several levels! How dare you go there, and compare your good fortune to those who had to attend school on scholarship! Most people I know who were granted full scholarships did not come from backgrounds as comfortable (ahem...WEALTHY!) as Ms. Serafino's, they once again HAD TO WORK FOR IT!!! Go BUY yourself a clue with Mommy and Daddy's "modest" $$$.

        • Posted By: megmac76 @ 07/24/2008 9:44:31 PM

          (Cont.)
          So I should "buy a clue with mommy and daddy's money"?... yeah, I haven't used mommy and daddy's money for 10 years, so I won't be starting now, thanks. I also don't need a clue - I am way more grounded than you as evidence by your bitter, angry ranting on this message board. Looks like someone's jealous that he couldn't get a date with the "hordes of overprivileged girls" in NYC.
          And lastly, you put modest in quotes when referring to my parents money, which again shows that you don't get it. Not that it's any of your business, but my dad was a police officer and my mom worked part-time as a bookkeeping assistant at an insurance agency - modest money, indeed (no quotes). It's called budgetting and spending money appropriately, on the RIGHT things. Granted things have changed since I began college 14 years ago since the economy is now a mess and everything is becoming increasingly unaffordable, so what my parents did for me on their salaries is not as realistic these days. But please don't make assumptions about my parents' finances simply because how they manage money is so different from how you (and likely your parents) choose to manage money.
          Oh, and just a thought, but you might want to consider an anger management class... you might have to pay for it though.

        • Posted By: megmac76 @ 07/24/2008 9:43:13 PM

          Hehe - talk about striking a nerve! Geez, Kreskin, you sound like an awfully angry, bitter person. What are you, the author's ex-boyfriend who she dumped and now you're out for some sort of revenge?
          I understand that it's obviously easier to be financially independent if you're educaiton is paid for, but MY point (which you seem to have missed) is that it's very different to have your parents simply pay for your education versus paying rent, utilities, car, etc., etc. AFTER graduation because you choose to live in an expensive city and buy things that are beyond your means. I know plenty of people who had to pay for all or part of their education and they managed to pay off their loans after graduation while also living on their own without financial support from their parents. Anyone who is responsible with their money knows that you have to make sacrifices in order to make ends meet and not accumulate debt. You may not be able to live in a big house, or move to the expensive neighborhood of a city, or drive that fancy car you want - the problem arises when you choose to do these things and cannot afford to! So such people depend on the financial assistance of others and/or accumulate unnecessary debt.
          So no, you are not supposed to "feel sorry" for me that I didn't go to Disney World as a child (don't worry, I have since been there) - you again missed the point. My point is that so many parents choose to overindulge their children with fancy vacations, new cars when they turn 16 (my first car was the one I bought myself when I was 22), the latest video game system, etc. rather than putting that money towards something that actually matters - EDUCATION.
          I didn't mean to insult anyone with my comment about scholarships - several people were so focused on putting down people who didn't have to pay for their own education, so I was trying to remind them that there are people who did not have to pay for their education, and not because their parents paid for it. You're also wrong when you imply that most people who get full scholarships are poor - there are plenty of college students who earn full scholarships based on their athletic or academic talent. (Cont.)

  • Posted By: bw10 @ 07/24/2008 1:32:09 PM

    I agree with the other comments. Thanks Serifino for generalizing all Gen Y based on your rich friends. You say you are independent, but your parents shelled out your private education costs...for 10 years you say? I'm 25, paying rent, paying for my car, paying off my undergrad and grad loans. I love reading these stories...so ridiculous. Maybe you should write a story about "real" Gen Y's and not about your little clique of Paris Hilton wannabes.

    • Posted By: tomboy2 @ 07/24/2008 2:04:08 PM

      I and my X husband paid for 12 years of private education and a 4 years bachelor degree for both of our children. I am now paying for their graduate school. My son is in podiatry school and my daughter is in her 4th year of her doctorate of physical therapy. I also pay their rent. Whey do I do this? Because I CAN. They have both worked since they were 14 years old. The worked all through high school are now working through grduate school. They pay their own car insurance utilities etc. They will both graduate with the ability to support themselves forver without help. That is when I will stop. They don't overspend and deserve everything I choose to give them.chool. school at

      • Posted By: homieDclown @ 07/24/2008 3:59:00 PM

        What a joke, they deserve everything you give them? why? thats great that you can give them a free eduacation but they DESERVE it? give me a break, my parents were able to afford to put me through school but they didn't, I deserved my degree because I PAID for it.

        • Posted By: megmac76 @ 07/24/2008 9:05:09 PM

          Wait just a minute there - only people who pay for their college degrees deserve them??? Are you kidding me? I worked just as hard, if not harder since I went to a tough private university, than anyone who had to pay for their own education. I worked while I was in school so I could pay for my books and other spending money - it's not like I was just sitting around doing nothing besides going to classes. Sounds like you're bitter that your parents didn't help you out.

  • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 07/24/2008 8:05:49 PM

    As a single mother, I did not have the luxury of helping my daughter through college, and I felt like a failure as a parent. I used to tell her that she would go as far as her brains and my poverty could take her, and she went very far - she went through 4 years of college on 2 scholarships: one need based, one merit based and part-time jobs, and earned 2 undergraduate degrees, both with honors.

    Now, at 25, she and her fiance have just purchased their first home. Although they qualified for $150,000, they told their realtor they would not obligate themselves for more than $125,000.

    When I asked her where she learned to be so practical, she laughed and told me that in college, she had "elevated living within my means to a fine art." And she said no way should I feel guilty that I couldn't help her more - watching me struggle to make ends meet taught her the value of hard work, the value of good credit, and the value of saving instead of spending.

    Turns out I was a much better mom than I ever suspected.

    We do our children no favors when we don't allow them to learn fiscal responsibility. Thanks, daughter, for teaching me that lesson.

    • Posted By: jennywren73 @ 07/24/2008 9:01:14 PM

      To you and all of the parents in similar situations don't beat yourselves up! I grew up poor, on a farm, in a small town however my parents were always supportive emotionally. Constantly reminding me I can do anything I put my mind to and they are right. Never under-estimate the value of hard work and the power of love and confidence. I now have a sales career that I have been in for over 10 years and make a six figure income with some college (but no degree). I am empowered to do ANYTHING I put my mind too. Money isn't everything, but learning how to manage it is very important. I agree completely with your final statement.

  • Posted By: kelsekaz @ 07/24/2008 8:12:59 PM

    Amen. I am 25, financial independent, living in San Francisco and doing it all on my own. The day I voluntarily handed over my dad's credit card was one of the proudest days of my life. Cheers to controlling your own destiny.

  • Posted By: kelsekaz @ 07/24/2008 8:11:56 PM

    Amen. I was blessed like Melody to have a college education funded by my parents, but the day I graduated I voluntarily handed over my dad's credit card and have been supporting myself ever since. I live in San Francisco and it is an expensive life, but knowing that I am in control of my own destiny is so refreshing. My Dad always paid for things growing up --but I would always stress over money. Cheers to being single, 25 and financial independent

  • Posted By: jennywren73 @ 07/24/2008 8:10:37 PM

    Great Article! Nice to hear people are toughing it out and learning those life skills of independence. Keep it up you'll be better for it.

  • Posted By: neochu @ 07/24/2008 4:12:17 PM

    What some of these abandon your kids in college folk dont realize is that the federal loan assistance programs have programmed into them "expected family cotnributions" which are tied into your tax returns. These programs WILL not provide any assistance whatsoever to students whom parents wont provide sufficient information. Private loans wont issue without your co-signature as is. Students can also sue parents for EFC amounts should they be outright refused without merit. Scolarships, grants, and work-study programs are difficult to obtain for an "average student with no extra curricular activities due to working all the time during high school" Private loans are unavailable to students whoms parents refuse to cosign. You can put the pieces together from that and then make your assumptions when such a student qualifies ( not at the merit level which is often higher) to a program which is so detailed and challenging (which most good job giving programs are) that they are unable to work and have no family support. Its a good reason why most decent colleges make meal plans manditory to first year students in residence.

    I think it pretty much says that part of "giving your child wings and roots" is helping them to finance an education or career training appropriately to the amount that you can. Thats part of your responsibility as a parent. The governemt will just send your kid to the killing fields of the war of the week and society will eventually put them behind bars or face down in a gutter.

    While im not advocating you do what the author is taking about. You dont let your adult child starve and sleep on the street while you eat caviar on a bed of down feathers just to teach them some kind of lesson. I belive that is neglect.

    • Posted By: homieDclown @ 07/24/2008 7:45:58 PM

      I believe that you are just a pampered liberal who probably inherited your money so you can just sit there and make derogatory remarks about our military. By the way, you can go to college without student loans or mommies purse; I worked and supported myself through my bachelors in finance. It is possible to do with out the help of government aid (despite your predisposed "government should fix everything" mentality) aaa ananaaaa

  • Posted By: psk691 @ 07/24/2008 7:22:09 PM

    I live on my own. Im 22 and go to a school out in PA. Its tough, i pay my rent, car payment, utilities, cell phone, gas , food, books, TUITION !!!!!! Its a tough life. But my friends give me respect for it because they see how hard I have it and that I bust my ass to make it work. I have friends and roommates that mommy and daddy pay the tab for everything. Sometimes I am jealous of them and sometimes I get pissed off at them for it. But in the long run its showing me that I can make it work on my own.

  • Posted By: lindaluise @ 07/24/2008 7:13:12 PM

    I am older than most of the people posting but I have an ex-boyfriend who is currently supporting his 37 year old son and his 2 children. This "kid" hasn't worked a steady job since he was 19 and still depends on dad and grandma for every aspect of his being. I raised my daughter to take care of herself financially and to be independent of me, not dependent upon me. I still help her out every now and again but whatever happened to raising children to provide for a life of their own? Sad, mom and dad think they are doing everyone a favor but when that same kid is still being supported by mom and dad at 40, it isn't that funny anymore. Pathetic, comes to mind.

  • Posted By: hikawan @ 07/24/2008 7:05:24 PM

    Amen. I'm still in college and get a little help from my parents (mainly in the form of my father's signature on the loan I will repay). After they divorced last year, I started sending some of my part-time earnings to my mother to help her out, and my father lost his job for about 5 months. It's hard to be 20-something, study 40 hours a week (yes, I really do study that much), and work at any kind of job that would allow for complete financial independence. However, a number of my college friends who receive parental support have done nothing to ease the burden on their parents. When I was a freshmen, my parents gave me money for entertainment, extra food, medications, and anything else I needed. Two years later, my part-time jobs pay for everything I do aside from tuition and rent (student loan). These friends are still getting that "all-inclusive
    support I only enjoyed as a freshman, and they're pretty close to graduating. I'm not sure this is good for post-graduation adaptation. In fact, my landlady recently complained about some neighbors whose parents dealt with living arrangement entirely - the parents call in repairs, even! Even if the money is supplied for someone else, having to deal with landlord, creditors, doctors etc. is valuable experience, especially when it starts being one's own money.
    I was spoiled rotten as a kid, but there comes a time when you have to grow up. In my case, the divorce forced it a bit earlier than my parents intended, but I'm grateful for every dollar I get and have no credit card debt, like almost all of those said friends. I've survived my summer job layoff because I saved up for it - no college class teaches you that kind of skill. Good luck on independent living! I'm rooting for you!

  • Posted By: MBWoods @ 07/24/2008 6:56:19 PM

    I definitely agree with many points brought up in this article. I'm almost 27 living in Los Angeles (where we all know costs an arm and a leg to live on your own) and have been on my own since 19. I didn't even go to college, so I don't even have the benefit of having a formal education to give me a leg up in this town. Too many of my friends who come from wealthy families have no clue as to what it is to be financially independent. They drive Mercedes and BMW's paid for by their parents, buy desinger clothes, expensive dinners out, and rack up bar tabs at hot LA clubs on credit cards that their parents pay for, and live at home or have their rent paid by mommy and daddy. And what is so appalling is that they all have college degrees that they don't even use! How many kids out there are busting their butts to put themselves through college because their families can't afford to help them with tuition or living expenses. And these rich kids get a free ride through college, only to take the degree and stick it inside of a Louis Vuitton bag and sponge off their parents' hard earned wealth. What's even worse are the girls whose primary motivation for going to college is to find a rich husband (at least her dad will get a break). Or the "perpetual students" who will continue to use their parents money to go to law school or get their masters as a way to avoid having to actually get a job and support themselves. I actually know people that have said point blank "I don't want to get a real job, so I'm just going to keep going to school as long as I can". While there is definitely something honorable about expanding ones mind with higher education, at least do something with the degree you've earned! Otherwise, you're taking up a spot in school that could otherwise be available to someone who really needs to be there! I think parents are definitely to blame for spoiling their kids and depriving them of the opportunity of being functioning adults in society. Sure, I get jealous at times. I would love to not have debt or worry about how my bills are going to get paid. But I would never want to give up the pride of knowing that everything I have in my life is because of my own hard work.

  • Posted By: Crabby Magnolia @ 07/24/2008 6:49:27 PM

    I am a parent of a 22 yr old (so that tells you my bias) and am gratified by what the article says. I lived in NYC in my twenties and wish I'd had the maturity that Ms. Serafino exhibits. I was also impressed with the comments by steelcitygirl (though might have wished for a little more grace where the aunt & uncle are concerned!). It's true that we value the things we work for more highly than when they are handed over.

  • Posted By: Crabby Magnolia @ 07/24/2008 6:43:17 PM

    Thank you for your refreshing viewpoint. I lived in NYC on my own in my twenties. I only wish I had the maturity you have. I was also impressed with the testament to earning what she had posted by steelcitygirl. My sincere appreciation to you both.

  • Posted By: Stranger2reason @ 07/24/2008 6:18:58 PM

    Holy bankroll, batman! Exactly who are these people you are talking about who can afford to do all this for their kids? Including your private-ed paying parents? Whose reality is this? Are these all the top 1% of the top 1% in America? How is this relevant in anyone else's lives? What about all the kids out there in American that work menial or factory jobs as soon as or before they are old enough and never get to have an advanced education, apartment, live in the city, buy an outift or get the opportunity to write for a magazine because of their paid-for credentials? What normal parent can afford to support a separate life for their adult child when they are struggling with their own gas, food and mortgage bills? Wake up and find a story with broader perspective than your outraged private-ed 'independent' tunnel vision allows.
    Stop hanging at a trendy hotspot and use your credentials for international or intranational jobs requiring travel and see what life is really like for most people. Then you'll have something real to write about besides your similarly spoiled contemporaries.
    cheers
    s

  • Posted By: Stranger2reason @ 07/24/2008 6:18:46 PM

    Holy bankroll, batman! Exactly who are these people you are talking about who can afford to do all this for their kids? Including your private-ed paying parents? Whose reality is this? Are these all the top 1% of the top 1% in America? How is this relevant in anyone else's lives? What about all the kids out there in American that work menial or factory jobs as soon as or before they are old enough and never get to have an advanced education, apartment, live in the city, buy an outift or get the opportunity to write for a magazine because of their paid-for credentials? What normal parent can afford to support a separate life for their adult child when they are struggling with their own gas, food and mortgage bills? Wake up and find a story with broader perspective than your outraged private-ed 'independent' tunnel vision allows.
    Stop hanging at a trendy hotspot and use your credentials for international or intranational jobs requiring travel and see what life is really like for most people. Then you'll have something real to write about besides your similarly spoiled contemporaries.
    cheers
    s

  • Posted By: alyssaanne @ 07/24/2008 6:08:56 PM

    My mom told me that she raised me to go out and take care of myself, not lean on her all the time. I know how the writer feels because I'm right there. I'm supporting myself in my own apartment, which I found and got on my own, paying all my utilities, found my job, and just doing the day to day on my own. It wasn't easy at first, but I knew if I got into a financial bind (which I have come close to a couple times) my mom would be there to help if I honestly needed it. I'm thankful for the year I lived with mom, when I was student teaching and subbing right after college. And I know she was heartbroken when I found that first place, but she had to keep reminding herself, that means she and my dad did a good job raising me and that I was ready to take on the real world, whatever that is.

  • Posted By: SS_RN @ 07/24/2008 6:04:35 PM

    I'm thrilled to see others out there determined to be independent. I am 34 years old, and my post-college move was from the East coast to Los Angeles with $400 in my pocket and use of a friend's couch. I never received any funds from my parents after graduation (and I paid at least 1/3 of my tuition via student loans). After years of budgeting, and learning my lessons after racking up a substantial $15,000 credit card debt in my 20's, I live debt free and well within my budget in San Francisco. The world will be run by those who have no idea what it is like to be independent, and rather dependent on others. Just look at our country's dependence on food supplies, oil, power - as a country we have accepted that although we tell ourselves we are free, we are anything but. We need more persons who are independent and self-sufficient so as to see a change in this world.

  • Posted By: jnkjd @ 07/24/2008 3:38:35 PM

    Let's think about the parents' roles in this situation. It's a continuation of the "helicopter parenting" that started in elementary school for many of my generation and has only worsened, from what I can tell. The parents don't want to let go, because then they'd have adult children, which would make them (gasp!) GETTING OLDER!!!

    On the opposite end of the spectrum, there seems to be a lot of people here who were either forced out or have forced their children out into the world too young, which I think is sad. The child has the responsibility to study and take advantage of all his opportunities BUT the parent has the obligation to provide said opportunities. No, that doesn't mean you give them every material thing that they want, but you should give them everything they need. Furthermore, no parent should ever allow their children to take a job that interferes with being a kid. It is so sad to me when kids can't play sports, join the band, be in the play, etc. because they're too busy bagging groceries. If that money is necessary to the household, the parent should take a second job and not shift that responsibility onto their children's young shoulders.

    • Posted By: LLPofH @ 07/24/2008 5:51:02 PM

      I whole heartedly agree...when a person is still in high school, they're job is to go to class, get good grades and their parents should be preaparing them to enter the working world. But what I don't understand is where anyone gets off thinking that the parent OWES their children financial support for anything once they're out of high school. There's no LAW that says that. NOW, any decent, loving parent is going to do everything they possibly can to ensure their young adult children have all they need to succeed and if that means going to college, then supporting them in those endeavors is a necessity. I mean think about it, If you were a parent, wouldn't you want to do everything you could to help them get a good start? Wouldn't it be in your own best interest to make sure your kid had that solid foundation so that they don't have to keep coming for help for this or that. We all know that as we go along in our lives, things will come up and we need finalcial help...THATS life. But what I don't understand is where anyone gets off feeling like they are entitled to what their parents erned for themselves? I know the world is different today than it was 30-40 years ago, but once you've finished college, are working at your own job (wherever it is) then its time for you to suck it up and pay for your own shopping and rent and monthly expenxes. Its called being an adult. Its your life, so own it. Have some integrity. Have some pride. You're a grown up now. (And Parents, once they're out of school and are working, your job is complete...barring that OCCASIONAL need to asisst, cut the cord, hold them accountable and wait for the grandchildren to indulge.)

  • Posted By: jmc242 @ 07/24/2008 5:49:26 PM

    I completely agree with this article. I am a twenty year old, married, college student ,and yet neither of our parents fork out any cash for any of our expenses. Our parents had always raised us to believe if we wanted something we had to go out and get it ourselves. I love that they had raised us that way. I will admit that it was hard, my first year of college because I had to work 30 hrs a week and go to school, but it was worth it. I learned what working hard meant. Now, my husband and I find ourselves in great if not, better positions than our friends. we don't have to explain why I spent 100 dollars on a pair of shoes. We don't have to ask to go on vacations, ect. We can do what ever we want whenever we want and its nobody's business. Its nice having that freedom and we just wish that our friends will wake up and realize that being financially independent is an amazing feeling when your finances only become your business, not mommy and daddy's. Like the author of the article, we prefer it that way too because our dreams and hopes will never be held back by anybody else's pay check, and we know in the end that we were the only ones that held us back from ever not achieving any of our goals and hopes and dreams, not mom and dad because they wouldn't give us the money to go to europe or buy our first home.

  • Posted By: janselmo515 @ 07/24/2008 5:09:01 PM

    I agree with this article - there is a reason Gen Y is called the Nesting Generation. After college, the majority (that's for you people who think we generalize too much) of students tend to move back in with their parents or family because of the high cost of everything. Being financially independent in this day and age right out of college is probably one of the hardest things to do. Think back 20-30 years ago. College wasn't necessary for many jobs. Now it is mandatory. Graduate school is becoming more and more prevelant. People are getting married at older ages. It's no wonder why financial independence is so hard to come by these days .

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