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  • Posted By: Erin222 @ 07/22/2008 8:47:35 AM

    To those of you who brought up that Ms. Serafino is not the norm for young people in this country- I don't think that she is comparing herself to people who truly struggled to "make it" in the city or anywhere. She never once in the article said anything that would even suggest she doesn't understand the difference between herself and people who were not lucky enough to, for instance, have their education paid for. In fact, she alludes to how lucky she is in saying that she does not want to go to her parents for an allowance after she was fortunate enough to be put through school.

    Those of you who are enraged that she is not the "norm" have missed the point. She is talking about her peers who do not value financial independence (at least not more than gucci shoes) and therefore won't make the effort even though they have the means to do so. This article is not about a mom who pays for health insurance or subsidizes an apartment in a safe area for her son or daughter because s/he cannot afford it. It's about young adults who can afford health insurance and a safe apartment, but not at the same time that they eat at trendy restaurants and shop in expensive stores.

    Agree or disagree with Ms. Serafino, but at least understand her point first.

    • Posted By: TaliaR @ 07/24/2008 4:49:00 PM

      I agree with you and the author. She is talking about her peers, her collegues, old classmates, etc...somoene who was raised in similar circumstances. To look at it from another angle. Say Ms. Serafino has a brother. They both went to the same college, both graduated, both have great careers, and both live in NYC. One is financially independent and the other is still being spoon-fed by Mom and Dad. I believe this is the point of her article.

    • Posted By: wanderluster @ 07/22/2008 2:40:14 PM

      Agreed Erin...She's not talking to single mothers or military families. What made any of you think that is who she is talking to? She said she is talking about the people she knows, none of whom she states is a single mom or in the military. They are like her, people who are privileged enough to have had a private education and supportive parents, which she also states in the article. She's talking to similarly situated people, who want to live the good life in NYC, but can only afford to because mom and dad are continuing to support them.

  • Posted By: TKramar @ 07/24/2008 3:52:04 PM

    AliciaC,

    how do you know that she DOES have her parents to fall back on? I never did. I joined the Navy right out of high school and never looked back. Of course, I don't live in the money pits of New York--I live in Florida. And I probably pay 75% of my salary in rent and utilities, but I am getting by. Not only getting by, but I'm supporting my girlfriend too, who doesn't work. Can't work, and isn't getting any kind of help from anyone but me.

    • Posted By: aliciac113 @ 07/24/2008 4:31:14 PM

      Um, because she mentions that in the second paragraph of her article.
      I applaud you for your efforts of supporting yourself. I get it, I've had no help either. It's not a walk in the park. But it does make you stronger, tougher, and the taste of success is all the more sweet when you've struggled to make it. The world is full of incredibly successful people who started out with nothing. And hey, look at it this way: we're not living in Darfur or other parts of Africa, being slaughtered and persecuted. Whenever I feel sorry for myself that I had to -gasp- pay for college! I remember that others have it so much worse.
      I hope your girlfriend is sometime soon able to assist you with the bills.

  • Posted By: TaliaR @ 07/24/2008 4:29:44 PM

    I'd like to thank the author for an insightful article. I feel as if she wrote part of my autobiography for me. I too went to private school for 10 years, graduated from college, and the moment I stepped out into the "real world", I asked my parents to stop giving me an allowance. My parents were very insistent at first about giving me a little spending money, but I put my foot down and asked for no more. Mainly I did it for freedom (yes, they were a bit overbearing) and I wanted to buy or finance things on my own without having someone breathing down my neck. It was also satisfying to know that my parents could put more of their money towards their retirement. I believe financial planning / budgeting courses should be required in high school. Luckily, I majored in Accounting, so I had no problem controlling my money. Good luck to all you students and parents out there!

  • Posted By: sugardaisy @ 07/24/2008 3:59:06 PM

    The comment about not letting go because that would mean you are getting older is really stupid. That has nothing to do with it at all. People just spoil their kids and then they don't know how to stop. That's what the problem is.

  • Posted By: TKramar @ 07/24/2008 3:49:43 PM

    Aliciac113,

    how do you know that she has her parents to fall back on? I never did! I joined the Navy right out of high school and never looked back. I only stayed in one term, but I've fought and scraped, and I'm barely getting by today...but I'm paying ALL the bills for two people--my girlfriend AND I.

  • Posted By: maggiejr @ 07/24/2008 3:43:37 PM

    Try making it on your own in New York when you're simultaneously paying credit card bills and student loans from putting your adult self through college. What's a savings account? Some can't take the risk of moving to Manhattan and then not being able to call on parent's in a bind. Reading this article, I can see that you've received a good dose of reality, but I can't help to think it was probably a designer dose and not some store brand.

  • Posted By: aliciac113 @ 07/24/2008 3:28:58 PM

    Interesting. I'm in the batch of you who has literally been on their own financially - no private school, no "fallback on the parents" if I needed to - and I still managed to travel the world, put myself through college, and start my own company. This author should be content that she doesn't rely on her parents for assistance now - but she should remember that she has help if she does need it, and no college bills to pay back, either. Is it bad for parents to assist their children through college? Of course not. But equally as important is really instilling their children with a sense of work ethic, from an early age, and not giving up on that, even when their kids might demonstrate a need. We're raising a society of weak people, who don't want to work hard and don't seem to really know what "work" is. I don't have children, but when I do, they will absolutely have jobs when they are able to work. We hope to be able to help them in college, but they will also understand that we aren't going to be their safety net after that. Raising strong, independent children should be the priority of this nation.

  • Posted By: peggysuev @ 07/24/2008 3:28:41 PM

    My parents always told me that I would not be considered an "adult" in their eyes (and I agreed) until I was financially independent from them. Meaning that until I was out of school and on my own paying my bills how ever way I wanted to do so. When you decide to become a parent then you decide to take care of your child. That means clothes, shelter, food, and education (or at least planning for your child's future). I include education because as a parent it is your job to help your child succeed and education in our society is a huge part of that. I read a comment which stated that if the author was to consider herself a real adult then she should pay her parents back for her expensive education. The author is not expected to pay her parents back for her schooling unless that is the agreement between her and her parents that had been previsously made. Her parents decided to send her to those school, they planned for that, other parents with less resources plan differently. And that is why some students pay for their education and some do not (my parents and I invested together into an education fund) Her parents helped her get the skills needed to support herself. The bottom line is you move into adulthood when you can completely support your self financially. The emotional support parents give by letting their child know they will always be there to help if needed, if there is an accident or an unexpected expense that needed more resources than one has, has no impact on being considered an adult. Those of you who think you are adults and have credit card debt simply used a credit company to "bail" you out rather than your parents.

  • Posted By: cali27 @ 07/24/2008 1:56:01 PM

    AJin Texas, Good for you that you can do all of that on your own. I noticed though that you live in Texas where the home prices are still very reasonable. I, myself am 27 living in California where the median price for a home is $450,000. I would love to be on my own, but because my parents didn't caution me to wisely avoid a young marriage, I got married at 19, trusting in that, and had two children. Now 8 years later, I have been divorced for four years and am a single mother of two with two years of college completed, working part-time. I would love to be like other Gen-Yers and party, go to clubs, and drink socially, but I have real responsibilities and because my family believes in helping each other rather than the relying on the government, I gratefully accept financial help from my parents, but God knows I would love to be on my own and finally feel completely like a real adult. It's hard. Not all Gen-Yers are the same.

    • Posted By: AJinTexas @ 07/24/2008 2:13:03 PM

      I do live in Texas, but trush me when I say Texas has our fair share of financially irresponsible young people. I think I made wise decisions, wise investments and worked hard. I would hope that I would have made the same decisions no matter what state I lived in. I don't think I owe my success to the fact that I live in Texas. As for you, cali27, the fact that you want to be on your own speaks volumes about your character. It's the 27 year olds that DON'T want to be on their own that bother me. Good luck to you!

      • Posted By: cali27 @ 07/24/2008 2:33:22 PM

        Thanks, AJinTexas. I lived in TX for five months and really liked it there. San Antonio Area. I read some other comments about young married couples making it, my situation is a little different in that I did take my marriage seriously and stopped relying on mom and dad during the duration of it. I worked, put myself through community college on grants and scholarships, even though I had a little baby at the time. We were very frugal. The reason my parents help me today is because the marriage abruptly ended, not my choice, and the ex put me through unexpected custody battles, so when you have other things to fight for, normal living can't really be done. I would have lost my kids if my parents didn't help out, which they can fortunately because they are smart about money, but I don't want it to stay like this. They got me out of a hole that was caused by an irresponsible person unwilling to share and get along with others. I was reasonable in speaking my mind that I wanted to wait to have children, but my ex was very controlling, it was an unbalanced marriage.

        • Posted By: AJinTexas @ 07/24/2008 3:23:57 PM

          cali27, I live in Dallas and would hope to someday move to the San Diego area. I think you have your head on straight and did exactly what you had to do in an unfortunate situation. My parents divorced when I was 13. I was raised by a single mom who could not help ne through college, but always taught me to work hard for what I want and go for it no matter what. Thank God for parents like yours who help when needed. Follow their lead and teach your kids about being financially responsible, working hard and being kind. That's what being a parent is all about!

    • Posted By: kimniki5 @ 07/24/2008 2:23:32 PM

      I don't think anyone (anyone reasonable anyway) would say there's anything wrong with a single parent depending on family to get them through a difficult time. Supportive families such as yours are a blessing. The article was about irresponsible Gen-Y'ers who don't need help but take it to support lavish lifestyles. Best wishes as you get back on your feet.

  • Posted By: pokedog @ 07/24/2008 3:21:45 PM

    Aww...mommy and daddy (and other misc rich-but relatives) paid for everything for you for the majority of your life...and now, with all that invested in you, they set your sailboat in the shallow end of a deep pool, and watched waiting so save you from drowning as you managed to stay afloat for a couple of years...and now your feeling big huh?...big enough to judge everyone else in the same shallow end...well, you'll never know what its like to be thrown into the ocean without a boat and no one watching to make sure you don't drown and told to 'stay alive'...i think someone in that position would have a much more fun time judging you than you judging your rich friiends who aren't quite as 'free' as you ;)

  • Posted By: harrisgirl1022 @ 07/24/2008 3:20:48 PM

    This article should be a prime time thing, I will be the first to say, I'm not envious of those kids, sure they have nice things, but whatever being independent and FREE is something that is worth more than I can say. Try paying for your own college and everything else you OWN, funny how some people just can't let go...

  • Posted By: ginale @ 07/24/2008 3:10:44 PM

    You don't have enough time for me to tell you what a mistake supporting an adult child, and I do mean child, is. You think 20 something is bad, try 30 to 40 something and still feeling entitled to mom and dad's total support. On top of that, a five-year-old child is included with the package. Talk about enabling! This is my step daughter I'm talking about. She has a master's degree which took forever to obtain, and she's never worked steadily enough to count. Not only does she expect to be taken care of, she has to have the best of everything and rent for a house, not a less expensive apartment to live in. What a waste and she doesn't even seem to care whether her parents will have money left to retire on or live on for the rest of their lives because they're spending it all on her! Mostly it's her mother, but sometimes she hits her dad up, too. It's very frustrating and difficult to even treat her civilly because of her irresponsible behavior! So parents, don't raise your kids to be irresponsible like this. It's not doing them any favors, but it teaches them to be incapable of taking care of themselves.

  • Posted By: vbplayr4lf3 @ 07/24/2008 3:09:42 PM

    As a 25 year old living on Long Island on my own dime, I definitely understand were the author is coming from. My parents left our Connecticut home, moving to North Carolina, and took with them any safety net of coming home. I agree with Daisy, that the generosity should be seen as a loan, if one is to be truly independent. I currently pay all my student loans myself, and drive a clunker car, just to get by. There is a definite sense of pride associated with making it on my own, even if at the end of the day, I'd rather be out buying trendy clothes and driving a better car, I know that all I have I got on my own!

  • Posted By: Kreskin @ 07/24/2008 3:08:43 PM

    Thank you for going there, "The Dad". I have restrained myself from posting a similar assumption, but it would indeed totally make sense. The elite definitely seem to take care of each other, it's almost incestuous...they exclusively live, associate, and eventually breed with 'their own kind'.

    If her parents have insured her that she can always come to them in need and they will bail her out....how is that promoting independence?! Congrats, Ms. Serafino...you've managed to live in NYC with a financial safety net for 3 years (your aww grown ups)! Wow...what's next?! Is your following piece going to be all about how you bought a metrocard and braved the scary subway while your friends refused to denounce their chauffeurs? or how you used a public restroom, all by yourself! We're all waiting with baited breath!

  • Posted By: readnright @ 07/24/2008 1:59:05 PM

    I am 27 years old and have had most things handed to me on that ???silver platter???. And I still do take things from that platter. But my parents made sure they taught me how to take care of myself when/if the "real world" decides to hit. It???s about character, you can still be given things and in the clutch be independent and take charge. But what I want to know is why this girl (and I call her girl because the story sounded completely childish) was given the opportunity to write about 20-somethings and her "struggle"? All she did was stop taking her parents handouts. Why doesn???t Newsweek have someone like one of my friends (or one of the people commenting below) who have never had handouts or the opportunity to fall on their parents to write an article. That might be something more interesting and meaningful to read.

    • Posted By: homieDclown @ 07/24/2008 3:06:09 PM

      you sound like some of my friends. They have been spoiled for so long that they don't recognize how easy they have it nor do they realize how hard it would be for them if they actually had to stand on thier own two feet. Instead, they get to pretend like they are adults while the rest of us actually have to BE adults.

  • Posted By: Daisyca99 @ 07/24/2008 3:03:44 PM

    There is nothing wrong with parents helping to have their kid's have a good start, such as in the case of the author's where they funded 10 years of private education. However, if she wishes to be seen as financially independent, she should view her parents' generosity as a loan and try to pay them back. Until that happens, the author is almost no different from her spoiled peers.

  • Posted By: chiseler @ 07/24/2008 1:26:33 PM

    As a parent w/ 2 teeneager boys (19 & 17)...I completely disagree w/ "funding" their adult life. No young adult deserves to live by himself or herself......just because they prefer it that way. That is a luxury you earn via success & savings. It's not a right...it's a priviledge. If you can't afford your rent & utilities, move somewhere that is affordable for you & your income. Mom's & Dad's who coddle their kids financially, after they leave the house, and continue to pay for them to any real extent, are assuring themselves of several things.....all bad. Financially irresponsible children. Kids without the necessary tools to be self-sufficient, and a depleted retirement "war chest" for themselves. My kids will likely both be gone "from the nest" in a year or so. One off to finish college, 100+ miles away (he's going to a local community college now), and the other intends to enlist in the Navy when he graduates from high school in a year. We support them both right now...but have long preached the realities of growing up & becoming responsible & self-reliant....... NO BOOMERANG KIDS!! Working, saving, & "going without" are all part of the process.................

    • Posted By: Kreskin @ 07/24/2008 3:03:43 PM

      Thank you for going there, "The Dad". I have restrained myself from posting a similar assumption, but it would indeed totally make sense. The elite definitely seem to take care of each other, it's almost incestuous...they exclusively live, associate, and eventually breed with 'their own kind'.

      If her parents have insured her that she can always come to them in need and they will bail her out....how is that promoting independence?! Congrats, Ms. Serafino...you've managed to live in NYC with a financial safety net for 3 years (your aww grown ups)! Wow...what's next?! Is your following piece going to be all about how you bought a metrocard and braved the scary subway while your friends refused to denounce their chauffeurs? or how you used a public restroom, all by yourself! We're all waiting with baited breath!

  • Posted By: polleann @ 07/24/2008 2:41:25 PM

    thank God someone feels the same way. I have noticed this, and have been to one-too-many lectures on how the youth acts in a totally irresponsible way. In fact I am a little sick of not hearing about the mid-20-somethings coming up with new ways to help others (rather than helping themselves). I am not an Angel, but damn if I will let my parent's buy me a car/ pay for rent. Besides, what happens when they retire? Do you honestly think these parents have enough to retire early/ retire at 65? Not from what I have seen! (So moochers- get your mother-in-law suites ready in the next 25-25 years! Your parent's will not have a dime to their name to live independently from YOU when they are forced to stop working in their 60-70's!)

    • Posted By: DD50 @ 07/24/2008 2:59:38 PM

      Ha ha, some truth to this, for sure. Baby Boomer retirements are going to be delayed for many - I sure will not depend on social security. Remember the old saying of: Be nice to your kids, they are the ones that will pick out your nursing home.

  • Posted By: klpemberton @ 07/24/2008 2:56:41 PM

    Well, I have something to say about this topic. This is bizarre to me. I am 20 years old and I have never been handed a damn thing in my life, except food and clothing as a kid. Don't get me wrong, my father loved me, but at <$30k a year it's not easy to support three daughters. He told us from a very young age, probably even infancy, ha, that we were going to learn what it means to be a 'financially independent adult', which if course means, if you want it, you have to work for it because I'm not going to give it to you. I wanted a driver's license when I turned 16, so I had to pay for the classes. I wanted a car, so I had to pay for the car. I want to earn a degree, so I'm now paying for college. My financial independence began when I turned 14 and got a job, Had there been no child labor laws, I probably would've been working sooner. I find a source of pride in the fact that I learned at a young age how to manage my finances, and I get even more pride knowing that everything I own, have achieved, and am working toward, is 100% mine.
    It's unfortunate that people like me get lumped into the so-called 'millenial' group of kids that may never know what it's like to live in the real world.

  • Posted By: kimniki5 @ 07/24/2008 2:03:22 PM

    Wise words! My husband and I are 24 and have been supporting ourselves since we were 19. I'm grateful that my father told me that when I decided to marry, that's when his financial obligation to me ended. He did this not because he is cheap or unloving, but because he wanted us to learn to stand on our own feet. He didn't want me to lean on a welfare mentality, or think that Daddy could always bail me out if I was irresponsible. As a result, my husband and I worked our way through college (private college, no less), thanks to academic and athletic scholarships, grants, and typical, low-paying jobs. We graduated on the Dean's list, even though we had a child our junior year. Now we are debt-free but our mortgage, saving as aggressively as possible for retirement, and giving generously to charities and people in need as we are able. I thank God that I didn't have parents who crippled me through their generosity. When parents do this, I think it's partly a sign of their own insecurity that they want to be "needed" by their adult children long after it ceases to be appropriate or benificial, and it's a sign of laziness on the part of the children who continue to take.

    • Posted By: DD50 @ 07/24/2008 2:56:32 PM

      Lucky for me, my daddy paid the tuition for my husband AND me. The hubby is a successful executive, I was able to be a stay at home mom. My dad's parents were unable to give him a dime for school, he did it on academic scholarship. He puts, on average, one young adult a year through college - a cousin's daughter through nursing, a bank teller to finish her degree, his secretary's daughter. Because he knows education is important. And because when you are a plastic surgeon, gee, you can. My husband and I, at the end, did take out student loans, but over 20 years ago, tuition was a lot less than today. Guess what, none of these people are "crippled". If you can help out someone, you or your kid, not for addictions and stupid stuff, but to further a goal, for heaven's sake do it. And to those who were poor as church mice, I"M SORRY.

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