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  • Posted By: A. Santiago @ 07/20/2008 11:08:51 PM

    The editor himself, Daniel Klaidman, makes the following comment: "schools are caught between their desire to protect legitimate sexual expression..". There can be no ambiguity here - this means quite clearly he believes the schools not only are, but have an obligation to protect a pro-homosexual agenda. And, anyone who thinks that colleges and universities across the nation are not strongholds for the GLB thought police just need to slip in and listen to some lectures. Grow up.
    Secondly, ???gay kids??? are not born to hetero parents every day. Even though there is a strong push to make people believe the notion that homosexuality is compelled by biological factors (and therefore is not amenable to change) that position is simply not supported by good science. For example, two psychiatric researchers at Columbia University (Dr???s Friedman and Downey, who, by the way are very supportive of gay rights), provide a strong response to the argument that homosexuality is somehow fixed and unchangeable, "At clinical conferences one often hears...that homosexual orientation is fixed and unmodifiable. Neither assertion is true... The assertion that homosexuality is genetic is so reductionistic that it must be dismissed out of hand as a general principle of psychology." (Friedman and Downey, Sexual Orientation and Psychoanalysis, 39.)
    Lesbian activist Camille Paglia makes the following observation, ???Homosexuality is not normal. On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm...Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single relentless rule. That is the norm...Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction...No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous...homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait.???
    There are some immutable facts that cannot be changed ???such as what is right and wrong ??? despite individual or societal interpretations, conventions and attitudes. Social acceptance will never change the status of an act, making wrong into right. Even if all the people in the world were to accept homosexuality, the practice would still be a violation of the laws of nature.

    • Posted By: Doug in Cincinnati @ 07/22/2008 3:58:54 PM

      "Procreation is the single relentless rule in nature"? That is an interesting comment to make in a society that regularly endorses contraception, heterosexual activity over the age of 50 and sex for pleasure. Should heterosexual couples who are unable to conceive be denied sexual interaction? After all, if it is natural to only engage in sex for the purposes of procreation then I imagine there are literally millions of people, likely including A. Santiago, who should no longer be sexual.
      Finally, whether or not one is born gay or becomes gay after being born, that is not the issue. It is not a psychological disorder (as affirmed by virtually all psychologists and psychiatrists), it cannot be changed and it provides social benefits such as love, caring and bonding to gay individuals.
      There can be no excuse for discrimination, hate or prejudice in whatever form. Gays and lesbians are humans with the same right to acceptance, freedom and happiness as are other persons on earth.
      Of course, it does no good to argue the point with people like A. Santiago. Those with closed or rigid minds will never change. The force of history, however, is on the side of gays. Human society will, I promise, continue to evolve toward greater tolerance and love for all of those who are denied their rights. I am glad to be on that side of destiny. A. Santiago and others, sadly, are not.

  • Posted By: mrsdak @ 07/21/2008 2:19:25 PM

    The picture of a prayerful Barack Obama on the cover of the July 21st Newsweek should be entitled "Obama's First Prayer", and the caption should read "Please God, make me President and I promise you'll never hear from me again."

  • Posted By: Stolen Boy @ 07/21/2008 12:44:02 PM

    Sexual preference has nothing to do with this case. This is about humanity. About a child killing a child. Something we see everyday, all over the world. We have created a society of child murderers in this country and all over the world. We created them, so now do we destroy them because of our failure to learn how to manage our Frankenstein? We must begin my expressing our compassion for Larry King, his family and his friends. They so desperately need it. And we must do the same for Brandon, his parents, and their friends and family, and for all the Brandon's the world over. It's very freeing to forgive. And to try to rehabilitate. We must bring this boy back into the fold of society, for his sake, and for ours as a society.

    Michael Mehas
    StolenBoy.com

  • Posted By: terrymedd @ 07/21/2008 7:47:51 AM

    I was greatly depressed and outraged by your article YOUNG, GAY AND MURDERED. Ramin's story seems to be a new form of hate crime. Although the case is indeed complex , Ramin's article does little more than bash the victim. Ramin seems to take special joy in comments ocncerning Larry King "wobbling" in his high heels. Larry has not only been victimized by his parents, Brandon McInerney but now by Newsweek. I understand both young men are in a sense victims. However, Asking someone to be your valentine should NOT lead to a class room execution.
    I am a 47 year old gay man who was a gay child/teen who did not see images of himself on television or film. I think it's wonderful that our Gay and Lesbian youth of today have remore resources at heit fingertips and can turn on thier television and see images of themselves and know they are NOT freaks, NOT alone and most importantly that they should have the same rights as any other child/teen living on this planet. If we need more social programs in our schools then let's work TOGETHER and make it happen.
    Ramin's article made me feel 10 and victimized all over again! I will never again buy or read a copy of Newsweek.
    Mr. Klaidman, I think you need to reread Ramin's story and let us readers know what purpose it serves.
    It certainly doesn't serve Brandon McInerney. It definitley does not serve Larry King. This article only seems to be a fuel used to increase the flame of homophobia and violence.
    I apologize for any typos or errors in grammar but I am very upset and have been typing rapidly.
    Shame on you and your magazine.

  • Posted By: opinioned1 @ 07/21/2008 7:42:53 AM

    While the death of this young boy is sad, your story is more about sculpting general onion on the topic of gay people. I am sure that many of 15 year old people die and for allot of reasons. What is your reason for picking this one? Could it be that you folks have an agenda?

  • Posted By: bjc20mrg07 @ 07/21/2008 7:34:02 AM

    Hate Crime?? i know this is just a reporter making a story of what his opinion is. But Brandon McInerney was different from Larry King?? just because of their sexuality? in the summary it never said that Brandon commented on if it was truly because larry king was gay! also maybe the kid killed larry because his name is larry reporters shouldn't jump to conclusions there are killings all over and never once do they wonder if it was just because the other person was gay or not. im not saying if thats the case or not but most people kill to kill but maybe Brandon was feeling violated from larry maybe larry was hitting on him which would make him go over board and do something that he would regret who knows!

  • Posted By: DallasTeacher @ 07/20/2008 9:53:33 PM

    I'm sorry, but what is this alleged "pro-homosexual" agenda be enshrined in public schools? Do people really believe teachers have the time to "indoctrinate" kids on the ins and outs of homosexuality? I'm too busy trying to keep my job thanks to NCLB and I know of not one teacher in my school that even talks about homosexuality or even cares to do so.

    And beware of the big bad colleges. Yikes. Go to college, become gay? Is that what I'm reading people saying in their posts here? Seriously? No wonder the US is the embarrassment of the free world when we have our own citizens spouting off such nonsense.

    • Posted By: hindman68 @ 07/21/2008 7:17:46 AM

      very true, too many uneducated people spouting words without thinking. poeple think there is a conspiracy because they can't accept that maybe, just maybe someone is truly homosexual. it's not their fault, they were tricked into being homosexual, what a joke for someone to think like that.

  • Posted By: TheTestTubeMinds @ 07/20/2008 8:11:22 PM

    as far as unknown5150 your a coward show your name.
    Read the bible before you start using it against the people who try to live by it.
    Judge not for you be judged first has nothing to do with informing some one of their ways. It has to do with what this kid did to another kid he killed him he judged him as God was going to.. Judge not for you be judged first means that the child that Murdered this Larry king will now be judged. teach not hate but yet you
    hate me for My Faith I put into God. Killing some one for being Gay is ignorant. perhaps there is more to this than you or I will ever see. People are individuals they will pay for thier Sin as indaviduals the will be judged
    as indaviduals.


    • Posted By: hindman68 @ 07/21/2008 7:14:13 AM

      why do you assume he was killed for being gay? could he have been killed because he was tormenting brandon with his sexuality? i'm not saying that this is justified at all, but stop throwing around accusations when you have no idea if brandon killed him cause he was gay, he was being harassed as well.

  • Posted By: Pamela8010 @ 07/20/2008 8:05:18 PM

    It's too bad that this story is being peddled as a gay hate crime story, when it's actually more of a bullying story. Larry King was indeed a troubled child, and as such, he learned to wield his sexuality to bully other children. He chased and taunted the other boys, and admitted he liked to "watch them squirm". Larry was less a victim than victimizer, and the gay rights groups would do well to pick another poster child. Yes, it's sad that Larry died, but he didn't die because he was gay - he died because no one stepped in to stop his bullying behavior toward other kids.

    • Posted By: Jenny222 @ 07/20/2008 8:07:30 PM

      Very well said. I completely agree with you; it's being passed off as something it isn't to gain support for the gay rights movement.

      • Posted By: busholiday @ 07/20/2008 10:45:40 PM

        Right on Pamela! We will no longer stand by while the liberals scream and promote their perversions in America unchallenged because people fear they may be politically in-correct! God Bless America!

        • Posted By: hindman68 @ 07/21/2008 7:10:23 AM

          you put into words what i couldn't. the words "hate crime" are used far too often. people automatically assume that if two people are different in a crime then it was a "hate crime." while it may sound wrong to many people, larry did in some ways increase the tensions among his peers by flaunting his sexuality and intentionally making others uncomfortable. he didn't think about the feelings of others just as much as others didn't think about his feelings.

  • Posted By: unknown5150 @ 07/20/2008 7:33:22 PM

    you all are sad this is why this world is going to hell.... people need to take responsibility for ones own actions. straight, gay, bi, lesbian, or whatever that is your right and to hide who you are is BS so if your not straight you have to hid cause you have some ignorant person might harrass you.. what about all the fat people that get tease and mocked and the people that are so dam skinny you can break them..

    people should be able to be who they are and it shouldn't be up to society. to say who cannot.. it is no excuse to kill anyone or hurt someone cause your opinion is different... and those of you who are talking about GOD and the bible you are also going to HELL cause it says thou shall not judge others and you are so think before you speak.

    • Posted By: hindman68 @ 07/21/2008 7:05:07 AM

      you are correct, too many people pick and choose from the bible without truly taking the time to understand what is really being said.

  • Posted By: yance @ 07/20/2008 6:22:40 PM

    I blame the gay community for this young mans death, they make it ok to openly flirt or tell another person thatbthey are attracted to them. When I was with my little 3 year old son shopping one day. two men stopped and kissed right in front of us , how confused was my innocent litttle boy. I pray for these people because like the lost souls that killed Jesus, some of them don't know what they are doing, sin killed Jesus . May God have mercy on a 15's year lost soul. I stand not in judgement but in truth.

    • Posted By: tomwalker8 @ 07/20/2008 6:35:43 PM

      Should I blame your religiosity for your illiteracy? I would, but I know too many literate and religious folk. I'd have to attribute your shortcomings to your own ineptitude. There's a point here that will escape you.

      • Posted By: hindman68 @ 07/21/2008 7:03:25 AM

        there is no one person or group to be blamed for this tragedy, a fact that many fail to see. very few actions are ever the fault of one group, and so many parts of society failed both larry and brandon in this case.

  • Posted By: MoeWesley @ 07/20/2008 5:13:53 PM

    Yes, and women who wear open-backed high heals and short skirts are responsible for their own rape. Let's by all means blame the victim, your little parentheses notwithstanding. How dare you.

    • Posted By: mrstan @ 07/20/2008 8:58:12 PM

      Enter Your Comment How about you go to Bagdad then and wear your favorite american flag shirt downtown and see how the victim is blamed then? Cause does have affect, and we must not all forget that. Welcome to the real world.

      • Posted By: hindman68 @ 07/21/2008 6:58:10 AM

        i agree with that. in criminal justice we talk about causation, basically why did this happen. many times a huge factor is the actions of the victim. now i'm not saying this killing is justified but why is everyone so intent on only blaming the murderer. again this is not justification but consdier the way that Brandon was treated and don't lay on the blame on him for this action.

  • Posted By: Mia2008 @ 07/21/2008 6:23:49 AM

    I have news for you puritans: sexuality is with people from the moment they are born. Girls and boys ask eachother out all the time. If somebody you're not attracted to makes a pass at you,, just say, "I''m not interested.." That's all it takes. To shoot someone requires an amount of depravity that is pcychopathic. There is just no excuse for that young murderer.

  • Posted By: Mia2008 @ 07/21/2008 6:22:15 AM

    I have news for you puritans: sexuality is with people from the moment they are born. Girls and boys ask eachother out all the time. If somebody you're not attracted to makes a pass at you,, just say, "I''m not interested.." That's all it takes. To shoot someone requires an amount of depravity that is pcychopathic. There is just no excuse for that young murderer.

  • Posted By: iforeplay @ 07/21/2008 1:01:44 AM

    to: A. Santiago.......... Brains have been studied to REFUTES the idea that homo-sexuality is a LEARNED trait.
    The Homo-sexual brain IS different then a so called "NORMAL" brain. I have talked to a few HOMOS and they felt different from a VERY YOUNG AGE...... I believe as SCIENCE catches up with FICTION we will learn more about this HOMO PHOBIA....... but..... the bible does say...."if 2 men are found LAYING together, they shal be taken to the gates of the city and STONED TO DEATH" ........... so now we are facing an other issue.
    WHAT IS RIGHT and what is NOT .............it also says...."we shall each find OUR own truth"

    • Posted By: Walk_A_Mile_In_Their_Shoes @ 07/21/2008 1:19:13 AM

      Yeah, well, the bible also says don't eat Pork or Shellfish. So I guess all of us are going to Hell. And sure, it says that men aren't allowed to be with one another. But all of these people keep saying 'God hates the gays, and God hates what they are pushing on us.' Correction, morons. God doesn't hate. He forgives everyone. Everyone. That's why He's God. Which means, the only Hell you're throwing in the 'Gay's' direction is the one in your minds. But I'm thinking we've got quite a replica for it right here on Earth with the way you scared little idiots are acting. When are we going to get over it, gay people are not different from you. No, that's wrong, they are a lot more fun. I'd hate to go to church with you bible throwing beasts, claiming that God almighty hates certain kinds of people. You make me laugh!

      • Posted By: lvfalcon @ 07/21/2008 4:15:24 AM

        Walk a Mile- if your are going to quote the Bible, please do it correctly. I see so many comments on what people THINK the Bible says or takes things out of context. I don't care if you don't read the Bible or are a Christian, but at least do some basic research. If you are going to quote, please note the Book and Verse. Also, you might want to read a little about the Wrath of God. The Bible says over and over that we should fear GOD. More than once has he destroyed many.

  • Posted By: Lest We Forget @ 07/21/2008 3:51:24 AM

    Here is just another tragic example where we expect our educators in this country to have to deal with social issues .........AGAIN. It seems that we continually pile on more and more parental responsibllity on teachers and this is just another sad example. If we truly want to lay blame where it belongs? Lets look in the mirror!

  • Posted By: InterestedInIssues @ 07/21/2008 2:21:32 AM

    I am very sorry for the death of Lawrence King, and I feel horribly for everyone who loved him.

    I also feel for Brandon and his family. Did Brandon have a right to kill Larry? No, he most certainly did not. However, we do not know all of the details. What we have learned is that Larry may have harassed (intentionally or not) Brandon, which is of course no excuse to murder another human being, but we've also learned that BOTH boys were in abusive situations, so we have no idea what Brandon's mental state was at the time he committed this horrible act.

    For example, (and I have not heard any details of the abuse of either child, so this is merely an illustration and not meant to be taken as fact) what if Brandon had been molested by a male family member? If a gay student had either harrassed or merely flirted innocently with Brandon, could the discomfort he felt be then magnified? And assuming that his friends acted like many teen boys would, and cruel jokes or further harassment directed towards Brandon ensued, then this could drive the boy to an unstable mental state.

    The fact is, we have no idea what REALLY happened, and while I am no way trying to downplay the awful truth of the situation (An innocent child was gunned down point blank afterall) I AM saying that from Brandon's side, things may be a little more complicated.

    We know that there was a history of violence in his family, and that his father had a criminal record, so we really have no idea what this boy was taught or exposed to in his life. So even though I believe he should be punished for this horrible crime he has committed, I think we should really stop to consider there may be some factors that we are not aware of (as well as the reality that he too, was just a child) before we assume the kid is pure evil.

  • Posted By: InterestedInIssues @ 07/21/2008 2:20:28 AM

    I am very sorry for the death of Lawrence King, and I feel horribly for everyone who loved him.

    I also feel for Brandon and his family. Did Brandon have a right to kill Larry? No, he most certainly did not. However, we do not know all of the details. What we have learned is that Larry may have harassed (intentionally or not) Brandon, which is of course no excuse to murder another human being, but we've also learned that BOTH boys were in abusive situations, so we have no idea what Brandon's mental state was at the time he committed this horrible act.

    For example, (and I have not heard any details of the abuse of either child, so this is merely an illustration and not meant to be taken as fact) what if Brandon had been molested by a male family member? If a gay student had either harrassed or merely flirted innocently with Brandon, could the discomfort he felt be then magnified? And assuming that his friends acted like many teen boys would, and cruel jokes or further harassment directed towards Brandon ensued, then this could drive the boy to an unstable mental state.

    The fact is, we have no idea what REALLY happened, and while I am no way trying to downplay the awful truth of the situation (An innocent child was gunned down point blank afterall) I AM saying that from Brandon's side, things may be a little more complicated.

    We know that there was a history of violence in his family, and that his father had a criminal record, so we really have no idea what this boy was taught or exposed to in his life. So even though I believe he should be punished for this horrible crime he has committed, I think we should really stop to consider there may be some factors that we are not aware of (as well as the reality that he too, was just a child) before we assume the kid is pure evil.

  • Posted By: slimfast08 @ 07/21/2008 1:46:02 AM

    This story is more about the difficulties of adolescence rather than being gay. I don't think everyone is seeing through the complexity of the situation. Who is the true bully here? Is it Larry or is it Brandon? I think arguements can be made for both sides. Larry is indeed a victim and the result is a tragedy. But, what if you look at this from the perspective of Brandon's point of view. Here is a boy who does not have a very stable family life; therefore, lack of parental support. He is embarrassed in front of his friends because an openly gay boy wants him to be his valentine. His friends now make fun of him and Brandon is now associated with being gay. The worst thing in life, whether you are an adult or child, is to be told you are something that you're not and no matter how much he may refute the fact that he isn't gay, he is up against the wall of public opinion (his classmates) that he is. With no parental support to sort out this problem, Brandon most likely sees two options, kill himself or eliminate the source of his problem. The second option expresses without a doubt from Brandon that he is indeed not gay and he has taken the ultimate action to solidify that fact. What if Brandon had chosen the latter option and committed suicide. The story would be a troubled teen, in an unstable family, ending his life short instead of facing the difficulties of life. Then, who becomes the victim and who becomes the bully? Let's spin it further and say Larry wasn't gay, but a "true bully" who made Brandon's life at school miserable, would more people see some justification in Brandon's actions? As always, please look beyond the obvious, there may always be another facet that isn't told. The Gay agenda, as I've heard it been described, is taking this terrible tragedy as another case of gay bashing. Although it is tragic that a 15 year old boy died, there is another 14 year old boy who must continue in this world with the guilt of what he's done. At such a young age, I doubt he truly understands the scope of his actions, when he becomes an adult, he will begin to feel the ramifications of his violence and it wouldn't surprise me to hear that Brandon someday ends his own life.

  • Posted By: allyrose @ 07/21/2008 1:24:08 AM

    Walk a mile...u sound like u have a lot of hate in you.....dont put all christians in the same group. most i know do not hate gays nor do they preach that God hates gays. I have personal friendships with 3 couples who pator different churches.

    • Posted By: Walk_A_Mile_In_Their_Shoes @ 07/21/2008 1:32:09 AM

      Hate? Sure, who doesn't hate. It's something I'm working on. Seriously though? I can't even read your text when you write 'u' for you. I didn't put Christains in the same group - I'm commenting on posts I've been reading all day. If you notice, they only have enough to fill up this page. There are enough heated posts by Christains, and any religon, I really am not partial to any few (people in general) -- whom have been bashing gays since the story came out.

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