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  • Posted By: Dave T. @ 07/22/2008 5:13:45 PM

    As a professional blogger myself, I think Alter has hit it right on the head. All you commenters have taken what he has written way out of context as is the norm for commenters. I don't blog about politics but I do pick up the phone to check facts. Believe it or not that sets my blog apart in the space while others run with industry rumors etc.

    • Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/22/2008 7:52:43 PM

      Yes, we ordinary amateur bloggers are just emotional wrecks. We take offense to anything in print. The internet blog is our salvation. It is far superior to argument with others in person. We save quite a lot in emergency room bills for cuts, bruises, and an occasional gunshot wound, things that usually happen when we talk this way with real people in person. We can just print and run without detection. Sorry that we can't offer you the kind of competition that you deserve. By the way, how much does professional blogging pay. Is it as good as pro basketball yet? We might clean up our act and join a team if it pays anything. You could be our highly paid coach. Lifetime contract. Stuff like that.

      • Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/22/2008 7:56:31 PM

        Hey, Dave T., how about Olympic Blogging? Man, the U.S. is way ahead. Another way to get some easy gold medals. Beat the Russians, Chinese. Good idea.

  • Posted By: gadlaw @ 07/22/2008 5:57:13 PM

    It is a fair rap against Politico - and the New York Times, and MSNBC and many of the other news outlets out there. They are in the tank for Obama, you would simply have to be blind to not see it and no, I'm not some raving McCain supporter - I don't like him and won't be voting for him but I guess it's just you and your assertions that have any validity in your mind rather than the opinions of the great unwashed masses.

    welcome to the

  • Posted By: huerfano @ 07/22/2008 4:24:11 PM

    Hey, Alter, look at some of the other posts on Politico. They are way more offensive than Kelly B's signature line. If you are looking to point out a lack of civility on the blogs, look a little farther down the comments section.

  • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 07/22/2008 3:30:44 PM

    The printed media are no more being replaced by the internet than the printed media was replace but the invention of the telephone!
    A case can be made that better communication faster among people in the USA improves the market for the printed media!
    But a few decades ago the printed news media alligned it's self with a political party slightly, and feeling no conciquences it went a little furhter until, by the mid 1970s it was absolutely carrying the water of one political party! about the only objectivity could be found in the sports coverage or the number who died in the latest plane crash... but outside of that.. there was one lens threw which the world could be reported on, as an industry standard.
    Now don't whine! Opertunity abounds! The web provides ballast to righten a tipped industry that is far from even keel. The web is not the storm tipping it over! Web users certainly are not either!

  • Posted By: Dare2believe @ 07/22/2008 3:22:19 PM

    I like this article. It provides a much needed perspective from a legacy media insider. And its true, now that I think of it, that much of the blogosphere, merely regurgitates the information already produced somewhere else.

    But here's the rub - legacy media's constraints and lack of editorial license makes them less believable as they continue to only cover those things that advance their world views.

    As an example, I give you the recent flap over NYT's decision to publish Barrack Obama's but not McCaines opinions on Iraq.

    Look - legacy media needs to make the playing field even. That's why people mistrust them.

    Tom Desrosier
    http://www.dare2believe.com

  • Posted By: Dare2believe @ 07/22/2008 3:20:28 PM

    I like this article. It provides a much needed perspective from a legacy media insider. And its true, now that I think of it, that much of the blogosphere, merely regurgitates the information already produced somewhere else.

    But here's the rub - legacy media's constraints and lack of editorial license makes them less believable as they continue to only cover those things that advance their world views.

    As an example, I give you the recent flap over NYT's decision to publish Barrack Obama's but not McCaines opinions on Iraq.

    Look - legacy media needs to make the playing field even. That's why people mistrust them.

    Tom Desrosier
    http://www.dare2believe.com

  • Posted By: klebrun @ 07/20/2008 2:34:18 PM

    As a campaign manager in a Chicago suburb while in law school in the 70s I saw first hand the impact of the mob's foray into the suburban press. They effectively controlled suburban news and election of suburban candidates in the western suburbs. The end result was that a lot of gullible voters got conned and the mob made a small fortune in a hot real estate market.

    In today's world the focus is on purchasing and controlling the media and the big money has the advantage. The most powerful person in the US is, arguably, Rupert Murdoch, an Australian who owns a media empire, including Fox news and the Wall Street Journal.

    The thrust of much of the news today is not to provide objective analysis but rather to provide support for financial interests, much like the mob in suburban Chicago. The power and wealth goes to those interests who can con the most voters with their line of propaganda.

    If a democracy is based on a well informed voter, the deliberate and extensive misinformation that permeates the media could well mean an end to our democratic system. If the wealthiest can control the media to serve their interests over those of the general electorate, we have effectively moved from a democracy to an aristocracy - a government of the wealthy, by the wealthy and for the wealthy.

    Our lower and middle class citizens are in for a rough ride.



    • Posted By: pjpearl@usa.net @ 07/22/2008 2:41:15 PM

      Here, here. Well said, klebrun. I'm sure this election year will hold no surprises, but we can hope. We could start by thinking for ourselves and ignoring the media. We could finish by cleaning house . . and senate. My battle cry this election year is "no incumbents in '08." Get 'em all out. We'll get more of the same (money and power corrupts) but they might think twice before bending the backbone of America again.

  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 07/21/2008 12:27:36 PM

    Alter, you know what the problem is? . The media soemhow started thinking that they can actually "feed" the people whatever the liberals in your boards thought was the correct course (not just the country, for everything). Like. "which country USA should be afraid of and what to do about it". What? who is making these decisions here? Your editors? We have our elected leaders to do that job. Media's role is to just give us the facts. We are supposed to be equipped with the decision making capacity. If our system has made us some puppets without reaction .. yes media will need to "stimulate" us to react. But still, the course of action should not be dictated by the media. You had it coming. I read a similar article in Time in which the columnist was lamenting the same problem of "people critizicing real journalists and editors throgh blogs". woo hoo.. go home and cry. or change your jobs.

    • Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/21/2008 5:19:42 PM

      It's not such a big deal, emmarcee. It's just print. We don't eat it, we read it. Only "food" for thought. Take Limbaugh, for instance. He doles out the spoken word. Some hear it and some don't. But it is also merely food for thought. Some write to the right, some to the left and some in the middle. We are not so corruptible as it might seem. We have this built in BS filter. It's all okay.

      • Posted By: xanadian9 @ 07/22/2008 9:58:51 AM

        I've always wondered...when the media says "THE PEOPLE want," or politicians say, "THE PEOPLE believe"...who are "the people?" Five guys sitting around a campfire in northern West Virginia? The entire starting lineup for the Boston Red Sox? Some dudes typing away at their computers at UCLA? Who are "the people?" Seriously.

        • Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/22/2008 12:40:11 PM

          Good question, xanadian9. I think that it depends on who says "the people". If it's a politician, then it's his voters. Those who vote for the other candidate are not the people. Like Bush. When he says that he intends to something "for" the people, he means corporate America and the very wealthy. Everybody else constitutes he people that he does things "to". Or, makes it possible for corporate America to do things "to" the people. Take usury. Most interest rates in the country used to be a maximum of 10%. Everything above that was Usury. Lenders received high punishment for that. Today, the rates on ordinary credit cards is over thirty per cent with thirty dollar penalties for being late on a twenty dollar payment. All this made possible for "the people" by a republican congress and a republican president in the past eight years. So, basically, we are all "the people", either the "for the people" people, or the "to the people" people. Hope this helps answer the question.

  • Posted By: PattyWisely @ 07/22/2008 12:08:26 PM

    Wouldn't the "green" decision to be to ban all printed media (newspapers, news magazines, etc) and rely solely on the internet? Do we really need a daily paper? A weekly journal? What is the carbon footprint of Newsweek? How many resources are used to create, transport and distribute a magazine which is accessible on the internet?

  • Posted By: qwaab @ 07/22/2008 12:07:00 PM

    1.5 million can buy a lot of gas. Why would I need a bureau in Baghdad when I can translate with google and read bloggers who live in Baghdad. Eye-witness accounts that are not filtered through the middle levels of the bureacracy that exist in any organization with more than a $10 budget. The question you need to ask yourself is what are you doing? Are you furthering an agenda with your journalism or are you doing what Joe Friday requested and providing "Just the Facts, Ma'am"

  • Posted By: rosesarered23 @ 07/22/2008 11:38:22 AM

    Also, any mistakes made in the last few sentences of my comment are due to the fact I could not see the rest of it. However, you, Mr. Alter...your mistake was typing the first word of that.

  • Posted By: rosesarered23 @ 07/22/2008 11:36:17 AM

    So, let me get this straight Alter. The internet is bad. Your printed media is the only salvation from the cesspool of drooling, glassy-eyed morons. I don't think so. But way to go in using that lofty printed word to insinuate that there is nothing but stupidity and bad journalism online. Interesting that you say this after you write a piece that wholly consists of your whining and crying about the death of that great printed word. And people may have appreciated your tribute to the written word had you perhaps come down from your heights first. I forgot, Jonathan Alter, the fact that I'm writing this online means there is no way that I could have understood, with my internet infected mind, the simple, lightheareted joke hat was the flag burning Omuslimm obama. Wow, get off it man. In teh mean time, realizedthat there are those of us who use the inernet a a powerful t ool to actually uncover the truth in a time where people like you are doing nothing but whining about our ability to do so. You're no better than the alarmists that told us the evil computer was going to throw us back into the dark ages. Every new thing has met with criticism, and if it didn't, it couldnt be improved. But you? All you do is whine and cry in what I'd loosely call an article, and definiely not call an intelligent, FAIR AND UNIASED one. Or did you forget hat those were both tenets of good journalism. Oh wait...you're not being a journalist. Just a guy on a pedestal who hasd his sensibilities stepped on.

  • Posted By: rosesarered23 @ 07/22/2008 11:28:38 AM

    Wow, Alter. You've managed to say nothing at all important about the campaign, instead grouping all online readers, including the ones reading *your* article on a regular basis, into this fish-eye lensed perspective of the internet as some sort of cesspool of the worst of humanity. How insanely hypocritical of you. How condescending of you to insinuate that i we all had subscriptions to the New Yorker, we'd have gotten the joke in that satirical cartoon. I forgot, I have to actually have a magazine in paper form in front of me to understand the finer things in life, like a feeble attempt at shock jocking in cartoon format. You're no better than the alarmists who told us that the evil cmputers were going to throwour civilization into the dark ages come the turn of the centrury. And if you like the New Yorker so much, why not realized that they too, have embraced the technoology you so much despise.
    Quit whining. You are repaing the benefits of the information age just as much as anyone else. With any kind of good comes bad. No sense wasting everyone's time whining about it. I can't believe Newsweek let this go to print.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 07/21/2008 11:25:43 PM

    ATTN......... ALL OBAMAMOHAMMEDS....BREAKING NEWS...HUSSEIN BIRTH CERTIFICATE FAKE...............

    Laugh it off. Ignore it. Whatever you like. THIS WILL get MSM coverage. For the entire story go to.......

    ....................... http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/forensics-expert-obama-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery

    Larry Johnson and others are going to FORCE an inquiry. Here is a snippet........

    The following report was written for TD/NQ by Techdude, who hurried to complete it after his tires were slashed and a mutilated rabbit was found hanging by his front door. He is currently working on another exclusive follow-on report.

    Who threatened Techdude, and why? And if his findings are correct, why did Barack Obama publish a fake Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) on his own website, FightTheSmears, and on DailyKos?

    Well, well, well....what's up with this??? We will all find out soon. Check out the entire investigation.

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: SkidsMahoney @ 07/22/2008 11:18:54 AM

      As a Christian, let me say that I am completly offended by this kind of garbage put out by right wing fascists such as yourself. If you can't contribute to public discourse in an intelligent and respectable manner, then don't at all. Your racism is disgusting, and has no place in a society such as ours.

  • Posted By: OnlyCureJGK @ 07/21/2008 8:55:09 PM

    Homosexuals should not be aloud to spend time with children and corrupt there minds. Homosexuality is just as wrong as Murder they are both depraved sick crimes against what is natural.
    Both these crimes fly in the face of what is normal decient human behavior.
    Anyone that supports homosexual activity is a contributor to it.
    Homosexuality is wrong.
    Its is not diversity it is perverisity
    They should be given the mental help they need.
    It is not about left or right wing politics its about right and wrong.
    Homosexuality is wrong and always will be just because you say its not does not mean its true.

    • Posted By: swatsky @ 07/22/2008 11:10:32 AM

      You shouldn't be aloud (It's "allowed") to post since you slept through spelling class. You also should be aloud to corrupt there (it's "their") minds. Just because you say its (It's "it's) not do not mean its (It's "it's) true.

      Stupid spellers are wrong and always will be just because its not does not mean its true.

    • Posted By: swatsky @ 07/22/2008 11:07:20 AM

      Did you sleep through spelling class or what?

  • Posted By: sunflower33 @ 07/22/2008 11:07:46 AM

    "The New Yorker cover satirically depicting Obama as a flag-burning Muslim and Michelle as a gun-toting radical would have been seen by only a few hundred thousand subscribers, almost all of whom would have gotten the joke. "

    Uh, no. It would have been seen by anyone who walked past the magazine stand in any supermarket, newsstand, and bookstore. It probably would have been picked up by the evening news and show across the networks because of the outrage it would cause. The only difference is the speed with which information would disseminate.

    You're wrong about blogs and information gathering, I think. I find that the blogs that get big enough do start tracking down their own news, because for one their readership gives them the power of access and they love it, and two, the exclusive information increases their number of readers. There will aways be information gatherers to take the place of those whose methods have become obsolete.

  • Posted By: sunflower33 @ 07/22/2008 11:07:11 AM

    "The New Yorker cover satirically depicting Obama as a flag-burning Muslim and Michelle as a gun-toting radical would have been seen by only a few hundred thousand subscribers, almost all of whom would have gotten the joke. "

    Uh, no. It would have been seen by anyone who walked past the magazine stand in any supermarket, newsstand, and bookstore. It probably would have been picked up by the evening news and show across the networks because of the outrage it would cause. The only difference is the speed with which information would disseminate.

    You're wrong about blogs and information gathering, I think. I find that the blogs that get big enough do start tracking down their own news, because for one their readership gives them the power of access and they love it, and two, the exclusive information increases their number of readers. There will aways be information gatherers to take the place of those whose methods have become obsolete.

  • Posted By: Dixie Flyer @ 07/22/2008 10:16:39 AM

    We used to dream of a non-political politician (whatever that was.) What we have is somebody's granddad and a non-person politician who absolutely has no opinions at all except the boilerplate socialism that all "name" colleges try to develop in their little snowflakes.

  • Posted By: misterharban @ 07/21/2008 10:54:30 PM

    Much of this may pass. The one thing which will not pass is the venom being exchanged online between partisans (on both sides). Obama may or may not be a uniter. But neither his followers nor his opponents have any inclination to come together -- ever. The nature of the invective has gone so far beyond "misinformed" or "ignorant" as to drive a permanent wedge between previous friends and neighbors. The venom may make us feel better, but every day it widens the gulf between people who once could have respected each other.

  • Posted By: bwilson46 @ 07/21/2008 11:24:05 AM

    Alter remains the funniest columnist at NewsWeek.

    First of all, KeelyB certainly did have it wrong, Politoc.com is not Obama's Water Carrier--Alter holds that job very securely. No one--online or on paper--has written as un-critically about a candidate than Alter. Most of his articles have been pure man-crush, love letters.

    This makes his take on the lack of research the pajama swathed, blogger crowd are guilty of seem baseless. Have his tributes to Obama been any more lacking in research, vetting, or critical thinking? Don't think so.

    Finally, when one looks at the slow death of the print media--NewsWeek included (I understand that under Meachum circulation has dropped 11%)--one should perhaps stop blaming the internet, cable news and talk radio, and instead look in the mirror.

    Bruce Wilson

    • Posted By: Aksarbenga @ 07/21/2008 7:51:23 PM

      Bruce -
      You are 100% correct. Alter wouldn't say a bad word against Obama if his life depended upon it. I used to subscribe to and read NewsWeek every week, but it is nearly unreadable these days and has no objectivity. They need only look in the mirror. Oh no ... actually, it is the NYT that wants McCain to "mirror" the Op-Ed of Obama ... my mistake.

      DLK

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