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Debt collectors resort to new tactics

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  • Posted By: ramifq2002 @ 10/08/2008 12:08:19 PM

    How can collect money from people I live in New Jersey named Najib taste telephone number 9082059460, where I am from Jordan and my email ramifq2002@hotmail.com

  • Posted By: Bob from Cleveland @ 07/22/2008 1:18:03 PM

    I have a question for the single mother debt collector. How long would you be able to pay all of your bills if you were to find yourself unemployed? I would be willing to guess that you would go after you childrens father for more money and then annoyingly call him at all hours of the day and night if he refused to give you more. One last question, when you were 16 or 17 sitting in school did you dream of becoming a debt collector or did you find your way into your current job because you were too stupid to become something better. Debt collectors are lower than scum in my opinion. By the way, I do not have any debt but I have had some experience dealing with scum like you.

    • Posted By: snatchman @ 07/22/2008 1:30:39 PM

      so typical.....the people who run up bills and don't pay them for months or years are ok....but the people who call those people and tell them to pay their bills are scum.......and of course someone who works as a collector is stupid but an individual who can't get a job when there is 95% employment in this country must be a genius......get a grip on reality

      • Posted By: mparadis @ 07/29/2008 12:25:08 PM


        Michael from Saratoga Springs, NY mparadis@nycap.rr.com
        Not all people who "run up bills" do so because they WANT TO. I didn't work for a year because of MAJOR back surgery, had to live off my credit cards and the little savings I had because my SSI and company disability wasn't enough to pay my living expenses, let alone the significant co-pays I had for my care.
        I resent being labled as a "deadbeat" and constant harrasment by these low life, uncompassionate leeches, who are after their commission only. Who in a heartbeat could be in the same position themselves. They offer to settle credit card debt for a 3rd or sometimes half of the amount owed plus interest, which is still more than the principal amount, thereby assuring their commission.
        They call on Sunday mornings, evenings all the time.
        If I could reach through the phone and grab them by the throat I would. What a low life gig.

      • Posted By: trimm25 @ 07/22/2008 3:24:35 PM

        people have to do what they have to do, if your a debt collector thats fine. One thing I have noticed on here though, everyone defending these debt collectors talk with alot of arrogance, why is that?

  • Posted By: mjkittredge @ 07/22/2008 3:11:16 AM

    The thing collection agencies do that aggravates me the most, is when they call early in the morning to try and ruin a persons sleep. When you dispute the bill, they try to argue with you, then threaten to call lawyers.

    • Posted By: CA Lady @ 07/29/2008 12:17:19 PM

      I had a collection agencies try the same thing on me for a debt that wasn ot mine. After the thrid call at 5:00 in the morning and the threat of legal action, i told them to to please send the letter directly to MY LAWYER so he could start legal action against them for harrassment . They hung up the phone before I could give them the address. No more phone calls.

    • Posted By: CA Lady @ 07/29/2008 12:12:49 PM

      I had a collection agency that tried the same threat on me for a debt that was not mine. So I told them to please send the letter directly to MY LAWYER so he could file a harrassment suit against them. No more phone calls.

  • Posted By: ANGRYCONSUMER @ 07/22/2008 9:46:40 PM

    IN defense Of Debtors...
    WHY THE DOUBLE STANDARD?

    ITS OK FOR WALL STREET TO RUN UP MASSIVE LOSSES>>
    WHILE THEIR ACCOUNT MANAGERS AND CEOS MAKE 6 FIGURES..
    COMMISIONS..
    BY "BILKING" INVESTORS..
    Then cry That the Company is going under...NEVER RETURNING THEIR COMMISIONS>>
    AND SALARYS..
    AND THE GOVERNMENT "BAILS" THEM OUT..!!!

    WHERE IS THE JUSTICES??

  • Posted By: ANGRYCONSUMER @ 07/22/2008 9:40:24 PM


    Do NOT Fall Victim!!
    They Need THE "ORIGINAL" Contract!! To Be Produced In Court!!
    THEY CAN"T DO THIS!!
    BECAUSE THEY HAVE BOUGHT A "BASKET" OF OLD DEBT< WHICH WAS "WRITTEN" OFF BY THE CREDIT CARD COMPANIES!!

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  • Posted By: snatchman @ 07/22/2008 8:52:16 AM

    I find it funny that this article is titled "a new shakedown". It would really be nice to see a new slant on one of these big bad bill collector articles. It's been written to death in one article after another about all the horrible things that collectors do....what about the debtors? Just one time I would like to read about how the vast majority of these debts are valid and how these people are stiffing hard working business owners. An article that mentions the profanity and constant lies that collectors have to deal with would be a welcome change. Contrary to popular belief, most debtors are not innocent victims, they are the cause of many financial problems for all types of businesses

    • Posted By: MorningMom @ 07/22/2008 5:57:11 PM

      Or how about an article collection on utilitie accounts? You know electric, gas and water. Those darn things that we need to sruvive and are required to have. Or maybe an article on medical collections. Because people who are living paycheck to paycheck just should get sick or hurt. What about those?

  • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 07/22/2008 4:51:52 AM

    Its interesting the the article says that blacks are the ones being sued. I own a business and I can say this is my number one source of fraud. In the store where my wife works its also the number source of shoplifting theft.

  • Posted By: averagejosephine @ 07/21/2008 7:51:25 PM

    Perhaps a bit more emphasis should be made on the fact that the delinquent consumers, in most circumstances, put themselves in these positions by overspending and committing to expenditures that were beyond their means. The big exception to this, of course, is medical spending. Yes, debt collectors need to act within stated guidelines. However, consumers need to take responsibility for their overspending. When they overspend, they are basically stealing services and goods...causing higher prices for the on time bill payers...sort of (well, exactly like) what shoplifting does to prices. But, don't we arrest people for shoplifting??? Hmmm...

    • Posted By: MorningMom @ 07/22/2008 5:43:24 PM

      I'm glad you think it's that cut and dry. A good portion of debt collection is medical. I'm glad you think that people with money are the only ones allowed to get sick. Nice...

  • Posted By: amaryllism @ 07/22/2008 10:14:01 AM

    my father left town with his girlfriend and left my mother holding the bag on the massive amount of credit card debt he built up on cards in both their names - mostly buying his girlfriend expensive gifts. the debt collectors were relentless. she didn't create the debt and she didn't have the money to pay it off. (you don't know my mother, she would have paid if she could have.) she had enough trouble keeping the house and buying heart medication. i had to quit college to work two jobs to help her. the phone would ring, my mother would answer it, then i would hear her sobbingly try to explain that if she sent them money, she couldn't afford her medication. i tried chaning out number, that didn't work. then i bought a cordless phone and started carrying the phone around with me. that only worked when i was at home, which wasn't much. eventually, i convinced her to file bankruptcy. that slowed the calls down a bit, but didn't stop them.

    so, the point of this little story is, debt collectors everywhere, STOP HARRASSING 60 YEAR OLD WOMEN GOING THROUGH TOUGH TIMES. i firmly believe some of those people will burn when they die.

    • Posted By: jmrosick @ 07/22/2008 10:32:51 AM

      Stop making excuses. The problem lies in your mothers inability to handle the situation appropriately. Tell her to file a police report against your gem of a father and then field the calls w/ that information. Until then I will see you in hell.

      • Posted By: trimm25 @ 07/22/2008 3:27:02 PM

        I vote jmrosick for the "idiot of the month award"

  • Posted By: jmrosick @ 07/22/2008 9:49:29 AM

    Shake down? What is this world coming to? Why do people feel they dont need to pay their debts. I understand people facing a financial hardship, however, many creditors to give their consumers options to protect their accounts when these "hardships" do arise. Here is the problem with these options. People want to be taken care of, they dont want to put in the effort necessary to prevent their accounts from defaulting. creditors on the average try to contact there consumers for 6 months by means of telephone calls and mail correspondence. Most of these attempts are avoided by the consumer because they know they are doing something wrong by not honoring there contract. So they stick there heads in the sand and think the problem is wont come back. This article does speak a little bit of truth. Collectors are very open to payment arrangements. I could go on for hours about debtors. For now I would like to end this by saying, to all of you who dont pay your bills, KEEP IT UP, you are paying my handsome commission based salary. Sincerely, the 6figure bill collector.

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 07/22/2008 11:15:08 AM

      Ok, so what about people who have a medical catastrophe? Their insurance maxes out and leaves them with staggering bills, that is if they're lucky to have insurance at all? Then they lose their jobs? Is it really their irresponsibility that led to their circumstances? Of course not. I have been in that situation, and believe me, the creditors did NOT work with me one bit. They wanted payment in two halves--at $3k each. I offered to pay $100/pay until it was paid off, which I thought was fair for a 20 year old student with two jobs that didn't make a whole lot. That's just a minor story, because you hear all the time of those people that have tens of thousands of medical debt. What are they supposed to do--die? Is that the 'responsible' thing? I let mine languish on my credit report until I had saved enough to pay it off, stopping school temporarily and working 80 hour weeks. I had no other options other than filing bankruptcy, which I was not going to do over one medical bill when I had consistently paid every single other bill on time.
      Not everyone is in trouble because of being irresponsible. I hope you never have to face a situation like theirs.

      • Posted By: jmrosick @ 07/22/2008 11:22:43 AM

        Do a little research. Medical expenses are not the same as credit card debt.

        • Posted By: hoppa1177 @ 07/22/2008 12:39:25 PM

          Actually Debt is Debt and collection agencies handle it all the same way. We will call and collect on medical just as easy for another debt. You can even sue someone against medical debt.

          • Posted By: summer4077 @ 07/22/2008 1:44:30 PM

            Exactly. At most, medical companies will allow a person to pay their debt in three phases (at least from my experience and speaking with others in the same boat.) As most of you probably know, medical bills are astronomical and three phases just won't cut it. I found it utterly insane that they would not work with me on it, especially when I said I would allow them to automatically bill my credit card or checking for it! Debt is debt, and hoppa is right that you can be sued for it. It's reprehensible that these sharks go after people who, in the case of one man I spoke with, have just lost their loved ones. It's like cutting off their noses to spite their faces...rather than have SOME money at a longer payback time frame, they want NO money. Crazy.
            I realize that many people frivilously spend, and I agree that it's irresponsible. However, a major reason for bankruptcy is MEDICAL DEBT, something over which most have no control. Debt collectors have no soul and no heart. I, for one, could never treat another human like that.

      • Posted By: ilmbeacher @ 07/22/2008 12:46:59 PM

        since you are making sooo much money mr debt collector maybe you could manage to budget some of it for an English class...specifically "their vs there"... i learned that in 3rd grade, I guess you do not have to be intelligent to collect debts from people

    • Posted By: trimm25 @ 07/22/2008 10:06:48 AM

      you mean from the man with no conscience. I hope you and your 6 figure salary are happy, because people like you make other people miserable.. sincerely from the debt free consumer.

      • Posted By: cogitoergosume @ 07/22/2008 1:30:15 PM

        Well done. You're not in debt. I bet you brush your teeth every night and look both ways before crossing streets. Too bad tha vast majority of your fellow citizens don't subscribe to the same philosophy.

      • Posted By: jmrosick @ 07/22/2008 10:47:19 AM

        How cute are you? I do have to say, I am very proud of you for doing what is expected. You truly are an inspiration.

  • Posted By: cogitoergosume @ 07/22/2008 1:31:53 PM

    I agree. I thought the thing about the strategic dialer this was interesting. Too bad the article takes the 'consumer' side and only points out the horror stories. Without debt collectors our free spending economy comes to a halt.. Imagine if every lender had to underwrite and collect on their own debt, instead of creating an industry out of it. No one but the super rich and famous would have credit cards. Everything would be cash only and we'd all be paying rent up front for our apartments.

  • Posted By: cogitoergosume @ 07/22/2008 1:18:11 PM

    ilmbeacher - if you are referring to hoppa117's use of 'there' in her sentence "There are always ways to pay your bills." perhaps it is you that needs both an English class and an etiquette class. She used the word correctly, and your rude comment somewhat illustrates her point. Stupid people don't tend to live within their means (see I used ???their??? again). So when economic changes occur it's always the imbeciles (like you) who end up griping about paying the piper. Bet you???re reading this at work??? and you???ll be complaining on an unemployment blog about how employers fire their (again) employees for goofing off in the ???net at work.

  • Posted By: mikeyib @ 07/22/2008 11:11:03 AM

    I am proud to be an American citizen, though I was raised on 2 other continents. Americans have the highest per capita debt of any country. A lot of Americans leave beyond their means, but when it's time to pay the piper, they sherk their responsibilities. Debt collections perform a necessary "evil" in this country. Yes there are violations by a small percentage of collectors. The industry itself polices these abusers. But they did not get these people into to debt: that is a self inflicted wound for which we need to take responsibility. Why am i not seeing long blogs, and big headlines on the mortgage brokers who gotten hundreds of thousands of people in dire straights, through deceptive practices. or....The people who got into these homes with the FULL knowledge they could not afford them. There is lots of blame to be divided regarding all the bad debt, but the last people you shold hold liable is the collection inductry, and the bigest, and most overlooked cuprits are the consumers/debtors. Lets take responsiblity of our own averice, and pay what we rightfully owe!!! We are a nation of whiners...

    • Posted By: jmrosick @ 07/22/2008 11:23:58 AM

      Wow. What an enlightened individual. THANK YOU

      • Posted By: mikeyib @ 07/22/2008 1:15:29 PM

        Thank you fellow 6 figure collector.

      • Posted By: snatchman @ 07/22/2008 12:09:57 PM

        you can't tell debtors to take personal responsibilty....you'll burn in hell!!! : )

  • Posted By: 05cf @ 07/22/2008 1:07:20 PM

    It's nice that you can't even face the focal point of his argument. Changing subjects from whats relevant to the argument to his spelling mistakes. My guess is that you are one of the low life's were calling on a day to day basis because you spend beyound your financial means. It may be a blue collar job, but you'd be surprised on how well soem of these collectors do. Try six figures a year. But in all reality, we do owe thanks to you, for the job security and the pay checks we get to spend on paying our bills......... on time.

  • Posted By: hoppa1177 @ 07/22/2008 12:34:35 PM

    Are you kidding me. I work for a collection agency and I am tired of getting the whole lecture the economy is down and I can't afford my bills line daily. I think it's sad. I am a single mom and I have this wonderful thing called a gasp...u ready for this......BUDGET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Live within your means. If you want a coffee stop spending $5 bucks on that dribble from Starbucks and make your own and see how much you save. There are always ways to pay your bills.

  • Posted By: bigkat5900 @ 07/22/2008 9:40:02 AM

    Hurting small business owners huh? These are for the most part mulit-billion dollar credit companies or businesses that are hounding people who should have not been extended credit in the first place. Also on top of the fact that they should not with all good faith been given the credit the companies offfer interest rates as high as 30 percent which is something the Mafia wouldn't even do. They disgust me.

    • Posted By: snatchman @ 07/22/2008 12:06:19 PM

      Do you honestly think that people only stiff credit card companies? There are thousands of small businesses out there that have to use collection agencies. I know because I speak with these companies on a daily basis. You're misinformed because you get your information from articles like this that blame everything on the collectors and treat the debtors as victims.

  • Posted By: waterylemonade @ 07/22/2008 4:05:47 AM

    wow. Makes me glad I don't own a credit card. I remember my mom had one and the harassing calls were annoying. If they keep calling you for someone with the same name, why not change your number? It may help. Or get rid of your landline?

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 07/22/2008 11:20:20 AM

      That's the point. You shouldn't have to change your number and because they won't stop. My husband received call after call from the same creditor, even after he repeatedly told them that his name was not even close to the person in question. He reported them, put his number on the do not call list (which I realize is for telemarketers, but still) and told about 6 different people that it was not him. He still gets calls! He finally just decided to keep hitting end when they call, but it's really annoying as they call at all hours. He has patients, hospitals, and doctors that call him, changing his number is not an option.

  • Posted By: OnlyCureJGK @ 07/21/2008 9:03:26 PM

    Homosexuals should not be aloud to spend time with children and corrupt there minds. Homosexuality is just as wrong as Murder they are both depraved sick crimes against what is natural.
    Both these crimes fly in the face of what is normal decient human behavior.
    Anyone that supports homosexual activity is a contributor to it.
    Homosexuality is wrong.
    Its is not diversity it is perverisity
    They should be given the mental help they need.
    It is not about left or right wing politics its about right and wrong.
    Homosexuality is wrong and always will be just because you say its not does not mean its true.

    • Posted By: mrmick @ 07/22/2008 11:08:37 AM

      Homophobes like this are typically struggling with their cown homosexual feelings. They need help in coming out, but instead of accepting help and accepting who they are, they lash out at everybody that reminds them of theirselves. The curse of christianity is an extra burden to small minds like his.

    • Posted By: sharp_kc @ 07/21/2008 10:29:07 PM

      Wow, you are just an angry little person. How in the world did you decide to post that crap here. I mean where all the other hate filled sites full so you came onto another public forum. This is not the dark ages, please get your head out of the sand or wherever it is and learn to let people live and let live. At least have the decency to put your idiodic comment on an article that is referencing homosexual behovior. But I guess I should not expect that much because you are a biggot and hate monger and therefor an idiot.

    • Posted By: frenchpatou @ 07/21/2008 9:10:15 PM

      You're the one that need help ! BIG time help.
      I don't even feel sorry for You, but I do hope that a medical treatment that You seriously need: will take all that inner hate away from Your thoughts ...

  • Posted By: OnlyCureJGK @ 07/21/2008 9:05:26 PM

    Debt collectors are only doing the job they have been able to get.
    The real fault here lies with the Banking institutions who have done the preditory lending trying to get as much money as they can out of people for as little as possible on there part.
    Homosexuals should not be aloud to spend time with children and corrupt there minds. Homosexuality is just as wrong as Murder they are both depraved sick crimes against what is natural.
    Both these crimes fly in the face of what is normal decient human behavior.
    Anyone that supports homosexual activity is a contributor to it.
    Homosexuality is wrong.
    Its is not diversity it is perverisity
    They should be given the mental help they need.
    It is not about left or right wing politics its about right and wrong.
    Homosexuality is wrong and always will be just because you say its not does not mean its true.

    • Posted By: trimm25 @ 07/22/2008 10:16:35 AM

      wow let me guess the local faithful cristian? I bet you ain't complaining about all them homosexual soldiers keeping your ignorant ass free. I'm not gay, but I don't think I should be able to tell other people how to live there lives, so what makes you think you have the right to?

      • Posted By: trimm25 @ 07/22/2008 10:50:12 AM

        well worth it if it makes you think about how stupid of a comment you just made.

    • Posted By: amaryllism @ 07/22/2008 10:19:21 AM

      i just reported you for abuse!

  • Posted By: zinka @ 07/22/2008 1:30:08 AM

    I understand these people are only doing what they are told. I am getting sick and tried of getting these calls. They call for someone I don't even know but has the same last name. I have had my phone number for over 25 years. The most maddening call is from Encore, the message says to call this number, so you call the number they tell you to dial 101015 and follow the instructions well they want to charge you $5.00 to give the information, great now they are going to charge for information. These people just plane do not want to hear anything you say. I have spent several thousands dollars having my lawyer write letters but I still get the calls. Maybe it is because I have only debts that I pay monthly mortgage, car and 1 credit card. All I know I to the end of my rope. There has to be away to get these people to listen instead of blocking everything out.

    • Posted By: LasVegsLaw @ 07/22/2008 6:09:20 AM

      Zinca: The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (15 USC Sec. 1692 (A)(2)) requires that once you have informed a debt collector that you are represented by an attorney and that they may not contact you but must communicate with you through that attorney they have to stop calling or contacting YOU directly in any way. The FDCPA (15 USC Sec. 1692 (k)) gives you a right to sue for a restraining order and money damages as well as recover your attorney fees. So it is important that you ask the name of the agency and person calling you on each call. Note this, a brief discription of the conversation and the date and time of the call. If you do this religiously you attorney should take the case on a contingent basis if he has a federal practice.
      I have a suit against 4 agencies pending whom have been calling me for six years in reference to the persons whom had my telephone number before Sprint reissued it to me when we bought our house. The attorneies for three of the agencies have offered to settle the suit by agreeing not that their client will not call our telephone numbers any more or send any correspondence.
      Don't take it lying down...............sue the bastards. Type "United States Code" in google or yahoo and go there.................then enter search within the code for Title 15, Sec. 1692 and read it for yourself. If your attorney won't do it he is either a wuss or money grubber not interested in teh welfare of his clients. If you are a regular business client demand that he handle the case on a contingency in order to retain you other busines.
      The reason the poorest and undeducated are targeted is they don't have the wherewithal or access to the resources to fight back.....................................it takes years for the FTC or States Attornies General to act.........in the meantime you continue to be victimized.

      • Posted By: Haleroth @ 07/22/2008 9:56:26 AM

        LasVegasLaw should learn how to spell, and how to use who and whom / you and your before pushing the POST YOUR COMMENT button. A strong premise is greatly weakened by sloppy writing, and yours is pretty sloppy.


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        • Posted By: amaryllism @ 07/22/2008 10:17:35 AM

          i am a legal secretary. trust me, the average lawyer is a terrible writer/typist. the attorney i work for is an expert in bankruptcy law - and dictates as if english is a second language to him. don't discount lasvegaslaw's ideas just becuase he is used to having someone else clear up his typographical/grammar errors.

      • Posted By: zinka @ 07/22/2008 9:47:55 AM

        Thank you LasVegs, we have sent the letters with return reciept requested, the lawyer has gotten 1 reply and we made up a log to record the information for these calls. We are set to go to court if the calls continue. The guy they are looking for must really be a jerk and in the mean time I get his calls for collection.. My lawyer is working with the Attorney General here on Encore whose left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. When you try to talk to someone who speaks very little English it is very madding. Changing my phone number after 25 years is not an option. Hopefully these people will get the message and leave us alone.

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