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  • Posted By: Open Your 3rd Eye @ 07/23/2008 1:16:47 PM

    Are you people THAT dumb? He cannot seem to be bias in any way towards Israel or the Palestinians. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. He is in favor of PEACE between both so why would he undermine one with foolish statements. The TRUTH is that they are BOTH WRONG. Israel and the Palestinian states handle their differences like children. Diplomacy has continued to appear in tact, then breakdown over and over again. What do you expect him to say? The difference you will see is that his solutions to this problem is not bombing or violence unlike the current administration.

    • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 07/23/2008 1:29:54 PM

      Dumb? Why cant he tell the truth? Does he not have an opinion or can he not tell us how he truely feels? To say taking a stand is biased is like saying if 2+2=4 then you are biased in favor of the number 4. Why cant you just admit that he is trying to cater to everyone UNTIL he gets elected THEN we can see how he truely feels about Rev Wright, Affirm action, muslim religion, Ayres, Nafta, etc, etc.
      Hello, Im Barack "dont you dare say my real middle name you racist whitey" Obama. I have no experience and am trying to buy an election with overseas monies. I flip flop on EVERYTHING. My 300 advisors dont agree on shyt, and I'm running for president of a country I hate. Together we can help Africa with American tax dollars. Vote for me, or your a racist!

      • Posted By: joe_mama @ 07/23/2008 2:27:43 PM

        Sport--

        Your two kids are fighting....who do you back?

        Each said the other started it. Each is looking for your support to prove the other wrong.

        So who do you back?


        The answer, of course, is "neither". All you care about is that the fighting stop.

        Any more questions?

        • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 07/23/2008 4:36:01 PM

          Sounds like an Obama supporter to me. Pull out , hope the fighting stops. Problem with your thought process is, it doesn't stop a possibe problem in the future because nobody knows who was right and wrong due to your lack of follow through. In my household we listen to both sides of the arguement from the begining and side with the child who we feel is right and point out why we feel this way. We make sure our children understand that all actions will have a reaction or consequence, whether positive or negative. And I do have a question for you. If you do not take a side, or a stand, as Obama has not. When do we get to know how he feels on these key issues since, you know, he will be the voice of America and all. Seems like it's not too much to ask a man where he stands without the, I've got to cater to everyone speech.

          • Posted By: joe_mama @ 08/05/2008 11:27:01 PM

            Sport --

            The stand I take is: the one who retaliated is JUST AS GUILTY AS the one who started it.

            But then again, my children don't fight because they know it's wrong.

            JM

      • Posted By: AskPlus @ 07/23/2008 2:37:13 PM

        I'm not sure you understand exactly how you sound. Last time I checked I was white, and if I used Obama's middle name as bludgeon or item of fear, I would be wrong. I would make people of color angry on purpose and they would know it. I'm voting for Mr. Obama because he is different. Different in delivery and approach. McCain has done the ultimate flip-flopper, by flipping his era from 2000 to 2008. You are right on one topic. One never knows how a politician will perform once they get into office. But that applies to all politicians. You don't blog very intelligently if you think all politicians don't cater and adapt to get votes.

        • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 07/23/2008 2:52:00 PM

          I think where we disagree is Obama runs on a platform that he is not a politician. And I, unlike yourself, dont buy it. I guess you've been missing the post of the sheep making statements like Obama is the second coming of christ himself? Wait a sec, I'll scroll down and see if you have corrected any post in favor of Obama yet. Otherwise your just another kool aide kid. Yup, theres the red mustache......

          • Posted By: AskPlus @ 07/23/2008 5:43:27 PM

            It seems that you would answer me like you do everything else. Negatively, with TV insult culture. I see why bloggers constantly disrespect and laugh at you. The second coming of Christ and your horribly ugly undertones tell your story. They were right, you belong with those who will not answer. And you have the eloquence of those who can not answer.

            • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 07/23/2008 6:20:59 PM

              Eloquence of those who can not answer? Very umm Obama like of me huh? Maybe I would be more respected in the Obama is god world if i had 300 people telling me what to post. People like you could never lead, your a follower, it's in your nature. When a biased liberal media tells you to jump, you don't question why, you jump! Appreciate you telling me you were white(as if it made a difference) So tell me, is the white guilt easing up a tad since you put that "Im a white guy voting for a black guy" bumper sticker on your high dollar suv?

              • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/24/2008 12:22:35 AM

                Perfect and well said.

                It is clear that the Obamabots are people that need to be led, that need a "Messiah". They cannot function correctly without someone to tell them what they want to hear and to lead them to some mythical "promised land". They lack the self-confidence, guts, and rugged individualism to make their own way in the world, therefore, they need their Messiah,

                • Posted By: AskPlus @ 07/24/2008 7:21:11 PM

                  I'm not sure what you mean Jimbo. It seems that your good friend has been called bigoted by more than a few on these pages. His opinions are light and without substance, and he picks on girls like the HS class bully. He just dislikes Mr. Obama because he has fear. I do not dislike races, including my own. I understand why countries, cultures and individuals do dislike my race. I will not apologize , but I will not pretend my race is innocent now - Mr. Sportslock09 - or then. I do not have to bring up race and be so insecure as to ask "does that make me a racist" in every post. I do not have to call names. Mostly, I do not have to be desperate and petty because my choice for President is winning, has the media, has the popular, intelligent support, and is doing what we all want: something different. If you were to ask anyone of distinction and common sense who requires a "Messiah": Those who constantly abuse, taunt, fabricate and dismiss; used terms like Idol, Obamabots, second coming. Or those who do not. You might be in search of a Messiah for your childish needy.

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/24/2008 11:10:16 PM

                    Askplus, excellent comments. You did see Sportlock pick on me today. He initiated the exchange. I'm glad you posted this. Thank you

                    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/25/2008 9:43:45 PM

                      I'm not here to defend Sportlock, that is not my role. But to call the above 'excellent comments"? How about "rambling psycho-babble"?

                  • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/25/2008 9:38:53 PM

                    Thanks for the analysis. Sounds like the latest, trendy California psycho-babble to me.

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/24/2008 11:07:55 PM

                  Well Jim, so this is what you think of Obama supporters. I told you that you and I had nothing in common. I was right. I think I will stick with my Messiah and his followers.

                  • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/25/2008 9:41:38 PM

                    Interesting, because I don't recall you ever saying we had nothing in common. Past posts indicate differently.

                    The purpose of these posts is for people to express their opinion and ideas, no? That is exactly what I was doing. Why such a problem?

  • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/28/2008 8:43:13 AM

    Ok dudes and dudettes... Pakistan and Afghanistan are the "re-newed" fronts on the war on terror. The war on Saddam Hussein has been over since he was executed by a war monger. The civil war between the tribes after that should have been quelled by the Iragi Government. Sure you can argue that, "dude, there was no Iraqi government," which would be the big picture, there already was an Iraqi government even though we didn't like that Iraqi government which did not have WMD's nor links to Al Quaida.

    Barack Obama supported the war on terror, he didn't support the war on Saddam Hussein. He saw that it was a mistake to turn our attention away from Afghanistan and Pakistan. McCain was all for going into Iraq. McCain could have cared less about what would happen to Pakistan and Afghanistan since he was busy laying around in hospitals and his sick bed at the time.

    McCain is too frail, can't think on his feet (when we get attacked again on his watch), cannot connect with World Leaders, cannot manage the militaries, Is ready to plunder the land with drilling (destabilizing wildlife even more than it is today), he continues to draw Social Security even though he is ready to axe it along with our benefits, he is quick to judge his fellow countrymen that oppose him and so on and so forth.

    McCain would best be suited to remain in Congress which he is even jeopardizing re-election once he loses this election. So ask yourself GOPers, ex-Hillary supporters (which if you aren't backing Obama, then you turn your back on Hillary who supports him) and anyone else not up to date on the current GLOBAL situations, who do you reakky think is best suited for the leader of the free world?

    • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 07/28/2008 10:53:17 PM

      Cloudsmoke, you lie. Obama wasn't in congress and didn't support or vote against anything. He won't take a stand on controversial topics, except when he needs to pay back one of his financial supporters, the way he did with his recent FISA vote. Why do you think he had so many "present" votes. He flip flopped on Rev. Wright, and called his own grandmother racist, a lie to placate the whites who were outraged at his allegiance to Rev. wright. He switched from pro-Palestinian to pro-Israeli when he decided to run for national office. He changed his mind and decided that faith based initiatives (which have a history of supporting racially segregated education) are a good thing.

      Obama is not suited to a leadership role. Rev. Wright had it right, Obama will say and do what ever he thinks he needs to say and do to get elected and stay in power. With the economy in turmoil, that isn't the kind of president we need now. We need one who will stand up and say "NO" to frivolous earmarks and pork barrel spending, the way McCain has done.

      • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/29/2008 8:27:39 AM

        Where did I say I lied? Obama was voted into Congress in 2004 so yeah that does make him a Congressman. He didn't and still doesn't support the war. I don't support the war and the Americans that vote him into office in November will say, "we didn't support the war." So get over yourself and give up on trying to call people out, you don't know squat. Flip flop is a GOP invented phrase, so use it on your own candidate. I see you still on that same old Rev. Wright material... it's outdated my friend. If that's all you have, then you have no argument.

        McCain on the other hand, doesn't have a platform for the ecnomy other than standing in front of a restaurant or in front of cereal looking like someone applying for the store manger position. Obama has presented his Social Security, Economic, Energy, Foreign Policy, Global Poverty and even addressed Black America platforms. What has McCain presented, not a thang... not a thang. =)

        McCain will not make ground because he is too busy whining about Obama this, Obama that. He doesn't know where he is half the time, much less he can't even read a map to know what country is what and which Continent is where. He can't remember how he voted on issues when asked so he obviously didn't think to hard about whether to say yea or nay because he was following suit to the Republican votes. This election is too big for you. Stay on the porch.

        • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 07/30/2008 11:50:43 PM

          Cloudosmoke. I think that you missed Pearson's point. He probably meant that Obama was not a Congressman when the whole thing was voted on in 2003. That was ONE year before Obama was elected.

          As far as McCain not thinking on his feet, your pal Obama isn't good at it either. When Terry Moran peppered Obama with questions about the surge, all Obama did was stutter and stammer around. He gave a very incoherent answer. Yeah when Obama has his prepared speech of CHANGE, HOPE, YES WE CAN he does alright. But in answering pointed questions he doesn't strike me as being the fastest thinker.

          As far as policies for Obama: no energy policy, economics (raise taxes), foreign policy (appease terrorists and dictators). It sounds like you better stick to watching Bill and Ted's Big Adventure (DUDES and DUDETTES). This election is definitely too big for you.

  • Posted By: ICYEYES800 @ 07/23/2008 9:58:36 PM

    Oh, I forgot to mention he's black and his HANDLERS are ALL WHITE!!!!!

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/24/2008 11:14:51 PM

      All you post is that Obama is black. We know that loser! Your heart is black!

      • Posted By: ICYEYES800 @ 07/25/2008 1:16:14 AM

        You must be black and stupid TOO!!!!

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 07/25/2008 6:16:32 PM

          You should consider joining PUMA. Sharenews can give you all of the information about that group and Clintons for McCain. You would really fit in well with both groups. Great Posts!

          • Posted By: ICYEYES800 @ 07/25/2008 8:01:16 PM

            And I am to assume that you are a representative of the Rev. WRight's black liberation movement???/ It's all the same, DEAR, we're just different colors...How can blacks hate whites so deeply and so openly and it be acceptable???? Then a white/hispanic/asian speak poorly of the black race and IT's Wrong? IT's the same thing.....we cling to our BIBLES and GUNS!!!! I only say what everybody who is not black on this blog does and says when WE"RE HOME, with our kinds...JUST as you are entitled to call us cracker, white bread..it truly doesn't bother me or anyone I know because we KNOW our own WORTH!!!! You guys are just a little tooo touchy and the truth is, IF YOU FELT GOOD ABOUT "YOU' IT WOULDN'T MATTER WHAT ANYBODY ELSE Called you or said about you....FREEDOM, BABY, FREEDOM!!!!!

            • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 07/28/2008 3:29:44 PM

              First of all you do not know me. Do not presume to know what I say when I am with MY KIND! I do not use those words and no one in my intimate circle uses those words. I may not agree with you I may actually hate you but let's be crystal clear it would never have anything to do with the color of your skin.

              I AM BETTER THAN THAT! I WAS RAISED TO BE BETTER THAN THAT! I AM NOT YOU!

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 07/25/2008 6:15:19 PM

          Please please keep posting as you are just the type of person to represent your candidate John McCain.

  • Posted By: AskPlus @ 07/23/2008 1:26:34 PM

    Mr. Obama is doing pretty good it seems regardless this page. Although most of the bloggers on this page may believe sarcastic, untrue and unworthy humor will seal the deal for McCain, it probably won't. Obama went to Iraq for the same reason as McCain: to learn. That's not a bad thing. He even knew where the borders were and who we were fighting. He did not blame McCain for oil and gas, and he did not disrespect his wife. And honestly, if he had abandoned his wife when she needed him the most, you would not be defending him like those on this page did for McCain and his affair. I heard good Christian men stand by the children's mother when the chips are down. As for Ohio polls, that was almost a given, but still may change if McCain keep campaigning the same way: http://www.slate.com/id/2195762/?from=rss

    As for easy questions Mr. Obama has had more difficult questions and more campaign turmoil than Mr. McCain and did okay. That information is here: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4918487

    So he's had tough questions, he answered them all. The White House is mad because Iraq and Iran want to listen. He appears to like his wife and kids. He's leading on the map and polls. The media "liking him" and ex-Clinton supporters "not liking him" because of coverage sounds like a personal problem. For McCain supporters, it's a jealousy problem. If clinging to your guns is a sign of maturity, trust, love or beliefs, I'll pass. Those of you who "cling" to a middle name, you are not worth communicating with or talking to in any forum. If you believe McCain has a "price tag" and a plan for the wars, you have not read or heard the news. He does not. He's also a bit fuzzy on the "how to's" like everyone else in DC. I think McCain advisers are a little uninformed and in peoples pockets too. Nice scary American page though.
    http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=41693

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 07/24/2008 5:55:03 PM

      I just wanted to comment on your posts as I have been reading them since I noticed you on this site. They are very mature, intelligent and well thought out. Thank you.

      • Posted By: AskPlus @ 07/24/2008 7:01:29 PM

        And thank you for not being a bull in a China shop with your opinion. Being level-headed with bloggers who have a negative agenda without reason is dubious. I hope to never teach pre-school with petulant children.

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 07/28/2008 3:26:32 PM

          You just have to wade through all of the BS, there are quite a few intelligent posters on these boards both McCain and Obama supporters and of course both candidates have their share of crazies. Glad to have you on board.

  • Posted By: ICYEYES800 @ 07/26/2008 7:56:22 PM

    A TAXPAYER VOTING FOR OBAMA IS LIKE A CHICKEN VOTING FOR COL. SANDERS!!!!!!! GOTTA LOVE IT.

  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 07/25/2008 10:44:28 PM



    And today, the word of the day in the corporate press is... "presumptuous." Used in a sentence: Senator Obama is being presumptuous during his trip -- acting all presidential and dignified. How dare he be presidential while running for, you know, president. Presumptuous. During the live CNN web feed of the Berlin address, an anchor used it to describe the event. Joe Klein used it in a blog post today. Of course Joe attributed it to racist voters rather than very serious reporters -- racist because it's presumably a synonym for 'uppity' and we can't accuse the press of such awfulness. And Candy Crowley used it in her post-address analysis on CNN. That's a lot of coincidences. "Presumptuous" must really be a popular word. Odd that it's being used so often by people who want Senator Obama to win.

    AP: "In a speech that risked being seen as presumptuous..."

    TIME Magazine: "capable to become the Commander in Chief of a superpower -- without seeming presumptuous..."

    The National Journal: "He is well aware voters here at home might see that as presumptuous..."

    Washington Post: "Whether by the end of this week he will be seen as presumptuous or overly cocky..."

    Chicago Tribune: "That means walking the fine line between looking presidential and appearing arrogant and presumptuous..."

    Boston Globe: "plus the growing sense in some quarters that the presumptive Democratic nominee is getting a little presumptuous..."

    Can you feel the wanting-Obama-to-win love radiating off your computer screen? No?

    The reality is that positive coverage of any Democrat is limited and temporary for fear of networks and newspapers either being accused of liberal bias or being tossed out of the very serious barbeque loop. Regardless of whether the Democrat, in this case Senator Obama, is having a good day, it's somehow unethical to report on such good news for too long without deliberately concocting an antidote to appease the far-right. So rather than standing up as the only industry explicitly named in the Constitution and defending the very basic idea of journalistic integrity, the corporate media is all too quick to capitulate to these specious Republican attacks -- that is, when they're not tossing their ethics aside and taking bribes in the form of barbeque and McBusch beer from a candidate whom they're supposed to be covering objectively.



  • Posted By: ICYEYES800 @ 07/25/2008 10:14:48 PM

    THE UNDENIABLE TRUTH....The pentagon would not allow him to take his PHOTOGRAPHY TEAM NOR HIS VIDEO TEAM....that's the GOD's HONEST truth about WHY O chose to DISHONOR OUR TROOPS who are injured, lost limbs, or dying...HE could not benefit by the visit to the hospital....HE"S ROTTEN INSIDE OUT

  • Posted By: ICYEYES800 @ 07/22/2008 10:39:41 PM

    OH, I forgot to mention that he's got a MUSLIM name, HE chosse, and DID I mention that he's BLACK
    Just using his wonderful sense of humor>>>>ha, ha, ha

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/24/2008 11:12:09 PM

      Obama is black and that's good. You are a putana and a racist and that's not good. Google putana.

      • Posted By: ICYEYES800 @ 07/25/2008 8:03:33 PM

        NOT good according to whom????? You are obviously black...short on facts and ignorant on race issues

  • Posted By: ICYEYES800 @ 07/25/2008 1:22:56 AM

    Obama may have just make one of the WORST errors in this race. He chose to snub the guys who are the boots on the ground, that's not a favorable thing for people who have warriors in those hospitals, their families, or for the moral of the troops! Just when you think he's gonna do the right thing, he'll ALWAYS make the WRONG choice. His priority was visiting with Germans????? WOW, what a slap in the face. Of course, there aren't that many black soldiers, and so obviously there aren't many photo ops to see him with his arm around the closest black soldier.. His priorities are sure screwed up...nobody snubs the troops and gets by with it....It's a long time till November..Obama sucks

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 07/25/2008 12:05:43 PM

      Thank you for your real American commentary. The ratio of black to white soldiers is however, not as you depict.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 07/25/2008 12:02:07 AM

    All of you obamamohammed groupies, make me sick, to my stomach. I'm fairly certain, many, if not most, are very patriotic American's. Your just naive and easily influenced. Many of you are kids, and don't know any better. Others are older, and just trendy. A few are just dumb. And some are caught up in a racial pride deal. While I don't care for any of these reasons, I think ya'll are pitiful, I at least ,can smile and shake my head, in amazment. It's the other substantial group that makes me sick.... that are just a bunch, of punks and sissies. Like Hussein, Pelosi, Reid, Dean, and Big Daddy Soros. Your Emporer and High Priest.

    You know who you are. You think America is evil. You support our country's avowed enemies. You want to see the military diminished, if not completely eliminated. You think, America needs to be punished, That she's evil. You think a socialist, euro-trash, govt. nanny state, would save the nation. You want America, as we know her, destroyed..

    Well it's not gonna happen. America was founded by GOD, and there is no power on earth, that can bring your fantasy to reality. I know. I know. Hussein is a Messiah. He can manifest his will. Yeah right. He is a two-bit charlatan. He is a Crook and a Fraud. His handlers, with help from the so-called MSM, have performed admirably well. BUT, the play time's about over. It's time to get serious.

    Hussein is about to be revealed as the cheap copy of Jimmy Carter, that he is. A lot fewer morals, but a cheap copy, just the same. And the original JC, almost did destroy America. We learned our lesson, with Mr. Peanut. And he wasn't even a mohammed.

    I hope ya'll ain't bet the farm, on this election. Cause if you did, you are about to be homeless.

    The punk refused to visit the wounded. Hussein is a puke and a sissy. Probably afraid some of the wounded G.I.s, would kick his ass. He DID VOTE NOT TO FUND THEM. They know what he is.

    He is a piece of crap.

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 07/25/2008 7:57:13 AM

      Are you going to post the same comment on EVERY FREAKIN' BOARDon this site?

      Running out of lies? Running out of hate?

      C'mon man....you're worse than that....I'm sure you can come up with something different.

  • Posted By: tiredoflies @ 07/23/2008 6:52:31 PM

    With the world and all its complexities that demands that our leader always be at his absolute best, McCain is just in over his head

    • Posted By: jh35180 @ 07/24/2008 3:55:19 PM

      As if Obama isn't over his head.

  • Posted By: jh35180 @ 07/24/2008 3:54:11 PM

    Poor, poor Obama. Obama has to actually answer some real questions. Quite honestly, I have never seen Obama give a satisfactory answer to a question. What is Obama's energy policy? Granted he talks about looking at alternatives such as more green friendly solutions. That's fine, but we are several years away from this. In the short run, we probably are going to need to drill offshore and use nuclear power. Obama opposes both. I realize that we need to get to wind power, hydrogen cars, etc. but we are not there yet. So what does Obama want us to do? Walk to work or ride horse. (Sorry about the horse suggestion, PETA will not like this). In the cities they could use public transportation but everybody does not have this. Obama makes all of these idealistic speeches that mesmmorize his followers, but that still does not give us any tangible answers. I am sure that Harley will give us usual stale talking points and end it with "drillin and killin 08." Incidentally, Harley that is so brilliant. But whoever becomes President has to be able to deal with tough questions and pie-in-the-sky speeches don't cut it.

  • Posted By: Open Your 3rd Eye @ 07/23/2008 1:16:29 PM

    Are you people THAT dumb? He cannot seem to be bias in any way towards Israel or the Palestinians. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. He is in favor of PEACE between both so why would he undermine one with foolish statements. The TRUTH is that they are BOTH WRONG. Israel and the Palestinian states handle their differences like children. Diplomacy has continued to appear in tact, then breakdown over and over again. What do you expect him to say? The difference you will see is that his solutions to this problem is not bombing or violence unlike the current administration.

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/24/2008 7:37:14 AM

      Your 'moral equivalance' argument that says the Palestinians and the Israelies are 'BOTH WRONG' is absurd. One is a functioning democracy trying to defend itself, the other is a dysfunctional haven of extremist terrorists bent on murder of innocent people.

      Sometime in life, you have to take a stand. Evidently, you don't have the backbone to do so.

  • Posted By: MartinCarmel @ 07/24/2008 12:21:12 AM

    A portion of this nation has CLEARLY lost its mind. Obama does not know anything about foreign affairs. HOWEVER.....he learned A LOT from people who hate. Wake up America!!!! Obama is a scam artist who has NO business being where he is. Give us a black President, no problem, but NOT this man. Here is the reality: Obama had a "close, personal, 20 year relationship" with a bigot named Reverand Wright......who is close friends with one of America's BIGGEST racists, Louis "I hate Jews and White Devils" Farakhan. Did Obama object when his OWN CHURCH gave Farakhan a lifetime achievement award? This is the conversation at the water coolers of the nation, folks. Most Jews and Hillary fans will NOT vote for Obama and the polls are showing it.
    The Obama Fever is wearing thin. Gallop now shows a 6 point lead. Remember, John Kerry had a 6 point lead over George Bush in 2004.....and he lost in November. Same with Dukakis and Bush 1 in 1988....a double digit lead in July. And he got smoked in November.
    This is the SAME nation that re-elected an unpopular President Bush during an unpopular war just 3 1/2 years ago. Translation? Watch it unfold and watch the accusations of racial bias when Obama loses. So predictable.- McCain will win in November.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/22/2008 4:44:56 PM

    There seems to be a lot of criticism of Holy Roller for his posts on blogs. You should be aware that he is a religious man merely practicing his religion and, hence, it is probably not fair to criticize a man for practicing his religion in your presence.
    "Holy roller" is defined as, ".......any religion follower who tries to promote their religion at doorsteps or in public forums by a branch of Christianity who literally roll on the floor while sometimes speaking in tongues in an uncontrolled manner. Speaking in tongues is defined as "the vocalizing of fluent speech-like but unintelligible utterances".
    This is, of course, a public forum. Our colleague, Holy Roller, is certainly described by all of these except the rolling on the floor part, and seeing how often things are garbled in his witticisms, we can probably mark that up to typing while rolling. So, I plead with you to please leave him be as he communes with his maker in this fashion, as he allows us to practice our various religions unmolested.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/22/2008 5:43:43 PM

      She incites hate against Muslims by continually, falsely screaming that they're terrorists and should all be prosecuted/persecuted. That's not particularly Christian. Nor is it particularly legal in the U.S. to hold millions of people accountable for the crimes of a few. There are quite a few "Christians" these days who violate the Commandment stating "Thou shalt not kill." It doesn't say "Thou shalt not kill fellow Christians", it says "Thou shalt not kill." Period.

      As long as she continues to preach murder and hate - and I'm not necessarily saying there aren't fundamentalist Islamists doing the name thing, but neither the Islamic nor the Christian version is religiously or morally defensible - I will continue to be critical of her. I could care less how she chooses to worship her God, and the last thing I would want to do is criticize her genuine religious practice, but coming on these boards posting untruths and screaming that a whole group of people are evil has crossed the line from a religious belief into a very, very secular form of hate. I respect your opinion on this, but I do not agree with it.

      • Posted By: ICYEYES800 @ 07/22/2008 10:49:49 PM

        Excuse Me, but I have ONE brief note that you may want to consider......THE ATTACK OF INNOCENT AMERICAN CITIZENS ON 9/11..That's on OUR turf...Geez, it's amazing to see the SHORT memory of the majority of AMREICAN citizens...Maybe is somebody you love an care for is murdered by these militant zealots, you'll do a better job of REMEMBERING 9/11..the next one will certainly come and be more NOTEWORTHY..What part of "WE want to kill all AMERICANS" don't you GET????

        • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/23/2008 2:57:50 AM

          The part that says that 99% of Muslims don't believe in that, or say it, you stupid, hateful uneducated ass. What you're doing is akin to saying that all Christians should be killed because a few hundred of them with nothing to do with the rest committed an act of terror.

          Coincidentally, you're also playing right into Osama bin Laden's hands. In his videos, he says his ultimate goal is not to destroy America with military power but to bankrupt it economically by dragging it into needless wars where billions are wasted with very little result. We've marched right into that trap screaming "*** YOU" and bankrupted our country in the process, thanks to people like you who are too goddamned stupid to understand what's going on and only react on hate. You're too dumb to realize how deep our financial trouble is now...all you understand is that we have to get angry, stay angry, and make bad stupid decisions that drag the rest of us, who know better, right down with the rest of all of you.

          I have no problem with fighting ACTUAL terrorists. I have severe problems with throwing hundreds of billions of dollars away on wars and hate that blame and catch the wrong people and leave us no closer to a solution than when we started.

          When the majority of Americans grow up and understand that you can't blame everyone for the sins of a chosen few, and stop blaming mainstream moderate Islam for the actions of its ***-up, hateful, violent terror arm that really has nothing much to do with the rest of it all, then perhaps we can repair some of the horrid economic damage we've suffered. But I'm not holding my breath.

          • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/24/2008 12:17:57 AM

            Keep wringing your hands and fretting, douchebag, because real Americans are fighting terrorism on your behalf while you sit blogging in your underwear proclaiming to be so high and mighty and spewing your leftist nonsense.

          • Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/23/2008 9:59:25 AM

            Now, Vigil, ICYEYES is somewhat like HolyRoller(or rollette). These people are called "extremists". That is, their opinions are very extreme, usually because they lack experience in the broader arena of life. To them, all problems are simple and uncomplicated. Everything is usually either "right" or "wrong", no exceptions. This always leads to simple solutions to everything. Love or kill, so to speak. The fortunate thing for us is that they rarely, if ever, attain power to do anything at all because of their lack of life's experiences. The blog is their favorite ground because it offers a venting of their frustration with the complexities of life which they do not understand, in simple solutions to complex problems. Give them some slack. Most of the readers of the blogs know about these folks and just ignore them. I like the 'freedom of speech" aspects of it all. They speak. We speak. The ideas duel and the best idea wins. Good luck. I like your ideas. They are sound and true. You can bury ICYEYES with a flick of your typing finger.

      • Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/22/2008 7:24:48 PM

        Well, durn, The Vigil, hate and killing of other religions is what religion is all about, isn't it? Just look at the Crusades. That was Christians traveling from all over Europe, from as far away as England, all the way to Baghdad to, you guessed it, kill Muslims because they weren't Christians. A more recent example was the almost endless killing back and forth between Catholics of Protestants and Protestants of Catholics in Northern Ireland. This just ended less than twenty years ago. Each side killed the other because they were of the other religion.
        Now, Holy Roller (or Rollette) is just an old fashioned Christian from one thousand years ago who hates Muslims because they are not Christians. And, in the practice of his old fashioned Christianity, he is obligated to hate Muslims. Otherwise, he would be excommunicated. We would certainly not want to be responsible for him going to the hell that is provided for those of his branch of Christianity by preventing him from his worship. I hope that you will reconsider your criticism of this devout man.

        • Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/22/2008 7:37:02 PM

          Now, The Vigil, I must not deprive you of any legitimate protest by this plea for mercy for one of our fellow bloggers, Holy Roller (or Rollette). He wishes that the opponent of his party and candidate to be a Muslim. I am certain that he is dead wrong in this, as the opponent of his chosen candidate is a proven Christian of the same religion, but not the rolling branch, as Holy Roller. Therefore, to be correct, Holy Roller (nee Rollette), is permitted only to call him an improper Çhristian, and certainly not a Muslim. So, consistent with this gross and unforgivable error on his part, you are permitted by the committee to watch him (or her) closely for the occasion on which he or she takes the next dive to the floor and throw not more than the contents of two boxes of carpet tacks beneath him while he is in midair. You are not, though, permitted to do this with vengeance in your heart, but merely as a wake up call to the offender to be more accurate in his religious practices. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 07/22/2008 1:47:52 PM

    In today???s National Review Campaign Spot, Jim Geraghty passes on an important exchange from the July 21, 2008, edition of CNN???s Anderson Cooper 360 between host Anderson Cooper and panelists David Gergen and Gloria Borger about presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who is making a whirlwind tour through Eurasia.

    David Gergen said:

    I think it was the first ??? Barack Obama made the first mistake of his trip, in my judgment, in releasing a statement in which he said exactly what Maliki had said in those conversations. We have a long tradition in this country that we only have one president at a time. He???s the commander in chief and the negotiator in chief. I cannot remember a campaign which a rival seeking the presidency has been in a position negotiating a war that???s under way with another party outside the country. I think he leaves himself open to the charge tonight that he???s meddling, that this is not his role, that he can be the critic, but he???s not the negotiator. We have a president who does that. So, I think the underlying facts support him, but I think it would be a real mistake ??? and I think it was a mistake ??? to get into these conversations and let it be used politically.

    When Anderson Cooper asked Gloria Borger if she agreed with Gergen, she responded:

    You know, it???s very interesting, I do agree with David. And Candy [Crowley], in her earlier piece, talked about walking the fine line between being this candidate and being presumptuous. And I think that he may just have crossed that, because, you know, it is a tradition. You don???t talk about these private conversations. And it???s not up to Barack Obama right now to negotiate troop withdrawals. It???s up to Barack Obama to be on a fact-finding mission, which is indeed what he has said he was on.

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/22/2008 1:54:51 PM

      Is that all you know how to do is copy and paste someone else's work. Besides, you need to quote that stuff man. You need a tic tac.

      • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/22/2008 2:48:51 PM

        She's been on the boards forever spouting lies and hate. She screams that Obama is a Muslim, and screams about how all Muslims are "mohammeds" and "terrorists" that "hate America" even though there are quite literally more than five million American Muslims who love their children, work, pay taxes, are respected parts of their communities, etc., etc.

        In a sane world, she'd be charged with hate crimes and racist violence and put in jail; this isn't a sane world, so she gets to spout her neo-fascist b.s. all over the boards, but it's best to just ignore her.

        • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/22/2008 9:17:17 PM

          Evidently, your concept of a "sane world" is one where the first amendment only exists for those you agree with. How frightening.

          • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/23/2008 12:20:52 AM

            Bull pies.

            Potentially slanderous or libelous statements only receive limited protection under the First Amendment. Slander/ libel in a U.S. court must either contain "knowledge that the information was false" on the part of the writer or be published "with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not." HolyRoller's comments definitely fall under the latter, and therefore do not warrant First Amendment protection. We've tried many times to convince her of the facts - e.g., that Obama is not a Muslim. This is provable via lack of evidence of any practice of Muslim worship, which is *required daily* by Muslim law of any adherent to that faith, despite the fact that Obama is under surveillance by legions of press and the Secret Service 24/7. Quite honestly, her words are either outright lies or the product of a mind not designed to hear the truth, and either way, given the intent to defame that's clearly visible with the screaming at the end of every post, it's not accorded First Amendment protection.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actual_malice

            You've repeatedly questioned my patriotism on these boards, but somehow it seems that for such a "real patriot" or whatever you'd define yourself as, you don't know *** about our Constitution. You don't understand what free speech as protected by the First Amendment actually is. Go learn it, or else quit calling yourself a patriot.

            • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/24/2008 12:12:03 AM

              Your either ignorant, or fundementally a liar, or both.

              Your exact words were, "in a sane world, she'd be charged with hate crimes or racist violence and put in jail",,,your words, douchebag, not mine. All of this for a post YOU don't happen to agree with. Perhaps you can explain how this these posts constitutes "violence" and how it is anything other than free speech. So please, go argue the constitution all you want - YOU are the one who doesn't seem to understand the first thing about it.

              And I will continue to question your patriotism on these boards. You are very clearly part of the blame-America-first-hand-wringing-bleeding-heart-pacifist crowd who will gladly stand on your misguided principals and sell your country down the river in a heartbeat.

              Frankly, you disgust me.

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 07/22/2008 2:38:32 PM

        what up puff, puff, pass....gotta spread the word. You know. The part about Hussein Obama, being a CROOK and a FRAUD.

        NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: MartinCarmel @ 07/24/2008 12:09:36 AM

    A portion of this nation has CLEARLY lost its mind. Obama does not know anything about foreign affairs. HOWEVER.....he learned A LOT from people who hate.
    Wake up America!!!! Obama is a scam artist who has NO business being where he is. Give us a black President, no problem, but NOT this man. Here is the reality: Obama had a "close, personal, 20 year relationship" with a bigot named Reverand Wright......who is close friends with one of America's BIGGEST racists, Louis "I hate Jews and White Devils" Farakhan. Did Obama object when his OWN CHURCH gave Farakhan a lifetime achievement award? This is the conversation at the water coolers of the nation, folks. Most Jews and Hillary fans will NOT vote for Obama and the polls are showing it.
    The Obama Fever is wearing thin. Gallop now shows a 6 point lead. Remember, John Kerry had a 6 point lead over George Bush in 2004.....and he lost in November. Same with Dukakis and Bush 1 in 1988....a double digit lead in July. And he got smoked in November.
    This is the SAME nation that re-elected an unpopular President Bush during an unpopular war just 3 1/2 years ago. Translation? Watch it unfold and watch the accusations of racial bias when Obama loses. So predictable.- McCain will win in November.

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 07/23/2008 10:26:57 PM

    Yes, well it is a tightrope that Obama is navigating, too bad the press isn't pressing him about his pro-Palestinian positions before he ran for the senate.

    • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 07/23/2008 10:47:22 PM

      And why isn't the press asking him about visiting the Pacific Rim countries and the far east where we have allies and there are tension? or is this "IT?"

    • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 07/23/2008 10:36:44 PM

      or why he insist on broadcasting his military plan to the USA, the world...and the enamy?

  • Posted By: ICYEYES800 @ 07/23/2008 9:57:04 PM

    FACTS ARE, The only thing that will SAVE our country, IS the overall integrity, faith, and good judgement of WE, the people....called to Vote for RIGHT and reject WRONG...
    Talk is cheap, but when it comes time to pull the lever....McCain will Win hands down over the guy who agrees with whomever he's with at the moment!!! Theres a song that says, "If you can't be with the one you love, honey, love the one you're with"....that's B.HUSSEIN OBAMA's mantra...It seems that a man of color (if that's an acceptable term to describe a black TODAY) would be sick of licking the boots of the puppetiers..
    BUT IT CONTINUES...slavery ain't so dead after all....he's dancing to the tune white guys are playing....sad day for the African Americans, oh, well....some people learn and other just try to ride the wave to being worthy of historical.....but in my opinion Obama is hysterical.....

    • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 07/23/2008 10:33:55 PM

      Gore, Kennedy, Schumer , Biden are working this puppets' strings... on the world stage! There is some desperation and expedience to this. Don't watch the puppet. Watch the hands pulling the strings.
      When they are opposed they can get the puppet in front protectively, poised to charge RACISM from it's wooden mouth.
      This is creepy! It's a DNC gambit as it could void all claims to the USA and the world that the DNC opposes discrimination. A shield that grows thinner and thinner!

  • Posted By: HolyRollers @ 07/23/2008 1:31:58 PM

    John McCain made a mistake Tuesday evening, which as far as I'm concerned, disqualifies him from being president. It is so appalling and factually wrong that I'm actually sitting here wondering who McCain's advisers are. It's a real misunderstanding of what has happened in Iraq over the past year. If we are going to have an Iraq-centric war on terror policy, he should at least understand what he is talking about.

    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 07/23/2008 3:15:47 PM

      Don't pay any attention to sporty there, he's a mouth-breather. We all did multiposting at first because it looks as if it didn't post. Please stay and enjoy. we have this Holy Roller no (s) who is everybit the imbecilic double of sportslock and more. He's hung up on using NOBAMA, Barry, Hussien and Muslim type stuff. You know one of those guys like sportslock who have had their heads up Limbaugh's butt so long that there brains expired for lack of oxygen. They like mcCain because he makes them think they're smart.

      • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 07/23/2008 6:28:47 PM

        Actually I like McCain because after Hilary, he is the only qualified individual left. Dont worry about facts though, just write whatever makes you feel better as usual.

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 07/23/2008 6:11:55 PM

      Hi,

      Have you noticed that some of us, probably quite a few are amazed that someone with a name similiar to that other Holy is obviously an intelligent poster. You really picked the wrong name LOL!.

      But welcome and please ignore the idiots as we have yet to figure out how to silence them LOL!

    • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 07/23/2008 2:41:52 PM

      Good thing we dont value your opinion cause as far as were concerned, someone who cannot figure out how to post without putting it up 5 times is a moron unqualified to make a decision for himself let alone America.
      Guess you forgot Obama doesnt even know how many states are in America?
      Surely that is something a commander and chief should know....Right?

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