Posted By: svedok @ 07/31/2008 12:52:33 AM
Comment: as usually, history is written by winers.
THE BALKANS
Covering Karadzic
The rise and fall of a genocidal leader
Jul 22, 2008 | Updated: 5:34 p.m. ET Jul 22, 2008
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Posted By: Kingcroat @ 07/29/2008 12:44:05 PM
Comment: Bosnia cannot exist. It needs to be divided between the Croats and Serbs. The muslims can either convert or go back to Turkey.
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Posted By: svedok @ 07/31/2008 00:57:31
Comment: that is the way to settle history acounts.
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Posted By: lala86 @ 07/30/2008 15:47:05
Comment: KINGCROAT THAN YOU NEED TO GO BACK HELL CUZ THATS WHERE YOU BELONG !!! YR REALLY STUPID WHO NEEDS TO GO BACK TO TURKEY BOSNIANS HAVE BEEN ON BOSNIAN LAND FOR 1000 'S OF YEARS EXCUSE ME THAT THEY JUST CHOOSE TO FOLLOW A RELIGION THAT WORKED FOR THEM BECAUSE AS I RECALL PPL ON THOSE LANDS HAD NO RELIGON FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND THEY WERE ILLYRS !!!!!! GET A HOLD OF YRSELF !!!
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Posted By: Kingcroat @ 07/31/2008 09:42:03
Comment: Please I saw what happened in Mostar. Jumping up and down waving Turkish Flags. How silly.
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Posted By: Kingcroat @ 07/31/2008 09:06:43
Comment: I am not interested in living in the yugo system. Croatia needs to stay Croatian by any means necessary.
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Posted By: Kingcroat @ 07/31/2008 09:03:38
Comment: Lala I find you amusing.
You cannot be Muslim and expect to be part of the European community. That is reality. I will not waste my time debating this nonsense. The Croats in Bosnia need to merge with Croatia. We need to be united with them as one. As far as the Serbs they can stay on their side of the fence. The Croats do not need or want their influnce. They will have to go to Albanian beaches for their vacations. Stay out!!! -
Posted By: Kingcroat @ 07/31/2008 09:02:00
Comment: You cannot be Muslim and expect to be part of the European community. That is reality. I will not waste my time debating this nonsense. The Croats in Bosnia need to merge with Croatia. We need to be united with them as one. As far as the Serbs they can stay on their side of the fence. The Croats do not need or want their influnce. They will have to go to Albanian beaches for their vacations. Stay out!!!
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Posted By: lala86 @ 07/31/2008 16:34:48
Comment: first of all it wasnt a Turkish flag let me remind you ...that flag is the actual Islamic flag !!! eventhough it looks alot like the Turkish flag its just Green !!!! So dont be ignorant !!!! im sure Catholics have their own religious flgas, scholptures , and whatever else !!! So you dont need to discriminate !!! Second of all nobody wants Croatia nor do Bosnians want to be in Croatia !!! Hercegovina was split into a 1/2 becuase there are two groups living on that land Hrvati i Bosnaci ( Muslimani ) ....That is one factor that each side wants their own and that is understandable !!!! But odnt expect the rest of Bosnia places like Srebrenica and Sarajevo and the rest of the Bosnian country to want to unite with Croatia because that is impossible !!!! the comment you made about who goes where on vacation ..that is one unreasonable comment that just shows that you might be a tad bit ignorant becuase Bosnians pay there dues in Croatia and they do not stay there for free therefore the money that Bosnians give ..is the money Croatians live off of until the next season !!!!
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Posted By: Kingcroat @ 08/01/2008 08:30:28
Comment: lala I don't have anything personal against muslims until the the end of the Euro 2008. How on earth could you be jumping up and down waving Turkish flags. Croats and Bosnians are of the same race and this is more important than religion. Islam opens the door for Arab and black inflitration into Bosnia. Why would you want this?
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Posted By: Kingcroat @ 08/01/2008 08:21:30
Comment: Lala listen, Bosnia will be a part of Croatia again. Maybe not in our lifetime but it will. Maybe 50, 100. or 200 years from now. It is your destiny. Islam is not in Europes plans, Return to the flock and stop this nonsense. You will be treated fairly.
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Posted By: DEMİRCİ @ 07/27/2008 2:45:51 PM
Comment: The Hague tribunal would have been closed by then and I'd be at peace for the rest of my life," he said. The mandate of the court expires at the end of this year.
It also emerged that, in the past month, Mr Karadzic had moved flats four times in Belgrade. He rented several at a time, as safe houses, apparently benefiting from a network of supporters, although it is not certain whether those involved knew who he really was. Only two or three people in Belgrade are believed to have known his identity and their involvement will be investigated.
Serbian officials have denied reports that tips from international intelligence services led to Mr Karadzic's arrest or that they were involved. The capture came days after the new pro-European government changed the director of its intelligence and security agency. www.beyazrenkler.org -
Posted By: hasanr @ 07/24/2008 11:22:36 AM
Comment: It is useless to discuss anything with Serbs. They are irreversible. Since the primordial times only crocodiles and Serbs have not changed.
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Posted By: a1109 @ 07/29/2008 02:17:52
Comment: Only Mujo is missing and the joke would be a complete.
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Posted By: srpkinja @ 07/24/2008 13:07:48
Comment: WOW aren't you smart? Is this best that you can do?
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Posted By: memjfm1 @ 07/23/2008 2:12:13 PM
Comment: As a United Nations staff officer assigned to UNPROFOR stationed in Sarajevo, I had the curious opportunity of first meeting Radovan in March 1994 in his Pale chateau that served as the informal state house for then fledgling Republic Serbska. I escorted a mixed group of US/UK engineers and functionaries seeking to coordinate possible return of electric power to the besieged in Sarajevo. Karadzic would have none of it and peppered his counter argument with a bevy of statistics entirely fabricated as he spoke them. He appeared truly encylodepidic in his recall as he regaled the assembled visitors with a wide array of numbers buttressing his fierce contention that it was the Serbs who were victims. Again, none of his figures existed or were anywhere near accurate. A master of overwhelming debate based almost entirely on fluff and smoke. The visitors left either bamboozled or confused. I met with him again when an UNPROFOR delegation went to Pale in an attempt to stave off the inevitable NATO air campaign in the summer of 1975. He was once more charming but again delusional insisting the Serbs were being massacred. He seemed to completely believe his own fabrication. He was then a bizarre and dark almost rabid character. Now, God willing, a weak and delayed justice will evolve and he???ll be forever gone.
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Posted By: a1109 @ 07/24/2008 07:31:07
Comment: But Serbs were masacred before muslims wee masacred in Srebrenica. Why do you refusing to believe in it? Or you think , like most of muslims , that it `s not a big deal to slaughter a few thousand Serbs at a christmas eve? If it is not so important for you , further discussion is pointless.
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Posted By: bilja20042004 @ 07/26/2008 22:46:22
Comment: you are correct 100%! But obviosouly memjfm1 does not see the big deal..... He was a United Nations officer. Is that supposed to impress someone. You are so ridiculasly stupid. You now nothing of this battle of Srebrenica, nor do you now how many Serbs suffered and were slaughtered. OPN YOUR EYES!
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Posted By: memjfm1 @ 07/23/2008 2:11:58 PM
Comment: As a United Nations staff officer assigned to UNPROFOR stationed in Sarajevo, I had the curious opportunity of first meeting Radovan in March 1994 in his Pale chateau that served as the informal state house for then fledgling Republic Serbska. I escorted a mixed group of US/UK engineers and functionaries seeking to coordinate possible return of electric power to the besieged in Sarajevo. Karadzic would have none of it and peppered his counter argument with a bevy of statistics entirely fabricated as he spoke them. He appeared truly encylodepidic in his recall as he regaled the assembled visitors with a wide array of numbers buttressing his fierce contention that it was the Serbs who were victims. Again, none of his figures existed or were anywhere near accurate. A master of overwhelming debate based almost entirely on fluff and smoke. The visitors left either bamboozled or confused. I met with him again when an UNPROFOR delegation went to Pale in an attempt to stave off the inevitable NATO air campaign in the summer of 1975. He was once more charming but again delusional insisting the Serbs were being massacred. He seemed to completely believe his own fabrication. He was then a bizarre and dark almost rabid character. Now, God willing, a weak and delayed justice will evolve and he???ll be forever gone.
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Posted By: Gurman Bal @ 07/23/2008 1:54:32 PM
Comment: The Serbian slaughter of Muslims reflects a pan European hatred of Islam and other minority groups. Hitler eradicated Judaism from the Continent. Barbaric Serbs eliminated Muslims. Italy now seeks to sweep away Roma people. Did anyone see that gruesome scene at the beach, where two drowned Roma girls' bodies lay...and Italian sunbathers enjoy their frolic despite these deaths?
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Posted By: Kingcroat @ 07/29/2008 12:48:54
Comment: oh brother, don't believe everthing you read about WW2 Gurman.
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Posted By: MJPD345 @ 07/23/2008 8:55:09 AM
Comment: Unfortunately , In this day and age of filtered media only homogenized parcels of information end up for readers to decide what is fact or fiction. One thing I do know, the seige of Sarjevo was a horrible thing to witness. What's clear is the fundamental nationalist ethnic hatred that triggered it. But I struggle with this hazy perception of the war crime. What the rest of the world is calling genocide the Serbs were calling revenge on previous slaughters on their own kind. Somewhere in the middle is the truth.
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Posted By: Hrvat @ 07/23/2008 09:45:23
Comment: This is a foolish statement. So should Musllims now seeks revenge for mass murder of their people by the Serbs.
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Posted By: a1109 @ 07/24/2008 02:44:54
Comment: This is not a point of a statement. And ,yes muslims now seeks revenge, also muslims beliefes that masacres around Srebrenica of a Serbian people, before Serbian troops came into region, are very much OK, masacres in central Bosnia , done by mujahedins , blessed by A, Izetbegovic ,inperson... Maybe the truth is after all in the middle, accept it or not
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Posted By: Hrvat @ 07/29/2008 07:49:37
Comment: I see no mass graves of serbs. There were murders and rapes commited on all sides, this is without contention but organized murder of thousands of civilians is a badge the serbs carry alone.
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Posted By: a1109 @ 07/30/2008 04:01:59
Comment: So, it doesn???t mean it doesn???t exist. Try to open eyes or mind.It's a reasonable need of western democracies to justfy their ??????players?????? in the coflict which was lead very much by them and mark one side , Serbs as a only guilty part , only vilain, ...That is reality,O.K., but dont talk about justice and thruth.
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Posted By: srpkinja @ 07/24/2008 13:02:33
Comment: Thank you finaly somebody smart!
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Posted By: rockclimber81 @ 07/23/2008 4:01:16 AM
Comment: fhunter, go see a shrink and shut your trap you asinine fool...
seriously, what is it with Serbs and their eternal delusions of suffering? Surely, NATO, the U.N. and the entire world must be wrong. Surely, 8.000 men must've summarily executed themselves.. And let's not forget Sarajevo. We must've shelled and snipered our own city for 43 consecutive months, you know, just for the FUN OF IT. (or to garner world sympathy, was it?)
Yes, Karadzic must be a poor, misunderstood, poetic soul. Wasn't Hitler a vegetarian painter?
Poor, subjugated Serbs, always the suffering martyrs, at the mercy of the entire world.
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Posted By: rockclimber81 @ 07/23/2008 3:55:42 AM
Comment: fhunter, you ignorant fool, shut your trap and die in a car crash. you haven't got a clue what you're talking about..
serbs are hateful, war-mongering slaughterers eternally convinced that they are the 'wronged and subjugated' people... i think it's kind of sad, this populace-wide delusion. (case-in-point: celebrating the battle of kosovo. asinine??)
i think Serbs need therapy... For surely, NATO, the UN, and the entire world must be wrong... 8,000 men surely must've summarily executed themselves and Karadzic is just a poor, misunderstood poet. Wasn't Hitler a vegetarian painter?-
Posted By: bilja20042004 @ 07/26/2008 22:33:02
Comment: you most definitly need therapy, or you are no stupid, and narrrowminded that you can't see farther from your own nose. No serbb is denying that Karadzic did bad things, no one is denying that serbs slaughtered muslims, but why are you denying that in this horrible time of war in Bosnia, Serbs were slaughtered in equal numbers as muslims. Did you even bother to explore other nations reports on this war, not Serbia's, but Italy, France, Germany, Rumania, Greece. If you did, you would not ,make sure ignarant statements. The war was devastating on both sides. Both sides lost a lot of innocent people. Open your mind to the world and try not to be so "self rightouse" Do you honestly think that we Americans get the whole truth from out news reports. Those are fairy tales for babies.....
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Posted By: lala86 @ 07/30/2008 15:40:59
Comment: LISTEN YOU CAN SAY THAT NO ONE IS DENYING THE FACT THAT MUSLIM WERE SLAUGHTERED.....BUT THATS NOT THE FACTOR ...SERBS SEE THESE SLAUGHTERS AS A REVENGE TOWARD BOSNIAN MUSLIM BECAUSE OF THE ENTIRE TURKISH THING THAT HAPPENED 1000 YEARS AGO !!!! THEFREOE THEY ARE LIVING STILL IN THE 14TH CENTURY BY TAKING IT OUT ON PPL LIVING IN THE 20TH CENTRY ...THEY ARE JUST REVENGE HUNGRY AND THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH IT .......THEY CALL BOSNIANS TURKS BUT THEY WILL NEVER SAY A DAM WORD TO THE REAL TURKS !!!!! THEY ARE A PSYCHOTIC GROUP OF PPL ...EXCLUDING A FEW !!!! THEY STILL CALL BOSNIANS TURKS TILL THIS DAY !!!! EVEN THOUGH BOSNIANS WERE NEVER TURKS ON THAT REGION THEY JUST ACCEPTED THE RELIGION !!!!! THEY ARE SICKKKKKKKK ....SO DONT GO TRYING TO BE SMART CUZ YOU HAVE NEEVR SEEN A DAY OF WAR IN YR LIFE !!!!
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Posted By: a1109 @ 07/23/2008 05:16:24
Comment: Serbs , as well as any other nation could not be apart of any therapy program .Although , some individuals, Serbs , and youre self evidently must have some kind of therapy and maybe hospitalisation.
And when you mentioned a UN and NATO, yes they were and still are wrong in many things .They ,at least UN ,should be no longer egsist as a international organisation , because it is a US fully operated organisaton which has only one task , to ensure american economic (energy) interests world wide.
When you spitting about Karadzic you must know that in Bosnia is nobody inocent or a victim who has a right to everything. There was a civil war ,spiced with a lot of nationalism .That produced severe slaughtering campains aimed on a other nationality settlements.About a month ago from a haague prison, established by a UN , a well known butcher from Srebrenica region ,Naser Oric.He was personaly involved in masacres in villages around Srebrenica populated by Serbs.After that he on sme ocassion talked to some muslim journalist about this events, and descibed in details how he cut out an both eyes from a Serb and at the end cut his head off. He was probably a misunderstood poet also...-
Posted By: srpkinja @ 07/24/2008 13:04:43
Comment: Thank you and god bless you
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Posted By: Hrvat @ 07/29/2008 07:51:37
Comment: You petty angry woman. I feel bad for the suffering you went through at age of 12 but I hope you realize that all nations have evil men, but only barbarous nations condone their actions.
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Posted By: srpkinja @ 07/30/2008 09:54:33
Comment: Of course i am because one of your Croat pigs raped me just because i am Serbian, so yes i hate all of you stinking pigs
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Posted By: Kingcroat @ 07/31/2008 09:09:48
Comment: For the record I would never touch a Serbian women. Yuck!! They are very hairy.
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Posted By: srpkinja @ 07/31/2008 13:27:31
Comment: And your brain is size of chicken brain kingcroat.
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Posted By: Kingcroat @ 07/29/2008 12:47:28
Comment: Hrvat, What is wrong with you. The muslims are no friends to us. They are Ottoman turn coats. I cannot respect them. Bosnia will become part us again one day my friend.
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Posted By: lala86 @ 07/30/2008 15:44:05
Comment: KINGCROAT GO TO HELLLLLL !!! YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN KARADZIC HIMSEF !!!! HRVAT IM BEHIND YOU 100 %...SRBKINJA YOU CAN JOIN KINGCROAT
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Posted By: srpkinja @ 07/30/2008 17:12:43
Comment: And you can go and *** yourself
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Posted By: Anju Chandel @ 07/23/2008 2:23:35 AM
Comment: Where was the so-called Muslim community when thousands of their fellow Muslims were being slaughtered in broad daylight? Or is this so called camarederie - jihad - in name of Islam a recent phenomenon? Why isn't the Muslim world uniting and advocating for severest of punishment - public dragging followed by hanging, what else? - for Rabodan Karadzic even now? Why are they playing deaf and dumb?
And how could this monster lead a public life - in disguise - and keep fooling the intelligence when they were on a lookout for him? Or was there a deliberate protection cover for him? -
Posted By: fhunter @ 07/23/2008 2:20:25 AM
Comment: The trouble with Ms. Silber that she does not know history. She does not know that the Bosnian SS was Himmler's most beloved unit. While the Serbs were fighting Hitler, the Bosnians slaughtered tens of thousands of Serbs. In 1992, as soon as the Bosnian gained power, they immediately continued the genocide of Serbs. When Karadzic and the serb military HIT BACK, the Bosnians played the innocent victims. This little piece of history is missing from Ms. Silber's presentation!
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Posted By: Hrvat @ 07/23/2008 09:48:08
Comment: Learn history first then preach it. Croats were the most populous of the partizans. We had the most people fighting hitler along with the bosnians. In the meantime serbs were trying to do what they always try, that is to steal their neighbors land.
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Posted By: Kingcroat @ 07/29/2008 13:09:21
Comment: Hrvat what part of Croatia are you from. Parts of Bosnia belong to Croatia.
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Posted By: plastichorse9 @ 07/22/2008 10:53:03 PM
Comment: So this guy slaughters 8000 Muslims and all they can do is burn down Europe because of a cartoon.
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Posted By: plastichorse9 @ 07/22/2008 10:48:31 PM
Comment: So where has the Muslim community been on this one?
8000 people slaughtered and they can only try to burn down Europe over a cartoon.
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Posted By: Kingcroat @ 07/29/2008 13:11:18
Comment: The northern europeans seem to have entered a period of weakness. Who is afraid of a swed these days. The Serbs were not playing games. The muslim world was afraid of them.
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Posted By: Ivan Barac @ 07/22/2008 6:48:43 PM
Comment: the guy had his own website: dragandabic.com
so much for the capability of intelligence... sincerely hope they do better job in Iraq and Afganistan! -
Posted By: jorgejuin @ 07/22/2008 6:39:50 PM
Comment: When will we ever learn that LEADERS are the problem, not the solution?
As long as we allow ourselves to be ruled by individuals, we continuously run the risk that those leaders can be super-villains. In fact, we give our leaders a great incentive to be evil: we give them huge amounts of power to use over us. Why do we do this?
Fortunately, some people are finally waking up and figuring out how to have real, effective government without traditional power structures. Please have a look at the Metagovernment http://www.metagovernment.org and try to imagine a future where we aren't always at the mercy of the whims of our leaders.
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