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  • Posted By: yammiscammi @ 07/28/2008 1:33:50 AM

    Look what we don't realize is How the heck can we compare Jaime Lynn Spears with the normal Latino and African-American and low income Caucasian teens!..there is no comparison...She has the means to support a baby with or without her family. Most normal teens don't have a chance.

  • Posted By: sweetgirl*08 @ 07/28/2008 1:33:03 AM

    I just want to say F&^% u to Harpers_Fairy i dont know u but man i dont like u

  • Posted By: Allronix @ 07/28/2008 12:50:13 AM

    Y'know, I'm not a mom, but I am auntie to five girls and a boy. Seeing as my Ma worked for medical offices, we kids got the basic "talk" at age 5! There are your parts, these are his parts, and here's the basic mechanics. As we got a little older, it became "here's all the data about contraception, and you damn well better use it."

    And were we the ones who got knocked up in our teens? NOPE! With my eldest nieces, no one saw any reason to skirt the issue with the kids. "Yes, dear, sex can be fun and romantic. It can just as easily be messy and lead to all sorts of medical conditions you don't want. Now, if you don't have the stuff to walk into that drugstore and purchase some Trojans, then you ain't ready. If you are ready, and want to get more facts than I have on tap, here's the hotline to Planned Parenthood." (And to y'all who want to scream about it being nothing more than an "abortion factory," I'll have you know that it was my primary care medical clinic when I was flat-broke, uninsured, and straight out of college. I got a decent physical exam and didn't have to live on ramen for the next three months).

    Likewise, the nieces have decided that they want careers and to finish their education. They know what a condom is, how to use it, and haven't had the *need* as they're putting school before boys. The parents who are sheltering the kids, who are embarrassed about sex, or who cloud the subject with shame? Yup, those are the ones who are buying diapers before tuition.

  • Posted By: AmandaCHaney @ 07/28/2008 12:39:20 AM

    I am a teen mother and it absolutely pisses me off that people have such horrible things to say about us. Yes, there are those teens who don't take good care of their children and are not deciding to go far with their lives... however, there are those of us who still finished high school, are going to college and taking damn good care of our babies. If you don't know what you're talking about, you shouldn't speak. You aren't in our shoes and have no room to judge. We are not a bad example or an example of irresponsibility. We are a example of maturity and people who know how to step up to the plate when needed. It's ridiculous that people assume that because ONe person makes a bad example of a teen parent, that all of us our the same way. I got pregnant at 17 and had my daughter at 17. I continued to go to school and graduated on time with above average grades. My daughter's father is still in the picture and we both take Very Good care of our 3 month old. So all of you who think you know everything about us can shut the f*** up immediately because if anything, You are a bad example. An example of a judgemental, disrespectful individual.

  • Posted By: bigswede @ 07/27/2008 11:51:18 PM

    Sum1nTx - you do deserve a "way to go" or something like that, and so does your hubby. And with all these teen pregnancies, where are the dads? Also, I'm tired of the whole "blame the media" cop-out. The media should be able to tell intelligent, funny stories like JUNO without getting chastiesed. We bitch andh moan about how tv and movies are mind-numbing but when an original thought or voice comes throug, we proceed to mow it down. In my eyes, JUNO did not say that teen pregnancy was ok ... it simply showed a family responding to a crisis. Was it funny? Yes, and who's life does not have a little sarcastic, black humor in it every day, if you look closely?

    But ultimately, no matter what you think of Hollywood, it is not their fault! Schools and parents and - gasp! - teenagers HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for this. Especially teens! People in America these days have gotten so used to being able to blame SOMEBODY ELSE for everything, that we don't know how to assume blame ourselves anymore! This has got to change or we are doomed!

    And finally - to Teen Mom - my heart goes out to you (and it does not go out often) - I can tel you from my own experience of being the child of divorce, that YOU, as the strong, single MOTHER, will get all that your children have to offer. No matter what their relationship with their "dad" is, it will NEVER equal the love that they have for you. If there is ever anything I can do for you, please do not hesitate to ask! And as a fellow entrepreneur, check out http://www.toiletpaperentrepreneur.com/home/index.php!

  • Posted By: Sum1nTx @ 07/27/2008 11:36:45 PM

    To Teen Mom:

    My heart goes out to you. I'm so sorry for what you and your children have suffered. I'm excited to see you become successful despite your circumstances (and really glad to see your ex in jail). Best of luck to you. : )

  • Posted By: Sum1nTx @ 07/27/2008 11:34:03 PM

    Besides, I was once a teenager, too. No my life wasn't perfect and I struggled in everything I tried (legal or not). But I never got pregnant. It was a choice I made. I was a mess, but I was NOT going to wind up with some kid I couldn't take care of. So why should teens who make bad choices not accept the consequences of those choices? Now I am 30 years old and I have a 4-yr old. Yes, I do know the strains and pressure of being a parent these days. But when I had my son, I already had a college degree, a job, and a 5-yr marriage. I'm not looking for a medal, I just want to know why people like me never get anything except more taxes to pay for others who don't want to take responsibility and excercise a little restraint in their lives.

  • Posted By: Teen Mom @ 07/27/2008 11:32:04 PM

    I was a teen Mom.

    Their "Dad" and I were married when I was 16 he 18. I cringe when I see a young woman stuck with the responsibility of a child/children.
    I was a too young to be married woman and much too young to be having children.
    I graduated high school at age 17.

    I got divorced at age 25.
    My ???true love, high school sweet-heart??? had beat me for the last time.

    I left the marriage with broken teeth a black eye and my three little girls.
    He left the marriage with a fresh new green card.

    He never helped pay child support and basically was free to live the life of a bachelor.


    I worked 14 hours most days.

    I was able to support and keep a roof over our heads.

    I still love my job.

    I own my business.

    My oldest got pregnant when she was 13.

    I was now stuck supporting four girls.

    (My ex had molested ???our??? children).
    The police department didn???t follow up on my reports of molest, their excuse was that I was upset from the divorce. He was a school bus driver for Laidlaw in Barstow, CA.

    He was arrested, (He confessed to molesting the girls) and released due to the statute of limitations.

    Keep your pants on ladies, not only is there a risk of getting knocked-up, but such a great risk of getting a disease that could possibly end your life. Please don???t waste your precious life. Wait until you finish your education. Get your life in order before making babies.

    I can spell pregnant and I can spell ignorance.
    I would not wish pregnancy on any teen.

    One final thought, my two youngest are on their way to great careers, I am keeping my fingers crossed.

  • Posted By: Teen Mom @ 07/27/2008 11:30:59 PM

    I was a teen Mom.

    Their "Dad" and I were married when I was 16 he 18. I cringe when I see a young woman stuck with the responsibility of a child/children.
    I was a too young to be married woman and much too young to be having children.
    I graduated high school at age 17.

    I got divorced at age 25.
    My ???true love, high school sweet-heart??? had beat me for the last time.

    I left the marriage with broken teeth a black eye and my three little girls.
    He left the marriage with a fresh new green card.

    He never helped pay child support and basically was free to live the life of a bachelor.


    I worked 14 hours most days.

    I was able to support and keep a roof over our heads.

    I still love my job.

    I own my business.

    My oldest got pregnant when she was 13.

    I was now stuck supporting four girls.

    (My ex had molested ???our??? children).
    The police department didn???t follow up on my reports of molest, their excuse was that I was upset from the divorce. He was a school bus driver for Laidlaw in Barstow, CA.

    He was arrested, (He confessed to molesting the girls) and released due to the statute of limitations.

    Keep your pants on ladies, not only is there a risk of getting knocked-up, but such a great risk of getting a disease that could possibly end your life. Please don???t waste your precious life. Wait until you finish your education. Get your life in order before making babies.

    I can spell pregnant and I can spell ignorance.
    I would not wish pregnancy on any teen.

    One final thought, my two youngest are on their way to great careers, I am keeping my fingers crossed.

  • Posted By: Sum1nTx @ 07/27/2008 11:24:57 PM

    to wdjd4kjp: kuddos to you! (^_^)

    to uptilltwo: Insulting people who frown on teen pregnancy won't change the fact that there are irresponsible teens out there who want to make every excuse and blame everyone else for their own choices. AND as I said before, I'm tired of paying for it (taxes). You're right, the teen moms WILL meet people who aren't sympathetic to them. Why should we be sympathetic to them? We aren't sympathetic to drunks, wife abusers, pedafiles, and anyone else who blames everyone else for their own choices.

  • Posted By: ceast @ 07/23/2008 6:59:39 PM

    I agree with the "fine line" point; in other words, I see merits of both arguments, and have not made up my mind about this issue. What troubled me about the Spears articles was that the issue of money was not raised. Spears is wealthy, she can hire a nanny, stay home and raise her child while her money earns interest, etc. Teen pregnancy can be seen as a class issue. Wealthy teens who get pregnant can invariably rely on parental financial support. Not so much working class and poor teens. I may be mistaken, but I believe I once read in a letter to this magazine that MIssissippi has the highest rates of teen pregnancy in the U.S.--they are also teh poorest state in the nation. I worry not that Spears and OK! have "glamorized" teen pregnancy, but that teen pregnancy exasperates poverty, and that that's not being addressed.

    • Posted By: wdjd4kjp @ 07/27/2008 10:52:38 PM

      The reason I know so much about the consequences of pre-marital sex, is because it was my lifestyle from the age of 11 and on. I didn't care about anything, I was also on drugs,etc. My parents allowed me to get married at 15 because they didn't want me to get pregnant out of wedlock. Well, let me tell you, it was not a bed of roses. Like I said the first pregnancy was so scary. And then when I was barely 4 weeks postpartum, my then "husband" raped me and I got pregnant again. 10 months and 1 week later I had my second child. I stayed in the immoral lifestyle even while "married".Then I left him for another man. Then because if his abuse, I lost custody of my two babies. I had no where to go and didn't know that there were any kind of programs for people like me. Then I had two more babies and had two miscarriages. I was getting the crap beat out of me all the time. He took our oldest son and left with him. I then was completely on my own. NO one to turn to. I had to survive for myself and my year old son. I continued my immoral lifestyle and guess what, I got pregnant again. I was so scared. How could I take care of another baby when I could barely take care of the one I had. Well, I have a happy ending. I accepted Jesus in my heart and began to live for Him. I still had alot of stuff to work through and it took years, but now I am very happily married and have 4 grandbabies and one on the way. You know, I was just a plain whore and didn't care about no one, but myself. But now I have alot of passions about helping teenagers and teaching the best I can to my family. One can change. It is possible. Jesus is the Way, whether anyone believes it or not, does not change the fact.

  • Posted By: Sum1nTx @ 07/27/2008 10:34:02 PM

    All I'm saying is if a teen is not ready to committ to one person (i.e. MARRIAGE) then they are not ready for parenthood. (This goes for both teen mothers AND fathers). Everyone keeps saying thing like "they just need to use condoms" and "sex outside marriage IS ok." Just take a look around you. If it was really "ok" why is it that teens are having babies and relying on government assisstance (that WE pay for) to help them. I am sick of working my butt off just to pay for other people's mistakes. I say make the teen parents take care of their own kids (don't use the government). Get off of WIC and buy your own diapers and formula. If I ever meet a teen mom who can pull THAT off (without help from anyone else except the baby's father) THEN I'll sympathize and take my hat off to them.

    By the way, Milo-kun, my birth control facts came from an ob/gyn. Take it up with the docs and quit trying to twist the numbers to make it look like condoms and birth-control pills are as safe as abstinance.

  • Posted By: NewYorrk89 @ 07/27/2008 8:35:50 PM

    Sex outside marriage IS ok. Also, anyone who relies on the media for moral advice is an idiot. Also, there is absolutely no way that Juno glamourizes teen pregnancy. Have you people ever even seen the movie? The fact is that it happens. People should just be more careful and use condemns.

    • Posted By: wdjd4kjp @ 07/27/2008 10:08:22 PM

      I really feel sorry for you NewYorrk89, because apparently you do not read the Bible or know what God says about fornication, which means IT IS WRONG TO HAVE SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE. Not only is it wrong, but it damages the relationship forever. And if it doesn't work out that you get married, then you have no special gift to give the one true love you may find. The gift can only begiven once, after that it will never come back. Also, bringing baggage into a new relationship may hurt the chances of it to develop in God's special love. He does forgive and once you are forgiven it is gone, but you still cannot like I said give the true love of your life your special gift. This is the same for males and females. Just think of what it would be like if the parents and the teachers worked together to teach the moral way to live one's life.

  • Posted By: parent with morals @ 07/27/2008 5:02:09 PM

    TEACH THEM TO SAY NO AND MEAN IT THEN TEACH THEM TO HIT THE GUY WHERE IT COUNTS. MOST
    BOYS DON'T CARE WHAT THE DO THE JUST ARE HAVING UNSAFE SEX! wHERE ARE THE PARENTS OF
    THESE CHILDREN IT IS NOT OKAY FOR YOUR TEEN TO HAVE SEX! WAIT UNTIL THEY ARE MARRIED
    AND KNOW HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES AND A BABY, AND A FATHER THAT IS INVOLVED ALSO. MOTHERS OF TEENS IT IS NOT GREAT TO BECOME A GRANDMA AND LET MORALS GO OUT THE
    WINDOW. i HAD A BABY WHEN I WAS 18 BUT I WAS NOT PLANNING FOR THE PREGNANCY IT
    HAPPENED. i WAS NOT EVEN MARRIED FOR TEN MONTHS WHEN I HAD MY SON. LIFE STOPPED
    THERE MY RESPONSABILITY WAS MY SON NO ONE EVER HELPED ME AND I RAISED HIM BASICALLY ON MY OWN. WHEN BABY COMES THERE IS NO LIFE FOR MOM, THAT IS IF YOU TAKE CARE OF THE
    CHILD ON YOUR OWN, I HAD FOUR CHILDREN AND THEY ARE ALL GROWN AND I HAVE 3 GRAND-
    CHILDREN BUT MY CHILDREN WITH THEIR SPOUSES RAISE THERE CHILDREN AND DO NOT PAWN
    THEM OFF. PARENTS NOW A DAY DON'T WATCH THIER CHILDREN THE CELL PHONE IS THERE
    PARENT. MY CHILDREN DIDN'T HAVE CELL PHONES AND WHEN THEY WENT SOMEWHERE THE
    GAVE ME NAME ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER, AND WERE TO KEEP IN TOUCH WITH ME THROUGH
    THE EVENING IF I CALLED AND THEY TOLD ME MY CHILD WAS IN THE BATHROOM AND COULDN'T
    COME TO THE PHONE THEN I WOULD GO TO THE PERSONS HOUSE AND CHECK ON THEM.
    I ALSO RAISED MY CHILDREN WITH GOOD MORALS AND THEY KNEW BETTER TO DO SOMETHING
    BEHIND MY BACK. THEY WERE NOT ANGELS BY KNOW MEANS BUT I BECAME A GRANDMA WHEN
    IT WAS TIME. SO WAKE UP PARENT CHILDREN DO NOT NEED ALL NIGHT TO BE OUT AND CHECK
    OUT THE BOY WITH, THEY DON'T CARE IF SHE GETS PREGANT SOME ONE ELSE WILL PAY FOR IT
    MAIN THE TAX PAYERS. SHAME ON THE PARENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: njw456 @ 07/27/2008 10:06:53 PM

      Excuse me! i think your dead wrong, yes there are a select few teen that don't care what happens but if you look at them compared to the ones who have grown up a great deal and take responsibility right away you would know that some teens can be good parents! Oh and not to long ago Girls were getting married and having children at 13 so get your head straight we have been doing things like this for years and i doubt you will stop it any time soon! by the way im 18 and i have a one month old son, his dad is arround and he does help! we are getting married in a year and a half!

  • Posted By: pcollar @ 07/27/2008 10:02:12 PM

    of course, it is by no means ideal for a teenager to get pregnant since it will change everything about her future. however, i do not believe that a movie star's experience of teenage pregnancy can have much relevancy or value to a young girl from a normal background as said television personality has a lot of advantages that the normal girl will never have. For this reason both teenage and older unmarried women in the media who become pregnant set a bad example. I do not believe they are wrong to be pregnant but I do believe it is wrong to make a pregancy and ensuing baby the latest fashion accessory for the stars!

  • Posted By: azmom712 @ 07/27/2008 10:01:50 PM

    I don't think we may blame the media for the increase in teen pregnancies. Responsible parents need to have realistic talks with their children about human reproduction long before them become biologically able to become parents. Being realistic includes a talk about safe sex, the use of contraceptives, and the consequences of being a single parent. That won't stop teen pregnancies all together, but it would help. By the way, the word is condoms, not condemns. You have to learn to spell them before you learn to use them.

  • Posted By: pcollar @ 07/27/2008 10:01:03 PM

    of course, it is by no means ideal for a teenager to get pregnant since it will change everything about her future. however, i do not believe that a movie star's experience of teenage pregnancy can have much relevancy or value to a young girl from a normal background as said television personality has a lot of advantages that the normal girl will never have. For this reason both teenage and older unmarried women in the media who become pregnant set a bad example. I do not believe they are wrong to be pregnant but I do believe it is wrong to make a pregancy and ensuing baby the latest fashion accessory for the stars!

  • Posted By: pcollar @ 07/27/2008 10:00:06 PM

    of course, it is by no means ideal for a teenager to get pregnant since it will change everything about her future. however, i do not believe that a movie star's experience of teenage pregnancy can have much relevancy or value to a young girl from a normal background as said television personality has a lot of advantages that the normal girl will never have. For this reason both teenage and older unmarried women in the media who become pregnant set a bad example. I do not believe they are wrong to be pregnant but I do believe it is wrong to make a pregancy and ensuing baby the latest fashion accessory for the stars!

  • Posted By: saraha71 @ 07/27/2008 9:59:44 PM

    In most families, NOBODY wants their fifteen year old daughter to have casual sex. Whether they use contraceptives or not, it's just not OK.

    Even if I wasn't religious, I would want my child to have sex only within the confines of a committed and loving relationship. Because of the way we are bringing up and educating our children (Jewish Orthodox), I can safely assume that they will get marrried at a relatively young age, and they will avoid this issue completely. Totally different world than the rest of you, I know, but in this protected environment in which we raise our children, that is a given.

    But in the rest of the world, most parents - Jamie Lynn's mother included - probably don't know the intimate details of the child's sex lives. You can talk to your kids in general terms, but you don't know what they are up to. Mention BC or condoms, and they may or may not take your advice, or not feel confident enough to demand that they use a condom. If your child is having sex, she CAN end up pregnant.

    So then your child becomes pregnant. Now what? If you are opposed to abortion, how would you handle this situation? Tell your child it's OK for her to destroy a potential life because she is not ready for it? So if your daughter decides to keep the pregnancy, because this is in line with her (and yours) personal beliefs, she can either give it up for adoption (as in Juno) or keep it, as in Jamie Lynn.

    I personally think Jamie Lynn did the right thing. The alternative would have been a much better version for her career: a quiet abortion, nobody would have known, and she could have been a little star of Nickelodeon. But she chose not too. She chose to have this child, and care for it . I think she made a hard decision, one that really changed her life, because she felt it was the right thing to do. So I don't point her out to my teens as a bad example. I say she's someone who faced the outcome of her actions, and decided to do what was best - not just for her- but for the other life that she had created. I think we should learn from this situation is A. Obviously, don't get into a situation in the first place (practice safe sex, or abstinence, which ever path you present to your child) ; b. if youu do find yourself in a situation, do what's right - not only what's best for you. Because ultimately doing the right thing IS the best thing you can do for yourself.

  • Posted By: njw456 @ 07/27/2008 9:58:33 PM

    I am a teen mother and i find it sad that some of the teen moms cant even spell pregnant! I got pregnant with my son in late september, and gave birth to him 5 days late on june 29th 2008! Dont get me wrong being a mother is not all its cracked up to be, And not all teens have unprotected sex! Trust me on this!! I was using the pill when i got pregnant and i had nerve missed a day! I am 18 years old and i am DAMN proud to be my sons mother! Oh and by the way im one of the lucky ones whos childs father is till in the picture, oh and i can spell the word Pregnant!!!!

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