The attorney general warns that Gitmo prisoners could go free on U.S. streets. The Dems aren't buying it.
Comment: Bush doesn't want to face the consequences of his illegal actions. If that happens, I hope the are all released in Crawford,Tx. so the good people can see what their "village idiot" has been up to!
Comment: Let's send them, if they must be freed here, all to Bush's and McWar's ranch's. I'm sure they could find something for them to do; and if not, they could torture them on their own private lands and then say they were caught stealing or something, and they had to shoot them!
Sounds fitting to me; after all that's all they are good for is fear-mongering!!!
Comment: Be real. There is absolutely no way any Judge is going to just let the door open and release one of these prisoners on the spur of the moment. Not going to happen and we don't believe all the fear mongers in the Bush/Cheney administration any more.
Comment: Well, let's hope that if detainess are freed on our streets, they go directly., to Nadlers home.
Comment: All enemy combants should be allowed to live at the following address: 1 1st Street Northeast
DC 20003
Comment: Well if we have to let loose on the streets at least let them loose in the South.
Comment: Maybe if Mukasey kept his word about staying inpatial to Bush's White House he may have had a chance. Lame Duck is a label he could also wear with his 2 great friends in the White Out House. Good old boys Beavis Bush and Butthead Cheney. It's amazing how Texas is one of the wealthiest and most productive states in the good old Boy's US. Georgie Porgie once stumbled over his words "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me".
Comment: Was this article on Barak Obama or the Attorney General and his request for legislation. If you want to debate the November election post your comments there. In spite of that, it is funny to me how scared the conservatives are right now. You can see it in their comments, trying every sort of scare tactic to paint the democrats as crazy socialist bent on destroying our country. What they fail to realize is we love and respect our way of life equally. We just tend to have compassion occasionally and want to protect all people, regardless of color, race, religion, and so on. Innocent until proven guilty should apply to everyone, not just faired skinned average looking people. Jailing someone who happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time should not be justified. Yes we are in a war and yes the bad guys use innocent people and places to make our job of fighting them more difficult. But we should not justify wrong behavior and violence because they are evil. We should use force prudently and with wisely and ensure it is never imagined that our country is unjust or hypocritical. Other nations have the right of existence and self-determination. If their views are not ours, then we simply limit our interaction with them and send our money elsewhere.
If we as citizens want to make a real difference in this war on everything we disagree with or that disagrees with us, then sell the gas guzzlers, quit purchases products from China, bring our troops back from around the world and worry about our domestic problems. If we are strong economically, nothing militarily can hurt us. Right now our economy is on the brink of ruin. Our national debt is horrifying and our culture is centered on greed and instant gratification. We need to remember our values and start practicing them again.
Comment: OK John Am. First, if you want to be taken seriously, you have to spell Barak correctly. Second, if you include the middle name of Hussein in some attempt to paint Obama as a Muslim terrorist, you have failed again, That myth has been debunked in every major news outlet in the country. If you want to discuss ideas or ideals rather than ideology, then you need to have accurate facts. Stop with name calling and innuendo and formulate a coherent plan regarding what direction you want to this country to take, and then act in accordance with that plan.
Comment: The chief difference between Junior Senator Barach Hussein Obama and Senior Senator John Mc Cain is that Barach sat in the Reverand Wright's church every sunday and listenend to anti american propaganda contributing to his churches crusade to smear the USA. John Mc Cain was in a prision Viet Cong camp for about two years assisting his shipmates in every way he could with honor and courage.
I believe their experiences have molded them and for the good or bad.John is a dedicated senator as is Barach but for different reasons. Barach is dedicated to change our great country to be a litle more friendly to George Soros while John is deicated to preserve our customs and constitution and the health and welfare of all American citizens.
Comment: WHY PASS A BILL COME TO AMERICA. ENJOY THE PLACE AND KILL A COUPLE HUNDRED PEOPLE. WE WILL NO THE CAUSE. DEMOCRATS!!! THEY ARE A BUNCH OF F$#%^& FOOLS
Comment: My only hope is that the relatives of the future victims of the Gitmo "detainees" remember which Democrats enabled their loved ones killers to be released in the name of Bush Derangement Syndrome. After burying their dead, they should buy ropes, walk to the Capitol, and hang every liberal Democrat who helped release these monsters. No, some insane posturing about a foreign terrorists' "rights" doesn't supercede my child's right to live. Let the libs put these scum up in their own homes, in their kids' rooms.
Comment: I guess millerm84 won't mind if one of the 200, can have room and board at his house, they will be released on the streets of the USA, they will get every thing they need, to stroll among us and don't kid yourself, these people know exactly what they are doing at gitmo, and if you think not then your elevator doesn't go all the way to the top.
Comment: Uhh Dollared. Actually we do. Indeed,this is the very thrust of the furor now being played out in Frisco. Despite the fact that the triggerman was actually arrested for another felony he had committed in March of this year and was known to be ''undocumented''he was released and not charged by the Frisco DAs office,who will be appearing shortly before a posse of federales with some 'splainin to do,as her idiotic decision[both Gavin Newsoms mayors office and the DA and the SFPD are now engaging in circular fingerpointing with what will be a gigantic lawsuit against the city looming],led to this massacre. As expected,not a single Democrat is saying anything regarding this horror with regards to corrective measure.. As equally expected,Republican Tom Tancredo[Co.] has already demanded a federal investigation of the whole Frisco gang and a final end to this ''sanctuary city'' nonsense.
Comment: OK, just one of you right wing apologists explain this to me: How are these guys going to be released on our streets? These people are not US citizens, they have no visa, green card, whatever. We don't release Mexican shoplifters who don't have legal resident status.
If you can't explain this, then it's obvious that this is a made-up scare issue by the Buschists, via their latest shameless tool, Mukasey.
Comment: DOLLARD ITS CALLED HABEUS CORPUS. THEY COME OUT INTO THE PUBLIC. THE KILL A COUPLE GUARDS ESCAPE AND ITS SHOOT EM UP. AT THE OK CORRAL
Comment: I think the issue is that there may be no place else to send them. The same law that prevents us from torturing them prevents us from sending them into any other circumstance where they are likely to be imprisoned and tortured. We now have an obligation to protect them. And somehow I don't think our friends in France (and other friendly places) who howled about our humanitarian abuses will step up to the plate and take them off of our hands.
Comment: It's all of a sudden and magicly the people sent away for coming here illegally stay gone... like an honor system?
Did you just drop off the Noon Balloon?
It's like: the violent criminals released onto our streets from prison EVERY DAY aren't?
There's no apology except that due to the American people from the liberals who don't mind making future problems, now today, for future political gain!
There is no criminal honor system when it comes to sneaking into this country.
The assumption that those released terrorist will just go away and never return is amazingly stupid! One thing they learned in captivity is good treatment, medical and dental benefits and lawyers to help them explain things away await them if they get caught again! The Democrat Office holder do model stupid for us, all the time!
Take Obama and his rendition of Americans Suck First, for instance!
Comment: If the Bush administration didn't want them released here, they shouldn't have brought them here.
And it's about time that the Dems in Congress refound their testicles and realized that virtually everything from this President is a sham to burnish his "War President" image and legacy. Not may know that BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED, when the Bush family biographer asked him what makes a great president, he responded: "Well, ya gotta have a war!" Although this biographer was good enough for grandad and dad, he was suddenly dismissed from the GWB biography project, which was then finished by Karen Hughes. Curiously enough, the Hughes version made no mention of "Ya gotta have a war!"
Comment: Shall we tell the miltary to shoot dead anybody who is shooting at them in any engangement? Right now when they capture that person, they do the humane thing and bring them in.
Comment: I good Sir, left the GOP for independent affiliation in the 80's, after Reagan. I honestly believe Ron would have had these people fired. He was a Great president, in that he really changed things. I do not believe the GOP has had a new Idea since his time. I am now a Conservative Democrat. This Administration's sickening behaviors will linger as an indellible stain on our image.
Comment: AS A CONSEVRTIVE DEMOCRAT HOW CAN YOU VOTE IN NOVEMBER. OB IS THE MOST LEFTWING SOCIALIST IN THE SENATE. 100% VOTING FOR LIBERALS. I GUESS YOU WILL YOUR CHOICE ON THE TABLE.
Comment: The most liberal senator label was put on John Kerry in 2004. It was not true then, and it is not true now.
Comment: How Al Quaida and other terrorists must be laughing at us. Leave it to the neo-lib Dems to make sure we have another 9-11 only worse the next time.
Comment: Actually is it Bush who would be to blame since he is the best recruiting psterchild terrorism has ever had. He is doing a better job of helping them recruit new jihadists than Israel and Zionism ever did.
Comment: Maybe if Mukasey started doing his job and stop covering Bushes' ass with his denials of supporting the EQUAL branch of government in the US Congress,i.e. subpoenas of Rove,Miers,Bolton,et al,then maybe they will at least listen to him. We thought we got rid of a national disgrace with Gonzalez? This guy is just as bad,will not carry out the tasks of the office.
Comment: Typical Bush administration fear tactics, and even more typical Bush administration refusal to accept responsibility for their messes.
But now that the Supreme Court has re-affirmed the writ of habeas corpus and the right to confront one's accusers, it seems inevitable that at least a few of these prisoners may end up being exonerated. Although Congress is correct that the issue of their innocence or guilt is a matter for the courts, if some of them are innocent,
What DO we do with them?
We can't send them back, and we can't keep them here, unlike the current Republican regime - they, unfortunately, WILL end up free on the U.S. streets in January of 2009.
Comment: No they wont. Many will be repatriated to nations where they were picked up from. The reasons they haven't been is because of the crimes comitted against many of them. This Administration wants to just dispatch them to the gallows and repatriate corpses. The continued detention of many of these is simply to cover the torture, and other law-breaking such as kidnapping.
Comment: So the Dems are in a plot to destroy the nation with an undisclosed conspiracy that will come into full completion at another junction (maybe as the first black American president is sworn in?)
The Dems intentional release violent people onto the streets and and the intent is that these terrorists are freed AND ONTO THE STREETS of the USA and Europe... The release of the terrorists is a Part One of a plan with other following parts as yet not divulged to the public! Because you would not like it at all if you knew what the rest of the plan is at this juncture.thehappyamerican. And American judges will release essentially POWs onto US streetsLee Holmes I would love to see your sources for this sir, and even if it is true it would be the failure of the Bush Administration and (until recently) the Republican Congress to secure our nations airports, seaports, and other borders. If you two had half a brain you'd still be just shy of the thought power my cat leaves in his litter box. Please take your paranoid delusional ignorance to somewhere it can be fully appreciated, like Fox News. They need people like you. And to ndrock...illegal aliens convicted of violent crimes in the US,that are deported,return to the US to carry out more crimes.every website sells ad space, Obama wishes to buy ad space for his campaign, if McCain wanted to (thats the other guy running in case you forgot) advertise all he has to do is buy ad space like Obama has. But McCain doesn't, because he doesn't want to. Suggesting that newsweek.com is trying to influence you to vote for Obama in this way makes people wonder if your mother and father weren't brother and sister. Now to the matter at hand, the 200 or so people being held in Cuba, have been stripped of any human decency in the name of our national security. They don't even know why they are being held, and interrogated. Most of these people are going to be innocent and thats why Bush is trying so hard to keep them away from Americans, not because they will start killing people, but because they have been subjugated to some of the wost crimes against humanity since Hitler started rounding up the Jews. Yes I've said and yes I stand by it. Our nation was built on the premise that civil and human rights are more important then any government, and when we start violating these rights we become the tyrants our forefathers died to free us from.Newsweek again has put Obama in every one's view. Their "God Golden Boy" has his big colored flashy presidential ad spring up the minute one goes in to read this article.
Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 07/24/2008 8:47:07 PM
Comment: The Libs have had a soft-on-crime stance for decades! It was Wayne La Pierre of the National Rifle Association who insisted that Bill Clinton needed a certain amoiunt of crime going on out there to justify his gun control schemes. LaPierre was RIGHT! And right about the liberals unwillingness to crack down on violent criminals.
Bill Clinton freed terrorists. Yes! Law and order is not what the democrats' campaign of Americans Suck First is about! And yes! These terrorist at Gitmo will find their way right back into the USA or Europe, and THAT is the intent behind their release!. Each is a posible future head line to use for agitrop purposes at a future time.
This agenda is very old and not new. Certain politicians do need a certain amount of chaos going on and are assisted in it from an alphabet soup of CAUSE organizations. The DNC are appeasers and Obama's tough talk is HOT AIR! Obama's counting on his strongest supporters to assign him a pardon for talking tough (you understand?). He'll be backing off and hard intend assigned to what he said very soon!!!
The DNC agenda is all about AMRICANS Suck First! Before terrorist. Before the violent criminals at large.This is why their approval in the congress is so low!
Posted By: raddave @ 09/04/2008 4:30:13 PM
Comment: Bill Clinton freed terrorists? Which ones? Bill Clinton did not advocate any gun control schemes. As for talking tough and not meaning it, what about John McCain. "I will follow Osama Bin Laden to the gates of Hell." but won't follow him to Pakistan?
Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 07/25/2008 11:24:10 AM
Comment: As long as you insist on spouting the term "Americans Suck First " anything you say can and should be dismissed.
Posted By: Braes @ 07/28/2008 1:27:36 PM
Comment: He is a "low-Information-voter." He is a lot like a parrot, except his cage droppings make the web.
Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 07/24/2008 3:39:32 PM
Comment: Going off on a ''FOX''tangent weakens your argument all the more. What made you ignorant enough to believe that I would not already have my sources[none of which,come from FOX],at the ready? Lets roll 'em.
The General Accounting Office www.gao.gov Apr.17,2005: ''56% of those [returned deported criminals], charged with a re-entry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 occasions of a crime.Of these,49% were for felonies''
The San Diego Union Tribune Sept.17,2007:''Deported Criminals Slip Back Into US''
The Phoenix East Valley Tribune Jan.28,2008:''Police Nab Illegal Immigrant In Home Invasions''
[ex.]: ''A felony conviction and subsequent deporation did not stop Manuel Morales from crossing the border to return to Mesa''[where he used an automatic assault rifle to terrorize neighborhood residents for days before he was again captured].
There are literally reams more of this where this came from.[ye gods, In ''sanctuary city''San Francisco,a city run top-bottom by liberal Democrats,it refused to give federal law enforcement in violation of this law,notification that illegal alien criminals were in their midst. For this,last week,a gang member of MS-13 gunned down an African-American womans husband and two children,a triple murder]. Do not be an idiot. Customs and Border enforcement laws are crafted by Congress. Not the president. You will have already observed that several of these above outrages have taken place while DEMOCRATS and NOT Republicans,have control of both houses of Congress. This and the fact that Democrats are proven failures on border control,and want nothing to do with the further tightening of our borders. Republicans solely,and no others,advocate this policy.
So.A released jihadi bent upon revenge or in keeping with his radical Wahhabist ideology,can most certainly and easily,as the above instances prove,cross back into the US in order to attack it in some manner. The Dems are dopes in their refusal to see this glaring fact.
Posted By: millerm84 @ 07/24/2008 4:53:15 PM
Comment: Having never implied that you didn't have your sources stating in fact that i would love to see your sources and not that you didn't have them. But no harm no foul. Now that we have established convected deported felons do indeed return to our nation, lets take a closer look. Your sources (cited as to not lessing the implied fact you have more sources at hand) do not indicate that any of these felons' convictions were of crimes related to terrorism. Murder, theft, rape are all sources of terror but not terrorism as our government sees it. Furthermore your sources fail to say where these felons were deported to and where they originated from. Show me that terrorist are entering this country, committing felonies, being deported, then reentering the country to commits acts of terrorism. The men being held at GITMO are not felons and may not even be terrorist (yet years of torture and distance from one's family will do strange things to a man) they are humans, and deserve to be treated that way, until proven guilty
Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 07/24/2008 10:25:33 PM
Comment: MILLERM84...for your autotherapy what you should do is wear a turban and hold a sign saying "REAL? OR WOMENS' UNDERWEAR?"
It sure is strange how you know so much about those terrorist and what they know and don't know and, and feel,and ...
i didn't know turbans WEREN"T women's underwear... nor did anyone I talked to until this terrorism crap started and there was news coverage about it on TV! But you can excuse our ignorance. We're busy looking after our families safety and future in this AWESOME and beautiful country!
We do not need you to ensure it stays this way.
Posted By: Braes @ 07/28/2008 1:29:20 PM
Comment: I will pray for you. Bigotry is difficult to overcome.
Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/24/2008 10:43:48 PM
Comment: I seem to remember that there was a lot of happy-family, blue-eyed, blond-haired, good-citizen sentiment at a lot of Nazi rallies in about 1936 or so as well. And just like with you, it's a facade of family values wrapped around a core of intolerance for anyone who isn't the same.
You ought to be locked up. "I didn't know turbans WEREN''T women's underwear..." You go against everything that America is intended to REALLY stand for - due process, innocent-until-proven-guilty, tolerance. And no one is really fooled - the way you claim to be "looking after your family's safety and future" has been thrown out in such a way as to indicate that you feel like anyone who isn't like you is utterly beneath you.
It's sad. And if you've learned a thing about history at all - about fascism and how it rises from intolerance - you ought to know better.Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 07/24/2008 7:17:59 PM
Comment: Eh? Running amok with an automatic weapon ''terrorizing''[as the cops put it], American citizens is somehow,not terrorism? You dicker merely over the degree of such terroristic acts. Not the means by which they can be carried out in the US. Namely,by criminals set free,deported even,who returned to terrorize our citizens. AK-47s,like bomb materials,are illegal in this country. Yet an AK was precisely what was whipped out on a Frisco street in order to gun down three innocents,who could easily be three hundred or three hundred thousand,the next time around. You will have observed that the term for a congressman or senator is ''Lawmaker''. Then get them off their dead ones and quit screwing around with party loyalty and act more as Americans less as Democrats or Republicans.[the Democrats being the most guilty at this point as they have control of the nations lawmaking body]. They should immediately be sitting down with Mukasey in order to craft strategy and compromise that will impact Americans of all parties.,as Republicans did with AG Reno with the 1999 DANFORTH Report [Waco] . Instead,Jabba [Nadler], sez,''get out''. It's September the 10th,and no-one,save Mukasey,[who,as a New York federal judge nailed those responsible for the first WTC bombing] is doing their damned jobs. Again,you are in no position to determine the guilt or innocence of the GTMO detainees,as they have not yet been tried. Thus you are engaging in hyperbole.
Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/24/2008 10:00:20 PM
Comment: I've met people like you who used the gang argument as an excuse to call for expensive mass deportation, and it's always been horseshit. Most gangs in America are comprised of legal American citizens. There are no real reliable figures on this, but there's a study from San Diego county that cites that about 20% of the gang members are illegal immigrants...leaving 80% as completely legal Americans with birth certificates, Social Security numbers, etc. And San Diego is practically a border town.
Yes, 18th Street in L.A. may be up to 60% illegals; it's a Mexican gang. The Crips and Bloods, on the other hand, are probably close to zero percent, since they don't let Latinos in for the most part. The Aryans are almost certainly zero percent. If you really gave a *** about gang violence, you'd go after the *gangs*, of all colors...not just the Mexicans.
But you don't. You're just another racist who won't own up to it. This is just coward straw-man bullshit that disguises the hate behind a seemingly legitimate but statistically dubious argument about criminality. Yeah, there are gangs that are almost entirely comprised of illegal immigrants, and conservative groups ALWAYS point to this without acknowledging the vast numbers of gangs that don't have a single illegal immigrant in them.
I couldn't find any reliable statistics on the percentage of illegals who *aren't* gang members. Maybe it's Google result number 13000...hidden behind 12999 racist, screaming conservative articles about how illegal immigration is to blame for the gang problems of America. It's all bullshit. Racism makes me sick to my heart and soul, and makes me even sicker when the people perpetrating it are too cowardly to even own up to it...
Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 07/25/2008 12:20:09 PM
Comment: Vigil. You are being dishonest. In no place and in no time in this debate have I called for ''mass deporations'' This is a device of your own making. Further,you are incorrect about the makeup of these gangs as they apply to demographics. NORTENO[14] gangs operating in Ashville,North Carolina,may see a 70-80% ''legal''composition. Not so in the west,where illegal immigrant gangs outnumber those of their opponants. [209 latino gangs versus 152 gangs of all other races,Los Angeles Gang Task Force, Sheriffs Dept. May,2006].MS-13 is made up almost entirely of illegal immigrants from Central America. SURENOS [13] are comprised primarily of illegal immigrants,as are 18th and 38th Streeters operating in the region surrounding Pico Rivera and Compton. And yet,only the latino gangs as we have seen in Frisco,Napa,Sonoma,Santa Rosa,Phoenix,Santa Fe,Stockton,Fresno,Bakersfield,Modesto,Reno,Salt Lake City,Portland,Seattle,Houston,El Paso,Denver,and other western towns and cities operate in a migratory fashion bringing their death and mayhem with them where ever they have set up shop. And I mean EVERYWHERE.[indeed,what new violence seen in areas previously untouched by such is being driven nearly solely by latino gangs,an increasing portion of these,illegals or the children of these]. As it now stands,just the two SURENOS and NORTENOS gangs alone,leaving the Mexica Mafia out of it for the moment,are the largest gang structures in American history with an estimated one million members nationwide.[172,000-225,000 documented members in California alone.[Stanislaus County Sheriffs Dept. Apr.2004].
Your thesis is weak kneed and faulty. Few care about ''strawman BS'' when they are diving from the whizzing bullets of another driveby in their once safe community. For the first time in memory,the mayor of a major American city,Antonio Villgarosa of Los Angeles,used the words ''ethnic cleansing''to describe what latino gangs were doing to weaker black gangs[and innocents caught in the crossfire],in his city.
You have your head in the sand. And thus are a placid bystander and contributor to such violence as was meted out to three more innocents on a Frisco street who damned well did not ask that their city become a ''sanctuary''for cold-blooded killers. [For the rest of the audience that lives in regions of the country impacted by gang violence,I direct them to two pieces a graffitti which they can instantly find:
''XIV'':NORTENOS
''XIII'':SURENOS
You see these,and death and misery and grief will ride in their wake.Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/25/2008 12:54:48 AM
Comment: Bleah, I gotta stop responding to this guy. I'm turning into as bad a hater as he is...
Posted By: Braes @ 07/28/2008 2:02:15 PM
Comment: Without division and hate, without fear and terror, the fascist can not make an enemy of his political opponent. Neocon is just a politically correct word for Fascist.
Posted By: shortjames @ 07/24/2008 12:03:00 PM
Comment: These are George Bush's prisoners and are really his responsibility. This whole thing is an attempt to set a political trap so that the Democrats will be blamed if Bush is unable to prosecute the inmates. These guys should have been tried and locked away (or released if innocent) a LOOOOOOONG time ago. The only reason they havent been is the complete incompetence of Bush/Cheney and Co.
Posted By: raddave @ 09/04/2008 4:35:47 PM
Comment: So if they are to be released, then they should be taken to Bush's ranch in Crawford.
Posted By: Braes @ 07/28/2008 1:31:28 PM
Comment: And because instead of using existing law, they tried to rig a system.... Which the court, not a bastion of D's, slapped them down for.
Posted By: ikez78 @ 07/24/2008 11:45:23 AM
Comment: Yawn, pro Dem piece AGAIN from Isikoff and Hosenball. Two Dem supporters to the end.
Posted By: AlanCB @ 07/24/2008 10:46:28 AM
Comment: As these terrorists are released, the Demos will be lining up to register them to vote. Same as they do for criminals in prison and illegal aliens. Here in Chicago the Demos turned out the graveyard veto and have destroyed the Republican Party. We are a one party dictatorship here lead by major for life Dailey. This is the system that gave us Obama. He won his election by getting his opponents(black) thrown off the ballot and then running unopposed. His good friend Bill Ares is an ex-terrorist from the weather underground. Get used to it America, if you elect this empty suit and his radical Demo cliche, then kiss goodbye to the two party democracy and hello to Hugo Chavez style banana republic dictatorship, Chicago style.
Posted By: jncc1701 @ 07/24/2008 10:46:17 AM
Comment: to ndrock
what is with the Obama whine? isn't it fun to contemplate a world without Bush and his lackey? Too bad MCCain in his old age has decided to become one - he was much more appealing as mavrick.
I am having a freedom party on 1-20-2009 Bush last day in office - yippeeee!!!!!Posted By: ndrock @ 07/24/2008 10:40:36 AM
Comment: Newsweek again has put Obama in every one's view. Their "God Golden Boy" has his big colored flashy presidential ad spring up the minute one goes in to read this article.
Newsweek printing an article about the Democrats doing a no-no!! I had to take a break and get me cold drink of water and come back to make sure I was reading it right.
Hollywood and the left. Who in Hollywood isn't in the left and a bleeding heart liberal fruitcake?
Posted By: basedrum777 @ 07/24/2008 6:29:30 PM
Comment: Tom Cruise is a big NeoCon. Goes to show their mental capacity.
Posted By: Loden Green @ 07/24/2008 10:11:02 AM
Comment: Mukasey is just another Bush lackey who wants to continue Bush's trampling of the Constituion and gutting of the Bill of Rights. Can we never get these jackboot types out of office?
Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 07/24/2008 9:57:13 AM
Comment: The mess is in the making! The Dems intentional release violent people onto the streets and and the intent is that these terrorists are freed AND ONTO THE STREETS of the USA and Europe. This is some smoke and mirrors ACLU and National lawyers Guild directioning of a kind they've done for years. The goal is to radicalize America or create conditions for this. The goal is to permit journalists some years from now to contact these released people and feature them in news stories. And for political purposes.
This Liberal and Leftist move against the United States from within is the one that has American violent criminals in you're neighborhood and is permisive of the drug epidemic and would like to see our boarder security made useless.
The release of the terrorists is a Part One of a plan with other following parts as yet not divulged to the public! Because you would not like it at all if you knew what the rest of the plan is at this juncture.Posted By: garysgary @ 07/24/2008 9:24:30 AM
Comment: Another mess of W's we'll all have clean up. Peolpe have been cleaning up his messes since he was a teen, I say release them all...in Crawford, Texas.
Posted By: phifties @ 07/24/2008 9:13:32 AM
Comment: How would they get here swim? Travel to and from CUBA is restricted. Another boob in this Administration that talks without thinking or knowing any facts, another FEAR tactic from the REPUBLICANS.
Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 07/24/2008 12:03:18 PM
Comment: Do you want to regale the audience as to how many illegal aliens enter this country through container ships or across the Mexican and Canadian borders every year,without ''swimming''an inch, or should I?
Posted By: phifties @ 07/24/2008 9:09:54 AM
Comment: How will they get here swim? Travel to and from CUBA is restricted by US.
Posted By: That Guy in the Middle @ 07/24/2008 4:31:35 AM
Comment: I don't understand. We are essentially assuming that they are all guilty, which means that they should all be in prison in the first place. But if they are guilty, why don't we try them first? If there is real evidence to prove their guilt (ie, not done under torture, etc.), it should be a fairly straightforward process to put them away in prison forever or however long their crimes merit. I think what this situation really means is that there is no evidence; or the evidence is scant. However, if that is true, they should never have been arrested in the first place. Our values are what make our country strong, our due process is what makes us our country just. If someone were locked up indefinitely in this country without any trial to prove their guilt (even to a lesser extent than reasonable doubt, there just hasn't been any trial at all), we would be outraged. The prisoners in GITMO may be enemy combatants, they may be guilty of crimes against us, including terrorism...but we must try them. If we violate our own principles we're no better than the terrorists. It should concern everyone when the attorney general is raising the specter of terrorists living among us...after all, if he had done his job, he would have demonstrated that everyone in GITMO deserves to be there. This would be a non issue if we were assured by due diligence on the part of the administration that they are in fact criminals. If we are wrong even once and have imprisoned innocent people for years, it would be a miscarriage of justice and our administration should be ashamed of itself. It is much like capital punishment...better to let a murderer go than to let an innocent person die. If in the unlikely event that one of these actual terrororists in GITMO make it to the U.S, who do you think really deserves the blame?
Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/25/2008 12:24:20 AM
Comment: Dead on the money.
The point of due process is not to give the guilty a better chance to walk free, and it never has been. Under a due-process system, there are guilty people who go free. But there are a whole lot *less* innocent people who are wrongly imprisoned.
Due process ties the crime to the punishment. Disconnect it, and you tie the crime to suspicion instead, or simply to the prejudices and offended mindset of the privileged classes.
Our forefathers - the ones who fought the American Revolution - FOUGHT it in no small part to prevent the abuses of power going on by the British Empire caused by violation of due process. When due process goes, it's Americans truly forgetting where they came from.
My only consolation in all of this is that it's not new. During both WWI and WWII it was actually a *crime* to criticize the government, much more so than today - particularly under the Alien and Sedition Acts of WWI. We *are* making progess by those standards - we're free to post critical comments on an Internet message board without too much fear of unjust imprisonment - so I still believe, even after all the abuses of the last eight years, that we are truly progressing as a nation.Posted By: basedrum777 @ 07/24/2008 6:27:46 PM
Comment: That's the best post I've ever read on a Newsweek board like this one. Bravo.
Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 07/24/2008 2:04:52 AM
Comment: Ain't it funny it was the hard core GOP who brought hundreds of the worst, 80 miles from our country!! As proven a long hard, but possible boat ride,from over 6000 miles away. If the courts decide to relese these people send them home and try them there, or a close neutral country, for court! It was the fault of this admin to bring them this close to our shores, when Yeman is just as close. It was an act of a --- to bring them this close,and a communist country when we did! Good thing it's Pro-American NOW!
Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 07/24/2008 2:07:57 AM
Comment: IN NO WAY AM I ENDORCING FEAR! JUST STUPIDITY THAT ALLOWS THEM TO SPREAD IT!
Posted By: Pluck&Luck @ 07/24/2008 1:56:17 AM
Comment: If you have any concerns either way of giving enemy combatants constitutional rights and trials in US Federal Courts, at very least you should listen to what Mukasey says---after all he was the trial judge in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing case. If anyone is aware of the problems and the need for a reasonable solution, he is the most knowledgable
Posted By: BlueEyes08 @ 07/24/2008 1:48:21 AM
Comment: The essence of any relationship is trust. Trust has been broken by the White House arrogance and secrecy in its rejection of the Congress oversight constitutional role. The Karma principle applies and so is the physics of action/reaction principle.
Posted By: Dollared @ 07/24/2008 1:42:28 AM
Comment: Hey idiots on this thread! Do you think these guys will be released on the streets of America?
Hello? They aren't US citizens or legal residents! There is no obligation on earth to free them in the US. None! This is an entirely made up concern and you retards (yes, Lee Holmes and HappyAmerican) can't figure out that this whole thing is a scam.
Can I please, please, please sell you your next pickup truck, life insurance policy, vinyl siding job? I want just one chance to fleece you the way these Republicans have.
Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 07/24/2008 12:00:52 PM
Comment: Please. You are dollaring us to death. You have no idea whatever what can or cannot occur when we have ample evidence[which I will be happy to provide with citation], that illegal aliens convicted of violent crimes in the US,that are deported,return to the US to carry out more crimes. That thing in your skull is called a brain. Not a hatrack. Use it.
Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 07/24/2008 9:41:27 AM
Comment: The whole concept IS to put them on US streets. This is ACLU/National Lawyers Guild thinking...which puts violent criminals on our streets here. And the Clinton Administrations freed bomber terrorists.
On the streets of the USA many of these will go! This is all about radicalizing American society while denying this is the goal.
They and the DNC have been doing it for decades.Obama is right in step,and so is the Hollywood Left. The whole idea is to get the terrorists back on the streets of the USA and Europe. It's a scam. But Not a Bush scam.
Posted By: raddave @ 09/04/2008 4:39:40 PM
Comment: And how exactly are they going to get onto the streets in America, when they are not even here to begin with? They were not caught on the streets of America and have never been here.
Posted By: Lifelong R who can't stand to vote for Rs anymore @ 07/24/2008 9:57:41 PM
Comment: This is so sad that it's not really worth a reply...
Posted By: tc125231 @ 07/24/2008 7:42:11 AM
Comment: Very much to the point.
Posted By: Dollared @ 07/24/2008 1:37:53 AM
Comment: Poor Mukasey! He's agreed to cover up all of the Administration's crimes, why I don't know. But after all the lying, stonewalling and coverups, it turns out that nobody believes him!
He really is a fool. He had a great reputation and a lifetime appointment on the bench, and now he's just Dick Cheney's dungeonmaster.
Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 07/24/2008 2:09:50 AM
Comment: HEY RESPECT US D&D PLAYERS PLEASE. LOL
Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 07/23/2008 10:54:18 PM
Comment: And this is the problem. They truly are not,''responsible''. So instead of Pelosis Swamp Draining Service[no contractors licence,as they are scabs to begin with],we get unrepentant morons like Nadler. So much,for the ''checks and balances''that Dems were screaming about back when the GOP had control.Put this down in the books. Not if,but when we have another such attack,the corpulent Nadler will be seen as triggerman. Tell NEWSWEAK you heard it here first.
''When it comes to this,I would prefer moving somewhere else. Russia perhaps.Where despotism can be taken pure,and without the base alloy of hypocrisy''
Abraham Lincoln.GOP.
Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 07/24/2008 2:15:24 AM
Comment: I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. I'M TERRIFIED TO WALK CENTRAL PARK AT NIGHT, AS I WAS ON SEPT 10TH, AND SEPT 12TH! SO WHAT HAS CHANGED??? OUR CRIMINALS ARE NOT TERRORIST??? YES THEY ARE, BUT THEY HAVE A GREEN CARD! SO WE MORE AFRAID OF ANOTHER COUNTRY, WHEN YOU SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT WHO IS TEACHING YOUR KID.
Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/24/2008 1:43:10 AM
Comment: It's sad to see how terrified you are.
Conservatives all scream loudly about how "weak" liberals are, but the truth is, the conservatives are the ones gibbering with fear. Four thousand people die out of three hundred million and suddenly you all can't even think or see or talk without screaming about how we're all going to be attacked, hurt, killed, etc.
Bigotry dies hard, but it's dying. There's a black man running for president with a wonderful chance of winning. And if he does, all you screaming idiots who want to turn back the clock to the McCarthy era are going to get sent home to scream at your living room walls, the way you should have been all along.
And we'll be sitting here driving all you terrified ignorant people back to the powerlessness that's the true birthright of those who can't muster the courage to look the situation in the eye without fear. Have fun while you can - mock, jeer, insult - because in the end, the time of your kind, the men and women who'd rather blame, torture, murder, slander and insult rather than standing up to your responsibilities, is slowly running out.
Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 07/24/2008 11:46:56 AM
Comment: Uhh,Vigil. This is the precise number of Americans killed In Iraq. Who plays the fear card with their ''we'll be in Iraq for a hundred years''?[unknown].''We've killed a half million Iraqis already''?[a patent lie]. ''The war has created a fascist state here at home''.[another lie].''Quagmires'',''Vietnams'' ''Tet Offensives'',''Failure'',''Disaster'', all of the adjectives used to promote fear. Adjectives based on:
''four thousand people die out of three hundred million''.Posted By: Porkov @ 07/24/2008 5:28:33 AM
Comment: As a faux-Islamic-terrorist evil hypothesizing person type, I pose the following: suppose you tell me how you're going to react when your wonderful candidate becomes the face of the Great Satan and pays the appropriate price? Surely you don't buy the huge load of crap that Obama is going to modify millions of years of evolution and change human nature to the point that we'll all start getting along, do you? The only thing that has ever come close to doing that in the history of our country is a common foe, and partixanship has so much momentum here now that many prefer it to common foes even when they are real. Par example, I believe Islamic extremists are every bit as real as global warming. They are both long-term existential threats that are inconvenient for one political faction or another. To which tribe of ostrich do you belong?
Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/24/2008 1:13:49 PM
Comment: (yawn)
Posted By: tc125231 @ 07/24/2008 7:46:03 AM
Comment: You may be capable of hypothesizing, nut you don't seem to know much. You aren't really intending to suggest that either human race or party (your writing skills, which leave something to be desired, leave this unclear) are the products of millions of years of evolution?
Posted By: Klancy51 @ 07/23/2008 10:49:38 PM
Comment: The democrats will cave in a few weeks and give the administration just what they want.
After it goes through the news cycle and isn't new anymore, they'll pass it late on a Friday.
Does anyone think it is a good idea to keep innocent teenagers from other countries locked up for year?
I hate to be so blunt, but conservative policies are failures. GWB has proven it. He is an international embarrassment. It's too bad that the 25% or support for the President have to be so loud.
We're going to move on in the next decade. It'll be really exciting to see all this mysogynistic, gun loving, homophobic, racist, elitist stuff left in the trash heap of history.
Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 07/23/2008 11:14:49 PM
Comment: I however,am not. What the blazes makes you believe that these are ''innocent teenagers''to begin with? What source do you have that is not a hangwringing ''human rights''NGO ? [One such man,released from GTMO in June,took it upon himself to engage not in a neighborhood watch program or starting a Myley Cyrus fan club,but strapped bombs to his body and attempted to evaporate..real innocent teenagers in Baghdad]. You forget that thanks to the Nadlers of the world,the support of Congress is even WORSE than Bushs at single digits.[9% according to ZOGBY and even cutting them slack,a paltry 12% according to RASMUSSEN,both for mid-July].The worst in recorded American history.
Posted By: tc125231 @ 07/24/2008 7:53:29 AM
Comment: Actually. chump, several studies have indicated a pretty large % of Guantanamo was innocent of any negative intentions or behavior towards the US at the time they were arrested. How have you gathered data indicating otherwise?
After 5 years of mistreatment and false imprisonment. however, it's unlikely anyone there looks kindly upon us.
The problem Mukasey has, however, is that he has --to date --operated as Bush's private lawyer, not as the Attourney General, putting the President's before the NATIONAL interest on a host of occassions. So he doesn't have much credibility with a cOngress which has watched him do that for many months.
Did your mother ever tell you the story of the Boy Who Cried Wolf?
Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 07/24/2008 11:55:29 AM
Comment: TC; Excellent. Then you should have no problems rising from your dead ass and producing these peer-reviewed,independant studies,as none of these people has even been to TRIAL yet. You are in no position whatever to determine either innocence OR guilt.I,on the other hand,offered a specific instance[more where these came from], where individuals released from GTMO returned to jihad. Thus it becomes a legitimate concern.
Talk is cheap. Especially when culled from bigmouthed blowhards. Provide evidence that Mukasey has ever placed ''the presidents''regards before the ''national''. Get cracking. I want specifics. Not more hot air.[of course,what immediately makes the above posters assertions this more bovine,is that the AG went NOT to the exceutive branch to ask for guidence,but a Democrat-controlled Congress who told him to go fish].
Posted By: PhxUSA @ 07/29/2008 4:23:04 PM
Comment: So let me guess, these guys were picked up at Starbucks and were simply discussing homework? I have confidence that they probably gave reason for their detention.... don't you think?
Posted By: Braes @ 07/28/2008 1:39:50 PM
Comment: Yeah, get this Administration to answer any question without a flase claim of privelige. They make up their own facts, rules and evidence. They also withhold evidence, fabricate evidence and use torture.
No United States Federal Judge is going to release any of these on the streets of the US. Republicans have cried wolf so may times that they are now worse than the wolf. 20JAN09, the end of an Error.Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 07/23/2008 11:04:29 PM
Comment: You don't sound like a happy American and we are all around you! The people liberals wage a discrimination campaign of hate toward... and you're fluent at it!
Good news about your country probably makes you feel ill. And yes. the Democrats will give in as you described because their Americans Suck First campaign has brought the congress down to the lowest prestige in living memory and single digit approval.(INEPTITUDE!).
Bush didn't do this to them. They earned it all by themselves. And from good good loyal haters of Americans like you! They couldn't do it alone!
Posted By: Braes @ 07/28/2008 1:44:40 PM
Comment: If you got the internal data, Congress' approval ratings aren't related to the party in power, but the inability of the institution to override this president on most of these offensive processes. The Republican fillibusters in the Senate are the Problem. You need 60 votes to get anything out, so they have spent this session blocking the will of the electorate. Nothing new there, the Republicans have always been about the top 1% and wealth, not law, justice, social progress, or truth.
Posted By: wardh @ 08/24/2008 4:03:11 PM
Comment: But just 2 years ago the Republicans couldn't pass anything because the Democrats were doing the same thing. There is no cooperation in the Senate at all. You can't blame just one party.
Posted By: accrew4 @ 07/23/2008 11:33:52 PM
Comment: Yea, guess everyone in the world just hates Americans. Then why, have everyone I have talked to in the last two years wanted to know how to come to the US? I have only lived in 7 countries the last two years, not just spending 2 weeks in the tourest sections either. Sure they may not like GWB's foreign polices, but they still want to live the US life style and enjoy the freedoms that we take for granted.
What have you done to help protect these freedoms that you so enjoy? The US government system at it's worst is still better that anything else the other people of the world have to live and die under. If you do not think this is true then turn your TV off and live somewhere other than your livingroom. Experience life first hand, not through National Geographic or The New Yorker. Fear is lifes way of telling you to wake up.Posted By: misterharban @ 07/23/2008 10:28:12 PM
Comment: No fear? Then just let them go in New York City. The biggest consolation of all of this, is that after years of fearmongering and mismanagement, the current administration will be gone. The biggest frustration is that no matter how many Americans might be killed in the future by terrorists, the Democrats will simply blame the Republicans and continue to wash their hands of any possible complicity. The truest statement they will ever make is that they are not responsible.
Posted By: accrew4 @ 07/23/2008 10:58:39 PM
Comment: Not Responsible? When did the 9-11 terrorist learn to fly in the US on expired visias. Enter the country with fake passports and lie on visa applications. Who sat back when our embassies were bombed, the Cole was blown up, and the troops in Saudi were bombed/killed. AND DID NOTHING. Guess it was Bush's fault. IDIOTS you deserve to have these people live next door to your families.
Posted By: raddave @ 09/04/2008 5:13:53 PM
Comment: Sorry dude, none of the terrorists came to America on fake passports, they all entered the country legally. The attacks on 9/11 were in fact Bush's fault because he was president when they occured, and because he had receieved many warnings that there was going to be a terror attack on the U.S. and he did not pay attention to them. You try to blame Clinton for 9/11 but you give Bush Sr. a pass on the 1993 WTC bobmings that occured less than two months after Clinton became president. Also, you say that Clinton sat back when our embassies were bombed, but you fail to mention that Clinton was criticized for bobming Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan as an attempt to shift focus from the Lewisnki scandal. Also, that the Cole attack happened in Oct 2000, three months before Bush took office and the official investigation was not complete until after he took office and he did nothing in response to it.
Posted By: misterharban @ 07/24/2008 7:32:49 AM
Comment: In this case not responsible = irresponsible. Sorry you missed the sarcasm.
Bush has given the Dems a free pass for all of eternity -- at least as far as the Dems are concerned. They can take credit for all of the good stuff and blame Bush for all the rest -- just like they do right now.
Posted By: Braes @ 07/28/2008 1:58:19 PM
Comment: What good stuff? Take credit for what? As far as saying this president gave the opposition a pass? Huh? Anyone, even a Republican, who disagreed with these people have had their reputations tarnished, careers destroyed, etc. (General Powell)
I guess you and Phil Gramm think things are just fine and that none of the economic shennanigans or outright lawbreaking matter.
Wave the bloody shirt, it's all you have left.Posted By: basedrum777 @ 07/24/2008 11:07:03 AM
Comment: You act as if Regan wasn't arming these militias in the 1980's? He wasn't putting Saddam and the Taliban into power to fight the Big Red machine? To think that his arming of them was less harmful than Clinton's attempt to have peace for 8 years is pure dumb republican chatter. And last time I checked the last transmission about terrorism before 9/11 was given to Bush while he was on a long vacation and ignored thoroughly. TO imply that he had no hand in the consequences is to be blinded by partisan antics. He was in offce when it happened for 8 months no less. He couldn't have done anything in those 8 months? He took alll of 10 days to decide to start a war with Iraq but 8 months wasn't enough to do something about terrorism going on since the 80s? Give me a break, Neocons.
Posted By: misterharban @ 07/24/2008 11:52:01 AM
Comment: You act as if no democrat in any administration had any responsibility whatsoever for any of this. Consider the radical concept that so-called leaders of all stripes have screwed up. Neither Democrats nor Republicans have a monopoly on brilliance or perfection. Nor does either party have a monopoly on stupidity. What the Democrats have had for years now is perfect 20-20 hindsight. They will get their chance in January. Maybe then we will see brilliance in action. Or not.
Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 07/23/2008 10:25:02 PM
Comment: Jaba The Hutt [AKA Jerrold Nadler],is full of sh.t. According to the laws set forth by our own courts,these individuals could most certainly be set free,if not in America[to which these can return,even illegally],then to other nations that ''do not practice torture''whereby they can niftily,a la Mohammed Atta,begin setting up Hamburg-style cells right under the noses of the usually lax Euros,South Americans,or Asian nations where they are released to. Nadler,a piece of garbage even under the best of circumstances[mores the pity that New Yawkers must endure the man],plainly punts the ball downfield to the courts without offering a scintilla of guidence,a guidence,we will inform readers,that has been given by Congress to Attorneys Generals of the United States since the time of Washington,and in less dire circumstances. ''Feisty'',my ass. This man is a fat,cowardly slug,and is performing a disservice to his nation at a time when an AG openly comes towards Congress to ask assistance,rather than pulling a Gonzales or a Halderman/Erlichman. Here is your ''New Era''America. Courtesy of the Democrats. When the smoke clears from the next pile of rubble,who will you blame then?
Posted By: Braes @ 07/28/2008 1:52:28 PM
Comment: When the smoke clears from a next horrible attack here, I will blame Bush for blowing off Bin Laden, and going off stealing oil. As for someone setting up cells elsewhere with impunity, that is such trash. Since 9/11, 7/7, Madrid, Bali, and others, the world has woken up. Germany, France, Britain and yes Russia are providing us actionable intelligence and giving us aid and assistance in this long-war.
Now, I am not a big fan of Mr. Nadler either, but the Jabba refrence is what destroys the rest of your argument. Bush blew it. Cheney hijacked the policy and got Bush his "war" and I do well remember him saying He no lnger cared about Bin Laden, who attacked us.
Mukasey is a continuation of the policy in lock-step with Bush. On the wall of his office is a picture of Eric Blair. Nothing could be possibly more telling. (Go use your Google...)Posted By: accrew4 @ 07/23/2008 10:21:59 PM
Comment: olderwiser, I would rather answer a few questions under any conditions. Better that having my head cut off, do you forget how they treat their prisoners?
Posted By: Braes @ 07/28/2008 1:36:11 PM
Comment: If you feel that their methods produce a safer world, by all means, go live there. Torture is wrong.
