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  • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/28/2008 1:16:54 PM

    The GOP have sabotaged, mangled, strangled and torn up the Constitution for last 16 years, maybe longer. All I know is their way of governing has left me "gassed" and "taxed". Mutiny on American History I tell ya.

    • Posted By: neocon @ 07/28/2008 1:39:45 PM

      You mean the democrats and GOP (Clinton was prez for 8 of your 16 yrs). Both partys are crap. I would love to se a viable third party in this country.

      • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/28/2008 1:49:00 PM

        Short of Billy Bob and the Lewinsky thing, it's just the GOP partner. Re-districting to win votes, ballot tampering to win presidential elections, lobbyist ties to corruption, using pages for self gratification, sex triangles, men's restroom stalls, paid flights around the world using tax payer money... the list goes on and on and that's just the GOP. Yeah, we dems have issues too but don't even come close to the GOP. But to say neocon and say "viable" third party, come on.

        • Posted By: neocon @ 07/28/2008 2:16:51 PM

          Cloudosmoke, I've live and worked in the DC for 25 years. There is very little difference between the Dems and GOP in this city. The arguements you use above could be used for both parties. Look at the news about Rangel and his apartments. The mayor of Detroit. Neither party has any claim to saint hood, they are different sides of the same coin. Things won't change until we can vote "none of the above".

          • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/28/2008 2:57:43 PM

            That's cool. But don't see that happening until after the old passes away and things become anew. Realistically, media talking up young republicans and your moniker "neocon" still sounds like the old ways will stick around for some time with new titles. Obama is a "none of the above" as far as I can tell. But if you are referring to new democracy, then what short of reframing the Constitution? My ears are open to options.

            • Posted By: neocon @ 07/28/2008 3:16:41 PM

              If you look at many of his positions they are the tradition democrat fair in a new hip flashy package. The man gives a great feel good speech. In that way he is a lot like Regan. My biggest problem with him is when you start to dig and look at the numbers with the programs he is proposing it would kill the economy of this country. For example, his global war on poverty. He is proposing that the USA contribute .7% of our GNP or 845 billion dollars to global poverty. That breaks down to $2500 for every man woman child in the USA. I have a family of 4, that???s $10,000. I would be sending overseas. This is just one example, his platform is full of these proposals.

              • Posted By: neocon @ 07/28/2008 3:47:37 PM

                The constitution does not limit us to a 2 party system. We have had third party make an attempt to become viable throughout our history (the Republican Party at one time was a third party I believe). Unfortunately the third parties we have now have become the home of nut jobs on both the right and left. Until we get a mainstream that can bleed support from both parties (neither party will like someone else playing in their sandbox and will do everything in their power to kill it) it will be business as usual. With approval rates for congress a 9% and the president???s approval around 30% something needs to put the fear of god into these people.

              • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/28/2008 3:33:47 PM

                "His" is a rather strong term since it is an initiative which Bush should have committed to in the first place as it's sponsored by Republicans and Democrats alike. I have a family of four myself and that's just me and three daughters. I don't see how I would feel the pinch you speak of by feeding the less fortunate. I don't get that portion of your statement.

                • Posted By: neocon @ 07/28/2008 3:43:14 PM

                  We already do more to feed the poor world wide than any country on earth. When some country has a natural disaster what country is first inline to supply food, water, medical? Us, how much of that money do you think will end up in third world dictators bank accounts. Very pie in the sky, very unpractical.

      • Posted By: Jurr @ 07/28/2008 1:49:08 PM

        Agreed on the third party bit....

        I think Cloud was including the latter Clinton years when the GOP had taken over Congress.....

  • Posted By: cabebet @ 07/28/2008 3:28:17 PM

    McCain just isn't photogenic - but then again who is after doing 5 years of hard time and lots of plastic surgery? Not to mention most people are uncomfortable trying to talk about stuff they just learned of yesterday - it kinda makes sense

  • Posted By: dunnhaupt @ 07/28/2008 2:57:19 PM

    Unfortunately for McCain there is a lot that even clever staging can't fix. He looked terribly old and tired standing next to a healthy, tanned George Bush Sr.-- a man 15 years his senior. And when he stumbles over a simple question, or when he calls Putin the President of Germany, one wonders how he could ever handle the grueling job of a President with a myriad of facts and dates and names thrown at him every day.

  • Posted By: Jurr @ 07/28/2008 2:05:38 PM

    No wonder McCain is losing the photo ops, he is standing in front of German sausage haus while Obama is drawing 200,000 in Germany- It was incredible to see that many foreigners at one time waving American flags that weren't on fire.

  • Posted By: MartinCarmel @ 07/28/2008 1:09:57 AM

    America is finally starting to ask questions. Obama is the biggest used car salesman (with a nice smile and good delivery) the media has EVER tried to shove down America's throat.

    McCain is the better man by a long shot and he is SO much more qualified.

    But....here is another biggie.....McCain never had a close "20 year relationsip" with a bunch of racist friends like Obama has, no matter what liberals will try to claim just because McCain is on the GOP ticket. The "good reverand" Jeremiah Wright is a bigot, no different from Archie Bunker or David Duke. This is what American are really talking about at the water cooler folks. Believe it. And Wright's close friend is Louis Farrakhan, THE biggist racist in America. Birds of a Feather....

    Jews and many Hillary fans will not vote for Obama.

    The media's love fest will eventually kill Obama's campaign. (And the TV spots about his racist friend, Rev. Wright, are not even on yet) And....the debates are going to be fun to watch. McCain will win it right there. Watch closely.

    America was indeed fooled by the CIA on Iraq.....and now some Americans are falling for the used car salesman.

    But....remember, this is the same nation that re-elected an unpopular George W. Bush in 2004....during....an unpopular war. - McCain will win in November.

    • Posted By: jnakhoul @ 07/28/2008 1:41:20 PM

      i hope not or im off of this. lets get this straight, george bush lied, so did the cia, but that doesn't change the facts. McCain has been endorsed by hate-mongors also but for whatever reason nobody has equated him to some vast anti-islam conspiracy. The oppinions of mr. wright and mr. farrakhan are their own. not mr. obama's, so get past that. now the statements about the debates are just absurd. the whole reason mr.mccain has proposed his silly town-hall meetings instead of a national debate is because he would be commiting campaign suicide if he engaged mr. obama in a serious debate. Theres no debate about who is the better spoken candidate. If Mr. mccain dare challenge mr. obama he would be DESTROYED.

  • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/28/2008 12:56:29 PM

    Anyone ready to vote in McCain or support the GOP by voting for R. Paul (who by the way doesn't know anything about being a commander of military) is a person that can have their leg peed on and believe it's raining.

    • Posted By: Skallywag @ 07/28/2008 1:29:02 PM

      rephrase: Anyone ready to vote for Obama (who by the way doesn't know anything about being a commander of military) is a person that can have their leg peed on and believe it's raining.

      • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/28/2008 1:34:00 PM

        Get your own hater. =)

  • Posted By: timrogers @ 07/28/2008 12:57:13 PM

    Mr. McCain loses his already limited appeal when he tries to be someone or something he is not. Let the real McCain campaign, flaws and all. He may not be equal to Mr. Obama on the campaign trail, but if he remains genuine he can hang in there. He has already changed too much for anyone watching closely. What does he stand for if his media image becomes more important than his own personality? Mr. McCain does not need a media makeover to get elected. His best chance is to stick to being himself.

    • Posted By: josemarti @ 07/28/2008 1:09:58 PM

      Dear Timrogers: You are calling on McCain to remain "genuine." What does this mean? Can this bring him the emotional connection that he needs to make with the American voters? How can he connect with the voters in a way that makes them feel safe, and comfortable, and that reaffirms their values? How can he make them feel understood? How can he make them fearful and suspicious of Obama without appearing to be negative, and angry, and a nay sayer.

  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 07/28/2008 12:56:59 PM

    Boo hoo hoo!!!..the media this, the media that......oh, woe is me...boo hoo.

    Reality check, folks......we all know the American media's NUMBER 1 concern is RATINGS. Whether it's Pam Anderson, Brittney Spears, Anna Nicole Smith, Hurricane Katrina, Mike Tyson, or what Elliot Spitzer's hooker had for breakfast. Networks, publishers, and news outlets are ratings WHORES.

    Point blank........MCCAIN does not generate the ratings that OBAMA does. Whether you like the campaign's political platforms, or not, whoever generates the most ratings by the AMERICAN viewing public will get the most coverage.

    When McCain is on the "tube", American's change the channel. When McCain is the topic of radio conversation, Americans turn the dial.

    Why do CONSERVATIVE stations talk more about OBAMA than their own candidate?!?!?!

    Get outta the Matrix, people!!!!! And stop bytching!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/28/2008 12:51:47 PM

    Pakistan and Afghanistan are the "re-newed" fronts on the war on terror. The war on Saddam Hussein has been over since he was executed by a war monger. The civil war between the tribes after that should have been quelled by the Iragi Government. Sure you can argue that, "there was no Iraqi government," which would be the big picture, however, there already was an Iraqi government even though we didn't like that Iraqi government which did not have WMD's nor links to Al Quaida.

    Barack Obama supported the war on terror, he didn't support the war on Saddam Hussein. He saw that it was a mistake to turn our attention away from Afghanistan and Pakistan. McCain was all for going into Iraq. McCain could have cared less about what would happen to Pakistan and Afghanistan since he was busy laying around in hospitals and his sick bed at the time.

    McCain is too frail, can't think on his feet (when we get attacked again on his watch), cannot connect with World Leaders, cannot manage the militaries, Is ready to plunder the land with drilling (destabilizing wildlife even more than it is today), he continues to draw Social Security even though he is ready to axe it along with our benefits, he is quick to judge his fellow countrymen that oppose him and so on and so forth.

    McCain would best be suited to remain in Congress which he is even jeopardizing re-election once he loses this election. So ask yourself GOPers, ex-Hillary supporters (which if you aren't backing Obama, then you turn your back on Hillary who supports him) and anyone else not up to date on the current GLOBAL situations, who do you reakky think is best suited for the leader of the free world?

  • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/28/2008 12:46:37 PM

    McCain's true colors are coming out like a flood of red with his stance on Affirmative Action in Arizona. He is a hater of all that does not benefit the Republican party. He despises the Democratic process and would just assume knock down the pillars of Justice that has been rebuilt on the backs of the people. Obama will re-unite our divided country the same way MLK Jr did by standing up to the hatred and evil of the few. This is a test of what the Constitution was made for. If it fails, this country fails.

  • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 07/28/2008 12:46:03 PM

    McCain has voted against VA benefits such as medical facilities, outpatient care and increasing the funding. Suicides are on the rise. And also 22,000 vets, I REPEAT 22,000!!!! vets have called the Suicide Hotline with him in congress and Bush at the controls. That's utter craziness. No one should have to go through what our troops have gone through. I have family and friends in the service that have to deal with this crap and McCain will only make it worse. He doesn't know what goes on in the VA hospitals because he never visits the troops!!!

    McCain doesn't want to know what goes on with the veterans because he doesn't know what to do with problems they face. Obama has a vision to cover the woes that plague out VA system. Once we attain a coalition of countries to fight terrorism then we can focus on the United States and our economy. We need to bring countries together to fight terrorism instead of trying to fight it by ourselves. He has already set that in motion. Once that is accomplished we will be able to really say, yes we can!!!

    McCain is a "we can do it all by ourselves" fame seeker. Can't solve any problems that way. It will only make things worse.

    Obama is the candidate for the future. 22,000 servicemen contemplating suicide and all the militaries are asking for our true support come November.

  • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 07/28/2008 12:40:53 PM

    Skallway, The media and everyone else is swept up with Barack Hussien Obama because he is the intellegent choice. McCain proof that every time he opens his pie-hole. The fact that you can't understand it is certainly not suprising. Turn the dial if it's hurting your head. If the only thing you can say about mcCain is that you doubt he can refloat the ship that the republicans ran aground, isn't it time for a President who can at least retrieve his email?

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 07/28/2008 12:11:13 PM

    Those by "nature" really againts a good candidate as Obama can still get Republican candidate by attending Ron Paul convention and Vote for him in fall,i think Ron Paul is much better Republican than John McCain itself.

    Maverick GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul has booked an arena in Minneapolis for a "mini-convention" that could steal some of John McCain's thunder just days before he accepts the Republican nomination.
    A Paul campaign aide said the Texas congressman hopes to pack about 11,000 supporters into the Williams Arena at the University of Minnesota on Sept. 2, which coincides with the second day of the Republican National Convention at the Xcel Energy Center in neighboring St. Paul.

    Paul, 72, will announce details for the rally Thursday at the start of the Texas Republican Convention in Houston.

    The campaign hopes the daylong event will "send a message to the Republican Party," Paul campaign spokesman Jesse Benton tells the Tribune-Review.

    I heard the 11,000 tickets is almost SOLD-OUT

  • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 07/26/2008 11:47:52 PM

    McCheesy, McConventional, McCliche, McCain...

    • Posted By: misterharban @ 07/27/2008 12:23:56 AM

      It remains to be seen if Obama has any inclination whatsoever to bring the country together. It is crystal clear, however, that his name calling partisans don't give a McCrap about moving toward national unity. When this election is over, Obama's supporters will have managed to permanently alienate everyone that Obama has claimed would ultimately joined his brave new world. Yes we can! Baloney

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 07/28/2008 11:39:05 AM

        Why exactly do you CARE what any supporters of either McCain or Obama have to say? This is a discussion board, an opinion board true, But in the end you should really only listen to the candidates themselves. I read the posts and add my comments, but in the end I really do not care what any supporter thinks, McCain's and Obama's are the only opinions and views that matter to me.

      • Posted By: joe_mama @ 07/27/2008 5:42:46 AM

        yeah....that's right....the name calling and negativity are all from Obama's supporters....Republicans NEVER do anyyhing like that....they're all about unity!.

        what are you a freakin' idiot? Only half-witted, old morons like you think that.

        Love,
        An Obama Supporter

        • Posted By: misterharban @ 07/27/2008 8:56:49 AM

          No, the name calling and negativity are clearly from both sides. Obama, however, is the candidate running on the premise that he will transcend that. Of course we all expect the worst from knuckle dragging, mouth breathing Republicans. It appears that, for all of his promise, Obama is not capable of leading his partisans toward higher ground. Certainly your uncivil response validates that we cannot hope for better from the people who will sweep him into office.

          • Posted By: joe_mama @ 07/27/2008 3:14:00 PM

            "Certainly your uncivil response validates that we cannot hope for better from the people who will sweep him into office."

            It's called satire.

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/27/2008 4:31:45 PM

              Huh? You proved misterharban's point right there in your post above by giving a round of name-calling.

              • Posted By: joe_mama @ 07/27/2008 4:44:08 PM

                let me guess --

                you thought the Newsweek cover was true too....right?

                • Posted By: joe_mama @ 07/27/2008 4:45:38 PM

                  I meant New Yorker...

                  (the timing...it's all about timing....)

            • Posted By: misterharban @ 07/27/2008 3:44:16 PM

              No it is not satire. It is called disrespect. Look satire up in the dictionary. There is nothing in a statement which calls a total stranger a "freakin idiot" and a "half-witted moron" which remotely fits the definition of satire. The world Obama envisions cannot come about when the wholesale coin of the realm is disrespect for people, especially strangers, who have different points of view.

              I may or may not be a ???freakin idiot??? and a ???half-witted??? moron. And in the context of coming from a perfect stranger like you, either way it doesn???t mean McCrap to me. I certainly respect your right to express yourself as you may see fit. But if Obama is the savior his supporters make him out to be and real change is to come about in this country it will have to start with a change in the way people with different viewpoints communicate with each other.

              Your comments, while cute, are not, by any definition, constructive. We have nearly as many cute people in this country as we have navels. What we need more of are people who are willing to be constructive. And respectful (regardless of party affiliation) of people with different viewpoints.

  • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 07/28/2008 11:18:41 AM

    MartinCarmel, Let me get this straight, You think the Jews are going to vote republican this year?

    This will mean the Jews are going to join with the Aryan Nation Groups, The SkinHeads , those Church leaders like Falwell and Hagee who have condemned them to hell and those followers of the Turners Diarys whose votes are essential for the G OLD P.

    While i'm on the subject, what endears you to those haters of Jews?

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 07/28/2008 10:29:43 AM

    McCain is losing the war of the photos ops because the platform keeps moving and he's having trouble staying on.
    After the no discussion foreign policy position of the Bush administration was adopted by McCain, Bush goes out and starts talking with both North Korea, and Iran.
    After the effort to stay in Iraq indefinitely failed, McCain now has to admit we are getting out of Iraq soon.
    McCain has stated he will keep in place the economic policies of Bush yet says he has a plan to turn the economy around, not exactly compatible positions especially when your economic advisors are the ones largely responsible for the economic chaos we now see
    McCain???s health care plan has been formed by the very people who killed Clinton???s health care plan so you can't expect any change there, but McCain has to try to convince us it will change.
    Obama has said for a long time the war on terror is in Afghanistan and wants to send troops there.
    McCain now jumps in and says "Me too, me too I???ll even go one up???
    And now we have News anchors actually altering the news to make McCain not seen to contradict himself.

    Katy Coric should move to Faux news, she's lost what little credibility she had, and Faux news has no qualms about altering the news to suit their msg since they are "opinion news"

    On top of a msg that is trying to catch up to Obama???s there are McCain???s gaff???s, he stated people ignore his ???misstatements because we know him?
    Some people will I???m sure but if nothing else it shows he is not what one would call clear minded and that is difficult to ignore.

    Personally I don???t care if he doesn???t know the difference between shih and Shiite or where Pakistan is, the GOP has taken America to a state of mediocracy, uncertainty and fear. McCain will only take us further down that road.

    The fact is McCain is having trouble keeping up

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/27/2008 4:59:05 PM


    FROM RASMUSSEN REPORTS

    Impact of Obamas Oversees Tour:

    63% of voters told us the trip DID NOT make him more fit to be president.

    MILITARY VETERANS also still support the Republican candidate more -- by nearly 20 points -- 56% to 37%.

    But 55% of voters gave good or excellent marks to Obama???s high-profile speech in Berlin .(yep, he is a good speaker


    RASMUSSEN REPORTS
    63% Say Trip Does Not Make Obama More Fit to be President
    Wednesday, July 23, 2008

    While Barack Obama has touted his travel to Afghanistan and Iraq as a FACT-FINDING trip, 63% of Americans DO NOT BELIEVE it makes the Democratic candidate any more qualified to be president.

    A new Rasmussen Reports national survey, taken Monday night, also finds that LESS THAN a third (32%) think Obama will learn from his trip to Iraq. Forty percent (40%) say his mind is already made up about policies to deal with the war there.

    Another Rasmussen Reports survey this week finds that while voters trust Obama more on most issues, McCain has a double-digit lead on his rival when it comes to national security and the war in Iraq. Overall, Obama and McCain remain very close in the popular vote contest as measured by the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/scoreboards/by_the_numbers2/by_the_numbers




    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 07/28/2008 10:24:01 AM

      Fortunately, I think most Americans are more concerned about their jobs, gas prices, food prices, and healthcare than Iraq. I think we just want out of Iraq...personally, I'm sick of hearing about ANOTHER country--I want to know how they plan on fixing THIS one!

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 07/27/2008 5:26:41 PM

      Didn't you already post this?

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 07/28/2008 10:05:47 AM

    How can McCain make an issue of Obama's character without appearing to go negative?

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 07/28/2008 9:57:19 AM

    McCain remains the underdog. Obama's message is powerful because it is aspirational. McCain cannot win simply by going negative. Republicans must understand that any continued focus on Obama's association with demagogues, unrepentant terrorists, and shady characters like Resko is a waste of time. It only serves to alienate the undecided voters who are looking for a positive message.

  • Posted By: grej @ 07/27/2008 3:27:04 PM

    Mr. Obama spent 20 years hanging around rascists and anti-semites(not 20 seconds-20 years!)
    It took him that long to do the right thing?

    1. Mr. Obama is a first-term senator without a single important legislative achievement to his name.
    2. Mr. Obama voted present nearly 130 times,quite a lot for a first term Senator.
    3. Mr. Obama lectures on learning a foreign language, can speak none himself.
    4. Mr. Obama has never produced a single peice of scholarship,or written anything of note.
    5. He earned a law degree from harvard but never practiced law.
    6. He did write a book. The subject? Himself.
    7. Has he ever admitted he changed his mind or was wrong about anything?
    8. on Iraq, Obama has held almost every conceivable position.
    9. His Pro-Life (National Right to Life) rating=
    2005 0%,
    2006 0%,
    2007 0%
    His Pro-Abortion (NARAL) rating=
    2005 100%,
    2006 100%,
    2007 100%

    What does one innocent human life mean to God( not man, but God)?
    10. On Iraq, he has held almost every conceivable opinion

    • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 07/28/2008 9:44:14 AM

      Here's the good news at least we know Obama can read and write. After 8 years of a President who can't it will be a welcome change.

      How many conceivable opinions can you have on Iraq? Iraq is about oil if you don't believe me go read Greenspans book.
      Obama was only one of some 20 or so Senators to oppose the war in Iraq knowing the war on terror was in Afghanistan and was unfinished, he's vowed to finish what Bush has failed to do.
      As for McCain he thinks Iraq and Pakistan share a common border so, either he doesn't know where Pakistan is or Iraq or both.

      But you are clearly a prolife advocate so you have to vote for McCain he has stated he will appoint more ultra conservative judges to the Supreme Court to over turn Roe v Wade.

      Personally I think there are more important issues facing this country than making a woman???s choice for her by taking away that choice and will vote for Obama

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 07/27/2008 3:36:55 PM

      Let's see...
      #1 - #2 have nothing to do with the issues that face America.
      #3 - #7 have nothing to do with being president. (and you're right, NOBODY ever writes a book about themselves...)
      #8 FINALLY...something relevant (of course you offer nothing to back up your points...)
      #9 THANK GOD!!!!!! (pro choice ALL THE WAY!)
      #10 repeat of #8

      I suppose one valid question out of ten isn't too bad. Keep it up, I know you can do better.

      JM

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