China’s Agony of Defeat

What the **** is this? White colonists and imperialist invaded, blackmailed, killed, slaughtered one nation and another, and now they are urging victims to forget humiliation, insulation and to be "civilized".

Are you Orville Schell really stupid or pretending to be stupid here?

You think you know some oriental names, deng xiaopiang, Lu xun, Mao??? and you can brag your broad knowledge and be a China expert.

Tell you, you are a clown.

We shall come back. With revenges and ask you westerners to pay the debt: silver, gold, indignity and LIVES.

You dare try to mesmerize Chinese, Indians, Africans, South Americans; you are only cheating yourselves. Who will give you a ***?

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth
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The USA icon merchant bank that I forgot is MERRILL LYNCH !

Yeah ! Yeah ! Yeah ! You westerners try your everything to win the co-operation of India as a counter weight to the our beloved motherland; but I think India knows better. However, China has no fear of India noe the USA nor the west. I am sorry to say but we see India at the limits of their growth potential. The difference between China and India is that in India you see a mirage but in China we believe in the real thing; we do not need to trumpet to the world that we are the greaatest because we know we are the greatest. Let assure that India just got nowhere to go but down because their social structure built on the caste structure inhibits upward mobility of the talents; not so for China and if you watch the success stories produced by CCTV 9 of the innovations of our entrepreuneurs you will need to fear the future frowth of China. We have lots of headroom for our people to excel and we are only at the tip for now.

We Chinese to quote Lee Peng (former PM) know bitter. It is only a fool who quotes the per capita income as a measure of wealth, because a night's stay in a Chinese 3 star hotel in China costs you US$30 but in Europe a no star hotel will put you back US$80 per night per person. My family went to Europe three years ago and that was the price of rooms in Europe. Thereofre talking of per capita is talking of oranges and elephants.

Another thing that I want to catch you on, DON'T MAKE IT SOUND LIKE CHINA DEPENDS ON THE USA FOR HER EXPORTS; and right now China's trade with the Asean nations stands at US$100 billions and the growth of that market is picking at a fast clip of 44% year on year. The growth of Asean will close off USA participation in this part of the world. India is merely an observer at this Asean plus 3 (Japan, China & South korea). India is not even in Asean and so is not the USA. To tell you as it is the USA trade amounts to only 5% of China GNP.

JUST DON'T EXAGGERATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE USA TO CHINA; more like you need to look at what China is to the USA. Another trivia that you may want to know, today's news from Singapore is that Singapore company holds 20% of one of your American icon merchant bankers (is it Morgan Stanly or one of similar stature. I will get back to you when I remember.

China???s Agony of Defeat is more like the Western???s Agony of Defeat. The author was comparing American ideology to Chinese ideology. And with 50 years of negative campaign on China, it???s easy to make up anything that fits your profile of China. It???s not the Chinese propaganda we see, but the western propaganda. China did not go invading countries for oil, nor did China actively butting in to other country???s business. Humiliation? Yes we feel humiliated, not for being Chinese, but for suckered in to American for 2 decades, while our counter parts in China is living a better life than we are.

Here is a YouTube video that you should all see, doesn't matter which side you support, and yes I have read the book he mentioned in the video while in College. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQhDll880Y4

The analysis is, just as any analysis of China by a non-Chiness, shallow. It's however right in stating that the Chinese have been humiliated by the West and the Japanese. The thieving west, particularly British buccaneers, took advantage of a peaceable, civilised nation. With their guns and robbers' attitude they find excuses to rob the Chinese. In one pretext, by creating a provocation the French and the Chinese depleting a whole palace of ancient Chinese treasures which are now "gloriously 'displayed in their museums. It is fair to say though that the only western friend they had, the before the second world war were the Americans because of the latter's abhorrence of colonialism. That their attitude changed after the second world war believing they saved the world and are therefore entitled to be colonialists themselves, is the beginning of a another sad episode in world hegemony. The Americans are still in hegemony, Iraq being a great example, especially after the end of the cold war. They have just managed to start another cold war through Bush.

The Chinese are a patient civilisation having gone through thousands of years of war and peace. However, a they were not expecting and unaware of the robber states of the west and their avaraciousness. And like the civilised Athenian Greeks before them they were not armed and unprepared for modern barbarious robber states. However, no country in history has conquered them after all. Their social and cultural resilience, their wisdom and intelligence and their abilities to emerge strongly from disaster and set- backs has allowed the Chinese nation to thrive for thousand of years. When the anglo-saxons and celts were going around in bearskins, they had already a civil service made up of the best of their intelligentsia, chosen through a meritocratic examination system, a thousand years old. To most Chinese, including the Chinese diasporo around the world,doing well everywhere, what is fifty or hundred years of setbacks campared to the 5000 years of their history.?After all, they did not create the problems which made them 'the sick man of Asia, an insulting term used by the Japanese and the West to add to the injury of robbing them. Wise Chinese would tell you to learn lessons from defeat but never to forget what your enemies have done to injured you. All is fair in love and war but do not mistake insult and injury, especially committed on you with the barrel of a gun.

It is up to the West and others whether they want to wise up or continue to injure a people with not only the means to retaliate but with a large intelligent and patriotic populace. With only a few million, Jews can harness the resources to master the peoples of the US and Europe, initially their oppressors now their unwitting servants; what do you think a billion or more Chinese can do?

This "humiliation" complex is a pretext thrust upon the West for China's own failures going back to its becoming occupied first in the Yuan Dynasty by the Mongols followed by the Qing Dynasty, the Mongolians. The West never occupied China such as these two dynasties had. Its failings continued under the Chinese Ming Dynasty. The Ming Qianlong Emperor himself humiliated the British Macartney Embassy in the late 18th century by submitting that they kow tow to the empty emperors throne, he himself refusing to meet the delegation personally. He further refused all requests for trade stating that Europe had nothing China needs. Had he a little less ignorant about under-estimating the West and over-estimating the Middle Kingdom he would have known that in fact there was much at that time that China could learn from the West. China's problems, these "humiliations" if you will, were all homegrown. Inept, poorly managed, self-serving. That's what led China to become so backward following its glory days of the Tang Dynasty. The West need make no apologies for that, thank you. It's the Communist Government that indoctrinates this idea of humiliation in the Chinese people for the sole purpose of deflection attention to its own shortcomings. Because the people live, breath and eat government propaganda from the time they are born its no surprise that the Chinese people behave in in such a xenophobic and nationalistic, and might I add, dangerous manner.

Posted by Stephen, San Jose, CA
Taiwan is not part of China.
You don't find Taiwan travelling in China, sorry.

Taiwan will participate the Olympic, independent of and competing China's team

The west would like to see a China frozen in time. Of course, to their advantage so that the west can continue to dominate the world which is in their genes and dna. A strong China is posing a threat to their dominance and survival, the west will do everything and anything just to retard China growth. Remember, in 1994 they did on Japan which is on the way to replace America as the no.1 economic power. Now, the west is focusing on China and through George Soros they managed to retard the growth of Asean region which have a very strong and friendly relationship with China. This brought forth 1997 Asian financial crisis and brought untold miseries to the people of South East Asia. The west did not realise that China manage to sustain and grow to todays gigantic size and is recognised as the 4th largest economy in the world. An achievement that have rendered China unpopular and threathening the western superiority complex. By the grace of GOD, China will pull through this Olympic game as they have done in 1997 Asian financial crisis. I wish the Chinese the very best from the bottom of my heart that they will have the best olympic ever.