"legacy of victimization"? The author seems to think that Chinese like to indulge themselves in thinking that they had been the victims of foreign invasions. Read up on history, Mr Orville Schell. It was not just invasion and occupation. It was robbery, rape and genocide. Japanese army killed 300,000 Chinese in one city - known as Nanjing Massacre. Yes, one city! And that wasn't even that long ago. My parent's generation lived through that. Is 9/11 something Americans would forget in 70 years?
As to Chinese designating three remote sites in Beijing in which to corral a few neutered "demonstrations.", just last week in a southern city in China, terrorists blew up two buses in the morning rush hour. Mr. Schell seems to think demonstrators run freely in the city would be a sign of democracy? Unfortunately his own government, probably listening on Mr. Schell???s phone conversation at the moment, would beg to differ.
And talk about problems like "human-rights violations, media censorship, corruption, pollution, labor abuses and lack of due process"? Give me one country that doesn't have all of these problems. Think about the propaganda, biased reports and downright lies in western media to launch the war in Iraq. Doesn't seem to me China is the one that's playing an irresponsible global role...
China’s Agony of Defeat
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Posted By: mikes75 @ 07/28/2008 11:30:49 PM
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Posted By: wanshousi @ 07/28/2008 11:07:15 PM
I browsed all comments here, looks like a great majority of them come from americans.
Chinese people are quite cool or ...bored by this kind of superior/inferior/politicizing olympics/free tibet/taiwan/human rights/democracy/religion freedom, this kind of lengthy/stupid discussion starting in Spring this year.
americans, you can indulge yourselves in your perfect/democratic/free/humane/virtuous system,
only want to remind fixing your gas price issue before your america turns inhabitable.
As far as all your hate speeches regarding China: you take my words today, let's see how the history unfolds, and we compare the goods and bads between China and US 20 years later, as a Chinese, I really don't see it even slightest necessary to bullshitting with you americans now.
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Posted By: wanshousi @ 07/28/2008 11:05:16 PM
I browsed all comments here, looks like a great majority of them come from americans.
Chinese people are quite cool or ...bored by this kind of superior/inferior/politicizing olympics/free tibet/taiwan/human rights/democracy/ lengthy/stupid discussion starting in Spring this year.
americans, you can indulge yourselves in your perfect/democratic/free/humane/virtuous system,
only want to remind fixing your gas price issue before your america turns inhabitable.
As far as all your hate speech regarding to China: you take my words today, let's see how the history unfolds, and we compare the goods and bads between China and US 20 years later, as a Chinese, I really don't see it even slightest necessary to bullshitting with you americans now.
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Posted By: syzdekbr @ 07/28/2008 9:41:19 PM
Don't forget what other inferiority makes the Chinese so riled: their small... houses.
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Posted By: FirstZebra @ 07/28/2008 7:30:09 PM
Personally, I care less about the failture of the flat faces in the "Olympic" arena.
They are still CHICOMS and don't forget it.
Any 'disruption' to the "games" will be welcomed diversion from the overpampered "atheletes" play acting!
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Posted By: DWPitts @ 07/28/2008 7:03:29 PM
Just by the fact that the Olympics are taking a back seat to the need for the Chinese, and their critics, to prove anything to the rest of the world, bodes ill for the olympic spirit. Why does no one see this? Every time someone "uses" the Olympics in this manner, they make a monumental blunder. National interests should take a backseat to hosting the Olympics, and not vice versa. Ever heard of benevolence?
Let the athletes be the center of attention, and good luck to all who compete. Its their dreams that matter during the show, not whose country is "better" than others. So sad really. Hosting the Olympics will prove absolutely nothing on the grander scale of things to come. Germany tried this in 1936, and a track and field man named Jesse Owens brought down their ill-conceived drama through a small (but scintilating) series of individual perrformances. BENEVOLENCE! Is it best to admire the athletes skills (no matter where they come from or what their racial heritage is) or find some deeper political meaning in a two week set of performances?
One measure of "greatness" is not using your power and position to interfere with the outcome of sporting events. Let the athletes live their dreams on a fair and level playing field. I hope cooler heads prevail in Beijing and they keep the focus where it properly belongs during the games, on the athletes, and not turn the festivities into a celebration of their newly found economic clout. I for one will simply turn it off if it becomes a "pay homage to China" show. Telemundo is much more entertaining, lol.
In conclusion, it doesn't matter at all what the Olympics mean to the Chinese Mr. Schell, as Hosts they have a responsibility to put their national interest aside and provide a fair venue for the world. Putting the horse before the cart is always a mistake. In reality, they have nothing to prove during the Olmpics. To succeed, they only need to host a fair set of games, stand aside, and let the world's athletes do the talking. Thats the primary goal of the Olmpics. Anything else will make the games 2nd rate.
Sorry to sound harsh, but I'm tired of all sides who would exploit the Olympics for their own purposes. Once more, the Olmpics are not about China, they are about the world's atheletes, and anything different is an inferior product.
(PS before the flames begin, I am an American who also was one of the first non-diplomatic people after Tiananmen to enter the country. I worked in Beijing for 8 years and left many friends there when my time was up. I hold no ill will toward anyone, and hope the same holds in reverse)
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Posted By: nogregwoire @ 07/28/2008 6:43:02 PM
What?! No Obama cover! Newsweek is letting all we supporters of change down> Get your act together guys. You might make Barry (or worse Mrs. Barry mad)!
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Posted By: sjbrock80 @ 07/28/2008 5:02:48 PM
As much as I admire the author's thoughts and opinions on China, the Olympic games is only a political stage to those who would like it to be.
The Olympic games are about sports, competition, and the world's joy at coming together to watch great athletes do their thing. Politics has nothing to do with any of this.
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Posted By: albus4me @ 07/28/2008 4:53:40 PM
As a 1st-generation American born, ethnically Chinese individual, I've been exposed to both a Westernized "mentality" as well as the "Eastern" modus operandi. As such, I've observed that China (and as a consequence, Chinese people), more so than other Asian countries, tends to look back in history with quite a bit more weight than other countries and ethnicities. Rather than looking forward to the future, I've noticed they tend to lament the wrongs of the past (but rarely the rights).
I've long since given up the internal debate on whether this is right or wrong in itself, as I was born and raised an American. My method of though and my sense of self are firmly entrenched with the Heartland rather than the Motherland. However, I think its important for other "foreigners" to be aware of this juxtaposition when analyzing China and it's peoples' actions.
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Posted By: drando @ 07/28/2008 3:38:58 PM
This is great insight into the Chinese psyche. Many of the worlds eary technologies were eithe begun or ehnaced there. But China is not perfect. I prefer America with all its warts and imperfections
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Posted By: woohoo @ 07/28/2008 3:10:58 PM
The racism behind America's fear of a non-white country having a strong hand in the world in a few years is becoming more and more transparent. 'History of humiliation'...wtf? How about history of being massacred, doped up by the Britain (what kind of country starts a war with a country b/c they don't want to take drugs? sick), sectioned off by Europe and the US, negatively caricatured since the 1500s. But yet China has outplayed us at our own games (no pun intended) and we have the nerve to write such flagrant artciles in a national news magazine. And we have the nerve to be the country that touts freedom. it is our policies that have made them rich and they should work to rebound themselves. Who wouldn't want to rebound their country? why are we the only country that can have patriotism and ambition. come on? "inferiority complex" Inferior to whom or what? just admit it... this is the first time in over 500 years when "someone else" (non-white) has the chance to call the shots or at least have some money for the love of God and we can't take the heat. "dealing with pariah states like Burma, Sudan, Zimbabwe and Iran in order to feed the country's voracious appetite for oil, timber and metals, Chinese leaders have been accused of playing an irresponsible global role". It is a growing country with 6 BILLION people. of course, its gonna need more stuff. 1 in 6 human beings lives in China. We buy oil from the people who unapologetically cause 'terrorism". what's our excuse? All Asians worldwide, including the Japanese, should take a good hard look at this whole situation and stick together. I am an American patriot and I'm nervous about the US's position in the world but this is unacceptable.
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Posted By: dodoaunt @ 07/27/2008 12:31:24 PM
It is very interesting that for some posters here the numeration of the gushed-out accusations of China is so complete that not an iota of any imaginable ???sins??? is left behind which makes one feel that to project China as a loser must be tremendously comforting to them.
One cannot help but wondering is there an inferiority complex harbored by those people because they believe that their history is so embarrassingly stark compared to what the Chinese have, that they have to buttress their poor confidence by denouncing China in each and every conceivable way, in a hope to perpetuate their relatively new advantages over the East in the ???modern history???, which they feel they will lose to the East again in a foreseeable future???
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Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/27/2008 1:48:26 PM
The true tragedy here is that , as you imply, China does indeed have an extremely rich history and culture going back centuries. However, that ancient Chinese culture and history has been squandered and in many ways completely denigrated and insulted by the "modern" Chinese culture that is solely focused on military and economic might at the cost of that very culture and history. When convenient, the Chinese trot out their heritage but where the rubber meets the road, such as human rights, environmental responsibility and product and food safety, the Great stone wall goes up and claims of racism are lobbed like grenades. For a nation to claim greatness, it must first accept responsibililty for its failures, something that the Chinese still refuse to do. In order for China to be acknowledged and accepted as a legitimate world power worthy of respect it must first acknowledge it is the world's single largest source of air pollution, that it is one of the last two industrialized nation that regularly brutalizes its own population, that its official government policies regularly denies the most basic of human rights such as freedom of speech and freedom of religious expression to its own citizens, and that it supports other brutally repressive regimes such as Sudan and Zimbabwe. And only when it allows its own citizens to freely criticize these very same government policies will the mantle of "world power" be available to China. Until, they will continue to be a tin pot dictatorship not worthy of the world's respect.
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Posted By: TheMiddlePath @ 07/27/2008 6:24:29 PM
FACT#2 : Based on a recent survey, over 80% of Chinese are happy with the CPC running the country.
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Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/27/2008 9:45:53 PM
Middle Path--interesting survey--so the Chinese people were free to say they don't like the CCP? What fantasy world are you living in? How many Chinese are currently in concentration camps , excuse me, "re-education camps" for disagreeing iwth the CCP? Ever hear of Yang Chunlin? How about Li Jianping? Hu Jia? Stop being brainwashed and think for yourself.
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Posted By: China_Daisy @ 07/28/2008 3:00:04 PM
I am a Chinese living in the US and I can tell you most Chinese don't like CCP, we just live with it just like you don't like Bush, but you have to live with him. You have a hope that he will go away, but he currently is in power and you can do nothing about it no matter you have a right to complaint or not.
But I think CCP currently is doing a better job than Bush in some ways as to satisfy people's wills despite the fact that China is so called dictorship, but the US is a democracy.
But I do ask you to check your sources about "Re-education Camps". You could have fallen into the slander or defaming propadanda of some anti-CCP groups like Fa Lungong. What if they make up stories to achieve their purposes? You are the person who becomes ridiculous if you happen to trust those made up stories.
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Posted By: TheMiddlePath @ 07/27/2008 10:52:35 PM
Concentration camps. Another lie fed by Fa Long Gone.
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Posted By: TheMiddlePath @ 07/27/2008 10:43:46 PM
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Posted By: TheMiddlePath @ 07/27/2008 10:04:25 PM
So what has unlimited freedom without responsibility got India into ? What more can I say. You need a reducation camp to reeducate you from years of Westen media brainwashing.
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Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/27/2008 10:09:56 PM
spoken like a true Han Chinese! what more needs to be said--you have proven my point---your answer is to lock me up for having an opinion different from yours--thank you for defeating yourself.
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Posted By: jc2000 @ 07/27/2008 2:18:17 PM
You have no clue about the cost of keeping the heritage. If you want to keep the heritage at your own cost, then it's fine. However you are demanding other people to keep something that they can not afford to keep at their own cost, not yours. Why they hell you think that people should sacrifice their own every day life needs for your psychological pleasure?
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Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/27/2008 2:37:23 PM
To jc2000--My friend -- it is so sad that you believe that your only choice is to reject your heritage in order to attain economic security. The real challenge is to be true to your heritage and preserve all that it stands while embracing progress. I am very curoius as to what "cost" you are talking about? What does it "cost" to honor human basic rights? What does it "cost" to provide safe food and products? What does it "cost" to denounce repressive regimes such as Sudan and Zimbabwe? If you are only talking about money, then my friend you truly are not ready to be a nation worthy of world respect. Money is meaningless if you remain a prisoner in your own land subject to the whims and dictates of the CCP. If money is your measure of success then you will simply end up standing on a mountain of yuan but still looked down upon by the civilized world. Good luck my friend. My condolences.
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Posted By: hkmcs @ 07/27/2008 8:37:27 PM
"freeallchinese" - from your username I wonder if you have a real understanding about Chinese culture and custom at all. So you're telling me the US does not put economy in the first place? That there're fully sound regulations to control pollution? So who did not sign the Kyoto treaty? I'm not saying China is perfect, but the US has over 200 years to plan and develop a brand new country, while China has over 5000 years of historical burden to overcome and less than 30 years of experience in the modern stage. Are you saying you had FDA in 1776, or was it started after "The Jungle" from Upton Sinclair was published? Are you saying the US never blacklisted anyone they deemed to be anti-government, and thus forced people like Charlie Chaplin out of the country? Yes, you would tell me that is so last century, but China is only at the beginning of its metamorphosis, and they're quickly learning and digesting messages from all around the world. Be judgemental, and you'll be judged.
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Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/27/2008 9:34:29 PM
hkmcs--why do you assume I am US? China born, China educated, China exiled - so I know what it is inside. US has many faults of course but it is still world leader not just militarily and economically but human rights, safety, environment protection despite its lousy current policies and administration-so easy that China forgets Nixon, Geo. H.W. Bush, Clinton and all the help they gave China. Now Chinese only focus on current moron in oval office. Point is if China wants to be respected and accepted as a world power it must admit its faults and be a RESPONSIBLE citizen on the world stage, not a selish glutton only interested in money and power. Give Chinese poeple true freedoms and let Chinese people govern themselves, not dictatorship of evil CCP
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Posted By: hkmcs @ 07/27/2008 11:22:19 PM
Ha, I know about your type then, freeallchinese. Were you involved in some political dissent in China, and you've seeked political asylum somewhere? Now you're leading a relatively more comfortable life, got fattened up but feel bad about leaving your comrades behind, yet too afraid to go back to China? And you resort to making your arguments in blogs in the comfort of your home, because you've been treated "well" outside of China? I'm not saying China has no flaws, but blaming it for everything that hasn't been done yet to become a fully modernized country is not helpful, nor would it make your conscience feel better. You're probably learning about all the news on the tainted products, Tibetans, and protests en route of the Olympic torch, FROM THE WESTERN WORLD, who's afraid China would become too strong. I'm a Chinese living in the West who has no grudge to hide, and I'm just asking you to consider a Western world like the US didn't develop everything right from the beginning. They didn't have FDA in 1906 when "The Jungle" was published, they caused the exile and probably a lot of deaths of Native Americans when they claimed this land, and would you honestly tell me if there're protesters like the Tibetans who were causing destructions in the town and hurting people in the US, the US government wouldn't use rougher measures to qualm the riots? Yes, I agree the West has built stable and properous societies for their people, that's because they've spent time on it. And China deserves to be given the time as well.
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Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/27/2008 11:44:09 PM
hkmcs--you know nothing about me --you have no idea why I was exiled from China--maybe you are a chinese gov't agent living in the west, maybe you are not even chinese but pretending you are-maybe you are really part korean or viet--not even pure Han-I don't know you and you don't know me so please do not insult me or yourself by pretending you do--- the point you make that China needs time is valid but do not make the mistake that China gets a free pass because it is the new kid on the block--it is not--it knows exactly what it is doing and evil done with knowledge is unforgivable--as for the source of my information, you have no idea what you are taliking about. the protests in Aba and Amdo and clearly are caused by the cultural genocide being perpetrated by the chinese against the tibetans. tibetan youth wil no longer stand by and have begun to push back. ans. tibetan youth wil no longer stand by and have begun to push back. gratefully the dalai lama called for a restoration of peace and for only nonviolent protest and order was restored. I have travelled extensivley in tibet and amdo for over 20 years and know first hand how dire the situation is. while the people in the cities on the plateau and in Yunnan are maginally better off economically, the same repression and denunciation is imposed on a daily basis by the chinese military. if you are caught with a photo of the dalai lama you "disappear" into the prison outside gyalthang. I was recently arrested for simply photographing the protests in Aba and Amdo and held for 24 hours. I witnessed a public execution of supposed "criminals" who were deemed political subversives. If you live in the countryside you are forced to attend denunciation camps where you are forced to renounce your buddhist beliefs and your allegiance to the dalai lama. Don't speak of things you have no personal knowledge of. go to Amdo or Yunnan, go to Gyalthang and ask to see the prison outside town and see what answer you get, go to the stadium outside Gyalthang to see the executions. See for yourself and unitl you do, remain silent in your ignorance.
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Posted By: hkmcs @ 07/28/2008 2:06:59 AM
"freeallchinese", you're worse than China. You envelop yourself in your self-pity and victimization, because only your pain is real pain, which no one else can understand. You need to take down anyone who you deem not to understand or agree with you. Nothing good or reasonable can come out of anyone who you think is your :enemy". Look at all your postings, anyone who even has a slight sympathy towards China, you have to put up a much longer posting to silence them. Too bad you don't run a re-education camp, or we could see the demise of China! Sir, you're no voice of just, you're just a bully.
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Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/28/2008 9:15:12 AM
hkmcs--clealry you do not understand the idea of discourse and debate--yes I disagree with any one who denies the atrocities the chinese inflict on the tibetans, and yes I respond with long and detailed posts explaining exactly why the poster is incorrect and misinformed--that is the nature of dixcourse--you express an idea and if someone disagrees, they are free to respond-I guess that idea is unknown to you since no dissent and no debate is allowed under CCP rule so you never had a chance to learn about it--and BTW, as for bullying you are the one who resorted to personal attacks against me calling me "fattened up" and "afraid to back to china"--if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen--if can't stand having your ignorance pointed out, don't put your ignorance on display--better to keep silent and be thought a fo;; than open you mouth and be proven a fool
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Posted By: hkmcs @ 07/28/2008 1:15:32 PM
"freeallchinese", ha, I really hit a spot there, didn't I? Or else you won't be so riled up. (How many times have you been called a bully?)
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Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/28/2008 2:12:47 PM
hkcms--I am not riled up--I am only pointing out that it is only the uncivilized such as yourself that resort to name calling when their reasoning and arguments are all failures--stop and think before you open your mouth and prove yourself to be such a fool
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Posted By: TheMiddlePath @ 07/27/2008 10:35:03 PM
Reposted from SCC
Don't even talk about Taiwan. What about United States. How is it that
a very develop country with highly educated people ended up directly
electing the worst President in history. A President that has now
bankcrupt the country, made enemy with 1 billion muslims, now picking
a fight with Russia, screw up the Iraq war, $4 gas price, ignore the
enviroment, gives tax break to oil company to make 11 billion. United
States now has the most unpopular President, the most unpopular
congress in history. Today the President blame congress, the congresss
blame the President.
Can some democracy advocate explain this mess ?
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Posted By: TheMiddlePath @ 07/27/2008 6:23:01 PM
Fact #1: China is only responsible for on 1% of all the polution in the air for the past 100 years. The developed country were responsible for the other 99%.
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Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/27/2008 9:39:20 PM
MIddel Path--using your 100 year standard, China is responsible for over 90% of all human deaths during that same period as a result of their wars, internal famines, political purges, re-education camps, ethnic cleansing whereas in the last 10 years China is responsible for 90% of all air pollution-- so do we want to look at past 100 years or past 10? either way, China's record is atrocious
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Posted By: TheMiddlePath @ 07/27/2008 9:54:03 PM
How about the barbarians exploitation of Africa, Using humen being as slaves.
Today after thousands of years China still have 56 national miniorities. Now, what happened to Native Americans after 100years. ? CULTURAL GENOCIDE !!!!!!
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Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/27/2008 10:15:52 PM
Hmmm..China never had slaves? Interesting--please speak with your educators--obviously you didn't attend class that day when they told you all about China's slvae trade. And yes the US treated their indigenous population terribly--I am glad you can see that what China does to its own ethnic minorities such as the Tibetans and Uighars is indeed very much the same cultural genocide that the US did over 100 years ago. the difference is that now that China knows what evil it was for US to do that, China should know better, yet it ignores its own history and the history of other failed societies and perpetuates the same atrocities--evil through ignorance is forgivable, evil in spite of knowledge is unworthy of a civilized person or country
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Posted By: TheMiddlePath @ 07/27/2008 10:27:53 PM
Patrict French the founder of the free Tibet movement. He himself found no evidence of any genocide as claimed by the Tibetans in exile. In fact Tibetan population has increased. Their culture prospering.
You have indeed been fed lies by the Lying Lama.
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Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/27/2008 10:58:22 PM
Middel Path--you have no idea what you are talking about. first what make you assume I am US? I AM NOT. as recently as June 14, 2008 Patrick French was speaking about the protests in Aba and Amdo and clearly stated that the cause of the violence was the cultural genocide being perpetrated by the chinese against the tibetans. tibetan youth wilL no longer stand by and have begun to push back. gratefully the dalai lama called for a restoration of peace and for only nonviolent protest and order was restored. I have travelled extensivley in tibet and amdo for over 20 years and know first hand how dire the situation is. while the people in the cities on the plateau and in Yunnan are maginally better off economically, the same repression and denunciation is imposed on a daily basis by the chinese military. if you are caught with a photo of the dalai lama you "disappear" into the prison outside gyalthang. I was recently arrested for simply photographing the protests in Aba and Amdo and held for 24 hours. I witnewssed a public execution of supposed "criminals" who were deemed subversives against the gov't. If you live in the countryside you are forced to attend denunciation camps where you are forced to renounce your buddhist beliefs and your allegiance to the dalai lama. Don't speak of things you have no personal knowledge of. go to Amdo or Yunnan, go to Gyaltnag and ask to see the prison outside town, go to the stadium outside Gyalthang to see the executions. See for yourself. and unitl you do, remain silent in your ignorance.
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Posted By: TheMiddlePath @ 07/27/2008 11:17:28 PM
So you agree there is no genocide as in killing of 2 million Tibetans as claimed by the Tibetans in exiles.
As for cultural genocide, exactly what Tibet culture are you refering to ? The caste system ? The slave system, the serf system, the lost of land by the monks ?
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Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/27/2008 11:51:57 PM
can you read the englsih language? of course there is cultural genocide in tibet--read what I wrote-go to tibet, go to amdo, go to yunnan, see for yourself, talk to tibetans, if they will talk to you, ask them if they can possess a picture of the dalia lama, ask them if they can sit in town square with a tibetan national flag, ask them if they can go to gov't ministry and sit outside with a sign that says Free Tibet--of course not becasue there is no freedom in tibet for the tibetans--the protests in Amdo and Aba were peaceful--the only protest violence was in Lhasa--but in Amdo I saw the chinese military shot and kill 4 monks
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Posted By: TheMiddlePath @ 07/28/2008 12:40:30 AM
You did not anwser exactly what Tibetan culture is being genocided. Holding a picture of a guy that like to harm China is not part of Tibetan culture.
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Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/28/2008 1:11:42 AM
you are clearly uninformed and cannot read what is written--I just told you I saw 4 monks shot by the chinese military and you ask what is "being genocided'--do you even now what the word genocide means-- please do not bother to post again as it is useless to respond to you--you have no idea what you are talking about--you have no knowledgeof the subject, you have only your prejudices and your nationalist beliefs all of which prevent intelligent discussion with you--perhaps you are merely a chinese gov't agent or another brainwashed uneducated peasant from the local village collective farm--please do not waste any more of our time with your ignorance--
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Posted By: TheMiddlePath @ 07/28/2008 9:40:56 AM
Tibetan protest were anything but peaceful. In Lhasa, outside Lhasa they burned smashed and beat up Hui, Hans and even Tibetans that came to help. All over the world Chinese embassy were violently attacked. They were ilke animals. They then attacked the scraed symbol of the Olmypic and even a handicapped girl in a wheel chair. Heck even in Lhasa they sounded like animals. And they were cheered on by the Western media and their Barbarian masters. All these are supported by soild evidences like tourist reports, foreign videos clips. However it was China and the Chinese, in face of such barbaric violence, responsed calmly in a civilised way with peaceful counter protest that easily far outnumbered these violent protesters. And totaly ignored by the weatern media.
However China showed the world how to handle these barbarians. Starting with the Leader of the European barbarian Sarkozy. Hit them where it hurt most and he rush to China and apologised. But China need to learn that an apology from a barbarian is worth nothing. Sarkozy is now humiliated in front of the world. Chinese proverb. Whack the monkey to scare the dog. Soon the Barbarians all line up to go to Beijing.
It is time the barbarians realised that their days of bombing small countries, bullying, sending aircraft carrieres to intimidate small countries, of sanctions and boycotts are numbered.
They need to joined the civilised world and work together with mutual respect to create a peaceful world.-
Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/28/2008 2:09:04 PM
Middle Path--thank you very much for finally showing your true colors--I knew it would only be a matter of time before your real hegemonic true feelings would emerge--you truly do embody the Chinese way of thinking--thank you for showing the world what we can expect from a supposedly "civilized" china--you have proven my point all to well--nothing else need be said--you have buried yourself so we don't have to be bothered by you again--better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and prove you are a fool--thank you for proving what we already knew about you--
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Posted By: TheMiddlePath @ 07/28/2008 12:35:45 AM
Were the monk violent. Were they destroying private property. Were they beating up Hans, Hui and even their own people. Did they burn property causing several young girls to be burned alive ? Did they kill unarm police.
1992 LA riots. National guards armed to the teeth were ordered to shoot and kill to restore order.-
Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/28/2008 1:05:25 AM
Middle path--again you have no idea what you are talking about-the examples you cite occurred in Lhasa, not Amdo and Aba-and no monks were involved in any violence in any city--in Lhasa there was violence but not by monks and it was directed against Huis, not Han. and BTW, the last killing of a civilian in the US by the US military occurred in 1970 at Kent State. The last photographed killing of a Tibetan by the chinese military was april 2008 in Aba--and no violence occurred in Aba, the chinese military opened fire on unarmed monks holding a sit down protest in the square outside their monastery--I am not interested in debating you any longer as it is clear that you are not educated and are totally uninformed about current events in your own country. Arguing with the ignorant is like trying to teach swine to fly. get better informed before you post again--you are jsut wasting everyones time
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Posted By: thetruthdoeshurt @ 07/28/2008 2:32:11 PM
China did not go warmongering like Japan and Germany. China was stepped over by everyone because of her riches.
This article is nothing new. It is shame because Schell has spent many years in Asia but he can never fully comprehend what is it like to be a chinese because he will always remains to be a student and not part of it. He will always be this I-know-this-chinese-culture and they should behave like what western would.
By using the phrase "inferiority complex' it is clear that the author has little understanding of chinese culture. Humility is a huge part of chinese DNA and how to accept failure and find strength within. It is a very different from western way's moving quickly away from defeat.
There are stories about ancient Chinese Kings/warlords accepting defeats and became slaves and only to come back and defeat their enslavers or victor. In western world, in the same situation, the same noble men would rather die in honor. Is this root of inferiority complex or humiliation? I don't think so.
This intellectual putting down is nothing new to China. No matter how well China do in the Olympics, the western world will pick on human rights, Tibet, Taiwan and HK but simply ignore how far they have come. To the them Chinese will always be the uncultured guest to a western economy and superior culture.
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Posted By: bobma @ 07/28/2008 2:17:07 PM
seems like the only ones obsessed with the "politics" of these olympic games are us americans. Why is that? I don't think even the Olympics in Hitler's Germany brought this many emotions out of us.
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Posted By: Einhand @ 07/28/2008 2:01:49 PM
To say that all the current "Chinese" attitudes toward the world around them is the result of hundred-years of humiliations to China from the Chinese government propaganda is an oversimplification of the entire issue. It is true that majority of Chinese are "conscious" about their country's history; and the government did play a major role in shaping their views, but history proves itself to be true in the end; there are certain undeniable facts in it. What if someone had said that the world favoritism toward Isreal is the direct result of the Israeli-government propaganda of victimization of the Jewish people from the Holocaust? History tells the truth if one study it well. Perhaps the Chinese know their history too well. People can only know where they will be going if they know where they have come from.
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Posted By: mfohl @ 07/28/2008 1:54:33 PM
I tend to forget how deeply implicated I am in how China came to experience and view the modern world? I don't think so. This strikes me as a national paranoia. And Leninist Communist dictatorship at its utmost.
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Posted By: mfohl @ 07/28/2008 1:51:09 PM
I tend to forget how deeply implicated I am in how China came to view the modern world? I don't think so. I would call that a national paranoia that no one is willing and able to get rid of. How humiliated were Germany and Japan after World War 2? They seem to have gotten over it. The government is still a Communist dictatorship at its Leninist worst, despite its recent success
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Posted By: Songey @ 07/28/2008 11:00:38 AM
"Equally surprising was the fact that many of the most indignant counterdemonstrators???those flooding the BBC and CNN with angry Internet threats, or shouting down protesters along the torch route???were young Chinese, born during the booming post-Mao era.....But, perhaps because they, too, have been subject to the party's propaganda, many have turned out every bit as nationalistic as older Chinese."
Mr Orville Schell...are you being cynical or just plain ignorant? Why is that those angry Chinese comments directed clearly at the bad and (deliberately?) inaccurate reporting must be a result of the "party's propaganda"? Your conclusions epitomises both the condescending views of Western media on Chinese opinion and the hubris with which you regard yourselves as almost infallible!
Once you depart from the notion that the free Western media is unbiased against China, you will not longer need to use 'party propaganda' as a scapegoat.
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Posted By: Sabado @ 07/28/2008 10:45:13 AM
The problem with Mainland CHina government is it shows the good propaganda only,,,,, which is really a lie....... The truth is Mainland CHina is the worst bully among the superpowers......... Most arrogant that when it topples America, Russia, Japan, etc........ The world will have to bow on its knees........ Citizens of the world will have no voice........... There will be no diplomacy...... as a warning to the Middle East and African countries.......... and other countries....... Tibet is still struggling be cause of news coverage, but without it it will be crushed at an instant...... So what is another country worth ,,,,,,, NONE........ Remember , our children and grandchildren will nave no voice when Mainland CHina rules
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