China’s Agony of Defeat

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  • Posted By: Sabado @ 07/28/2008 10:38:45 AM

    For the Mainland Chinese Government, being humble, peace-loving and freedom loving to all peoples of the world is a myth....... It is most arrogant bully as a superpower, with its trillions of dollars it will not stop to step on any country, any citizen (domestic or foreign), it will be a land and space invading country with superlatives...... Wait till it can freely topple RUSSIA, America, Japan........ and the Middle East..... There will be no negotiations........ There will be no other choice but theirs......... Sorry to our children and grandchildren......... For they will nave NO VOICE when CHina rules the world.

  • Posted By: EmilyRCI @ 07/28/2008 10:26:14 AM

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  • Posted By: syzdekbr @ 07/28/2008 9:12:35 AM

    Chongyeeyap,
    You are the person this article is written about. Just relax and enjoy the Olympics. Watch some ping-pong.

  • Posted By: guxiangdeyun @ 07/28/2008 9:01:28 AM

    People's Republic of China! good!GREAT!

  • Posted By: guxiangdeyun @ 07/28/2008 8:59:49 AM

    of *** , china is good

  • Posted By: guxiangdeyun @ 07/28/2008 8:59:45 AM

    of *** , china is good

  • Posted By: chongyeeyap @ 07/28/2008 6:05:05 AM

    This Orville Schell fellow is your typical USA, English or any European jurnoe who belong to their own brotherhood of western co-conspirators, out to disparage the immense development and achievements of China in this 21st Century. I say to Orville Schell that, you and your type of ???to death we will destroy the People???s Republic of China??? singular efforts will be futile; our motherland has progressed far beyond what the EU or the USA are, and we are all conscious that you in the west know that the People???s Republic of China will over take you & the USA by the year 2050 and that is your opinion but our great Mr Lee Kuan Yew thinks we will accomplish this progress much sooner than 2050. If China is poised to overtake the combined wealth of the USA & EU in my life time, then what in hell do we need to be smarting from your misconceived and more to spin allegation that we Chinese people have an inferiority complex ? No Mr Scheel, this is your journalistic spin to put in the mind of your readers the suggestion that we are already suffering from a deficit of self esteem. NOT TRUE !

    Why bother to go into history to scrape the bottom to find just anything to say that is against China and just anything to say that China is backward ? Why Look at China from that unfortunate less than 100 years when China had laid dormant and been disrespected by the west ? Why do you not see the real IMPERIAL CHINA OF 5,000 years of magnificent achievements in science & innovation ? We were already weaving fine silks when Europe was wearing animal hide for warmth. We were the first and for a very long time the only people who produced fine CHINA hence we are synonymous with CHINA. It was China that had laid the foundation for all of modern day science & technology. There is a BBCTV programme under the title of the discoveries of ancient China; go and discover the achievements of China in all history, and then tell me if the USA or Europe can claim such kudos.

    We Chinese do not need to read the *** that spew from the lips of an ???the last governor of Hong Kong??? what???s his name ? Go read his book on his term and his prediction of the China that will emerge after him. WHAT A LOAD OF WISHFUL THINKING. Think of this at the time of the hand over of Hong Kong, the people???s Republic of China had cash reserves of a mere US$60 billion and today China has a cash reserve of almost $2 trillion and the USA has a national debt of 9 US$trillion. From my perspective for the USA to overtake (to produce a positive reserve of USA$1 (one $) the USA has to first pay off US$9 Trillion and then to earn an additional US$2 trillion so that the USA can produce a positive of USA$ 1 (one $).

    Think of this achievement of the People???s Republic of China, WE DID ALL THIS TREMENDOUS ACHIEVEMENTS IN JUST UNDER 20 YEARS. Why do you not think us as your superior (both EU & USA) ?

  • Posted By: Soo Chang @ 07/28/2008 12:31:43 AM

    Do you know what the China's leaders are afraid of?

    Whenever Chinese got together more than 100,000 people for some reason, purpose, they changed their purpose to the freedom.

    This is what will happen to the beijing next month. More than 1million peoples......

    I'm very curious how the government control them under the foreign broadcasting watching.

    • Posted By: TheMiddlePath @ 07/28/2008 12:58:57 AM

      Have you seen this video clip in May 2008. 1 million Chinese at TAM suddenly shouting and punching fist in the air. And the Police did not know how to disperse them.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRke2WKF-Ms&feature=related

  • Posted By: Tan Boon Tee @ 07/28/2008 12:58:12 AM

    I am glad that the writer has echoed part of my view in one of my letters published in Newsweek not long ago. Indeed, it is absolutely correct in saying that China???s identity results from the legacy of its intense humiliation from foreigners in a full hundred years from the mid-nineteenth century.

    Truly, the past Chinese sufferings have been smartly used by the Beijing leaders to serve mainly as the emotional exigency of the mass, whipping up a powerful national patriotism not seen in the history of China.

    To have a fruitful accomplishment of the Olympic Games means a great deal to every Chinese, and it will be a heaven sent bonus if they manage to top the gold medal list. After all, they have been wanting and long waiting for the moment to stand up tall and be respected by others in the world.

    I wish Beijing the very best.
    (Tan Boon Tee, btt1943@yahoo.com)

  • Posted By: dodoaunt @ 07/28/2008 12:56:19 AM

    To answer freeallchinese below:

    First, to say that contemporary Chinese do not have the heritage of the Chinese culture is de facto frivolous and even borders on desperation. If one has a minimum amount of knowledge of the Chinese culture, one would know that the Chinese culture is incredibly resilient. We say ????????????????????????????????????????????????.???That is, we view the coming back from the defeat, any defeat, as inevitable.

    The Chinese kids start learning the Chinese literatures from early on, for example, they recite the Tang Poems when as early as 3 years old. They are taught the traditional values such as??? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????, or ?????????????????????????????????, which are unheard of in the West.

    These values, even though cannot be well understood by the youngsters, sit in silently as the kids grow up. However, throughout their adulthood, these seemingly simple teachings would come back many times to them bearing a completely new and deeper meaning that they never know before and leads them to quest further into their own culture, which are not ubiquitous on the surface of the society, but readily available to every curious Chinese mind.

    The core of the Chinese culture lies there INTACT in the books written by all those incredible talents for thousands of years, and there are numerous of them. And we, the modern day Chinese, are the carrier of this great heritage, because we not only know the language, we identify with it and it claims our deepest love. Our culture just cannot be robbed from us either by acts or words.

  • Posted By: Tan Boon Tee @ 07/27/2008 11:56:26 PM

    I am glad that the writer has echoed part of my view in one of my letters published in Newsweek not long ago. Indeed, it is absolutely correct in saying that China???s identity results from the legacy of its intense humiliation from foreigners in a full hundred years from the mid-nineteenth century.

    Truly, the past Chinese sufferings have been smartly used by the Beijing leaders to serve mainly as the emotional exigency of the mass, whipping up a powerful national patriotism not seen in the history of China.

    To have a fruitful accomplishment of the Olympic Games means a great deal to every Chinese, and it will be a heaven sent bonus if they manage to top the gold medal list. After all, they have been wanting and long waiting for the moment to stand up tall and be respected by others in the world.

    I wish Beijing the very best.
    (Tan Boon Tee, btt1943@yahoo.com)

  • Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/27/2008 10:46:52 AM

    The sad fact is that China is indeed inferior to the West in every way and the Chinese know it. Whether it is pollution, food contamination, lack of basic civil rights, support of like minded repressive regimes such as Sudan and Zimbabwe, mass starvation in their own country, the humiliting military losses to Japan, the US, the British, the Mongols, the stunning and massive failure of the Communist way of life and their new embrace of capitalism, the odious repression of the Uiguars and the Tibetans, the list of failures and being "second best" goes on and on. The most obvious proof of this obvious inferiority will be the diatribes that Chinese will post in reply to this message--the vehemence and the irrationality of the replies will say it all--so sad that China has such great potential but will always be humiliated by other asian countries and cultures such as the Japanese and the Koreans and now even the Vietnamese that are inherently superior

    • Posted By: jc2000 @ 07/27/2008 2:50:58 PM

      A nation is not born as superior or inferior. It becomes superior after years of good policies and hard working, or becomes inferior after the opposite. It's naive to assume China already gained superiority, it's a fool to ignore their rise.

      It is to China's best interest to keep a good relationship with the west but that doesn't mean they are really concerned about whether you respect them. Remember most people in China doesn't respect people like you either. Would your disrespect towards them weight more than theirs towards you? I doubt it. The only practical solution is to put the difference aside and business as usual.

      • Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/27/2008 3:42:48 PM

        to jc2000-you hit the nail on the head when you said that a nation becomes inferior after years of bad policies-thank you for proving my point! And if you don't think that China cares about what the west thinks of them, then you missed the point of the article--why do you think China wanted to host the Olympics? To try to convince the west that it is civilized--and it has proven that it is not--all the world now sees China for what it is--repressive, backward, uncivilized, rude and uncouth--spitting in the streets, a hole in the ground for a toilet, eating cats and dogs as a "delicacy", brutally repressing any dissent, having to shut down Peking in order make the air breathable for the athletes? the list goes on--China was once a great nation and culture--sadly it has become solely focused on money and power-- and we all know how that story ends

        • Posted By: TheMiddlePath @ 07/27/2008 7:25:28 PM

          China does not really care about what the West thinks. China truely has an indepenent foreign policy that does not aplease any power big or small. China policy on Sudan and Zimbabwe is based on non interference, respect for territorial integrity and mutual respect. Has not change even in face barbarians screaming all the way to the moon. China is truely an independent country. The Olympic is an sporting event. China has been calm and consistant on this despite threats of boycot from the Barbarians.. Now being outwitted and outsmarted and out numbered, the boycott has collapsed. the torch run has seen fantastic support everywhere except barbarian countries. Inside China the support from local people has been awesome. Just see some of the pictures of the crowds cheering "Zhong Guo Jai You". and you will be shooked.
          So....all that is left for these barbarians is to throw insults and more insults. Because they has lost all arguements.

          • Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/27/2008 9:20:54 PM

            thank you for proving my point--barbarian, eh? now you truly have lost the argument. game, set, match.

            • Posted By: TheMiddlePath @ 07/27/2008 10:50:21 PM

              Obviously no explaination.

              • Posted By: freeallchinese @ 07/27/2008 11:53:57 PM

                MiddlePath--of course you have no explanation--

  • Posted By: pilipino @ 07/27/2008 10:10:09 PM

    Isn't the author the Orville Schell who was a good and old friend of China until there was a falling out. Know some background about this fellow to understand his views of China.

  • Posted By: hiero @ 07/27/2008 3:33:02 PM

    Comment: We should consider what we're saying either way--to protest or not to protest. Saying nothing will be taken as "something" at this point. And I don't think it's incumbent on us (as mere human rights & democracy enthusiasts) to apologize for the sins of old empires. Neither should they be able to use past sufferings inflicted by others as a screen for what's going on now. The Dragon is Rising and all that, sure, but that doesn't mean we should just accommodate bad behavior. (http://thoughtswat.blogspot.com/2008/07/que-sera-sera.html)

    • Posted By: TheMiddlePath @ 07/27/2008 9:43:42 PM

      Sins of old empire ? Ok how about present day Iraq ?

  • Posted By: Catherian_lq @ 07/27/2008 9:39:21 PM

    When you are not really understand a person very well it's rediculous to judge him in such a certain tone, so to a country. There's no such a thing as escaping her past as a country except some ones who are fullish enough to think that people won't draw a just conclusion for what they have done in the past. The Chinese people won't forget their past and will talk about it at any time when it' s necessary because they can still learn a lot from their past. And this is also why China has made great progress in recent years . But are there any countries who haven't developed under the experiance of their past and their great dreams towards the future? China is not achieving so much great progress just for eliminating a humiliated past. No ! She's striving for a better place for her people, for avoiding a tragical past to repeat again to her people.
    There might be some problems in their way of dealing with some events internal or external , that's only because they havn't found a better way in a developing process and there are so many complicated elements to consider . How many countries,after all, can solve their own problems and the related international ones very satisfyingly? They just meet some difficulties and try to deal with them in their best way as other countries are doing. So don't criticise a country recklessly and connect her so-called " deep-rooted"problems with her past.Every country has some no n-bright past , but that is not the excuse for anyone or anycountry to draw a quick conclusion about your great understanding of what they are confronted with. Mind your own business first, OK?

  • Posted By: Catherian_lq @ 07/27/2008 9:36:26 PM

    When you are not really understand a person very well it's rediculous to judge him in such a certain tone, so to a country. There's no such a thing as escaping her past as a country except some ones who are fullish enough to think that people won't draw a just conclusion for what they have done in the past. The Chinese people won't forget their past and will talk about it at any time when it' s necessary because they can still learn a lot from their past. And this is also why China has made great progress in recent years . But are there any countries who haven't developed under the experiance of their past and their great dreams towards the future? China is not achieving so much great progress just for eliminating a humiliated past. No ! She's striving for a better place for her people, for avoiding a tragical past to repeat again to her people.
    There might be some problems in their way of dealing with some events internal or external , that's only because they havn't found a better way in a developing process and there are so many complicated elements to consider . How many countries,after all, can solve their own problems and the related international ones very satisfyingly? They just meet some difficulties and try to deal with them in their best way as other countries are doing. So don't criticise a country recklessly and connect her so-called " deep-rooted"problems with her past.Every country has some no n-bright past , but that is not the excuse for anyone or anycountry to draw a quick conclusion about your great understanding of what they are confronted with. Mind your own business first, OK?

  • Posted By: korea4one1 @ 07/27/2008 8:46:43 PM

    Tell you the truth. Not interested in Beijing Olympic or China. Olympic games have been " political showcase" for very very along time. In reality it won't change China or Chinese. The game is boosting national corrupt ego.

  • Posted By: korea4one1 @ 07/27/2008 8:44:22 PM

    Tell you the truth. Not interested in Beijing Olympic or China. Olympic game have been " Political Showcase" for very very long time.

  • Posted By: dan69 @ 07/27/2008 4:19:41 AM

    Funny how the mainland Chinese are suddenly so independently-minded to criticize CNN, yet they dared to say a single world about the state-owned universe of fabricated media and TV stations such as CCTV.

    • Posted By: TheMiddlePath @ 07/27/2008 6:19:39 PM

      That does not allow CNN to justify distortion and outright racist reporting. Does it ?
      Enjoy
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EAuNjXWtUY&feature=related

  • Posted By: TheMiddlePath @ 07/27/2008 6:17:09 PM

    Enjoy
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EAuNjXWtUY&feature=related

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