China’s Agony of Defeat

I can't believe such biased, bigoted and ill-intended trash is being printed. The author wants a China that's divided, poor and constantly at the mercy of the West, whereas the people of China want their country to be unified, peaceful and moderately wealthy. One can sense a profound sense of frustration on the part of the author that China is developing peacefully despite his call-to-arms for Western intervention. His efforts are doomed to fail.

We should consider what we're saying either way--to protest or not to protest. Saying nothing will be taken as "something" at this point. And I don't think it's incumbent on us (as mere human rights & democracy enthusiasts) to apologize for the sins of old empires. Neither should they be able to use past sufferings inflicted by others as a screen for what's going on now. The Dragon is Rising and all that, sure, but that doesn't mean we should just accommodate bad behavior.

The ultimiate reason that most Chinese still can not escape the victim status is because their economy status. While the country as a whole have made great progress is becoming a world power, due to its vast population, most people are still living on an income that is 1/10 or less of the west. Until that gap closes, they are going to feel that way. So far CCP has been doing a rather good job on improving their living standard, that's why CCP are so popular. There are of course propoganda stuff and much dirty plays both from inside and outside China, but ultimiately, it's money that matters.

dan69 is either naive or evil is his comments on this bulletin board. How independent we Americans realy are? Can we vote anyone who is neither Democrat nor Republic into the White House? Can we criticise Israel without being labled as "anti-semite" and possibly lost job/contracts and become an outcast of the society? Are all the media outlet including Newsweek not controlled by a handful of corporations whose ultimate goals are to make maximum profits (not necessarily for better humanity)? Are you getting your "true and unaltered news" from where? Is your knowledge of China from first-hand experience or just something the China-haters (a lot of them are neo-White Supremacists) or preachers of "Yellow Peril" are spouting out daily? More likely the view you have about China is the carbon copy of what the corporate media told you about?

We do always scrutinize and criticize the state-owned media. And we've been watching how they improve and progress. But we neglected to translate those criticism into English, so that people who don't know our language thought those criticism didn't exist at all. So I believe, as we're gaining more knowledge about each other, we can talk about these issues in a manner that's more mature and more fair.

Funny how the mainland Chinese are suddenly so independently-minded to criticize CNN, yet they dared to say a single world about the state-owned universe of fabricated media and TV stations such as CCTV.

Funny how the mainland Chinese are suddenly so independently-minded to criticize CNN, yet they dared to say a single world about the state-owned universe of fabricated media and TV stations such as CCTV.

Funny how the mainland Chinese are suddenly so independently-minded to criticize CNN, yet they dared to say a single world about the state-owned universe of fabricated media and TV stations such as CCTV.

Funny how the mainland Chinese are suddenly so independently-minded to criticize CNN, yet they dared to say a single world about the state-owned universe of fabricated media and TV stations such as CCTV.

Funny how the mainland Chinese are suddenly so independently-minded to criticize CNN, yet they dared to say a single world about the state-owned universe of fabricated media and TV stations such as CCTV.

Funny how the mainland Chinese are suddenly so independently-minded to criticize CNN, yet they dared to say a single world about the state-owned universe of fabricated media and TV stations such as CCTV.

Funny how the mainland Chinese are suddenly so independently-minded to criticize CNN, yet they dared to say a single world about the state-owned universe of fabricated media and TV stations such as CCTV.

It will never be healed as long as CCP is power, teaching such hatred from grade school, using such inferiority complex to justify its own existence and control the herd. And who said China is not a bully? China is a BULLY to mainland Chinese, they just evacuate some 1 million homeless/out-of-state chinese citizens from Beijing for the sake of a "one world, one dream" Olympic LOL

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Everyone says time could heal trauma, but how long will it take to completely heal a contury's deepest trauma? Or could it be that it will never be healed?

what needs changing is not how Chinese perceives ourselves but how westerners need to come down from the high mountains of their...and every Chinese got to help to pull down the westerners from their high mountains , then China and the world will be at peace.

what needs changing is not how Chinese perceives ourselves but how westerners need to come down from the high mountains of their...and every Chinese got to help to pull down the westerners from their high mountains , then China and the world will be at peace.

There are a few fundemental flaws in wetern perception of China that underpins all such seeming confusion.

First China does not see itself as a young nation, they see it as a civilization, a very old one. Western perspective come in the form of nationhood, a group of people who form a common-wealth for mutual benifit but its individuals are only inhabitants and pay taxes, etc. Chinese citizens see China as a civilization, they are not inhabitants in the nation, they are the nation, China is a personification of themselves and their idenity and all that symbolize China, the Chiense goverment for example, is a part of that person. They have no problem with internal criticism of goverment, but when forigners does they see an attack on China, and the goverment, as well as themselves who make up China, gets attacked.

Secondly, one tend to forget China has 1.3 billion people, to put that figure into perspective, North America and Europe combined have only around 0.8 billion, in other words China the country has more peopel than the entire western world. This did not matter in the past when natural resources was dominant in a country's economy, but in an industralized and commercial world, territory is no longer as important as one's productivity, and producity is directly proportinoal to the number of contributors. Trying to model China's economy with those conceived to model European countries will inevitably surprise a few people, the same GDP that is considered "developed' in Europe is insignificant for China. China does not see itself as a developed country simply because China's standard for 'developed' envelops an area larger than the entire developed world combines, China (as well as India) would far surpass the developed countries today and will still see themselves as developing countries.

China measures itself on the per-capta basis, the book still measures China on based on the sum. China will not be self assured for a long time because in per capta terms it is still a very backward country, from that perspective China wil only become self assured when it's overall power is at least as much as Europe and North America combined.

While the book made some correct conclusions it did not escape some traditional errors that will contribute nothing to imrpoving the reader's understanding, to attribute Chinese pride in their goverment propaganda for starters, I won't even get into it for it will take too long. Sufficent to say Chinese goverment is a member of China's family, not its company director. You will never understand Chinese political and social psychology if you do not make that fundemental transition.

There are a few fundemental flaws in wetern perception of China that underpins all such seeming confusion.

First China does not see itself as a young nation, they see it as a civilization, a very old one. Western perspective come in the form of nationhood, a group of people who form a common-wealth for mutual benifit but its individuals are only inhabitants and pay taxes, etc. Chinese citizens see China as a civilization, they are not inhabitants in the nation, they are the nation, China is a personification of themselves and their idenity and all that symbolize China, the Chiense goverment for example, is a part of that person. They have no problem with internal criticism of goverment, but when forigners does they see an attack on China, and the goverment, as well as themselves who make up China, gets attacked.

Secondly, one tend to forget China has 1.3 billion people, to put that figure into perspective, North America and Europe combined have only around 0.8 billion, in other words China the country has more peopel than the entire western world. This did not matter in the past when natural resources was dominant in a country's economy, but in an industralized and commercial world, territory is no longer as important as one's productivity, and producity is directly proportinoal to the number of contributors. Trying to model China's economy with those conceived to model European countries will inevitably surprise a few people, the same GDP that is considered "developed' in Europe is insignificant for China. China does not see itself as a developed country simply because China's standard for 'developed' envelops an area larger than the entire developed world combines, China (as well as India) would far surpass the developed countries today and will still see themselves as developing countries.

China measures itself on the per-capta basis, the book still measures China on based on the sum. China will not be self assured for a long time because in per capta terms it is still a very backward country, from that perspective China wil only become self assured when it's overall power is at least as much as Europe and North America combined.

While the book made some correct conclusions it did not escape some traditional errors that will contribute nothing to imrpoving the reader's understanding, to attribute Chinese pride in their goverment propaganda for starters, I won't even get into it for it will take too long. Sufficent to say Chinese goverment is a member of China's family, not its company director. You will never understand Chinese political and social psychology if you do not make that fundemental transition.