Inside the Grieving Brain

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  • Posted By: Laura Online @ 08/01/2008 3:43:59 PM

    Jerry Adler states, ???I can???t help but wonder: maybe the women with complicated grief just loved their mothers more.??? Perhaps the women who are strong enough to work through their grief loved their mothers more and felt that the very best way to honor the memory of a loved one is to live a full and rewarding life, not one that is crippled by grief. We all show our love ??? and our grief ??? in different ways. Mr. Adler???s assumption that only those who are prostrate with grief truly loved their parents is offensive. I recently lost my father to cancer, and while I will miss him until the end of my days, I honor him and his memory by living those days as fully as I can. Other people may love their parents as much as I loved my father, but no one could have loved him more.

  • Posted By: ktmo @ 08/01/2008 8:26:41 AM

    The last sentence would have been cut by a decent editor for two reasons. First, it is highly offensive to those who are grieving and therefore too sensational for a magazine such as Newsweek. Second, it contradicts the sentence right before it, which states the author???s opinion that it???s dangerous to quantify grief.

  • Posted By: ERC24 @ 07/31/2008 9:14:46 AM

    Its interesting to read these comments. When I read the article this morning I originally shared the same anger and resentment towards the author as some of the commentators below. My thoughts were clouded with one idea and one idea alone: my mother fought for eight years of her life to stay alive long enough to watch her only child, myself, graduate college. She knew that she wasn't living to 55, she knew that it would kill her. But regardless, she bravely went through years of pain for me. So to read that article I think to myself - I bravely have to go through my life for her and me as well. To live every day with, if not grandiose meaning, then simple, happy meaning. To help and for others and appreciate everything that we have taht so many people don't. How dare the author proclaim that the miserable non-functioning grief symbolize a child who has loved their mother more? However, I have given some time to the idea and I think I get what he was saying. Love and grief are such natural, not completely scientifically explained, phenomenons of humans (and apparently elephants and primates too) and maybe they are easier explained that way rather than branded as a pathology, whether negatively implicated or not. At the ripe age of 24 I realize don't be so quick to judge. My mother did an excellent job.

  • Posted By: jath123 @ 07/31/2008 6:51:49 AM

    Bravo to the author. It is a shame that so many readers misintrepret his closing remark. He may have stated it awkwardly, but what he is essentially saying is that people who exhibit excessive grief should NOT be categorized as mentally ill. He is saying that such grief is just a condition of love, and should be defended as such, and he is right. He was just wrong to quantify it in comparison to those who do not grieve the same way. So don't condemn him for his poorly phrased closer. He was trying to defend love and grief (and normal humanity) against those who are quick to label everything as a disorder.

  • Posted By: gmariam@aol.com @ 07/30/2008 7:52:12 AM

    I must agree with the many others who have categorized Adler's concluding remarks as insensitive and tactless. To state that someone experiencing complicated grief loved their lost ones more is one of the most asinine things I have read in this magazine. It is just shy of saying that someone who doesn't suffer complicated grief didn't love their lost ones as much. This is equally unfair. Perhaps those who suffer from prolonged grief do not have the support system that those who do not have; perhaps those who experience typical grief have personalities that are more able to weather adversity and loss. There are any number of possible factors that go toward what a person experiences when they grief, and to place a value on their love and connect it to their level of grief is insensitive, ignorant and insulting.

  • Posted By: aunt_freya @ 07/30/2008 6:23:09 AM

    The suggestion that women who experienced complicated grief "maybe...just loved their mothers more" is offensive to those of us who have lost mothers early or tragically yet experienced "normal grief". I loved my mother, and our relationship was deep and close. Twenty when she died, I could have wallowed, spending hours poring over photos rather than going to classes, thinking about all the things she was missing while our family continued without her, and I did, for a while (with one semester of mediocre to abysmal grades as proof), but I knew that I had to get on with my life--it's what she would have wanted.

  • Posted By: mrstombrown @ 07/29/2008 10:10:36 PM

    Sorry for fhe typing errors in the previous comments.....my computer makes extra "s" and cuts off other letters if I do not proof read.............I was so upset by this absolutely ridiculous article. How a so-called 'respectable" magazine could run it is beyond me.......
    Please keep my son in your thoughts (and prayers if you so believe) tomorrow...hree years since he died..

  • Posted By: mrstombrown @ 07/29/2008 9:59:29 PM

    Newweek..I cancel any subscriptions to your magazine..too many unprofessional articles...too many ridiculous idiots writing equally ridiculous articles like this one...cancel subscriptions everyone!!!!

  • Posted By: mrstombrown @ 07/29/2008 9:56:36 PM

    I wrote a comment earlier this morning but it didn't post. I lost my son three years ago tomorrow..I lost my husband june 9, 2008. I can tell you that death iss MORE than a MACHINE'S imagining of so called"grief"..although I suspect the machine could be imagng any number of emotions besides "grief" in the study population. This article is a bunsch of crap...losing a loved one is a lifetime sense of loss. That is what it should be...love ones cannot be replaced..we are human...we are not machines. anyone who hass lost a child or a close loved one will tell you there are signss of life eternal...this poor as....le can't possibly understand...thank God there are many of us who do!!!

  • Posted By: Metalhaid @ 07/29/2008 8:44:14 PM

    Adler, you are an @$$h0Le. I wouldn't wish "complicated grief" on anyone, but if anyone deserves to experience it, you are a prime candidate. How DARE YOU imply that those who deal with grief in any way different than your experience loved their lost ones less. Why don't you do some research and interview a few hundred people who have lost loved ones--including those who have lost children, parents, spouses, siblings, friends, and pets--before you make such trite and insulting remarks. I hope Newsweek reads these comments and takes you to task. Shame on you, you insensitive creep! I am cancelling my subscription to Newsweek because your idiotic column is the last straw. I can't remember the last time I was so outraged from reading something some moron put in print, that I felt compelled to actually register just so I could 'comment.' I wish this wasn't a public forum, I have a few choice adjectives and adverbs I'd like use on you. I will close with an invitation for you to perform an anatomical impossibility upon yourself.

  • Posted By: lhanes @ 07/28/2008 4:46:42 PM

    excuse me?? people with complicated grief love their lost one more?? i don't do outrage much....but here i need to have my say.

    my only child, my 6 year old son died 18 months ago. do a search on bereaved parents--it's not pretty...losing a child is truly the worst thing that can happen to you. ask any parent.

    so i was with you on this article, thinking to myself i don't have 'complicated grief' because i am quite functional. i have many dark nights of the soul, and it's been a long, slow climb out of the pit of hell the past 18 months, but i owe it to my son to be healthy, to re-build my life. To say i did not love him as much as someone who has 'complicated grief' is just insulting...perhaps there are reasons some function better than others, but it's not the depth of one's love.

    • Posted By: Metalhaid @ 07/29/2008 8:36:25 PM

      You are truly an inspiration to all who read this, and perhaps that is part of your journey. We don't know why we are here or why what happens along the way, but you will see your son on the other side. God bless you and your family, and I hope Jerry Adler realizes what a horse's patoot he is for not properly researching this cruelly honest topic, and ending with such a pithy comment.

    • Posted By: Class of 58 @ 07/28/2008 5:23:58 PM

      God bless and comfort you, dear lady. Or do I just assume you are a woman. My mother lost two children who were in their 20's. She died at age 89 with a tear in her eye. I am 67 now. My sisters are "22 and 26. "I am still agonized about their death. There is no complication..... just love.

      • Posted By: Zerock @ 07/29/2008 2:45:28 AM

        I don't know what it would be like to lose a child, I am a Father of six Wonderfull Children, I almost lost my 19 year old son to a Quad accident, one year ago, Our lives lost its nortmality for what thank God was brief yet seemed endless. I stopped working so that i could sit at his bed side as he slowly recovered. there was long days of weeping mixed with fear and hope as we struggled with his brain injury and what his life had become. Thankfully he is now living at home and is wonderfully happy and a real encouragement to all who meet him.
        I am 45, My father was tragicaly killed when I was just 9. My father and I were real close but because he was slain by a family member I felt I could not talk about it beyond saying my father was dead. What ever grieving I did I did silently. For years I looked for him in crouds and he still visits me in a dream now and then. I have come to realise that there is no good time to die whether your a child or parrent. My brush with death has caused me to meditate deeply on my own passing to the point that I am ready at any moment to accept a sudden death either my own or a loved one. I have also helped my children to meditate on my passing as well as their own so that if I should die suddenly they know how I would want them to feal. they know I love them no matter what. My youngest child is the age i was when my father died and some times speaks to me about the wonderfull moments we share together and assures me that if i die she will never forget the time when....we talk about death as comfortably as we talk about life I assure them that if they were to pass on before I do that i will storm the gates of heaven with their names comming from my lips. (They Chuckle) I am proud of all my children for their love for life and their acceptance of death, this is how i dealt with my complex grief.

      • Posted By: Zerock @ 07/29/2008 2:43:11 AM

        I don't know what it would be like to lose a child, I am a Father of six Wonderfull Children, I almost lost my 19 year old son to a Quad accident, one year ago, Our lives lost its nortmality for what thank God was brief yet seemed endless. I stopped working so that i could sit at his bed side as he slowly recovered. there was long days of weeping mixed with fear and hope as we struggled with his brain injury and what his life had become. Thankfully he is now living at home and is wonderfully happy and a real encouragement to all who meet him.
        I am 45, My father was tragicaly killed when I was just 9. My father and I were real close but because he was slain by a family member I felt I could not talk about it beyond saying my father was dead. What ever grieving I did I did silently. For years I looked for him in crouds and he still visits me in a dream now and then. I have come to realise that there is no good time to die whether your a child or parrent. My brush with death has caused me to meditate deeply on my own passing to the point that I am ready at any moment to accept a sudden death either my own or a loved one. I have also helped my children to meditate on my passing as well as their own so that if I should die suddenly they know how I would want them to feal. they know I love them no matter what. My youngest child is the age i was when my father died and some times speaks to me about the wonderfull moments we share together and assures me that if i die she will never forget the time when....we talk about death as comfortably as we talk about life I assure them that if they were to pass on before I do that i will storm the gates of heaven with their names comming from my lips. (They Chuckle) I am proud of all my children for their love for life and their acceptance of death, this is how i dealt with my complex grief.

      • Posted By: drsyko1 @ 07/28/2008 6:13:00 PM

        As a psychologist who helps others deal with their grief and someone who has dealt with grief personally, I fully agree with you that the author's comment about loving someone more being the cause of complicated bereavement is incredibly tactless and insulting. It's truly one of the more moronic explanations I've ever heard. There's nothing like implying that if you're healthy and functional in spite of going through a terrible loss it must mean you didn't love that person enough! What an idiot . There is really just no excuse for saying something so incredibly ignorant as that. On a personal note, I'm so sorry for the loss you have suffered. It is a truly terrible thing to lose a child and it sounds like you have coped well with it. I hope things get better for you in the future.

        • Posted By: lhanes @ 07/28/2008 11:11:48 PM

          Thank you both--yes, i am a mother, And i know the writer was just trying to make a point at the end of the article that not everything is mental illness and we should stop labeling things that are a normal part of the human condition as such. And with that i totally agree. No, no one wants to deal with others' grief, and as a society we are awful at this. That said, the way he made his point was ridiculously tactless. And given the topic i can't think he was trying to be funny. So not sure what he was thinking. Yes, I'm coping fairly well, but truly I'd rather have gone through anything, including my own death, than to have seen him die. There just are no words.

  • Posted By: seabeckjill @ 07/29/2008 12:01:17 AM

    My 14 year old daughter was killed by a "rogue wave" while at the ocean with friends just four days before Christmas 2006. I think about her every other minute, and I still cry several times a day, because I miss her so much. I am still going to work every day, doing my household chores, taking care of my older daughter and husband. But I will never, never "get over" the loss of my child. Never. I probably suffer from "complicated grief", but I don't think that I am mentally ill. I don't know how long it takes for the pain to diminish, for the yearning to see them again to go away, but whenever that is, I have not gotten there yet. I don't think that I loved her more than other parents love their children, and I don't think the depth of love has anything to do with how people grieve, some people just function better than others when faced with tragedy.

    • Posted By: Manee1 @ 07/29/2008 8:47:56 AM

      Suffering from this "complicated grief" WOULD mean you were mentally ill, and even if you don't have that, it sounds like you might have depression, which yes, is a mental illness. Being mentally ill doesn't mean you feel "crazy."

  • Posted By: WillowinIowa @ 07/28/2008 8:59:26 PM

    I don't think it has anything to do with "loving them more." I don't know what it is. When my Mom died in 2003, I thought it just couldn't be any worse than that (of course, I have never lost a child, I am sure that would be far worse). I do know that the pain of losing my Mom was horrible, but over a period of months, the pain began to diminish. Then came the day when my daughter and I made a joke that included my Mom's way of doing things. We laughed and laughed. We now make jokes and laugh at good memories and enjoy the happiness that comes from having been loved so much by that woman. So as time goes by, I was talking to another nurse in the nursing home I work in, and I said, "I think about my Mom every day. And I am 56, and still miss her." A woman walking by the nurses station said, "I am 96. I haven't seen my Mom in almost 60 years and I miss her every day too. And I can't wait to see her again." so I guess grief doesn't go away, it just changes into something we can live with.

  • Posted By: angelosdaughter @ 07/28/2008 4:18:03 PM

    I can't see categorizing prolonged grief as a mental illness. There is no timetable for grieving; it takes as long as it takes. Telling the stories and looking at the pictures is just a way of working it out and sometimes it takes years. In this country we shy away from the subject of death, and we just want people to get over it as fast as possible so we don't have to deal with our own fears, otherwise something is wrong with them. We don't take individual progression into consideration. Sometimes people just integrate the lost beloved into their lives in a different way. My sister and I talk in our father's Itaiian accent to each other when we repeat something he said. We don't want to list the memory of it. We have gone on with our lives, but we feel that we bring a part of him into our future that way, and he will never be lost to us. He did promise to 'love us forever after'', and that makes him present. We just can't see him right now. If you think we are delusional, that is your issue, not ours. Sometimes we make a choice on what we believe. For us this is more bearable than to believe that he is irrevocably gone.

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