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Dr. Drew on New York's ban on cigarettes for addicts

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  • Posted By: Kingrecovery @ 08/05/2008 9:05:54 AM

    Is this really a matter of rights being revoked? I think the issues that have been raised as concerns are all real. It will take time to measure the benefits as opposed to the detriments of having this law in place. I do think, based on the facts that we do have, it was worth taking the initiative and allowing this to go foward.

  • Posted By: skinnyminny2 @ 08/02/2008 8:16:39 PM

    I've always wondered why addicts can't drink in rehab but they can smoke. Both are legal. Both are addidive substances. Given that, this bad makes perfect sense.

  • Posted By: thrasher32 @ 08/02/2008 1:08:17 PM

    susie121: I think you're confused. Liberals don't take rights away, that's why they're called liberals. The conservatives, by definition, are the ones who try to legislate morality and take away your freedom "for your own good".

  • Posted By: gobbledegook @ 08/02/2008 5:26:41 AM

    Dr Drew hate on Super Chicken

  • Posted By: Susie121 @ 08/02/2008 12:03:47 AM

    I think it is funny that most people posting here are so outraged by the ban. This is what happens when you elect far left liberal politicians. Just like Pelosi and the fascist gang who shut down Congress early today to prevent an energy vote. If you don't think the goverment has a right to say you cannot consume a LEGAL substance....then maybe you should stop voting for liberal politician who think we are all children and cannot make decisions for ourselves. I have never smoked in my life and think it is a disgusting habit but I also think it is every American's right to choose for themselves if they want to smoke or not. This is just a small sign of things to come if we move toward Universal Health care.....forget having the right to consume a Big Mac at lunch if you want.

  • Posted By: maggiemae656 @ 08/01/2008 11:33:22 PM

    With all the problems we are facing in this country today, I believe it is criminal to take away a small pleasure in life from those who enjoy smoking. It is abusive to deny someone with serious addiction issues a cigarette. This country has gone too far in the invasion of personal rights. The Mayor of New York needs to be dethroned--his power has gone to his head. Leave people alone and work on fixing the economy.

  • Posted By: rec19724u @ 07/31/2008 3:33:22 PM

    First and foremost, I am a smoker, I started at the age of 18, and I really do regret the fact that I did, unlike some of the other comments, I have a sincere message, Iam not going to highlight how the scent of a smoker is, or yellow teeth (by the way, I have beautiful white gorgeous teeth- straight from my dentist) at any rate, If I can save one person from picking up cigarettes, that is what I would most want my message to be.
    Smoking is not glamorous, it dosen't make you desirable or cool, it kills...
    It's highly addictive and definately not worth your life, I had two aunts and one uncle who died of lung cancer from smoking, all within six months of each other, they all still smoked up untill the last moment of life, smoking took away their lives and away from their children (all young in ages) PLEASE, if your reading this stop...As for the ban of smoking in rehab, I think it should be encouraged, however, I feel that eary intervention, in schools etc is a positive step, if an individual is seeking treatment , I feel that weaning oneself off of the illegal drugs is hard enough, our society is so hypocritical, New York state bans smoking in facilities, however, they continue to distribute the drug and reap the proceeds.
    PLEASE CHOOSE TO LIVE....STOP SMOKING NOW!!!!!!

  • Posted By: observer101 @ 07/31/2008 10:45:25 AM

    Smokers seem to think they are cool holding their cigs in there hands, smoke wafting around, and the cool yellow stains on their hands...Heck I want to smell like an ashtray, eat food with no taste and have my kid made fun of because they smell up the class with the smokey clothes they wear..Its cool! A smoker has really neat cig butt gardens in their front yard that has to be seen and smelled on a rainy day to be admired.. I want to look stupid in a car with the window cracked open an inch and my hand in the arm wrestlers positon with a cig dangling between my index and middle finger...Why do they do that?..Window open,cig sticking out of it, they take a drag, put the cig back in the window and exhale the smoke IN the car...Yumm!..I love looking at used cars and seeing that yellow film glazed on the window..Bottom line smokers suck butts...lol no pun intended. Their insurance should be ultra high if they want to continue smoking, and lowered if they go on some program to genuinly get them to quit..And for bans on smoking in restaurants?..You bet!..I hated going to a sit down restaurant and asking to sit in the non smoking section only to have to be WALKED through the smoking section to get there..Nasty...Not to mention the smoke didnt exactly stay in the smokers section....Good thing its banned from restaurants now.

  • Posted By: slimpundit @ 07/30/2008 10:51:34 PM

    Most addicts internally would welcome the idea of being forced to quit smoking at the same time as quitting another addiction. "Kill two birds with one stone." How many addicts don't actually want to quit smoking? Sure, I love spending $7/day (over $2400/year), smelling like crap all of the time, afraid to talk too close to others because I know how bad other smokers' breaths smell, and spending countless amounts of time all to make my teeth bright yellow, kill my taste buds, decrease my endurance, and kill me early. Why quit? I don't know any long-term smokers who don't want to quit. Why does this article focus on Celebrities in rehab? They have an inherent penchant for doing what is "cool". They are not the norm and should not be used as examples. If a heroine addict decides not to get treatment because he doesn't want to quit smoking, he's not ready to get treatment. Embrace the opportunity, that's why you're there in the first place. To find out more about quitting addictions, check out my blog: http://slimpundit.wordpress.com/
    You can also support those in need by sending donations to paypal account: digital_velocity@hotmail.com
    We have limited funds and have committees set up to help people battle their addiction, please send your support. Even $1 helps if it's coming from many.

  • Posted By: gertiebird @ 07/30/2008 5:14:29 PM

    I think to ban smoking treatment centers is rediculous. As a recovering addict, I would never be so bold as to tell someone that they had to quit smoking along with everything else. When you are first getting clean, you have bigger fish to fry. My first sponsor in a twelve step program suggested that I not try to quit smoking for the first year. I tell my sponsees the same thing. If I wasn't able to hold on to something that was routine for me to begin with, I never would have made it. I know it seems silly, but even the experts will never understand addiction the way an addict does. I have now been clean for over five years, and just quit smoking seven months ago. Addicts need to be able to chose if and when to quit smoking in their own time.
    Its something normal people will never understand, and I think it is totally bogus for them to try to regulate it.

  • Posted By: gertiebird @ 07/30/2008 4:41:13 PM

    As a recovering adict, I am appalled at this ban. In my twelve step program, my sponsor always told me we would cross that bridge when we came to it. I have recommended to those I sponsor, as was recommended to me, that you shouldn't try to stop smoking in the first year of recovery. There are bigger fish to fry and you need something to hold on to. Giving up too much too fast, in my experience, leads to relapse. I quit smoking seven months ago, but have been clean for over five years. Also, I refused to go to any treatment center that would not let me smoke. I have many friends in recovery who feel the same. FYI, you can be the greatest, most brilliant doctor in the world, but you will never know more about addiction than an addict. It pisses me off when doctors act all preachy about it. Live it first, and maybe then I'll listen to what you have to say.

  • Posted By: idonow @ 07/30/2008 3:54:31 PM

    smoke em if you gottem we are going to get universal health care anyway so we all either get medical care or we can file a discimination lawsuit whoopee!! winner either way

  • Posted By: dopelgangerA @ 07/30/2008 3:18:10 PM

    Elected lawmakers should careful about micro-managing health care. Yes, of course we would all like to see both those addicted to illegal substances, and those who are not, to quit smoking. But, aren't the trained professionals who RUN treatment clinics the best-qualified to decide whether it's good to rigidly impose an absolute & simultaneous tobacco ban on ALL of their drug-addicted clients? This kind of statewide legislation allows politicians to pat themselves on the back & to try to score points with their constituents, but is it a wise law?

  • Posted By: mariomera8 @ 07/30/2008 11:34:33 AM

    Smokers are the MOST SELFISH people on the planet, they have this non-sensical idea that their addiction is only about them. To compare it to over eating is retarded, you cant DIE from someone elses diet. Smoking effects everything around them, clothes, hair all smell like vomit, skin and hair will discolor and smell. I dont want to breath their smoke. How would they feel if I farted in their wife's face. That probably wouldnt be too pleasant. But I could always fall back on their excues, " If you dont like it then go somewhere else." Maybe I should start farting in peoples faces and tell them that if they dont like it to go somewhere else.

    • Posted By: NewYorkChad @ 07/30/2008 11:57:29 AM

      That's awesome. Quote of they day. I think that's a good idea--everytime someone is smoking in public, just fart on them and ask them if they enjoy it. Hey, at least it doesn't cause cancer.

      • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 07/30/2008 2:31:13 PM

        FARTING DOESNT CAUSE CANCER? WHEW!!!

    • Posted By: jack8472 @ 07/30/2008 12:48:18 PM

      I am so sick of these retarded claims of death by second hand smoke. You are the same people that would get out of the pool if somebody urinated in it. People do understand the concept of dilution don't you? I'm not talking about allowing smoking where you work for 8 hours a day. Over the course of 40 years, I'll bet it raises your risk of cancer by upwards of 5%. Breathing in second hand smoke during lunch at a restaurant or the smoke that escapes from the smoking room at a rehab clinic or anywhere else WILL NOT INCREASE YOUR RISK FOR CANCER. I am cannot believe that people buy in to this BS.

      Admit it. It is about the smell and about imposing your moral agenda on others. It has nothing to do with health. So, quit banning this practice just because you don't like it...

      Admit it. What it is reall

    • Posted By: Interested American @ 07/30/2008 12:39:53 PM

      Maybe you should start farting in people's faces and then deal with the consequences of your actions?

  • Posted By: observer101 @ 07/29/2008 6:10:18 PM

    Im all for freedoms as Americans to do as we wish..If you want to smoke til you die then great, If you want to eat til you pop, go for it...But dont go throwing yourself into the medicare/caid system and expect ppl to pay for YOUR stupid habits in the long run...It will cost more to keep ppl alive because of bad habits then it was for them to pay for the cigs and fast food to get them to that point...Eat and smoke all you want ...But put some of that money aside and look forward to paying YOUR own medical bills..Thats the real reason the government has to step in..Billions are being spent to keep ppl alive a few more days just to have them continue the habit that put them in the hospital in the first place...And that money isnt really coming from the government...Its coming from the WORKING citizens paycheck in the form of the ridiculous taxes and insurance premiums we have to pay. So slow down on smoking and stop super sizing everything. Besides a larger diet soda doesnt really count toward being healthy!

    • Posted By: sjbrock80 @ 07/30/2008 2:30:20 PM

      While your logic is absolutely dead on, these ideas can be pushed into other ways of life too. If you want to take on the dangerous tasks of driving, flying in a plane, walking in a dangerous neighborhood, playing with stray dogs and running with scissors, it should not be covered by medicare either, right?

      Everything (free) people do is a choice and many things can be dangerous. We as a society can't pick and choose which ones should and should not be covered by medicare. Your absolutely correct in saying smokers and obese people may cost citizens billions of dollars. But they are not the only ones for sure.

    • Posted By: Interested American @ 07/30/2008 12:46:26 PM

      Exactly! Want to eat and become fat? Cool. Don't expect help from people for your weight related issues... until you address those issues. Want to smoke? Cool. If you get lung cancer... it is on your dime.

      Hmm, this sounds like we're asking people to take responsibility for their actions... Nah, that will NEVER works. It is ALWAYS someone else's fault!

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 07/30/2008 2:28:43 PM

    addicts smoke like fiends!!! i was watching "the 2 coreys" and that cory haim is a major druggie and he SMOKES LIKE A CHIMNEY!!!

  • Posted By: Ben Stroked @ 07/30/2008 1:24:46 PM

    Heres an Idea! about trans fat, smoking, and fast foods in poor ereas! Suck this ya communist! Go back to where ever ya commy pricks are from and tell them people what to eat!

  • Posted By: Interested American @ 07/30/2008 12:38:21 PM

    C. Maclean - FYI, the NY Office of Alcoholism and Substance Abuse Services is a NY Government agency, i.e., part of the Government. So contrary to your argument, the Government IS telling citizens how to live their lives. And restricting people from participating in a legal activity.

    What you fail to grasp, or are consciously trying to ignore, is that this is just prohibition dressed up as a "health" issue. Sooner or later, these laws will be so restrictive that a black market in smoking will be born.

    Why not just be open an honest about your intentions.. for once, and just say that YOU know how people should live their lives and YOU are going to force them (using the police and a web of laws) to live in a manner YOU find to be better for them.

    There is no different between your policies and the totalitarian abuses you allege the Government carries out against you. You just LIKE these policies... because you can force them on other people.

    How sad.

    • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 07/30/2008 12:56:06 PM

      Yes, a government agency that deals with Substance Abuse Services - cigarettes are an addictive substance. This is not a prohibition dressed up as a health issue - this IS a health issue.

      I don't have a clue how people should live their lives, but I have many clues on how to assist people to achieve abstinence from addictive substances, and that is by abstaining from ALL addictive substances.

      As an aside, every hospital in the country now bans cigarettes for medical patients, and has for some time, partly because the government agency that determines Medicare reimbursement might deny reimbursement. I hear no hue and cry over people's rights for medical hospital patients - why are rehab patients any different?

      The argument about banning cigarettes in the work place, public restaurants, etc may be about people's rights and Big Brother, but the argument about prohibiting cigarettes in addiction treatment is a treament issue, pure and simple.

      It has nothing to do with totalitarian abuses, which, FYI, I haven't alleged the government has carried out against me. Yes, I like this policy - as a health care professional I find it an appropriate part of a comprehensive plan to help people get sober and stay sober.

  • Posted By: beanie @ 07/30/2008 12:55:10 PM

    In China they dictate the number of offspring one may have. Is that next in the U.S. in order to keep costs of healthcare down??? Every American should truly be frightened by the socialistic leanings of the U.S. Government. Soon we will have no CHOICE -- perhaps dictating for whom we vote will be next.

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 07/30/2008 7:11:31 AM

    DOES THAT BAN INCLUDE MARJUIANA TOO? OR JUST TOBACCO?

    • Posted By: Interested American @ 07/30/2008 12:43:53 PM

      Why would they ban pot? They LIKE pot. These groups only want to ban the stuff that they don't like. The hypocritical nature of these arguments would be funny, if it weren't so damn sad!

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