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  • Posted By: axelcarmen @ 07/30/2008 10:36:27 AM

    What's next -- Coffee?

    • Posted By: Interested American @ 07/30/2008 12:42:06 PM

      Don't worry... it will be for your benefit. And if you don't do it, well then we will FORCE you... for your benefit of course.

  • Posted By: kph99 @ 07/30/2008 11:01:49 AM

    C. MacLean why does the government have to tell me what the best way to live my life is? Sure, there is a new study saying patients are 25% increase in maintaining abstinence from drinking or drugs, but why does the government force some new regulation because of this. First of all one study with a 25% increase seems like hardly enough evidence to base a new ban upon. Secondly, have you ever heard the saying nothing does more harm than a good intention. Sure the good intention is there, but it overlooks the fact that this may make rehab much harder for people. It is hard enough for people to admit they have a drug problem and admit themselves to rehab, but now on top of that they have to quit smoking too. Smoking is a legal drug, so if someone wants to have a cigarette, especially to get through some tough times, and is clearly aware of the effects it will have on their body, than why should we stop them. It is their choice to live that way, and even if it is a better more effective practice the patient should decide if they want to give their right to smoke up, not the government.

    • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 07/30/2008 12:14:57 PM

      The government isn't telling you the best way to live your life. The NY Office of Alcoholism and Substance Abuse Services is telling you the best way to treat addiction. Please note the difference.

      This is a health policy decision, based on what we know about addiction and the brain. This is not a governmental intrusion into people's private lives.

      As far as rehab being harder without cigarettes - rehab IS hard. Period. Not being able to smoke while one is in rehab isn't any harder than not being able to drink or drug while one is in rehab, regardless of what an addict clinging to their cigarettes wants to believe.

      It has been my personal and professional experience that (a) abstaining from smoking while in rehab is very doable and (b) abstaining from smoking while in early recovery supports recovery and delays or prevents relapse.

  • Posted By: Pudbert @ 07/30/2008 12:13:11 PM

    What a joke,, typical idiot Libtard stunt..

    Now you're going to have either less people even TRYING to get off dope and alcohol, because they KNOW they can't quit ALL of their addictions cold turkey.. Or, they will try and fail at a much higher rate..

    Like I said, typical naive and self-righteous Liberals.

  • Posted By: BMA150 @ 07/30/2008 11:55:24 AM

    Overeating is worse than smoking. People act as if there are proven cases in which someone got lung cancer from second hand smoke. That's never happened. And as for you breathing in the smoke and smell of people's cigarettes, ask them to move if it bothers you so much. Obese people are the selfish ones. How many times have you been in a store or on the subway and a person that weighs over 300 pounds is pressing against you, blocking your path, or dripping sweat everywhere. II have a feeling mariomera8 is obese and he doesn't think his weight problem Inconveniences anyone but he's wrong

    • Posted By: mariomera8 @ 07/30/2008 12:12:25 PM

      Thats funny, this is like high school. I am not obese, I am an athlete actually, I play hockey and am an avid cyclist. Id like to see someone with smokers cough come ride a century with me. They'd sound like Magda from "Something About Mary"

  • Posted By: allthereis @ 07/30/2008 11:57:51 AM

    Not so long ago, smokers were ENCOURAGED to smoke though they knew the detriments and addictions of doing it. Advertising specially directed to youth . But of course this was ok then and overlooked because everyone was making money.- Businesses and the government. Now health conscious people want it stopped without looking at or caring about what it took to instill the process and what it will take to stop the habit. Now we have people belittling smokers who cannot stop the vicious cycle. It is an addiction. There are right and wrong ways of doing things and I am ashamed of the manner in which smokers have been treated. It is not that smokers think it is all about them but rather they have rights too. Where are the people responsible for all of this? What are they doing to right the wrong they pushed for so many years? Nothing. Just push smokers to designated areas which get smaller and smaller or non existent, scowl at them, like they are intentionally trying to affect you. So much for giving a hoot for your fellow man.

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 07/30/2008 11:11:13 AM

    Life,Liberty,Persuit of Happiness
    Yes, I'm addicted to something, i do so ENJOY, and supports this country! The country does not have the RIGHT, to make, or tell me, to quit! If this were the case when the GOV is sued, by Veterans who got smokes in the meals, get done. You will not have a GOV left to protect you from anyone!

    • Posted By: NewYorkChad @ 07/30/2008 11:52:35 AM

      That's awesome that you enjoy it. Enjoy it in your own home away from the rest of us that don't enjoy your stench. If you want to slowly commit suicide, at least don't try to take the rest of us out with your cancerous aromas. Thanks for the selfishness.

      • Posted By: NewYorkChad @ 07/30/2008 11:55:27 AM

        New York law doesn't say that you have to quit. You just can't smoke in public places-the way it ought to be. Why should we have to smell that stench you voluntarily make that is harmful to us and we don't want? The government certainly has every right to ban it in public places. That is what the government is there for-to protect the majority from the selfish, whacked, minority

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 07/30/2008 11:03:46 AM

    Kick one easy[ier], quit two forget rehab! i prefere to stay a junkie and get my money on the street! I'm not giving up smokes, and meth, TOGETHER only one at a time, or none! Body shock is what happens when you quit two, like Opium and alchol in one drink, first remove the opium, after they recover, remove the booze! remove both =death!Have a nice day! Sit in your car,during traffic, and blame me a smoker for your view, just as eyes wide shut today, as they were yesterday! DON'T BLAST US SMOKERS. WHO ELSE DO YOU GOT TO TAX FOR CHILDRENS HEALTHCARE IF I QUIT? YOUR PROGRAM IS BUILT ON A UNSTABLE TAX BASE AND WILL NOT WORK, SO LET US SMOKE OR PAY WHAT THEY WANT FROM US OUT OF YOUR OWN POCKET.!

    • Posted By: NewYorkChad @ 07/30/2008 11:49:22 AM

      According to forner New York Governor, Elliot Spitzer, more tax dollars are spent on healthcare to treat diseases caused by cigarette smoking than anything else. So, I guess if you stopped smoking, we could use that money to pay for children's healthcare and then some. Hey, and maybe if you stopped smoking, kids wouldn't have to see the doctor so often. Ever think of that?

    • Posted By: NewYorkChad @ 07/30/2008 11:47:59 AM

      According to former NY governor, Elliot Spitzer, more is paid in taxes towards healthcare treating diseases related to smoking... so I guess we could just use that money to pay for the children's healthcare. Hey... and if the children didn't have smoking parents, maybe they wouldn't need to see the doctor so often... ever think of that?

  • Posted By: Rulon @ 07/30/2008 11:04:42 AM

    a disservice to our patience?
    a disservice to our patience?
    a disservice to our patience?

    A disservice to our patieNTS!

  • Posted By: barrett.archer @ 07/30/2008 10:58:07 AM

    This is absurd. The government has no more right to control what substances the public uses and when and where they use them than they do to tell us what to eat. At this rate, we'll be getting fed manufactured meals shoveled out of a 40 pound bag like dogs. In "Like What?", the doctor points out that doctors at treatment centers have no say about how long their patients stay. There is no insurance money to allow patients to afford the treatment. No one in the government is holding the insurance companies accountable. Focus on the real damned problems and get your nose the hell out of mu business, government!

  • Posted By: patrickbuckles @ 07/30/2008 10:42:20 AM

    Get the government out of our lives!!!! I'm a non-smoker. Quit 4 years ago, after 35 years of smoking. It didn't take the government placing bans on smoking, it took God, and self determiniation!!! STOP THE GOVERNMENT'S intrusions. We're all going to be real sorry one day!! The government will control us completely!! I'm hoping to be dead and gone by that time!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!

  • Posted By: KIM1_GRAPHICS @ 07/30/2008 10:42:00 AM

    It's an enormous step for one to kick cocaine, etc., but to go to a treatment center and to also be FORCED to quit smoking on TOP of kicking drug habits? Addiction is the hardest thing to overcome in life - drug addiction & smoking, topping the charts. To kick both at the same time is RIDICULOUS. Here's the problem - THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING THE RULES AND REGULATIONS DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE ADDICTED!

  • Posted By: thisniss @ 07/30/2008 10:08:38 AM

    This ban is bullsh*t, based on slim science and moral prudery. There are a few studies suggesting somewhat "better" results from nicotine cessation simultaneously with addiction treatment, but there is NO evidence to suggest that continuing to smoke "increases the likelihood of treatment failure" (as one poster claims). Much more research would be needed to prove the latter claim, particularly as it runs counter to most historical models. Anecdotally, I have seen many addicts recover from drug and alcohol abuse, and whether they did or did not smoke had nothing to do with their success. Nicotine is a deeply misunderstood drug, with many beneficial mental health properties. Its conveyance device (i.e., tobacco products) is terrible, especially when processed into chemically-enhanced cigarettes. Even still, smoking should be an individual choice as long as tobacco products remain legal. We tried Prohibition once before, and found out that it doesn't work.

    • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 07/30/2008 10:37:33 AM

      People who are talking about personal choice, freedoms, etc. are missing the point. This ban specifically addresses recovery from addiction - nicotine is an addictive drug. If you enter a rehab facility to treat addiction, you need to treat all addictions simultaneously for the best outcome. Continuing to smoke cigarettes is a relapse trigger for many addicts, and especially for alcoholics.

      This is not about morality, it is about best practice.

      Treating addiction is partly about encouraging the brain to develop new pathways, and that includes encouraging new behaviors as well as extinguishing old ones.

      I am a registered nurse in a dual-diagnosis unit, which means we treat people with co-existing mental illnes and addiction. Our hospital is smoke free - all cigarette smokers receive nicotine patches on admission as part of their detox protocol. Patients are still receiving some nicotine but in a lower dose than they would have if they were still smoking, but all the ritualistic behaviors that reinforce smoking are absent.

      And Dr. Drew is off base on his remarks about caffeine - it is most assuredly a stimulant, and too much caffeine interferes with sleep, sometimes severely. Sleep deprivation is a significant health problem, and sleep deprivation in a person in early recovery is particularly problematic, and very clearly a relapse trigger.

      Recovery from addiction is about changing behavior. It is also about addressing denial - allowing a patient to remain in denial about their nicotine addiction is not therapeutic.

      And recovery is not for the faint of heart - recovery takes courage. Anyone can be an addict - it takes real bravery and committment to recover.

  • Posted By: nanoreid @ 07/30/2008 10:25:05 AM

    I guess I won't be moving to New York or California any time soon. I like the fact that Virginia doesn't try to be a parent all the time.

  • Posted By: thisniss @ 07/30/2008 10:08:14 AM

    This ban is bullsh*t, based on slim science and moral prudery. There are a few studies suggesting somewhat "better" results from nicotine cessation simultaneously with addiction treatment, but there is NO evidence to suggest that continuing to smoke "increases the likelihood of treatment failure" (as one poster claims). Much more research would be needed to prove the latter claim, particularly as it runs counter to most historical models. Anecdotally, I have seen many addicts recover from drug and alcohol abuse, and whether they did or did not smoke had nothing to do with their success. Nicotine is a deeply misunderstood drug, with many beneficial mental health properties. Its conveyance device (i.e., tobacco products) is terrible, especially when processed into chemically-enhanced cigarettes. Even still, smoking should be an individual choice as long as tobacco products remain legal. We tried Prohibition once before, and found out that it doesn't work.

  • Posted By: BrownFoxNine @ 07/30/2008 10:05:03 AM

    LOL, dont you jut hate new York? LOL
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  • Posted By: tchaput @ 07/30/2008 9:37:19 AM

    Wow all of you making comments about the cost of health care...you pay too much attention to the ads on TV. What about all the people that have 5 babies at a time because they are on fertility drugs...who do you think pays for their hospital care for the months and months it takes to get them better. I don't see anyone up in arms about stuff like that. Incidentally, this article is about smoking in rehab facilities. I believe that most people have to pay for their own treatment.

  • Posted By: cnn357 @ 07/29/2008 4:13:50 PM

    This makes no sense. How could you take away someone's crutch becayse you think you know whats best?
    You are asking someone to kick 2 habits, this will surely have an adverse affect on those seeking treatment.
    I have quit smoking before and its hard enough by itself, I cant imagin having another habit to kick at
    the same time.

    Jeez - and they had to try this crap in my city.
    NYers are volitile enough as it is

    • Posted By: josh-levin @ 07/30/2008 9:34:17 AM

      You have to take away the crutch, or else the person will not fully recover.

  • Posted By: psoconnell @ 07/30/2008 9:33:52 AM

    I am surpirsed by Dr. Drew's ambiguous endorsement (or not) of this regualtion. All of the latest research suggests that not to address nicotine addiction along with the other substances will increase the liklihood of treatment failure. Smoking is usually a ritualistic and integral part of substance abuse behavoir. The ONLY difference between smoking (nicotine addiction) and other addictive substances is that tobacco is legal! It would be interesting to see long term studies comparing other substances with tobacco with respect to causal disease and death. I would bet tobacco smoking would be high (if not the highest) on the list. Since the average pack a day smoker will die 14 years earlier that a nonsmoker, to not aggressively address smoking in this setting amounts to malpractice in my view. Most smokers also do not live a healthy productive life in those last 10-14 years either, so from a population perspective, are you truly helping this group to lead healthy lives?? The answer is NO. Most of those who die of smoking related diseases, die (or live) anguishing under the worst of circumstances. This regulation should, without a doubt, be incorporated into every addiction treatment center!

  • Posted By: tchaput @ 07/30/2008 9:32:00 AM

    Really, ALL of your 20-year sober patients have died from lung cancer from smoking? Seems a little hard for me to believe.

  • Posted By: europatrizia @ 07/30/2008 9:31:39 AM

    Who is transcribing these interviews? "...if we don't deal with the nicotine addiction as well, we are really doing a disservice to our PATIENCE" when what was said was patients. And the reference to "patients rights" should be possessive, i.e., patients' rights. This is really basic composition and I find it shocking that Newsweek would post this before correcting these obvious errors.

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