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  • Posted By: pandayasha5500 @ 07/30/2008 2:28:46 PM

    Renter lise his way through screening process.
    Renter seems nice and seems like a good, responsible person.
    Renter picks up biggest, healthiest-looking dog.
    Renter takes dog to an alley one night and puts dog in dogfight.
    Dog doesn't know HOW to fight and is injured accordingly.

    Good job, you just killed off another dog, Renter. That'll be $100.

    • Posted By: zaq1 @ 07/30/2008 5:41:52 PM

      Would you rather the same person went to a shelter with far less screening and got his dog for the dog fight? Then worked his way through all the shelters in the County for more dogs to fight? Then drove 10 minutes to the next County and started the process again? My point is someone unscrupulous would lie and cheat any system. Additionally he could cheat the adoption system much cheaper than Flex Petz.

    • Posted By: zaq1 @ 07/30/2008 5:22:31 PM

      Would you rather the same person went to a shelter with far less screening and got his dog for the dog fight? Then worked his way through all the shelters in the County for more dogs to fight? Then drove 10 minutes to the next County and started the process again? My point is someone unscrupulous would lie and cheat any system. Additionally he could cheat the adoption system much cheaper than Flex Petz.

    • Posted By: Yurfulla @ 07/30/2008 2:36:09 PM

      Uhhhh, yeah, right. But I guess pandayaha5500 would rather have the animals go to a shelter where they are put to death after being locked in cages for awhile. Ahhhhh, you must feel so much better about that.

  • Posted By: stevoo @ 07/30/2008 5:34:26 PM

    Personally, as someone who lives in a tiny studio apartment and works 10 hour days, I think for me to own a dog (even though I would like to very much) would simply be cruel and irresponsible. I think this whole concept is in theory a good idea. I don't see what the problem is with me paying for the privilege to go play frisbee with a dog. I agree I'll never develop quite the same bond with an animal as I would if I were its owner, but unfortunately owning is currently not an option, and something is better than nothing. From the standpoint of causing the dog emotional distress, I don???t see how renting a dog for an hour from a place like this to take it on a walk is any different than volunteering at the pound for an hour and taking it on a walk. The only way I'd be against this concept was if these rental agencies somehow abused these animals. I highly doubt that is the case though, because after all, who would pay 100 bucks an hour for a dog who's either malnourished, neglected or not socialized. By the same token, who would pay 100 bucks an hour if they weren???t absolutely passionate about dogs. The fact that they take dogs from shelters for me makes it ok, since for a dog from a shelter whos alternative is to stay in a cage waiting to be euthanized, anything is a step up from status quo. The only difference between this and humane society 'doggie buddies' programs is that some entrepreneur is making you pay big money for it. Anyway, that's my two cents. I can't afford a service like this anyways, so I guess I'll stick to playing with the neighbor's dog when I get the chance.

  • Posted By: cateyes0719 @ 07/30/2008 3:11:45 PM

    I have read more of the previous messages and I can see that kj76 does not own any pets. Although kj76 is raising children, because she has her priorities in order. Ok, although I am unaware of how many children and what their ages are, i would ask ... if you have your PRIORITIES in order with RAISING YOUR CHILDREN, then why have you been on the computer on this message board since - 13:49:46 today fussing about animals. You state that you have raised animals before, I wonder if this has been in your adult life, or as a child, and I wonder what happened to them. My child is now old enough to take care of himself, but I remember when I was raising a child, I didn't have time to sit aimlessly on a computer arguing with complete strangers, getting myself all worked up and in a frenzy. I wonder what type of negative energy you are putting off when your child(ren) come up and ask you what you're doing on the computer for so long. Or is your T.V. or video games actually raising your child(ren) while you're on the computer? Maybe you should see how your child(ren) would treat a pet. I bet with your input, your kids would be the most loving companions for a dog ever !!!

    • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 3:22:52 PM

      I'd like to respond to your message, but it's not really any of your business, is it?

      The one thing I have learned on message boards is that once someone gets off-topic and starts getting personal, that usually signals that they know they've lost the argument :)

      • Posted By: Shlabubu @ 07/30/2008 4:42:56 PM

        And just who the hell are YOU to tell anyone what their priorities should be? You nothing more than an irresponsible breeder of THE most destructive species on the planet. That you advocate against every other living thing in favor of the environmental parasites that we humans have become is proof that you have absolutely NO IDEA of what anyone's priorities should be...least of all your own.

        • Posted By: marland @ 07/30/2008 5:30:28 PM

          Thanks Shlabubu - I couldn't have said it better myself....AMEN!

      • Posted By: cateyes0719 @ 07/30/2008 4:15:35 PM

        It's just as much my business on here as it is yours kj76. If you read any of my postings, not one of them is off topic, except the ones I have directed at you. If you are such a child activist, then why do you stay on this message board? Why don't you find one that relates to children? If you were so against this topic, why did you repond on here to begin with? kj76, if you will read above, you will see that the questions I have asked you are very valid questions to YOUR TOPIC of PRIORITIES RAISING CHILDREN. If you are insulted at the questions I ask, then maybe you need to do some self-evaluation, before you are so quick to assume that all of us DON'T have our priorities in order.

        • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 4:29:50 PM

          Again, you're not reading too closely. I've been talking about caring for children vs. caring for animals, and which is more important. The reason I got involved in this board in the first place (which, believe it or not, is something I try to avoid doing) was a comment I read by one person who said they loved their pets as much as their children.

          Keep reading my posts and you'l see that my point is that animals rights take away recsources that could be used for more worthy causes- helping children is just the example I've been using.

        • Posted By: cateyes0719 @ 07/30/2008 4:19:46 PM

          Wow, that comment you made about someone getting off topic and getting personal means they've lost the argument... really hits home for you, doesn't it, kj76? I have read the postings, and the TIMES they were posted. Seems as if you got personal with a lot of different people on here. And who said I was arguing? I asked you some simple questions that fall in line with YOUR TOPIC that you brought up. I'm sorry that you feel threatened and can't answer the questions.

      • Posted By: marland @ 07/30/2008 3:32:33 PM

        As far as being off-topic goes, YOU are the one who got on this board and starting spouting about how important people are and that animals should be tortured and killed to help one child.

        • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 3:43:37 PM

          I didn't go off topic. Everything I've said has been framed within the topic of animal rights. And obviously you're not reading my posts very closely.

  • Posted By: ripcurl000 @ 07/30/2008 5:30:07 PM

    Fine, shelters aren't perfect systems. But neither is a dog-rental service. The idea behind a shelter is to save dogs and give them better lives (humans who cheat the system are at fault, not the shelter).

    The idea behind a dog-rental service is to make human lives better. If they truly wanted to improve the lives of dogs, they would work with shelters, or they would take them for a run.

  • Posted By: headlemk @ 07/30/2008 5:28:21 PM

    kb879: go back and re-read the article. The ratio of dog:renter is 1:5, they don't go from "stranger to stranger, day after day, week after week, year after year". Take a breathe and drop the knee-jerk reactions. My dog is happy to see anyone at anytime. Just so long as they pet him and say "hi".

  • Posted By: Winter360 @ 07/30/2008 5:21:46 PM

    I've fostered dogs, and there are dogs for whom any change in the routine is a big deal that requires much adjustment. But there are also dogs that are very flexible who see one friendly face being as good as the next and make themselves at home everywhere - and especially enjoy being the center of attention. These rental dogs do have a primary home and caretaker. They seem to take a long time to aquaint dogs with the renters and keep a sort of routine with it. So honestly, I just don't see the big deal here. The question of their "useful life" and what happens after apply to ANY working animal. And I definately don't agree with banning the lot of them. For some working dogs, placement can be tough, but it seems like it would be easy to place these dogs with the relationships they develop. Seriously, dogs are NOT children. While a dog's basic and social needs ought to be addressed, let's not pretend they are the same as children's. Rental dogs have been pitched as more of a doggie time share for busy people, but I realize some people see dogs as more of a lifestyle accessory - and honestly, I'd rather they have the opportunity to rent a dog part time from someone who gives it real and regular care than purchasing their very own.

  • Posted By: ripcurl000 @ 07/30/2008 5:20:59 PM

    There are approximately 52,850,634 dogs in the U.S.

    According to the U.S. Humane Society, about 6-8 million dogs and cats are brought into shelters every year, and about half (3-4 million) are euthanized. Save a life. Foster. Volunteer. BECOME FRIENDS WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS A DOG.


  • Posted By: dunnhaupt @ 07/30/2008 5:17:13 PM

    This was a good day for dogs. First the Chinese government banned the sale of dog meat within the city limits of Beijing for the duration of the Olympics, and now this excellent idea. And maybe the Chinese could extend the two-week dogmeat ban to include cats all well?

  • Posted By: Ray222 @ 07/30/2008 5:04:40 PM

    This practice may seem to be a 'sweet deal' for the dogs involved, if one does not understand the pyschology of dog behavior. In reality, it is detrimental to the dogs and perpetuates the attitude that animals are disposable. Those posters who have commented that this is no different from dude ranches who provide trail horses are correct - both are inhumane and cruel practices. The horses provided by dude ranches or other trail riding organizations are often worked to exhaustion with no thought to their physical needs and sold to slaughterhouses when their usefullness is over. Those who say that animals are just animals need to realize that adult dogs have the mental capacity equal to that of a young child - they understand and feel more than you obviously think they do. Maybe these "renters" do treat the dogs well, maybe the organization itself treats the dogs well - it doesn't matter because the dogs are still at risk for major behavioral and emotional problems strictly because of the lack of stability (and any abuse by the renters or the primary care-givers would seriously damage the dogs ability to be used for such a purpose). And no one has said what happens to these animals after their 'shelf-life' expires. Because older animals do not get adopted easily, I would guess that they are euthanized. For the person who said that it would be a good way to decide if a particular breed is what you want - dogs are individuals just as people are. One beagle may not behave the same as another - their personalities develop based on how they are raised, not what breed they are. If you want to have information on generalities on any particular breed, you can find all the information available on the internet.

    As for the comments on PETA - they are a group who may have started with good intentions but have transformed themselves into an extreme group that openly admits connections to terrorist animal groups such as the ALF. Their sole purpose is to end the ownership or use of ANY animal for ANY purpose, whether that be domesticated pets, livestock, zoos, wildlife, etc. They would rather see every single dog, cat, hamster, turtle and fish released to the wild or dead than in the hands of humans. However, just because PETA denounces this business does not mean that the harm being done to the dogs is any less, although I admit that anything PETA puts their name on diminshes it's accuracy or worth in the public eye. It is a shame that people choose to ignore something based on who supports it.

  • Posted By: mj23tor @ 07/30/2008 5:00:59 PM

    I think this is completely cruel to the animal, and I agree with azvoiceteacher. Dogs aren't just stupid animals they have feelings and they get attached to people. Plus what does happen to these animals if they suffer an injury or become sick?---are they just put down because they no longer are profitable? I think that is ANIMAL PROSTITUTION! If you want to spend time with a pet without having to make a full time commitment then go to the local shelter. They are always needing volunteers to help.

  • Posted By: tyedbylove @ 07/30/2008 4:37:46 PM

    Kylyn:
    I think PeTA is calling you.
    I don't know about the rest of the intellegent people that have posted on here but I for one am not only an animal lover, but am an animal lover with clout. Not only have I shared my life with animals all of these many years but I have also run a shelter for injured and orphaned wildlife as well as abused and neglected exotic pets. I have been up in by knees and beyond in the service of animals for more years than I care to devuldge and I STILL think that renting pets and giving them your best time is a luxury that most pets should be so lucky to live through.

    • Posted By: kb879 @ 07/30/2008 4:48:01 PM

      You just gave everyone the knowledge as to why your view is scewered. You come from the business end of dogs and, believe it or not, they have become a commodity to you - something to be "dealt with", "handled" and "placed"! (I'm not saying that you don't love them - I'm sure you do!!) Also, sure people will benifit from time spent with the dogs BUT that's not the issue. The issue is whether or not it's good for the dogs and hands down - IT'S NOT!!!

  • Posted By: mama bear @ 07/30/2008 4:44:32 PM

    Most, not all but most dogs I know, mine included, really don't give a rip who takes them for a walk or fills thier dish with kibble. Just as long as it is done on a regular basis. One of our dogs (out of the 5 we own) prefers to sit with me and watch TV, she will obey me and come to me first if more than one of us calls her name. But she is also the first one to great everyone at the door and do her little "Ain't I the cute one" happy dance.

    I would much rather see someone who works long hours (like a doctor), rent a dog on their free time, than purchase a dog and leave it home unattended for long periods of time. These are pets that would be in shelters anyhow. A chance to get out and get into a home environment is good for them. If these people can afford these rates to rent a pet they could certainly purchase one much cheaper. I feel they are doing the responsible thing. They want the companionship of a dog, but they cannot "be there" to meet the dog's needs. I think renting is a good option for both the dog and the renter.

    Are the owners of the pet rental service profitting....maybe. I actually hope so, that means they will have sufficient funding to take proper care of these animals. Many shelters are struggling to get by, always seeking donation to cover cost of food, shelter staff, medical expenses ect. I thik more shelters should look at "branching out" into pet rental.

  • Posted By: 1Princess @ 07/30/2008 4:43:34 PM

    Am I missing something? Does anyone really believe this is being CRUEL to pets? I completely agree with cheetahgrr13. And personal experience tells me this can be a great arrangement for a pet. I had a friend who "inherited" a wonderful cocker spaniel - but enlisted the help of a close group of dog loving friends as "surrogate" aunts and uncles because he traveled a GREAT deal. And we loved that dog as our own. She traveled, snuggled, camped, swam and vacationed with all of us individually and as a group. And 6 years later we all had our hearts broken when we she died of cancer.. She was well adjusted, and well loved. I do not see how this was any different. She had a primary caregiver (dad) and lots of loving family members - we actually referred to ourselves as her aunts and uncles. I just wish I had the same situation now. My golden retriever died last last year after 14 well lived and loved years. I have moved and my career has changed since then and I do not have the time to be a "full" time doggy mom. I miss having fur in the house.

  • Posted By: SamB85 @ 07/30/2008 4:43:34 PM

    Great.... and I thought all saw all the stupid ways people make money. Dogs need PERMANENT homes and owners. Not diffrent "owners" everyday. If someone wants to play and take care of a dog volunteer at a shelter. They woudln't have to pay and would be helping out the shelter and the animals not just the FlexPets owners' wallets. And everyone who says they are 'just animals' must have never owned a dog. My dogs are my family and are treated like it. All dogs want is a permanent home and lifelong love.

  • Posted By: Heiraksay @ 07/30/2008 4:42:09 PM

    To LIKEITIS:
    For the record, I'm a vegetarian, so there is no slaughtering involved in my meals.
    Regarding the article:
    Anways, I do believe that Flexpetz did have good intentions, and that it is a good idea to an extent. However, I do believe that pets such as cats and dog do get emotionally attached and having to be seperated is no doubt hard. To say this is cruelty however, is kind of pushing it. I'm glad that the animals are rescued and are exposed to the "pet loving kind". Personally I think that the concept of this is no different then spending a day at the local animal shelter and playing with other animals.

  • Posted By: kb879 @ 07/30/2008 4:39:27 PM

    Dogs are social (pack) animals that "bond" and to have a dog go from stranger to stranger, day after day, week after week, year after year would be mental torture. They will feel rejected everytime they are returned to the handler. Every time they will wonder why no one loves them enough to keep them; wonder what they did wrong. Dogs are capable of such thought and anyone that doubts that doesn't know Dogs well enough to have a say in this matter. Eventually, I can see these lost souls having a vacant look in their eyes when handed over to a new stranger as they know that person too will, at the end of the day, reject them also. I applaud the legislators that see this flawed business (make no doubt it is a business) and are stopping it before it spreads. P.S. It would teach the next generation of kids that dogs should be considered disposable and it's that thinking (dump the unwanted animal) that keeps our shelters full currently.

  • Posted By: dinah999 @ 07/30/2008 4:36:24 PM

    I have not read through all the posts so maybe this has already been addressed. With all the extreme views on both sides of this issue, the facts of this kind of enterprise are getting ignored. Dogs - as an whole - wild and tame - are naturally pack animals. Their mental stability comes with knowing and accepting their place in the heirarchy. Pet dogs consider their human family as their "pack." If they are never given the opportunity to bond with a specific pack, they can become nervous, sketchy, defensive, or even aggressive. What happens to the adopt-a-dogs then? Or to the human child that gets bitten?

  • Posted By: azvoiceteacher @ 07/30/2008 4:34:21 PM

    I'm a dog trainer and kennel owner. What happens to these animals when they are no longer "useful"? How are they kept between visits to the renters? This is a terrible idea and I can't believe they are still in business. Borrow a dog from a friend if you want doggy time. Most people would love for people to come over and play with their dogs. This is very irresponsible!

  • Posted By: 666pawa @ 07/30/2008 4:32:56 PM

    Here in St. Louis, STRAY RESUE offers a 'rental' for a very small fee which is used for the shelter. For those of us who have to now work two jobs to make ends meet this is a perfect solution for not being able to have a dog full time. This process gives the dog the oportunity to become more social and more likely to be adopted. A lot of 'rental's' have found a forever home this way. Yes, I think a 'business' who's goal is profit should be regulated by the state just as our rescue services are.

  • Posted By: kylyn @ 07/30/2008 4:28:15 PM

    This is absolutely appauling! A dog or cat is not a car! I know many people seem to think that animals do not have emotions but they absolutely do and to toy with that is just wrong. If you ask me I think this is very selfish act on part of the person who would rent and the owners of this ridiculous company. For these poor animals to have companionship and then have it taken away is just horrible. For anyone that thinks this is a good thing, you must not be a true animal lover, in which case you shouldn't have a pet PERIOD!! To the owners of this company, you should be ashamed of yourself, surely there are better ways to make money, possibly try renting out your own children????!!!!!

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