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  • Posted By: mscarr1 @ 07/30/2008 3:42:55 PM

    So let me get this right - we can have kids in foster care and as part of Big Brothers/Big Sisters, but ANIMALS are emotionally hurt by a lack of long-term relationships.

    We have become a nation of mis-guided whack jobs who care more for animals than humans.

    • Posted By: JamieF @ 07/30/2008 4:26:55 PM

      Fostering is WAY WAY DIFFERENT THAN RENTING! LOOK IT UP! ARE YOU CRAZY. Some of us do care for animals AS MUCH AS PEOPLE because they are emotional beings, just like you and me. Thank goodness for the animal lovers!

    • Posted By: luna1972 @ 07/30/2008 4:03:29 PM

      mscarri,
      we do not want kids in foster care...the long term goal of the foster care system is to get children adopted and into permanent homes. Big brothers/Sisters is there to help those children who are in need of role models. In what sense do either of these programs relate to "renting" out pets? This is not questionof caring more for animals or humans...its about caring and having respect for all living things
      And yes animals do suffer from lack of stable, long term relationships...
      In regards to the horses there is legislation . animal protection laws, that dictate how long an animal can be "active" and how they should be cared for. Do your research....
      As for all the other issues you bring up....those are things that do need to be addressed, Thats why we as humans have the privelege of voting and speaking our minds. If you are so concerned about legislation in regards to all those pressing issues then get active and do your part to make a change....but don't expect it to be easy...because that legislation would be at a national level as opposed to state level where all this is taking place. Address the issue at hand and don't lump all of society's ails into your excuse for thinking animal welfare isn't important.

  • Posted By: cateyes0719 @ 07/30/2008 2:57:20 PM

    I'm curious .... to : kj76 & Yurfulla : do either of you have a dog(s)? or a child(ren)? If so, I would ask the age(s) of the child(ren) and how long you have had the dog? Message boards are nice for discussions, but both of you seem to be hell bent on showing massive amounts of aggression toward those who do not share your same views.

    • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 3:07:24 PM

      I have no aggression towards anyone personally, but I am agressive trying to convince you people to get your priorites in order. I don't hate animals or want to see anything bad to happen to them. But there is TOO MUCH human suffering in the world and TOO FEW resources for us to be spending any time worrying about animals (especially petty stuff, like how many different people walk them).

      I'll make a deal with all of you animal lovers: once every child on the planet is safely housed, fed, clothed, and has access to all their medical and educational needs, then I PROMISE to become the most vocal and fervent animal rights supporter I possibly can be. But until that day comes, we have much, much more important work to do.

      • Posted By: Shlabubu @ 07/30/2008 3:49:06 PM

        Humans are generally the cause of their own suffering. Unlike egocentric humans like kj76, I DO NOT believe humans are any more important, nor is their suffering any more poignant, nor do they deserve the use of resources any more than other species on this planet. And SHAME ON ANYBODY who thinks otherwise. Humans are so selfish, self-centered. Thinking their spawn are more "precious." These same spawn who grow up to commit murder, start wars, become terrorists, rapists, or just plain selfish wasters of "precious" resources, thoughtlessly allowing and committing cruelty against other species while they take everything for themselves and their offspring. Frankly, the human race seems to be doing not too much lately to make me proud to be a part of it. The day humans stop being selfish and destructive and show the same care and respect for all animals that they do for themselves, I PROMISE to become the most vocal and fervent supporter of human breeders and their offspring I can possibly be. But until that day comes, I have much, much more important work to do.

        • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 4:04:22 PM

          They accused me of hating animals, but I think it's pretty clear that you just hate people.

          It's funny, some of the angriest, misanthropic people I've met in my life have also been huge animal lovers. I wonder why that is.

          • Posted By: marland @ 07/30/2008 4:26:08 PM

            People who love animals and don't like people are the very same ones who most likely have had miserable experiences throughout their lives with the human species. The other big differences between people and animals (in case you missed it) is.......animals don't do the following: lie, cheat, steal, be greedy, destroy their environment in the name of progress, commit murder for the fun of it, rape, etc. etc. etc. All of these are human characteristics. And you wonder why so many people prefer their pets over people.

      • Posted By: cateyes0719 @ 07/30/2008 4:03:51 PM

        ok kj76, then if you are aggressively trying to get us to get our priorities in order ... how do you know we don't? Are you on another site arguing the same point regarding kids... if so, then why don't you invite all of us to help your cause. I have seen your messages on here that are hateful and hurtful telling people they don't need to have kids or they should be taken away from them.... now, I'm sorry... but that is very mean behavior for someone who says they have their priorities in order and they care more for kids than for animals. You have no clue what the ages of these people are on here & you should be campaigning for your cause, not beating down other people because you don't agree with their cause. You said in one of your comments that you would not want to see any harm to any animal.... then why don't you just leave the people alone that are trying to stop the harm. You know... when a cause like this can gather so many people, don't you think you would like that same group of people to back you with your cause? Maybe instead of beating them up about it and saying mean and hurtful things, you should just ask them to help you ..... I'm sure with your passion, you must have another site that you are this aggressive on for the children's behalf ? I would love the website address.... as I would love to help support your cause, too.

      • Posted By: me_too @ 07/30/2008 3:18:52 PM

        I agree with you, there is too much suffering in this world. So why should people profit on part of that suffering by renting out pets for (what I think) is a large amount of money to rich people who should have better things to do with that money, instead of spend it on their indulgence. A dog isn't an extravagant dinner, it's a living, breathing, intellegent creature. It's unfortunate when they end up in a kennel, but it's MORE sad that someone PAYS to take them out for a few days a month. Where is that money going? Not to charities. So apparently, we are on the same page. Renting a pet is ridiculous and frivolous.

        • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 3:32:47 PM

          Let's put this in perpective. I bet one of the homeless, starving children that I was talking about would be thrilled to get the treatment that these "rental dogs" get for a few hours by the rich people who rent them. Don't you think it's sad that there are dogs being treated better than kids?

  • Posted By: ladydog @ 07/30/2008 4:24:46 PM

    Flexpetz is a greatr option for many. It is ludicris that anyone would even involve lawmakers in this matter. Use your own heads and make your own decisions. get a life. VQ

  • Posted By: Cidney @ 07/30/2008 3:56:09 PM

    I didnt even read all of this stupid article because the concept behind Flexpetz is sick. Animals are not objects like a freaking car! Dogs have feelings and emotions, how healthy is it to subject a dog from one person to another all the time? this makes me want to kick the persons a## that thought of this stupid business idea!

    • Posted By: JamieF @ 07/30/2008 4:24:00 PM

      You said it Cidney, I can't believe people think that renting a pet is OK. If anyone has ever had a pet, they know that pets have EMOTIONS...REAL EMOTIONS. Anyone seen the video of the lion reunion???? How in the world would that happen if animals did not have REAL FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS?
      Would you "rent" out a child? I believe in FOSTERING......that is a way for a potential pet owner to try out a dog/cat...but RENTING???? There is a BIG difference! OH MY!

  • Posted By: ladydog @ 07/30/2008 4:22:07 PM

    Flexpetz is a greatr option for many. It is ludicris that anyone would even involve lawmakers in this matter. Use your own heads and make your own decisions. get a life. VQ

  • Posted By: cateyes0719 @ 07/30/2008 4:04:08 PM

    ok kj76, then if you are aggressively trying to get us to get our priorities in order ... how do you know we don't? Are you on another site arguing the same point regarding kids... if so, then why don't you invite all of us to help your cause. I have seen your messages on here that are hateful and hurtful telling people they don't need to have kids or they should be taken away from them.... now, I'm sorry... but that is very mean behavior for someone who says they have their priorities in order and they care more for kids than for animals. You have no clue what the ages of these people are on here & you should be campaigning for your cause, not beating down other people because you don't agree with their cause. You said in one of your comments that you would not want to see any harm to any animal.... then why don't you just leave the people alone that are trying to stop the harm. You know... when a cause like this can gather so many people, don't you think you would like that same group of people to back you with your cause? Maybe instead of beating them up about it and saying mean and hurtful things, you should just ask them to help you ..... I'm sure with your passion, you must have another site that you are this aggressive on for the children's behalf ? I would love the website address.... as I would love to help support your cause, too.

    • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 4:18:27 PM

      catseye, to answer your question, no, I do not do enough to help the people I'm talking about here. But that doesn't change the fact that I'm frustrated by this issue. I guess you can say I'm not anti-animal, but anti-animal rights, because animal rights take up limted recources that could be used to tackle more important issues. For example, this article talked about the govenment getting involved in the dog rental issue. Do you seriously not think that the government has much more serious issues they need to be dealing with?

  • Posted By: Adara @ 07/30/2008 4:17:52 PM

    I prefer my Dog's company over almost every Person I work with! :-)~

  • Posted By: tyedbylove @ 07/30/2008 4:15:17 PM

    Perhaps if more people went this route instead of rushing out and buying a dog before finding out just what a commitment it is we would have less pets taking the needle every day. I feel like shelters across America should adopt similar programs. Then perhaps it would turn off some of these people that just THINK that they want a pet. Also... if you could get more people into the shelter in the first place it might slow down our insistance nf breeding every mediocre mutt just because it has a set of papers or because wouldn't the puppies be soooooo cute!

  • Posted By: cheetahgrr13 @ 07/30/2008 4:14:23 PM

    OK let's be real people! "Renting" a pet is not CRUEL...how can taking an animal out for a few hours or a few days and loving them be cruel? The Flex pets provides the "renter" with toys and bowls and food and I would imagine that the fee they pay is in part for the care the animals receive in their permanent living space. I think there would be a LOT less animals who would need to be adopted out of shelters if people were able to take a dog on a trial run to see if they really truly are ready to devote their lives to all the demands having a dog has on one's life. No dog's are not property per se but renting them out is not mistreatment. It's no different from fostering an animal only to give it up to someone else or have it go back to the shelter from whence it came. And a person who volunteers in a shelter has to have a stomach for it, it's not all wet noses and cute things. These dogs are not being treated as throw-aways...If that was the case they'd be roaming the streets or tied up to a tree somewhere. Would you pay that much money a month to just have a "throw-away "disposable" pet..or anything for that matter?? I doubt it. Especially not in these hard times we're living in. Dog's don't have the same emotional capabilitles that we humans have. Yes they do know love, and pain but I highly doubt they're going to care where they spend one day, one hour or one month! Get real, though we may treat our pets like children, they are not our human babies!

  • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 2:00:48 PM

    Are you people blind to the REAL suffering that is going on in the world right now? The majority of the children on this planet are under-nourished. Most of them have no access to basic medical needs, let alone a decent education. How can you possibly get this upset about dogs having more than one person who wants to take care of them? I usually try to be diplomatic when posting on these boards, but seriously, what is WRONG with you people?

    • Posted By: moodyfayel @ 07/30/2008 2:08:00 PM

      kj76 - animal abuse is REAL suffering as well fool

      • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 2:11:26 PM

        But it does not come close to comparing to the suffering of human beings. If you think it does, then you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Anyone who can look and at all the human suffering in the world and then concern themselves with the plight of animals should be very ashamed and embarassed.

        • Posted By: moodyfayel @ 07/30/2008 2:25:39 PM

          kj76 - i'm capable of being concerned with both - are you - have you seen slaughter houses (check out a video) factory farms, puppy mills, dog fighting pits etc. Suffering is suffering. Pain is pain. No matter who experiences it.

          • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 2:34:55 PM

            No, a starving orphan who has no idea where the next meal is coming from is suffering...slaughter houses and factory farms are making the next meal.

            I don't want to see animals suffer needlessly, but I have my priorities in order. I would gladly torture 1,000 dogs to death if it meant easing the suffering of one human child. Let's maintain perspective here, people.

            • Posted By: marland @ 07/30/2008 3:15:36 PM

              Oh My God - You said you would "......gladly torture 1,000 dogs to death if it meant easing the suffering of one human child." Excuse me, but I find it quite hard to believe that you can be so "compassionate" for one species, yet so willing, so quickly, to destroy another. Being balanced in perspectives is fine, but you are also being "extreme" in your view which is not, therefore, "balanced". Why don't you just admit you hate animals and call it good??? I never had any kids because I didn't want any for numerous reasons plus I'm not crazy about them either. However, I would never be cruel to a child. Of course, now you're going to say that animals and people are not the same......whatever, but cruelty is cruelty.......no matter who experiences it.....or who doles it out.

              • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 3:28:05 PM

                Marland- are you saying you wouldn't do the same? If someone told you that you could save the life of a child by allowing 1,000 dogs to die, you wouldn't do it? If that's true, it's pretty twisted.

                • Posted By: marland @ 07/30/2008 4:12:56 PM

                  I just know you're presenting a hypothetical situation with this ridiculous scenario, so I'll play along. What would be the purpose in torturing and killing 1,000 dogs to save one child? Who would come up with such an idea other than yourself? There are always other options and solutions to problems. So, in answer to your question, no, I would not. I would find another way to save the child.

              • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 3:26:26 PM

                I say again, I do not hate animals. But I love human beings so much more that I would choose one of them over 1,000 animals.

                • Posted By: Shlabubu @ 07/30/2008 4:08:33 PM

                  Well, let me say it. I would NOT choose one human over 1000 animals, unless that human was someone I know and love personally. Otherwise, there is just no way one human life is worth 1000 of any other creature. You can rail and spew hatred all you want, but you will always and still be completely and totally WRONG, your moral viewpoint corrupt, in this matter. Just plain SICK AND WRONG.

                • Posted By: darwin88 @ 07/30/2008 3:35:01 PM

                  If you're really just mainly concerned with cruelty to humans, why are you spending so much time reading and commenting on this article? Children around the world are suffering as you foolishly type away. I see nothing behind your words but attempted shock value. That's one (of many) reasons why no one is taking you seriously on here. Go spend your time *actually* helping a child and leave the people who care about pets too alone.

                  • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 3:48:21 PM

                    You seem to have taken me serious enough read my posts and respond.

                    And that argument could be made for every person here, or any person who's ever discussed an issue on a message board.

                    • Posted By: darwin88 @ 07/30/2008 4:04:25 PM

                      Again, no real response from you. That's disappointing, but not surprising.

            • Posted By: Shlabubu @ 07/30/2008 4:05:32 PM

              You would "gladly" torture animals just "ease the suffering of ONE human child? " You are SICK. Here's a perspective for you: shame on you. Your perception is twisted. I would never 'GLADLY TORTURE" anything or anyone. Anyone who would, regardless of their reason for doing so, is a sick twisted creature - and you're breeding more like yourself? Scary.

        • Posted By: Shlabubu @ 07/30/2008 4:01:58 PM

          "But it does not come close to comparing to the suffering of human beings" SHAME ON YOU. Suffering IS suffering and it is due to the selfish, ignorant attitude of people like you that cause the horrible mistreatment, cruelty and abuse of animals to continue. You are truly an embarrassment to the human race and should be ashamed of yourself. You think animals can't feel pain, terror, suffering? You have a very sad, twisted view and a completed deluded understanding of your place in the world. At first you just seeme misguided, but your continued rantings border on idiocy.

  • Posted By: mama bear @ 07/30/2008 4:12:11 PM

    Ok I haven't had time to read ALL the comments, but here is an idea I have not come across. We all agree renting is not the same as owning, however it can give a perspective owner an idea of what it will be like to have a pet around. I am thinking this could be a good tool for perspective pet owners. Maybe if more people had "Rent-a Pooch" experience there would be LESS animals in the shelter today.

    I think saying the dogs are damaged by having too many different people taking care of them , is like saying children who have lots of friends or live with extended families are damaged because they have too many friends or family members.

    I don't think a dog that is 7 or older is "unmarketable". In fact , many people prefer older animals because they have passed that "puppy stage".

  • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 1:46:37 PM

    amiemlover, if you love your pets and children equally, then you are a horrible, horrible parent. I hope the authorities get your children away from you as soon as possible.

    • Posted By: marland @ 07/30/2008 2:32:08 PM

      kj76 - What is your problem?? I've read several of your posts and the only thing I can really glean from them is that you are truly an animal hater. Possibly an abuser yourself based on your attitude. The "problems" you mention in your posts about human suffering....well, get this - HUMANS CAUSE HUMAN SUFFERING, as well as the suffering of other creatures on this planet!! Maybe if people stopped breeding so much, there would be food aplenty for all the world's children. Also, if people weren't so freakin' greedy, there would be food for all these "children" too. So, just because you're miffed about world conditions, don't take it out on animals and people who care for them. Sorry, but in a lot of ways animals ARE BETTER than people because they are the only ones who truly "love" people unconditionally as well as don't have the rotten tendencies that most humans seem to have.

      • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 2:43:39 PM

        Based on your post I doubt I'll be able to talk any sense into you, but here goes nothing:

        1. No I am not an abuser (I don't own any animals). I don't want to see animals suffer needlessly, but I have my priorities in order.

        2. Why is "children" in quotaion marks? Do these underprivileged kids not count as real people to you? I know your perspective is all out of whack (humans and animals being at least close to equal), but does that mean that these poor kids don' t really count?

        3. Sorry to break it to you, but you dogs and other pets do not love you unconditionally. That's what psychologists call "projecting". You love these animals so much and are so despearate for them to love you back that your projecting your own feeling onto them, when in reality the are so nice to you because you are the provider of shelter and food.

        • Posted By: marland @ 07/30/2008 4:06:04 PM

          I'm quite sensible, thank you, so I don't need you to force your opinion of "sensibility" on me.

          1. I'm thankful that you don't have any animals because you don't need any. Just like I'm extremely thankful that I don't have any kids because I don't want any.

          2. The word children was in quotes for emphasis. Of course underprivileged kids count as real people but children are all that you talk about. What about underprivileged adults?? Are children more important than adults? Do hungry adults feel less pain from the "pangs of hunger" than children simply because they are adults?

          3. My perspective is not out of whack. I think your perspective is out of whack since you think it's okay to "torture" another living being. You didn't say just "shoot it (dog, cat, whatever)" to save a child, you said torture. YOU are one sick individual to even contemplate torturing something. You are aware that the government now investigates when an animal is tortured, and rightly so. Usually these types of indivuduals move on to torture humans.

          4. You're not breaking anything to me because I place little to no value in the opinion of most psychologists and psychiatrists. I'm also not desperate for anything, love, friendship, etc. I have plenty of family and friends to bestow love and companionship on. Depending on how old your kids are, I wonder how long they would be nice to you and love you if you stopped feeding them and/or started abusing them??

        • Posted By: Avidity @ 07/30/2008 3:01:21 PM

          And what's this about sense, I've been reading these postings?

          Your sense has to be everyone elses sense? Not everyone has the same reasoning and for different reasons....we should respect that.

          PS. You want to talk about suffering, there is too much in too many places. People and pets alike should never have to suffer....but we've been desensatized to human suffering somewhat because it is common knowledge and one somewhat of a greater scale....and it is not only children suffering, no, look at Darfur, look at Afghanistan, look at Hollocaust, PInochet, Russia, Bosnia-Serbians.....you name it....we've been there..

  • Posted By: okcdt @ 07/30/2008 4:05:28 PM

    If people are wanting to spend "some time" with an animal, tell them to volunteer at their local shelter...animals need a permanent home, not an overnight bag...

  • Posted By: tyedbylove @ 07/30/2008 4:01:11 PM

    Dear, God! I think that this is a wonderful idea! It takes dogs doomed to death and gives them a chance to be hung out with and spoiled in ways that most "permanant" dogs can never hope for. After all... I am pretty confident that these people that are renting these pets are not getting them on days where they have to work a 12 hour day. They get the dog when they have a day where they can devote tons of love and care. Peta, as always, cares nothing about these animals but is all too happy to jump on this stories coat-tails just to see their own name in print.
    Never forget people....
    petakillsanimals.com

  • Posted By: tyedbylove @ 07/30/2008 3:59:48 PM

    Dear, God! I think that this is a wonderful idea! It takes dogs doomed to death and gives them a chance to be hung out with and spoiled in ways that most "permanant" dogs can never hope for. After all... I am pretty confident that these people that are renting these pets are not getting them on days where they have to work a 12 hour day. They get the dog when they have a day where they can devote tons of love and care. Peta, as always, cares nothing about these animals but is all too happy to jump on this stories coat-tails just to see their own name in print.
    Never forget people....
    petakillsanimals.com

  • Posted By: SugarPlumFairy1 @ 07/30/2008 3:16:40 PM

    I think pet renting is rediculous. Who in the world would go out and rent a pet for a few hours and then return it. How inhumane! And...for the dumb person below who commented that once every child on the planet is safely housed, fed ect.... you obviously don't read the bible. God created every animal big and small. If you are that reckless to say something so stupid as to animal lovers for just being animal lovers than you need to check yourself into the mental hospital for not having a conscience. I hope your due Karma comes around a little sooner than expected. Love, man's best friend, Lassie:)

    • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 3:59:28 PM

      Sugar- I'm trying to be repectful as possible with my replies, but your post here makes it tough...I'll plead the 5th on this one.

  • Posted By: shoegirl21 @ 07/30/2008 3:13:58 PM

    It amazes me that we can do this to our most precious asset, our children, but doing it to animals is apparently horrendous. Our nation's agencies shuttle children through multiple foster homes and no one raises a voice. Focus on the future----our children!

    • Posted By: SugarPlumFairy1 @ 07/30/2008 3:25:10 PM

      this article is not about children. Let me guess you don't have a pet? If you do...it would be better off with someone else.

      • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 3:37:15 PM

        Sugar Plum: Let me guess you don't have a child? If you do it would be better off with someone else.

        • Posted By: shoegirl21 @ 07/30/2008 3:58:29 PM

          Thanks for using common sense kj76-----I do have a pet by the way!

      • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 3:35:48 PM

        No, the article is not about children, but I think her point is that it's screwed up that some people care more about (or even as much) how dogs are treated than how kids are. The fact that this is even an issue is disturbing.

  • Posted By: catlady7 @ 07/30/2008 3:57:06 PM

    Pets are not "throw aways" or just meant to be "used". They are put here for us to love and to be responsible for - they love unconditionally. Why not "rent a kid" - at least that way peopkle could see they can't take care of them either. And I'm sure there are a lot of people who would like to loan out, or sell, their kids. Too ba d the animals can't take back the earth - as humans, we've certainly screwed everything up.

    Catlady

  • Posted By: KingAdrock99 @ 07/30/2008 3:22:54 PM

    The volunteering at the shelter is exactly the same thing as renting the dog, except you're doing it from home. Why do people think that's so much better?

    • Posted By: me_too @ 07/30/2008 3:28:55 PM

      Unless your house is the shelter, how would you be home? You also don't spend $100 a month to volunteer, and another $45 to walk the dogs there. People who rent a pet have a lot of money to blow, and they want to spend it on the cute dog, not with the icky shelter dog. that's how it is different.

      • Posted By: kariegirl @ 07/30/2008 3:56:34 PM

        So let them! At least something good is coming from their $...one less dog in the world is homeless and without food!

      • Posted By: KingAdrock99 @ 07/30/2008 3:33:29 PM

        Not all dogs at the shelter are scraggly mutts. And these dogs at the company came from the shelter so they're the same dogs.

    • Posted By: K-Vigil @ 07/30/2008 3:30:58 PM

      I agree with you. I think it is about the money. Yet we PAY people to watch our kids or dogs. And it seems that they spend more time researching the rentees then other people research their kid's teachers or day care workers.

  • Posted By: icare2much @ 07/30/2008 2:25:14 PM

    A pet has emotional needs like a child. The people who rent these dogs out are either out of touch with reality or all they see is money with four legs. Who knows what the peoplewho rent these dogs do to them when they have them for a few hours. Feed them table scraps, kick them because they peed on the carpet, teach them bad behavior and in a couple of years the dog is going to be labeled as a "trouble dog" and then get put down. This is a bad deal for everyone involved!

    • Posted By: kj76 @ 07/30/2008 2:30:42 PM

      No, No, NO! A pet DOES NOT have the same emotional needs as a child. If you serious believe that, please do not ever have children, because you will make a lousy parent. If you believe that and already have children, please take those children to the proper authorites and let them know that you are an unfit parent, and someone else needs to raise them. (That way, everyone's happy- the kids get parents who love them properly, and you get to spend more time with your pets!)

      • Posted By: Yurfulla @ 07/30/2008 2:34:15 PM

        kj76 is absolutely right! There is a MASSIVE difference between the needs of a pet and the needs of a child. My pet (a dog) lives outside in the backyard. My child lives in the house, goes to school, eats at the dinner table, etc. I guess icare2much's children don't?

        • Posted By: Shlabubu @ 07/30/2008 3:56:21 PM

          Anyone who leaves their dog outside in the backyard doesn't deserve to have one. No doubt these people are the same kind of parents who let their selfish, screaming brats run amok because "they're just being kids." And think that because they have reproduced, they and their offspring are somehow special. NOT. There is a massive difference though - human children will cause much more damage, destroy more lives and resources and cause more problems throughout their lives than a dog ever would or could. Different? You bet. Superior? I don't think so.

          BTW - other animals ARE sentient. If you were the least bit concerned with anything other than yourself and your spawn, you'd know, for example, that recent studies show that elephants and whales, just to name two, have been proven to be sentient. More than most human teenagers, no doubt.

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